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Do these survey findings about Muslim Youth in the UK by the Muslim Council of Britain shock you?

You’d probably want some more information before deriving conclusions.

The questions that were asked and the manner it was. The selection process, any statistical analysis etc....
 
miandadrules said:
You’d probably want some more information before deriving conclusions.

The questions that were asked and the manner it was. The selection process, any statistical analysis etc....
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The MCB site has a lot of information on it - but do these strike you as believable?
 
MenInG said:
The MCB site has a lot of information on it - but do these strike you as believable?
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No, these don't surprise me at all. Although I live in America, I know these are pretty normal in the Muslim youth.
 
MenInG said:
The MCB site has a lot of information on it - but do these strike you as believable?
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Yes and no.

Firstly, you have take in to consideration the motives of MCB, and what they’re are hoping to achieve. They have recently been pushing the narrative that more and more are leaving the faith, which is true.

A lot of the things mentioned are not mutually exclusive. High risk behaviour is more common in low socioeconomic areas, hence crime and drug use. They are not necessarily the cause but more a consequence.

Mental health also is linked in some cases to high risk behaviour. Mental health is seen as a major stigma in our culture, something that should be hidden. Hence, individuals who could have had early intervention and have fruitful and productive life are shunned and shamed.

Divorce rates would need greater analysis. What type of marriage, how long, what they attribute the breakup to?

Premarital sex and body image are in line with the wider population.

Prison population requires more info. Many Muslims in the UK still live in deprived areas, so crime rates are high but there is also high rates of conversion in prison. Reoffending rates would be a better reflection.

Double life is probably true for most Muslims to some degree.

You’d have to define what living the life at uni really means.
 
The prison population figure is surprising (and higher again in London) but many of these offenders will be recent immigrants.
 
No there is nothing surprising about them.Sadly a large amount of Muslim's are hypocrites especially when outdoors. Our difference with other communities is giving the impression we are so very religious when these statics prove otherwise. When parents are overtly strict not allowing any freedom then kids will satisfy their curiosity elsewhere. Even if their kids are clubbing most parents would still rather know that then be kept in the dark.
 
Surprised about the divorce rate. 62% unmarried or divorced is too much for people who put a lot of emphasis on family and culture.

Not surprised about sexual relations stuff. Every community does it especially when unmarried and divorcees are in high numbers.

Worrying part is the 10% of population with mental health condition. Huge burden on family financially and mentally.
 
troodon said:
Surprised about the divorce rate. 62% unmarried or divorced is too much for people who put a lot of emphasis on family and culture.
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Well the survey was about people between 22 to 33, a lot of people under 27 are unmarried anyways so the survey was kind of disingenuous.

Not surprised about sexual relations stuff. Every community does it especially when unmarried and divorcees are in high numbers.

Worrying part is the 10% of population with mental health condition. Huge burden on family financially and mentally.
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10% is actually below average, in England 1 in 6 people are mentally ill and that's perfectly normal statistic for most countries.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-41125009

There's an increasing awareness about mental health in this generation so 10% is not all that surprising - mental illness includes depression, anxiety and ADD among other ailments so 10% would be way below the national average.

The UK has the NHS, so the mentally ill are not a "burden on their families". Also that's very outdated thinking, the whole "burden" thing is more of an older Asian cultural thing.
 
Pakistanian said:
Well the survey was about people between 22 to 33, a lot of people under 27 are unmarried anyways so the survey was kind of disingenuous.



10% is actually below average, is the in England 1 in 6 people are mentally ill and that's perfectly normal statistic for most countries.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-41125009

There's an increasing awareness about mental health in this generation so 10% is not all that surprising - mental illness includes depression, anxiety and ADD among other ailments so 10% would be way below the national average.

The UK has the NHS, so the mentally ill are not a "burden on their families". Also that's very outdated thinking, the whole "burden" thing is more of an older Asian cultural thing.
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When it said mental health condition, I wasn’t just thinking about anxiety or depression which are quite common in every society. I was thinking more in the lines of cousin marriages side effects.
 
troodon said:
When it said mental health condition, I wasn’t just thinking about anxiety or depression which are quite common in every society. I was thinking more in the lines of cousin marriages side effects.
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The survey didn't mention any link between cousin marriages and mental illness nor did it specify what kind of mental illness the participants had but the most common ones in Muslim communities happen to be anxiety and depression.
 
Thomaskutty said:
'78% teens living a double life' - what does that mean?
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It means Muslim teens have difficulty in trying to balance two different outlooks at home and outside. Islamic lifestyle is usually geared towards family and social structure, western lifestyle is geared towards the individual and personal choice. These are broad generalisations of course, but obviously you can see the ramifications in the study.
 
What is there to be shocked about?

Muslim youth born in the West has a lot of reservations about the concept of religion. Often their parents can't cope with the questions asked either because of a lack of knowledge or because they want to blend in with worldly concepts of a normal life.

The less said about the "ulema" in the West, the better.
 
barah_admi said:
Where is this taken from? I do not find it on their website.

I did find this - https://mcb.org.uk/resources/muslim-statistics-briefings/

One of the briefings is quite positive about education, also important to remember that the UK Department of education in 2013 found a higher percentage of Muslim young people in university than Christian or atheist.
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That statistic about no qualificaitons in the OP is very misleading. It refers to the Muslim population as a whole across all ages, not just the young. It's from the 2011 census.
 
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barah_admi said:
Where is this taken from? I do not find it on their website.

I did find this - https://mcb.org.uk/resources/muslim-statistics-briefings/

One of the briefings is quite positive about education, also important to remember that the UK Department of education in 2013 found a higher percentage of Muslim young people in university than Christian or atheist.

In terms of the rate of people leaving Islam, where has that come from?
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I looked for it too on but no luck hence why I asked as I want to share it with someone
 
Salma_T said:
I looked for it too on but no luck hence why I asked as I want to share it with someone
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The slide has a reference to MCB survey in 2018 at bottom right and was shared in a presentation.
 
TSA321 said:
That statistic about no qualificaitons in the OP is very misleading. It refers to the Muslim population as a whole across all ages, not just the young. It's from the 2011 census.
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Salma_T said:
I looked for it too on but no luck hence why I asked as I want to share it with someone
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MenInG said:
The slide has a reference to MCB survey in 2018 at bottom right and was shared in a presentation.
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A presentation isn't really a source....
 
MenInG said:
Afraid that's all I can tell you for source - whether we believe it or not is up to you.

The basis is on the 2011 census
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I understand that but if we look at the the MCB's own website some of these stats are not available, those that are have disclaimers and explanations. On top of that, any census data that contains supposed information on people "leaving Islam" needs to be verified. Where has it come form? How was it obtained? What are the methods? And can it be backed up by solid evidence?

WIthout knowing all of this, the thread should not even have been made. I am sure you can appreciate the problem with you having posted it?
 
Dismissed and detained: British Muslims face mental health issues

"I thought I was having a heart attack. I didn't know what was wrong with me." Jamilla Hekmoun, a 26-year-old British Libyan, was in the Jordanian capital, Amman, when she suffered her worst panic attack.

“I remember the moment I went to hospital and my heart was racing.” A second-year university student living thousands of miles away from her friends and family, she says she felt “anxious and alone”.

That was in 2013. She was eventually diagnosed with anxiety and depression around two years later. She is now the founder of Mental Health for Muslims, an online space dedicated to promoting mental wellbeing among British Muslims and the lead author on a recent report that found more than half of young British Muslims have suffered poor mental health, and around a third have had suicidal thoughts.

The report was based on a survey conducted by the UK charity, Muslim Youth Helpline. It revealed that 32 percent of young British Muslims have suffered suicidal thoughts at some point; 52 percent have suffered from depression; and 63 percent have struggled with anxiety. By contrast, only 16 percent of people in the nation as a whole report experiencing a "common mental disorder" such as depression or anxiety in any given week.

There is some evidence that rates of depression are higher in the British Muslim community than the general population and that Muslims are less likely to seek treatment, but definitive statistics are hard to come by as National Health Service (NHS) data does not include information about religious groups.

It does, however, have some information about the 15 percent of the population who are from black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds. At the time of the 2011 census, nearly 75 percent of Muslims in Britain were from an Asian ethnic background, with smaller percentages of Black African, Arab and white British Muslims. The latest NHS figures show that adults from black, Asian and minority ethnic communities are less likely to seek and receive treatment for mental health disorders.

More than 1,000 British Muslims, aged between 16 and 30, completed the survey. The majority reported having a negative experience with health care providers.

More at https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/f...ace-mental-health-issues-200225044954140.html
 
Abdullah719 said:
Dismissed and detained: British Muslims face mental health issues

"I thought I was having a heart attack. I didn't know what was wrong with me." Jamilla Hekmoun, a 26-year-old British Libyan, was in the Jordanian capital, Amman, when she suffered her worst panic attack.

“I remember the moment I went to hospital and my heart was racing.” A second-year university student living thousands of miles away from her friends and family, she says she felt “anxious and alone”.

That was in 2013. She was eventually diagnosed with anxiety and depression around two years later. She is now the founder of Mental Health for Muslims, an online space dedicated to promoting mental wellbeing among British Muslims and the lead author on a recent report that found more than half of young British Muslims have suffered poor mental health, and around a third have had suicidal thoughts.

The report was based on a survey conducted by the UK charity, Muslim Youth Helpline. It revealed that 32 percent of young British Muslims have suffered suicidal thoughts at some point; 52 percent have suffered from depression; and 63 percent have struggled with anxiety. By contrast, only 16 percent of people in the nation as a whole report experiencing a "common mental disorder" such as depression or anxiety in any given week.

There is some evidence that rates of depression are higher in the British Muslim community than the general population and that Muslims are less likely to seek treatment, but definitive statistics are hard to come by as National Health Service (NHS) data does not include information about religious groups.

It does, however, have some information about the 15 percent of the population who are from black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds. At the time of the 2011 census, nearly 75 percent of Muslims in Britain were from an Asian ethnic background, with smaller percentages of Black African, Arab and white British Muslims. The latest NHS figures show that adults from black, Asian and minority ethnic communities are less likely to seek and receive treatment for mental health disorders.

More than 1,000 British Muslims, aged between 16 and 30, completed the survey. The majority reported having a negative experience with health care providers.

More at https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/f...ace-mental-health-issues-200225044954140.html
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We need to shake the stigma of mental health within the Pakistani community.
 
I think this is an issue with many different groups. Not just Muslims.

World has become so fast-paced and toxic that any normal person can develop mental illness or go astray.
 
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sweep_shot said:
I think this is an issue with many different groups. Not just Muslims.

World has become so fast-paced and toxic that any normal person can develop mental illness or go astray.
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But if you are Muslim in a country which is increasingly hostile, then it creates a few extra pressures. Not only from the outside, but also at home where many Muslim parents will go on the defensive and try to make their family to conform all the more in an effort to preserve the religion in their house.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
But if you are Muslim in a country which is increasingly hostile, then it creates a few extra pressures. Not only from the outside, but also at home where many Muslim parents will go on the defensive and try to make their family to conform all the more in an effort to preserve the religion in their house.
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Yes. There are pressures from everywhere. Some youths probably get confused and end up doing all sorts of bad things.

It also has something to do with upbringing. If you are from a family with good values, you are less likely to do bad things. If your family is dysfunctional, you are more likely to go astray. There are many factors involved.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
What is there to be shocked about?

Muslim youth born in the West has a lot of reservations about the concept of religion. Often their parents can't cope with the questions asked either because of a lack of knowledge or because they want to blend in with worldly concepts of a normal life.

The less said about the "ulema" in the West, the better.
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The thing is
In the west if one wants to actually learn about islam it could be seen as slightly easier than in places like Pakistan.
In Pakistan they dont even teach proper islam - each molvi teaches their own twisted versions.
In the west most people knowledgable on Islam are free of that type of bias and we get amazing guidance from people like Nouman Ali Khan, Mufti Menk etc.
 
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