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Given how flat and dry pitches are in UAE and there is absolutely no assistance for fast bowlers in these conditions, do the tons of runs Younis or any Pakistan batsmen scored in UAE in last 10 years really count much?

We saw how Younis was struggling due to technical deficit when he started touring outside Asia in England, New Zealand or even in Australia.

On same UAE pitches, Cook, AB, Amla, Williamson have got tons of runs and even Warner did well there.

What does it make of runs Younis Khan, Misbah-ul-haq or Azhar Ali got on dead UAE wickets with absolutely no life for fast bowlers?
 
yes..do aussie and english fast bowler wickets at their home count? do Kumbles spin wickets count on rank turners?? stupid thread..
 
UAE pitches start to assist the spinners during the 4th and 5th day. Anyway, it is the ability to adapt to the pace of the wicket and play accordingly is also important in UAE. Many batsmen have struggled to adjust to the pace and score heavily.

Also, Younis Khan played a fair bit of his cricket in Pakistan so when the Pakistan team's "home venue" became the UAE, he scored heavily in what were foreign conditions for him.
 
Well.

Do you think in cricket the only bowling that exists is fast bowling? Why do you think batsmen from outside Asia fail in the subcontinent?

There's something known as spin bowling.

And it's ridiculously hard to play for cricketers from Australia, England, South Africa. Except the batting greats.

Younis and Misbah batted exceptionally well against spinners, even on rank turners.

Similarly, batsmen from Asia struggle on green mamba pitches.


Younis and Misbah deserve recognition for being spin greats in Tests.
 
Only on PP will you find this sort of meaningless micro analysis.

Each and every test run/wicket is hard earned. Regardless of where the cricket is being played. They all count.
 
Of course they count, test runs everywhere count because of different conditions. That is the beauty of cricket, different challenges for batsmen and bowlers in different venues. In Australia steep bounce is a challenge while it is swing in England. In UAE the slow low turning conditions, reverse swing, two paced pitches where stroke play is difficult present some interesting challenges, and don't forget the extreme weather conditions that test the fitness of batsmen.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Of course they count, test runs everywhere count because of different conditions. That is the beauty of cricket, different challenges for batsmen and bowlers in different venues. In Australia steep bounce is a challenge while it is swing in England. In UAE the slow low turning conditions, reverse swing, two paced pitches where stroke play is difficult present some interesting challenges, and don't forget the extreme weather conditions that test the fitness of batsmen.
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Well said.

Misbah and Younis are greats for the subcontinent conditions. Where batsmen from Aus/Eng/SA mostly fail.

Now, because of this, they cannot be called true batting greats. Because they were not equally good throughout the world, in all the bowling/pitch conditions.

Those are some very rare types - Ponting, Lara, SRT, Kohli.

(And please, don't quote how much YK averages in England/Aus. Those were very easy batting conditions when he scored.)
 
Runs in UAE don't count as the pitches are bad.

Runs in Aus don't count as pitches are flat.

Wicktes taken(by spinners )in India don't count, as pitches support spin

Runs against Zim, SL, BAN, WIN don't count as they're minnows.

Wickets taken(by pacers) in Eng don't count, as they support seamers.
 
Kohli said:
Runs in UAE don't count as the pitches are bad.

Runs in Aus don't count as pitches are flat.

Wicktes taken(by spinners )in India don't count, as pitches support spin

Runs against Zim, SL, BAN, WIN don't count as they're minnows.

Wickets taken(by pacers) in Eng don't count, as they support seamers.
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Exactly, why do we even bother with the game then? Pointless thread.
 
Just a sarcasm thread; similar threads were created whenever Indian's scored heavily vs SL, WI at home !
 
Every single runs in international cricket count.

Younis along with Sangakkara, Kallis, Jayawardene and Misbah were the greatest players of spin of that generation.

He also has a case of being one of the best players of spin ever alongside Dravid, Tendulkar, Miandad, Lara and others.
 
It's the same UAE where we have been beaten by WI, whitewashed by Sri Lanka and bowled out for less than 100 inside the first session of a Test match. So to suggest that all UAE pitches are complete roads and scoring runs here is always a cakewalk is simply wrong.
 
Red Devil said:
It's the same UAE where we have been beaten by WI, whitewashed by Sri Lanka and bowled out for less than 100 inside the first session of a Test match. So to suggest that all UAE pitches are complete roads and scoring runs here is always a cakewalk is simply wrong.
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I came here to post this but my chhotu has already said it.

Runs everywhere count. Of course you have to have a good mix as a player. It’s not like Yoni the overseas batsmen went missing everywhere. He was always one of Pakistan’s best batsmen wherever they went.

He is a great player just not one of the greatest which is where some people over do it. His haters fall in the same category. He wasn’t that bad.
 
The hate for Younis Khan is really amazing.

But this thread does take the cake.
 
MenInG said:
The hate for Younis Khan is really amazing.

But this thread does take the cake.
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Younis is one of Pakistan's most respected cricketers in India. I am sure on average more Indians regard him than even Pakistanis like with Wasim Akram as well.

Online forums are not at all the right measure of public perception. While many Indians are forced to put Younis down when he is unnecessarily hyped up to certain players' level, they are overall not aware of many non cricketing reasons for which he remains unpopular in Pakistan. General Indians just see an honest trier and one of Pakistan's sane minded and dependable cricketers of the last 2 decades in Younis, a friend on and off the field and thats all matters to them.

Same goes with Wasim. Despite all he did for Pakistan, Pakistanis still keep grudges. Indians don't because they are not Indian issues. They just see him as somebody with bucket loads of wickets being a master of swing and a great ambassador of the game. Enough for them to respect him.

When it comes to cricket, Indians are very fair people. Pakistani cricketers just need to be friendly to win hearts in India. They don't need to have perfect statistics.
 
If you are a quality cricketer and have been a great servant for your country, you will be respected in India no matter if you are from Pakistan or some other country.

However, unfortunately it isn't the case in Pakistan. The hate which Sachin has got has been just unacceptable IMO. Compare it with the love which Wasim gets in India.
 
Can a PP OG explain to me why khan gets so much hate?

He was a simple man who scored his runs and minded his own businesses.

Ofc his runs counted what a silly thread.
 
Ab Fan said:
If you are a quality cricketer and have been a great servant for your country, you will be respected in India no matter if you are from Pakistan or some other country.

However, unfortunately it isn't the case in Pakistan. The hate which Sachin has got has been just unacceptable IMO. Compare it with the love which Wasim gets in India.
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Agree with this. Indian players achivemeants are always played down . Think it's an ego issue.
 
They count but I think everyone is reading too much into this - like in a literal sense. I think what OP is trying to convey is are runs in UAE less valuable to runs scored elsewhere?

To answer that question yes they are because these are the flattest and slowest wickets in the history of the game. Yes you don't always get full value for your shots due to the slowness of the pitches and large grounds in Dubai and Abu Dhabi, however if you don't throw your wicket away it is very hard to for the opposition to find a way through your defence because it is just a graveyard for bowlers.
 
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Ab Fan said:
If you are a quality cricketer and have been a great servant for your country, you will be respected in India no matter if you are from Pakistan or some other country.

However, unfortunately it isn't the case in Pakistan. The hate which Sachin has got has been just unacceptable IMO. Compare it with the love which Wasim gets in India.
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Agree 100%, same as my views.

On topic, every single test run or wicket counts, end of debate !
 
Absurd thread, obviously it counts. Any runs scored in Test cricket is tough and needs to be respected.
 
He is a legend and has scored everywhere, his track record on 4th and 5th day pitch is remarkable, it counts and counts well, close the thread.
 
Now coming back to this thread..


DRsohail said:
He is a legend and has scored everywhere, his track record on 4th and 5th day pitch is remarkable, it counts and counts well, close the thread.
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It's comments like these which prompt people to question Younis Khan.

Yes, he had excellent spin playing ability. But that's it.

Calling him a legend is questionable, but yes you can make that claim if you say "legend in Pakistan".


He is not a batting great. Arguably a Pak great, but behind the likes of Inzi, Miandad, etc.

A very one dimensional batsman who was hopping against pace bowlers. Yes he has some runs overseas too, but only in easy conditions.

I think OP was referring to this fact, which is true.
 
No, absolutely not....Runs in UAE and Zimbabwe should not count towards a batsman's tally
 
AFA the question posed in the thread is concerned... of course the runs count. They are test runs after all.
 
Ab Fan said:
If you are a quality cricketer and have been a great servant for your country, you will be respected in India no matter if you are from Pakistan or some other country.

However, unfortunately it isn't the case in Pakistan. The hate which Sachin has got has been just unacceptable IMO. Compare it with the love which Wasim gets in India.
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Rubbish. Indians infact made a movie in which a villian was named "Javed Miandad" who was humiliated in the movie, this happened in 80's.
Wasim getting love in india is no big deal, considering the work that Wasim did in india.
 
ali2220 said:
Rubbish. Indians infact made a movie in which a villian was named "Javed Miandad" who was humiliated in the movie, this happened in 80's.
Wasim getting love in india is no big deal, considering the work that Wasim did in india.
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I don't remember any such movie , Do you know the name of the movie ?
 
jeetu said:
I don't remember any such movie , Do you know the name of the movie ?
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Do research yourself, this happened after Sharjah of 86.I know for a fact that there was lot of hatred for a few Pak cricketers in india, whoever claiming that they are all well respected and is the other way around in Pak is a liar.
 
ali2220 said:
Do research yourself, this happened after Sharjah of 86.I know for a fact that there was lot of hatred for a few Pak cricketers in india, whoever claiming that they are all well respected and is the other way around in Pak is a liar.
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Most Pakistan players are well respected in India, Javed Miandad less so. But that has nothing to do with cricket. Its because of his family ties to Dawood's.
Regarding your claim of movie , it look like that's a urban legend in Pakistan that you bought.
 
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