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Does Azhar Ali have better batting technique than Asad Shafiq in Tests?

Hussain Ayaz

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Azhar Ali has played 38 Test Matches with an Average of 41 in Batting. He has also scored 7 centuries. One excellent example of his technique is Test match against England, which was played in Leeds. Azhar Scored 51 runs in that match in very crucial situation.

On the Other hand Asad Shafiq has played 32 Test Matches with an Average of 38 in batting. He has scored 4 centuries.

Although, both players have a decent Batting technique, But I think Azhar Ali has much Solid defence than Asad Shafiq. Also Azhar Ali is mostly consistent in his batting.
 
Asad Shafiq is better batsman than Azhar Ali. He will prove it once he get chance to bat at No. 4 or 5.

Azhar is also doing fine job at No. 3. Both will carry our batting line up when Younus Khan and Misbah ul Haq retires.
 
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No, shafiq has a better technique. Sometimes he gets impatient and starts pokin outside off.
 
Shafiq has all the tools to be Pakistan's best batsman. Better than Azhar but the latter has wonderful concentration levels and discipline.
 
Shafiq has all the tools to be Pakistan's best batsman. Better than Azhar but the latter has wonderful concentration levels and discipline.

Shafiq is marginally Flamboyant that Azhar when it comes to scoring runs and hence I believe he at some point in time looses the plot. The style of play for both however are totally different as one is a grinder and the other is a stroke maker. On terms of pure talent Shafiq edges Azhar but technique wise I see them as equals. Although when you look at them Asad seems more compact than Azhar at the crease.
 
Shafiq pokes more outside the off stump but otherwise far superior. The only thing azhar has going for him is remarkable discipline, he still however has serious issues against spin and even guy averaging 50 like Sodhi is making azhar his bunny. He isn't a number 3 and I hope this is eventually realized. He has opened most of his career and only plays at 3 for SNGPL becuase they had Taufeeq and professor
 
Azhar Ali's technique is much better against the new ball. Shafiq plays across his front pad a lot and gets LBW! Moreover, countless number of times, I've seen Shafiq get out as soon as the second new ball is taken, how many times has he edged behind. Its easy to say Shafiq looks easy at the crease but you got to take into account the fact that when Shafiq bats, the ball is almost always past the 40 over mark!
 
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Just different.

Azhar Ali has great new ball technique, and could bat anywhere in the top three.

Asad Shafiq is a great player against the old ball but in spite of his past is technically suspect against the moving newer ball. He should never, ever be picked to bat above number 5 in the order. But he's a terrific number 5 or 6, better than Azhar Ali would be because he is more fluent at scoring against the old ball.
 
Shafiq is marginally Flamboyant that Azhar when it comes to scoring runs and hence I believe he at some point in time looses the plot. The style of play for both however are totally different as one is a grinder and the other is a stroke maker. On terms of pure talent Shafiq edges Azhar but technique wise I see them as equals. Although when you look at them Asad seems more compact than Azhar at the crease.

Yep. I think if Shafiq gets his head right, he can be a real asset at number 3 in both Tests and ODIs. He's definitely a flamboyant stroke maker and you could see that in his debut series in England 2010 in ODIs.

Its just that in the last few years, he went into a shell under Misbah and started playing like a mini version of him and Azhar.

Good to see him turn a corner of late and I see a genuine effort to improve the SR but he needs to cut down on the concentration lapses.

Overall he's coming along nicely and not much to complain about.
 
Asad is someone who may have a decent technique but his ceiling isn't high. Will remain as a 35 to 39 averaging player, nothing more. It has to do with his inconsistency and mental aspect, where he's poor.

Azhar can end up averaging in the 40s and is more reliable.
 
both are not good enough to continue the tradition of Pakistan being the best Asian team in producing 50+ average test batsmen.

If Pakistan want to continue to dominate Asia in producing best test bastmen then have to look at other players.
 
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Shafiq has all the tools to be Pakistan's best batsman. Better than Azhar but the latter has wonderful concentration levels and discipline.

He may have the 'tools' but he's not the one who will end up averaging even in the 40s.

Will always be inconsistent and mentally fragile and as a result his average will remain in the 35-40 average range.

Won't succeed in the ODIs at all like he has proven in the good number of games he has played.
 
Azhar is better when it comes to play fast bowlers but shafiq plays spinner better. Shafiq sometimes tries too hard.
 
Both are equally good against pace technically but Asad is more fluent offensively. Asad much better against spin. Azhar has great temperament and very disciplined in his approach but doesn't have another gear.
 
both are not good enough to continue the tradition of Pakistan being the best Asian team in producing 50+ average test batsmen.

If Pakistan want to continue to dominate Asia in producing best test bastmen then have to look at other players.

I agree with you.

Azhar can make it as an opener, but just like you mention, none of these two will get anywhere near the 50 average mark, hence they are not good enough and we should look for alternatives, but the management will stick with them, like they have done previously.

Also, one is 29 and the other is 28.
 
I agree with you.

Azhar can make it as an opener, but just like you mention, none of these two will get anywhere near the 50 average mark, hence they are not good enough and we should look for alternatives, but the management will stick with them, like they have done previously.

Also, one is 29 and the other is 28.

None of the pakistani batsmen are even good enough to average 45 .. let alone 50. Misbah is the last one.
 
Azhar Ali is clueless against spin while Shafiq is a fantastic player of spin! On the other hand Shafiq isnt a good player of fast bowling compared to Azhar! But for me overall Shafiq is technically the better one!
 
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Very very difficult for an opener to average 50 in Tests. Shehzad will do extremely well to maintain an average of around 40 in the long run.
 
Indeed, it is very difficult for him to maintain that average, but it proves how rubbish both Azhar and Shafiq have been.

A batsman like Haris or Fawad would have easily been touching the 50 mark by now.
 
Indeed, it is very difficult for him to maintain that average, but it proves how rubbish both Azhar and Shafiq have been.

A batsman like Haris or Fawad would have easily been touching the 50 mark by now.

This !
Azhar and shafiq are average batsmen at best.
 
Azhar Ali is clueless against spin while Shafiq is a fantastic player of spin! On the other hand Shafiq isnt a good player of fast bowling compared to Azhar! But for me overall Shafiq is technically the better one!

How??

Two tons against the best pace attack of the world out of which one was in SA. Shafiq is a better player of pace bowling than most in the team. Only Umar and Shehzad are better.
 
its only the start and many players start with a boom , I hope they continue on with this.

Start for Shezhad or both Azhar and shafiq?

If this is just the start for both azhar and shafiq, then they have shown themselves to be incompetent.
 
Let's not get too far, Asad Shafiq is not a LOI player but a decent test batman who can perhaps change his gear. I have never seen a batsman play at the same gear after 200 balls, Azhar Ali is not a number 3.

A batsman, especially a no.3 batsman, should have been playing from a young age as a pure batsman learning how to play strokes, pick the gaps, judge the match situation etc. Azhar Ali unfortunately has been a leg spinner his whole life until his 20s!! He wasn't great at it and then decided to play as a batsman and that is not how it works. It is no different to me starting to practice batting now and then playing for Pakistan if I learn how to block.
 
Let's not get too far, Asad Shafiq is not a LOI player but a decent test batman who can perhaps change his gear. I have never seen a batsman play at the same gear after 200 balls, Azhar Ali is not a number 3.

A batsman, especially a no.3 batsman, should have been playing from a young age as a pure batsman learning how to play strokes, pick the gaps, judge the match situation etc. Azhar Ali unfortunately has been a leg spinner his whole life until his 20s!! He wasn't great at it and then decided to play as a batsman and that is not how it works. It is no different to me starting to practice batting now and then playing for Pakistan if I learn how to block.

Yep, Azhar is not a #3. He'd be better off as an opener with Asad at 3 but as long as Misbah is captain, don't expect any changes.
 
Both have their technical issues but temperament wise Azhar is strong however in terms pacing the innings Asad is better
 
Fawad and Haris can, whilst Shezhad is already averaging 47 and that too as an opener.

Haris can. Fawad I am not so sure.

If Shehzad can even average around 45 I would extremely happy. It very difficult to average 50 for an opener.
 
Haris can. Fawad I am not so sure.

If Shehzad can even average around 45 I would extremely happy. It very difficult to average 50 for an opener.

Fawad is averaging 41.66 as an opener, so I can definitely see him averaging close to 47 in the middle order.

As for Shezhad, he has had a fantastic start and averaging 45 would be a huge achievement.
 
Fawad is averaging 41.66 as an opener, so I can definitely see him averaging close to 47 in the middle order.

As for Shezhad, he has had a fantastic start and averaging 45 would be a huge achievement.

Exactly, that 168 by Fawad Alam (at a new position to him) at a good click when everyone else failed was amazing!.

Read this, this is about Azhar Ali:

http://www.official.org.pk/azhar-ali-a-tale-of-a-leg-spinner-turned-batsman/

A specialist batsman work their way up the ranks, people compare him to Dravid but Dravid represented U15, U17, U19 and was a beast if you see his records.

Azhar Ali on the other hand played U15, U17 and U19 as a leg spinner but pretty much flopped at it in domestic. He took on batting in 2006 when he was 21/22 when you should be established!
 
Exactly, that 168 by Fawad Alam (at a new position to him) at a good click when everyone else failed was amazing!.

Read this, this is about Azhar Ali:

http://www.official.org.pk/azhar-ali-a-tale-of-a-leg-spinner-turned-batsman/

A specialist batsman work their way up the ranks, people compare him to Dravid but Dravid represented U15, U17, U19 and was a beast if you see his records.

Azhar Ali on the other hand played U15, U17 and U19 as a leg spinner but pretty much flopped at it in domestic. He took on batting in 2006 when he was 21/22 when you should be established!

Link doesn't work, but now I understand why he is very limited as a batsman.

I.mean shehzd and fawad.

Oh okay.
 
I agree with you.

Azhar can make it as an opener, but just like you mention, none of these two will get anywhere near the 50 average mark, hence they are not good enough and we should look for alternatives, but the management will stick with them, like they have done previously.

Also, one is 29 and the other is 28.

Although both Azhar and Asad most likely will not average 50+ but I would still keep them in the team because both are in the team on merit.

I would look at Fawad & Haris to average 50+ in tests.

Haris is already in the squad so I would like Misbah to rest 1 test in a test series for Haris to get a chance. In those test matches I want Asad to bat at #5 and Haris at #6. Haris will then replace Misbah when Misbah retire.
New batting order: #3 Azhar, #4 YK, #5 Asad and #6 Haris.

Then I would like YK to rest 1 test in a test series for Fawad to get a chance. In those test matches I want Asad to bat at #4, Haris at #5 and Fawad at #6. Fawad will then replace YK when YK retire.
New batting order: #3 Azhar, #4 Asad, #5 Haris and #6 Fawad.
 
I don't think there is much wrong technically with both of them, temperamentally though Azhar is vastly superior.
 
Azhar is a far better player in all formats and his record proves it.

Shafiq averages 26 in ODIs which is much lower than YK who constantly gets criticized for his average.

In fact Shafiq is holding back much better players such as Fawad, Umar Akmal, Haris Sohail and Maqsood.
 
technique wise Shafiq is far superior to Azhar, But consistency wise and temperment wise Azhar is >>> over rated Shafiq.

Both are not more than 36-38 career averaged players who can get a free ride in the team until Misbah retires. They can enjoy a Mohammed Kaif kinda test career!!
 
Haris Sohail and Fawad Alam are vastly overrated here. The Hype will come down once these two cricketers gets more opportunities to play. In Fawad case the honeymoon has already been over for some fans after his embarrassing display of a batting against Aussies in UAE.

lol i just imagined Fawad facing Steyn and Philander on bouncy pitches of South Africa or facing Herath on 5th day spinning track :))
 
Shafiq definitely has the better technique of the two, but it's Azhar's concentration and his discipline that make him succeed. To add to that, Azhar is very good against the new ball. Just needs to prove himself outside Asia now.
 
Shafiq definitely has the better technique of the two, but it's Azhar's concentration and his discipline that make him succeed. To add to that, Azhar is very good against the new ball. Just needs to prove himself outside Asia now.

Blocking the new ball doesn't make you good, he wasn't that good in SA against the new ball was he? The new ball is an ideal time to score good runs as you just need to slightly time and place the hard ball and it zings off the bat.

Like I mentioned above, you can't expect someone who started batting at the age of 21/22 to be a natural batsman, and it horribly shows.
 
Shafiq tends to make basic mistakes, falls over on indippers, pokes outside off, etc... it's just that he looks good doing it so people are all gaga over his "wonderful technique".

Azhar is a much better batsman.
 
Blocking the new ball doesn't make you good, he wasn't that good in SA against the new ball was he? The new ball is an ideal time to score good runs as you just need to slightly time and place the hard ball and it zings off the bat.

Like I mentioned above, you can't expect someone who started batting at the age of 21/22 to be a natural batsman, and it horribly shows.
Blocking the new ball is a quality when you have players like Hafeez who can't block the new ball despite being 34 years of age.
 
How??

Two tons against the best pace attack of the world out of which one was in SA. Shafiq is a better player of pace bowling than most in the team. Only Umar and Shehzad are better.

Well i can judge by their respective body languages while facing fast bowlers!
 
Blocking the new ball is a quality when you have players like Hafeez who can't block the new ball despite being 34 years of age.

Everyone knows Hafeez isn't a top order batsman, he knows it himself. After he was dropped from the test team he said he wanted to bat down the order.

Babar Azam and Haris Sohail would play the new ball better and I can bet my house on it :boycott
 
Everyone knows Hafeez isn't a top order batsman, he knows it himself. After he was dropped from the test team he said he wanted to bat down the order.

Babar Azam and Haris Sohail would play the new ball better and I can bet my house on it :boycott

Azhar is doing good against the new ball at the moment and we should stick with him. No reason for chop & change.
 
Shafiq is overall the superior batsman. Azhar Ali is very limited. Shafiq has the better technique and has more flair than Azhar, he is a better player of spin and pace.

The one thing Azhar Ali has on Shafiq is his concentration level and the fact he knows his game well. Azhar plays in his limits, and knows there are certain things he shouldn't do because he can't.

Both have solid temperaments, but Shafiq occasionally has a concentration lapse and gets out. They both play the new ball well, Shafiq has played through the second new ball many times. I feel Azhar should open because of his approach.

I reckon in the longer run, Shafiq will be one of our best batsman, while Azhar will end up decent/consistent because he lacks the flair to be a 'best'.
 
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Haris Sohail and Fawad Alam are vastly overrated here. The Hype will come down once these two cricketers gets more opportunities to play. In Fawad case the honeymoon has already been over for some fans after his embarrassing display of a batting against Aussies in UAE.

lol i just imagined Fawad facing Steyn and Philander on bouncy pitches of South Africa or facing Herath on 5th day spinning track :))

Fawad Aalam averages 41.66 after playing 3 Tests as an opener, which is more than shafiq who plays at the no. 6 position and on par with Azhar's average now (but Azhar's will once again drop into the 30's soon).

Btw, he has played 3 ODI's in Aus and averages 39.00, plus played 5 ODI's in Eng and averages 38.25, which is more than shafiq's overall average of 26 in ODI's and shafiq has played numerous games in the sub-continent, but still can't beat Fawad's averages in Aus or Eng and never mind comparing the overall average of Fawad to shafiq's.
 
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Fawad Aalam averages 41.66 after playing 3 Tests as an opener, which is more than shafiq who plays at the no. 6 position and on par with Azhar's average now (but Azhar's will once again drop into the 30's soon).

Btw, he has played 3 ODI's in Aus and averages 39.00, plus played 5 ODI's in Eng and averages 38.25, which is more than shafiq's overall average of 26 in ODI's and shafiq has played numerous games in the sub-continent, but still can't beat Fawad's averages in Aus or Eng and never mind comparing the overall average of Fawad to shafiq's.

THIS! :14: :14: :14: :14:

And they say Fawad's spot is 'in danger', I distinctly remember how Fawad was fighting in that England tour and also against SA in the UAE. Numbers don't lie, it was inspirational how he performed on his comeback despite all the pressure he had.

In that Asia Cup alone he achieved more than Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali and Umer Amin have ever achieved in their combined ODI careers.
 
THIS! :14: :14: :14: :14:

And they say Fawad's spot is 'in danger', I distinctly remember how Fawad was fighting in that England tour and also against SA in the UAE. Numbers don't lie, it was inspirational how he performed on his comeback despite all the pressure he had.

In that Asia Cup alone he achieved more than Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali and Umer Amin have ever achieved in their combined ODI careers.

That 59* off 67 balls vs SA was a really great knock and it nearly took us over the line, but we fell short by 2 runs and if only, Wahab had not got out, we would have won that match.
 
This tour has settled it, unless Azhar pulls something out of the hat in the remaining innings which is unlikely.

Shafiq has looked at a different level in this series.
 
Both are good. But asad is the better player overall. I am big fan of azhar but asad has looked much more comfortable and fluent in this series. I wouldn't be suprised if Asad was the next captain as well tbh.

Azhar will be a solid player for us and a pakistani great but asad will be a level above him.

Overall pcb did well to invest in these 2
 
Lateral movement hasn't really troubled Azhar. He just hasn't had any sort of flow in his batting which is a mental issue. Azhar's first dismissal was a very good delivery. The second one was harsh and the latest one was him trying to play too straight to a delivery which could've been easily worked on the leg side. He doesn't have the game nor the mental strength of a number 3. The bowlers aren't beating him, he's beating himself.

Regarding the technical comparison, it's foolish to compare a #3 to a #6. Obviously the former faces much more pressure. There isn't much between the two's defensive techniques but Asad is able to extend his defense into offensive shots which Azhar can't. Recently he showed some improvement but has gone into his shell again for some reason.

Azhar has a tighter off-stump game and over their careers has shown a lot more fight. Though, of late, Asad has played some very good knocks under pressure.
 
Lateral movement hasn't really troubled Azhar. He just hasn't had any sort of flow in his batting which is a mental issue. Azhar's first dismissal was a very good delivery. The second one was harsh and the latest one was him trying to play too straight to a delivery which could've been easily worked on the leg side. He doesn't have the game nor the mental strength of a number 3. The bowlers aren't beating him, he's beating himself.

Regarding the technical comparison, it's foolish to compare a #3 to a #6. Obviously the former faces much more pressure. There isn't much between the two's defensive techniques but Asad is able to extend his defense into offensive shots which Azhar can't. Recently he showed some improvement but has gone into his shell again for some reason.

Azhar has a tighter off-stump game and over their careers has shown a lot more fight. Though, of late, Asad has played some very good knocks under pressure.

Good post. Azhar Ali hasn't showed any intent to score; and that is the only reason why he is failing. Don't think there are any technical issues.
 
Shafiq is far superior at this stage when it comes to technique. He's just so still at the crease, moves his feet really well, leaves the ball well, has a really solid defense, head rarely ever falls over, high elbow, completely behind the ball. That's everything covered when it comes to defensive technique. His attacking game may not be at Root, Williamson, and Smith level but he's certainly way above Misbah, Younis, and Azhar, in fact he's shown a lot more of his attacking range on this tour which gives me a feeling that he has got that attacking game in him.

The thing that gets him out is not the new ball but his concentration level at times, it's something he needs to work on and is the one area Azhar probably trumps him in.

He looks a class above everyone on show barring Root and Cook.
 
^Not saying that Azhar is technically poor, his defensive technique is actually reasonably good too, however Shafiq is probably still a level above him. Azhar's biggest issue is that he gets bogged down due to not showing intent to score runs, he's rarely actually troubled by movement.
 
Asad has a better technique but is unnecessarily loose at times, just to ensure that we don't forget his nationality. :chacha
 
Small Question: How does someone who has never played International or Domestic cricket or isnt a qualified coach, analyst or umpire judge a technique?

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Lateral movement hasn't really troubled Azhar. He just hasn't had any sort of flow in his batting which is a mental issue. Azhar's first dismissal was a very good delivery. The second one was harsh and the latest one was him trying to play too straight to a delivery which could've been easily worked on the leg side. He doesn't have the game nor the mental strength of a number 3. The bowlers aren't beating him, he's beating himself.

Regarding the technical comparison, it's foolish to compare a #3 to a #6. Obviously the former faces much more pressure. There isn't much between the two's defensive techniques but Asad is able to extend his defense into offensive shots which Azhar can't. Recently he showed some improvement but has gone into his shell again for some reason.

Azhar has a tighter off-stump game and over their careers has shown a lot more fight. Though, of late, Asad has played some very good knocks under pressure.

Very good post. He should open tbh (inb4 Shehzad fans start telling us how much he struggles against swing)
 
Very good post. He should open tbh (inb4 Shehzad fans start telling us how much he struggles against swing)

Comparing shehzad with Azhar and Asad is an insult. His work ethic compared to there's is a disgrace. Azhar and Asad stay out of trouble and just get on with cricket. Hence there success till now.
 
Better defensive skills

And overall better temperament

But technique wise he does have some issues and limitations
 
Better temperament for sure. I think Shafiq doesn't have the mental fortitude yet, but he'll get there iA.
 
Azhar's level of concentration and temperament sees him through most of the time.

With Azhar, you don't get the feeling that he will get out any time but with Shafiq, you do.
 
Love Azhar, but has to accept Azhar has to pain his whole body for an attacking shot and is really bad against quality spin.

Asad has the best technique in the Pakistan team right now.
 
Azhar's level of concentration and temperament sees him through most of the time.

With Azhhar, you don't get the feeling that he will get out any time but with Shafiq, you do.

Those attributes trump being technically sound and Misbah is a good example of that to and I agree I feel nervous watching Shafiq bat, with Azhar you get the feeling that once he gets his eye in he's more likely to go big then shafiq. Great knock today under pressure, he's our future captain and was under immense pressure but came good. Many were asking for his head but I felt we should keep faith in him given how much we've invested in Azhar.
 
Those attributes trump being technically sound and Misbah is a good example of that to and I agree I feel nervous watching Shafiq bat, with Azhar you get the feeling that once he gets his eye in he's more likely to go big then shafiq. Great knock today under pressure, he's our future captain and was under immense pressure but came good. Many were asking for his head but I felt we should keep faith in him given how much we've invested in Azhar.

Shehzadians were the ones who wanted Azhar dropped. Any sane person knew he had the ability
 
Shehzadians were the ones who wanted Azhar dropped. Any sane person knew he had the ability

fannbooys of any kind lack objectivity, minus shehzad's behaviour related issues I don't think he did enough to warrant being dropped from the Test Squad. I hope he and Umar return better then ever. And it would have been criminal to drop Azhar after those failures he had, we've been most dissapointed with him out of all the batsman because we had high expectations from him and thanks to mighty Allah he has come good, iA he continues to replicate such performances in England
 
fannbooys of any kind lack objectivity, minus shehzad's behaviour related issues I don't think he did enough to warrant being dropped from the Test Squad. I hope he and Umar return better then ever. And it would have been criminal to drop Azhar after those failures he had, we've been most dissapointed with him out of all the batsman because we had high expectations from him and thanks to mighty Allah he has come good, iA he continues to replicate such performances in England

Yes hopefully shehzad and Umar learn. But won't hang my hopes on it.
 
Yes hopefully shehzad and Umar learn. But won't hang my hopes on it.

Yeah same, we got some decent guys coming through the A squad although they will get a chance once Younis or Misbah retire
 
Yeah same, we got some decent guys coming through the A squad although they will get a chance once Younis or Misbah retire

We actually have some decent batters coming through. Not sure on young bowlers apart from Hasan Ali.
 
We actually have some decent batters coming through. Not sure on young bowlers apart from Hasan Ali.

The future of our batting and bowling in all formats is bright. Especially batting, strangely.
 
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