Does God Exist? | Javed Akhtar vs Mufti Shamail Nadwi

[LordJames]

Brutal dismantling of Javed Akhtar the over hyped Hindutva backed "Indian Secularist" by Mufti Shamail Nadwi of Kolkata

 

[LordJames]

These “Javed Akhtar–type” commentators thrive almost entirely on state patronage and curated platforms. Their arguments are hollow, endlessly recycled, and collapse the moment they’re exposed to an open, unscripted discussion. Shielded by institutional backing, they mistake volume and repetition for substance. Strip away the protection and the applause, and their so-called intellectual rigor wouldn’t survive more than a few minutes of serious scrutiny.

Pakistan

Pakistan, unfortunately, has its own quota of intellectually threadbare loudspeakers Hoodbhoy being a prime example. Cloaked in the language of “secularism,” he reliably smuggles in outright atheism, then pretends the distinction doesn’t matter. His commentary survives not on depth or rigor, but on repetition and a friendly echo chamber. Put him into a genuinely fair, intellectually serious debate, without a script or a safety net and the performance wouldn’t last five minutes.

This is the state of "Pakistani powerhouse of Intellectualism"...

 

[sweep_shot]

People like Javed Akthar want to be everything at the same time. They end up looking very stupid.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Sanatan Dharma is the original religion and Shiva is the most ancient God on this planet.

Everything that came after has been an imitation. Some good quality, some questionable quality.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Who won the debate?

 

[Local.Dada]

Moral of the story: Mufti Shamail Nadwi of Kolkata has a voice in Modi’s “Hindutva” India where he can criticize the government on public platforms. Food for thought for countries were one elected leader is on a run from under wear stealing mob and the other is in a solitary confinement with a life sentence for not toeing some lines of their respective power centers

 

[sweep_shot]

Sanatan Dharma is the original religion and Shiva is the most ancient God on this planet.

Everything that came after has been an imitation. Some good quality, some questionable quality.

First religion was pure monotheism (also known as "Islam"). Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) were the first humans on Earth.

Allah (SWT) is the only God.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Moral of the story: Mufti Shamail Nadwi of Kolkata has a voice in Modi’s “Hindutva” India where he can criticize the government on public platforms. Food for thought for countries were one elected leader is on a run from under wear stealing mob and the other is in a solitary confinement with a life sentence for not toeing some lines of their respective power centers

Even in debate about God Almighty you guys shoehorn Modi.

 

[Local.Dada]

Even in debate about God Almighty you guys shoehorn Modi.

The opening post literally said Javed Akthar over hyped Hindutva backed "Indian Secularist"

I am not sure if that was some deep philosophical insight.

 

[Bhaijaan]

First religion was pure monotheism (also known as "Islam"). Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) were the first humans on Earth.

Allah (SWT) is the only God.

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Dear Sweepy bhai,
The Adam and Eve story is only 2000 years old.

Shiva is being worshipped since 10,000 years old or more. Sanatan Dharma predates both Christianity and Islam.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Who won the debate?

@Champ_Pal, I mean Javed Akhtar lost.

 

[big_gamer007]

No one gonna watch 2 hour debate on these topics, OP needs to write a summary if he wants discussion on this topic instead of posting a 2 hour long video.

The answer to the question whether god exists or not is ultimately belief. No one knows but if you believe in god then that’s all that should matter to you, if someone doesn’t believe in god it’s their choice and shouldn’t bother you.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

No one gonna watch 2 hour debate on these topics, OP needs to write a summary if he wants discussion on this topic instead of posting a 2 hour long video.

The answer to the question whether god exists or not is ultimately belief. No one knows but if you believe in god then that’s all that should matter to you, if someone doesn’t believe in god it’s their choice and shouldn’t bother you.

Brother @LordJames this is a genuine and good question, please oblige

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I would like @rpant_gabba to do share his thoughts here. Though he may not be at good terms with me but I want something better for him

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No one gonna watch 2 hour debate on these topics, OP needs to write a summary if he wants discussion on this topic instead of posting a 2 hour long video.

The answer to the question whether god exists or not is ultimately belief. No one knows but if you believe in god then that’s all that should matter to you, if someone doesn’t believe in god it’s their choice and shouldn’t bother you.

You will be surprised at the amount of people who have watched this video.

I have seen this video shared now all over social media and people are debating it back and forth, . I can't watch it as I'm not a fan of Javed Akhtar and Indian Muslims in general so can't take the Molvis view seriously just wanted to see who won.

I didn't watch Logan Paul v Anthony Joshua for similar reasons and only watched the knock out punch.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I would like @rpant_gabba to do share his thoughts here. Though he may not be at good terms with me but I want something better for him

think we gone around this before.

Step 1 define god: there has been ~4000+ religions and respective gods know to mankind with each one with its own definition of god.

Step 2 : come with a methodology that negates the the other versions of god compared to yours. don't fall for pascals wager

 

[The Bald Eagle]

First religion was pure monotheism (also known as "Islam"). Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) were the first humans on Earth.

Allah (SWT) is the only God.

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@rpant_gabba
Step one (check the quoted post)

Won't comment on step 2 as ppl of different religions enjoy PP, but surely there are infinite arguments for existence of God than against it

 

[The Bald Eagle]

To whom it may concern...

 

[rpant_gabba]

@rpant_gabba
Step one (check the quoted post)

Won't comment on step 2 as ppl of different religions enjoy PP, but surely there are infinite arguments for existence of God than against

Definition of DEFINITION

a statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbol; a statement expressing the essential nature of something; a product of defining… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I won't mind engaging with you on a serious note, but honestly, do you still couldn't get the meaning of ayats (verses) in post 7?

Definition of DEFINITION

a statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbol; a statement expressing the essential nature of something; a product of defining… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[The Bald Eagle]

my brain just exploded trying to comprehend that. Even tried AI engines. they called me up complain to frying their servers

O it's typo, fixed it now

 

[Hitman]

Moral of the story: Mufti Shamail Nadwi of Kolkata has a voice in Modi’s “Hindutva” India where he can criticize the government on public platforms. Food for thought for countries were one elected leader is on a run from under wear stealing mob and the other is in a solitary confinement with a life sentence for not toeing some lines of their respective power centers

Stole the words from my mouth.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I won't mind engaging with you on a serious note, but honestly, do you still couldn't get the meaning of ayats (verses) in post 7?

Those are assertions, not a definition.

Eternal refuge? *** does it even mean? refuge for what? from whom?

neither begets nor is born? Seems to describe something that doesn't exist

Nor is there to him any equivalent: Claim. burden is on you to prove that.

prove that it is apollo playing tricks on gullible muslims

 

[LordJames]

Brutal dismantling of Javed Akhtar the over hyped Hindutva backed "Indian Secularist" by Mufti Shamail Nadwi of Kolkata

@rpant_gabba

During the entire argument Javed Akhtar Saheb didn't present any argument about Atheism and didn't answer any question put forth to him.

This debate isn't about religion but the topic is "Does God Exist?"

The two questions which were asked again and again can be summarized as follows:​

1. Refute the Contingency Argument for God's existence.
2. What is the source of Good and Evil? What is the source of morality?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Those are assertions, not a definition.

Eternal refuge? *** does it even mean? refuge for what? from whom?

neither begets nor is born? Seems to describe something that doesn't exist

Nor is there to him any equivalent: Claim. burden is on you to prove that.

prove that it is apollo playing tricks on gullible muslims

So a God is supposed to born sometime too? Then he is a creation not God. It is this simple.

 

[rpant_gabba]

@rpant_gabba

During the entire argument Javed Akhtar Saheb didn't present any argument about Atheism and didn't answer any question put forth to him.
​

Don't know enough about Javed Akthar and don't have to time to sit thro' 2 hours.

This debate isn't about religion but the topic is "Does God Exist?"

The two questions which were asked again and again can be summarized as follows:​

1. Refute the Contingency Argument for God's existence.

so you are going the Presupposition route. google it plenty there to dismantle it

1. What is the source of Good and Evil? What is the source of morality?

Thread 'Morality of Religions- Discussion thread'

Aug 3, 2024

This thread is to discuss the morality of various belief systems

examples: some interpretations of manu dharma suggest that reincarnation/rebirth is necessary to move up social hierarchy

Ten commandments and mosaic law has silly things like prohibition of eating shrimp, all the while condone and encourage slavery.

eg. Exodus 21

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 21 - New International Version

“These are the laws you are to set before them: Hebrew Servants - “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with...

www.biblegateway.com

Than you have Xtiatiy claiming teaching os moses don't apply becos.. "insert your fav excuse here"

even though jesus said I've come to enforce laws of moses

>>>Do not think that I have...

• rpant_gabba
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• Forum: Time Pass and Sports

Lets revive that thread.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Gabba bhai, are you an athiest-athiest or hindu-athiest?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Gabba bhai, are you an athiest-athiest or hindu-athiest?

Gabba is not Mr @Champ_Pal for sure. With due regard for both

 

[rpant_gabba]

Gabba bhai, are you an athiest-athiest or hindu-athiest?

what on earth is an hindu-athiest?

 

[LordJames]

Don't know enough about Javed Akthar and don't have to time to sit thro' 2 hours.

so you are going the Presupposition route. google it plenty there to dismantle it

Thread 'Morality of Religions- Discussion thread'

Aug 3, 2024

This thread is to discuss the morality of various belief systems

examples: some interpretations of manu dharma suggest that reincarnation/rebirth is necessary to move up social hierarchy

Ten commandments and mosaic law has silly things like prohibition of eating shrimp, all the while condone and encourage slavery.

eg. Exodus 21

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 21 - New International Version

“These are the laws you are to set before them: Hebrew Servants - “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with...

www.biblegateway.com

Than you have Xtiatiy claiming teaching os moses don't apply becos.. "insert your fav excuse here"

even though jesus said I've come to enforce laws of moses

>>>Do not think that I have...

• rpant_gabba
• Replies: 614
• Forum: Time Pass and Sports

Lets revive that thread.

You haven’t actually addressed the question or presented a substantive response, and it’s clear that you do not understand the two arguments or the difference between them. Contingency and presupposition are distinct philosophical arguments, not interchangeable terms. The former is ontological, concerned with being and existence, while the latter is logical or conceptual, concerned with the preconditions of reasoning and meaning. This distinction is well established in philosophy and you are clearly now aware.

These are separate issues in foundation, definition and then application in a debate.

Initially, you dismissed the video as being too long and asked for a summary. When a summary was provided, your response was simply to suggest “Google it.” That raises the question of what the point of engaging was in the first place? If that was going to be your response, it would have been more efficient to say so from the outset rather than spending time on a non-answer.

But before I end one more time the question is "Does God Exist" and not on religions and their differences!

Thank you for your time.​

 

[rpant_gabba]

You haven’t actually addressed the question or presented a substantive response, and it’s clear that you do not understand the two arguments or the difference between them. Contingency and presupposition are distinct philosophical arguments, not interchangeable terms. The former is ontological, concerned with being and existence, while the latter is logical or conceptual, concerned with the preconditions of reasoning and meaning. This distinction is well established in philosophy and you are clearly now aware.

These are separate issues in foundation, definition and then application in a debate.

Initially, you dismissed the video as being too long and asked for a summary. When a summary was provided, your response was simply to suggest “Google it.” That raises the question of what the point of engaging was in the first place? If that was going to be your response, it would have been more efficient to say so from the outset rather than spending time on a non-answer.

But before I end one more time the question is "Does God Exist" and not on religions and their differences!

Thank you for your time.​

Does furgle burgle exist?

 

[Champ_Pal]

That's a long video.

I listened to the opening statments by both speakers and Mufti faltered right at the opening statement. He said science does not disprove God. Duh!!! Sceince does not claim God exists. It is not on Science to disprove God. It is on the believer that has the burden of proof.
If I say there is a flying pink crocodile in the sky that made the universe and it controls everything, the Mufti will laugh at it. But he is ready to accept that there is an invisible Sky man or God that made everything.

I appreciate Javed Akhtar's patience in listening to this clown's brainless arguments. Have to listen to the rest of the debate..

 

[Champ_Pal]

Gabba bhai, are you an athiest-athiest or hindu-athiest?

A Hindu can be an atheist as long as he believes in Karma.

Rig Veda itself has an Athesit verse. It questions the existence of God that made this universe. It at least gives room for various thoughts unlike other cults that say, believe this or you are hell bound with some gruesome punishments.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There are atheists, and then there are fake atheists who dump religion but keep the blind faith. Am I right? @sweep_shot

 

[Champ_Pal]

There are atheists, and then there are fake atheists who dump religion but keep the blind faith. Am I right? @sweep_shot

Want a debate on faith ahem blind faith with me? Something tells me you wont. But you are ready to take potshots at others. When challenged you run as usual.

 

[sweep_shot]

There are atheists, and then there are fake atheists who dump religion but keep the blind faith. Am I right? @sweep_shot

Correct.

There is nothing called "atheist sanghis".

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Correct.

There is nothing called "atheist sanghis".

See, who got triggered again by my post?

 

[Champ_Pal]

See, who got triggered again by my post?

Want to debate or as usual you just fart and run without any contribution?

You should change your name to Bhaag Yahan se Bhaag. It suits you better.

 

[Champ_Pal]

So this Moulvi is a Chela of Zakir Naik. Javed clearly owned him.

The Moulvi said, God created evil to for humans to know what Good is. What the hell? What has an infant suffering with terrible diseases like Cancer, tumors has to prove to Humans?
Javed questioned him did God create an evil like Rape to know what an unraped woman be like? What in the world is that Moulvi talking.
I am 42 minutes into the discussion and Moulvi got manhandled. More to come...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Article from 2023

Javed Akhtar asks people to chant ‘Jai Siya Ram’, says in Hindu culture it is wrong to think that I am right and everyone else is wrong

Veteran poet and lyricist Javed Akhtar on Thursday attended the Deepotsav program organized by Raj Thackeray. During the event, Akhtar said that Lord Rama and Sita are not only Hindu gods and goddesses but the cultural heritage of India.

He said that although he is an atheist, he considers Ram and Sita to be the wealth of this country. And that's why he attended this event. He added that Ramayan is our cultural heritage and it is the subject of your interest.

Akhtar further said that he is proud to have been born in the land of Ram and Sita and when we talk about Maryada Purushottam, it is Ram and Sita that come to mind.

During his speech, Akhtar also asked people to chant 'Jai Siya Ram' slogans. He recalled his childhood days in Lucknow and said that as a child, he used to see people who were rich and they used to say good morning. But a common man passing by on the road used to greet people with 'Jai Siya Ram.'

“Therefore, it is a sin to think of Sita and Rama separately. The word Siya Ram is a symbol of love and unity. Siya and Ram were done by only one. His name was Ravana. So the one who does differently will be Ravana. So you chant Jai Siya Ram three times with me. Say Jai Siya Ram from today,” he said.

Akhtar also stressed on how freedom of expression has diminished. He said that if he had written Sholay today, the scene in which Hema Malini goes to the temple with Dharmendra standing behind, he and Salim Khan would not have written that scene today. Because in today's society, if someone feels bad about this, you will understand that ignorance has increased.

He further said that in the past there were some people who were always intolerant. But Hindus were not like that. "The special thing about Hindus is that there was always a greatness in their hearts. But if you finish it, you become like others. We have learned the way you have lived. It won't work if you're going to leave that quality," he added.

Talking about how India has preserved democracy at present, Akhtar said, “Even if you don't believe in anyone, you are a Hindu, that is Hindu culture. It has given us the attitude of democracy. On the contrary, it is wrong to think that I am right and everyone else is wrong. Then what you have been taught is wrong.”

Javed Akhtar asks people to chant 'Jai Siya Ram' slogans: In Hindu culture, it is wrong to think that I am right and everyone else is wrong | Hindi Movie News - Times of India

Veteran poet and lyricist Javed Akhtar on Thursday attended the Deepotsav program organized by Raj Thackeray. During the event, Akhtar said that Lord

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

No wonder fake atheists are supporting another fake atheist. @sweep_shot

 

[Champ_Pal]

Article from 2023

Javed Akhtar asks people to chant ‘Jai Siya Ram’, says in Hindu culture it is wrong to think that I am right and everyone else is wrong

Veteran poet and lyricist Javed Akhtar on Thursday attended the Deepotsav program organized by Raj Thackeray. During the event, Akhtar said that Lord Rama and Sita are not only Hindu gods and goddesses but the cultural heritage of India.

He said that although he is an atheist, he considers Ram and Sita to be the wealth of this country. And that's why he attended this event. He added that Ramayan is our cultural heritage and it is the subject of your interest.

Akhtar further said that he is proud to have been born in the land of Ram and Sita and when we talk about Maryada Purushottam, it is Ram and Sita that come to mind.

During his speech, Akhtar also asked people to chant 'Jai Siya Ram' slogans. He recalled his childhood days in Lucknow and said that as a child, he used to see people who were rich and they used to say good morning. But a common man passing by on the road used to greet people with 'Jai Siya Ram.'

“Therefore, it is a sin to think of Sita and Rama separately. The word Siya Ram is a symbol of love and unity. Siya and Ram were done by only one. His name was Ravana. So the one who does differently will be Ravana. So you chant Jai Siya Ram three times with me. Say Jai Siya Ram from today,” he said.

Akhtar also stressed on how freedom of expression has diminished. He said that if he had written Sholay today, the scene in which Hema Malini goes to the temple with Dharmendra standing behind, he and Salim Khan would not have written that scene today. Because in today's society, if someone feels bad about this, you will understand that ignorance has increased.

He further said that in the past there were some people who were always intolerant. But Hindus were not like that. "The special thing about Hindus is that there was always a greatness in their hearts. But if you finish it, you become like others. We have learned the way you have lived. It won't work if you're going to leave that quality," he added.

Talking about how India has preserved democracy at present, Akhtar said, “Even if you don't believe in anyone, you are a Hindu, that is Hindu culture. It has given us the attitude of democracy. On the contrary, it is wrong to think that I am right and everyone else is wrong. Then what you have been taught is wrong.”

Javed Akhtar asks people to chant 'Jai Siya Ram' slogans: In Hindu culture, it is wrong to think that I am right and everyone else is wrong | Hindi Movie News - Times of India

Veteran poet and lyricist Javed Akhtar on Thursday attended the Deepotsav program organized by Raj Thackeray. During the event, Akhtar said that Lord

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

No wonder fake atheists are supporting another fake atheist. @sweep_shot

I know you do not have the courage to challenge me, but I will explain what Javed Saab is saying.

Ram, Sita, Krishna are real humans that walked in the land of Bharat. They may be God's incarnation on earth for Hindus. In Jainism they are Shalaka purushas. Which means they are important righteous people. Not Gods. This is my opinion too and I am sure Javed Saab meant the same.

You have no idea about any of this

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I know you do not have the courage to challenge me, but I will explain what Javed Saab is saying.

Ram, Sita, Krishna are real humans that walked in the land of Bharat. They may be God's incarnation on earth for Hindus. In Jainism they are Shalaka purushas. Which means they are important righteous people. Not Gods. This is my opinion too and I am sure Javed Saab meant the same.

You have no idea about any of this

Lol what? Courage to challenge you? And you want a debate? Maybe start by completing the earlier one on the 'Value of Human Life in India' right around the point where you began losing control after getting cornered and ran away.

And let's be honest, you are not even an atheist. What's there to debate with you. You are a fake atheist. You don't believe in God but believe in God's incarnation? What a confused soul.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Lol what? Courage to challenge you? And you want a debate? Maybe start by completing the earlier one on the 'Value of Human Life in India' right around the point where you began losing control after getting cornered and ran away.

And let's be honest, you are not even an atheist. What's there to debate with you. You are a fake atheist. You don't believe in God but believe in God's incarnation? What a confused soul.

Human life has little value in India as compared to first world nations.

There, I answered your question.

Now, lets discuss about the God's question and Javed Saab's celebrating cultural icons of India.

You were so eager to chime in to post your opinion. So now don't run. Have the courage to discuss. Are you ready? It will not be long,

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There, I answered your question.

Now, lets discuss about the God's question and Javed Saab's celebrating cultural icons of India.

You were so eager to chime in to post your opinion. So now don't run. Have the courage to discuss. Are you ready? It will not be long,

I am ready to debate with a real atheist. Are you the one? Not really. According to me, you are a fake atheist. Let the real atheist step in not the selective one. And by real atheist, I mean those who view every religion equally. You surely don't qualify.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Finished watching the full debate.

Mufti bhai was hell bent on proving his watch maker argument. Everything is so fine and wonderful, so there must be a creator. This argument has been refuted long ago.

Universe is not perfect. Human body is not perfect. It has really bad designs. Like the spine, diseases and kids born with terrible deformities etc... Mufti has taken intense coaching from Zakir Naik clearly. His argument of intelligent design is a fail.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I am ready to debate with a real atheist. Are you the one? Not really. According to me, you are a fake atheist. Let the real atheist step in not the selective one.

There you go. Looking for an excuse to run.

Are you a theist? If so, which religion you follow. I will discuss with you accordingly. Come on!! Its not that scary.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There you go. Looking for an excuse to run.

Are you a theist? If so, which religion you follow. I will discuss with you accordingly. Come on!! Its not that scary.

That's exactly the point, and thanks for proving me right. As an atheist, you are supposed to view all religions equally, yet you respond based on others religions and you are biased towards one particular religion. It's there for all of us to see clearly.

Speaking of debates, you can't even string two sentences together without sounding triggered, and now you are asking for a debate? And just few minutes ago, you were whining in another thread when I asked you to present your opinion properly, and now you have the audacity to question my courage? Not to mention how easily you can be triggered even when I don't take your name. See the posts above. Want a debate with me on this topic? Become a real atheist first.

 

[Technics 1210]

Hahahaha. Are these the same Cult Atheists who support the 'divine' right of the chosen ones based on what was written in a book 3000 years ago? Got it.

Time is the only currency we spend without knowing how much we have. Don't waste your time debating anything with the cult.

 

[Champ_Pal]

That's exactly the point, and thanks for proving me right. As an atheist, you are supposed to view all religions equally, yet you respond based on others religions and you are biased towards one particular religion. It's there for all of us to see clearly.

Speaking of debates, you can't even string two sentences together without sounding triggered, and now you are asking for a debate? And just few minutes ago, you were whining in another thread when I asked you to present your opinion properly, and now you have the audacity to question my courage? Not to mention how easily you can be triggered even when I don't take your name. See the posts above. Want a debate with me on this topic? Become a real atheist first.

Do you want me to prove the non-existence of Buddha to you if you are a Muslim? At least think before you start typing.

As for your 2nd paragraph, I know you are making excuses to run. I say there is no God. Now are you satisfied?

So go ahead and tell me the religion you follow. I will prove/disprove the non-existence of God as per your religion. Don't run. Have the courage to say Yes!!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Do you want me to prove the non-existence of Buddha to you if you are a Muslim? At least think before you start typing.

As for your 2nd paragraph, I know you are making excuses to run. I say there is no God. Now are you satisfied?

So go ahead and tell me the religion you follow. I will prove/disprove the non-existence of God as per your religion. Don't run. Have the courage to say Yes!!

This is a debate between an atheist and a religious person, not religious vs religious. I am not an atheist, and neither are you. You are a religious person who selectively plays atheist only when it gives you free license to attack Islam. That's also why you admire Javed Akhtar not because of intellectual honesty, but because he conveniently criticizes Islam while never questioning Hinduism. Same thing you do.

For this debate to go forward, let's say I am a hindu. Now prove the non-existence of gods in hindus. We have plenty of posts of yours on Islam and now we want to see your take on Hinduism as a true atheist. Go ahead. I am sure it won't be long.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hahahaha. Are these the same Cult Atheists who support the 'divine' right of the chosen ones based on what was written in a book 3000 years ago? Got it.

Time is the only currency we spend without knowing how much we have. Don't waste your time debating anything with the cult.

Most of them are fake atheists.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

@Champ_Pal Prove the non-existence of gods in hindus. What are you waiting for? Debate is on.

 

[Champ_Pal]

@Champ_Pal Prove the non-existence of gods in hindus. What are you waiting for? Debate is on.

Hindu God’s don’t exist. Why would I prove that Ram or Sita does not exist when you are not a Hindu?

I can see Puk puk puk from you. Chickened out.

Just say you are a Muslim. It’s not hard. You are religious so you must be proud of your religion and say your God’s name. Don’t run like a little boy.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hindu God’s don’t exist. Why would I prove that Ram or Sita does not exist when you are not a Hindu?

I can see Puk puk puk from you. Chickened out.

Just say you are a Muslim. It’s not hard. You are religious so you must be proud of your religion and say your God’s name. Don’t run like a little boy.

Bas nikal gayi hawa teri? Aa gaya backfoot par?

You have plenty to say about Islam, but the moment Hindu gods come up, you just type "hindu gods don't exist" and run away, or shall I say fart and run. I have already said I am a hindu. Now prove the non-existence of gods. Your vague responses don't cut it. I want to see the same level of detail, length, and confidence when it comes to Hindu gods go all in, without dodging, without selective silence. I am waiting...

 

[Champ_Pal]

Bas nikal gayi hawa teri? Aa gaya backfoot par?

You have plenty to say about Islam, but the moment Hindu gods come up, you just type "hindu gods don't exist" and run away, or shall I say fart and run. I have already said I am a hindu. Now prove the non-existence of gods. Your vague responses don't cut it. I want to see the same level of detail, length, and confidence when it comes to Hindu gods go all in, without dodging, without selective silence. I am waiting...

When I don’t believe in Hindu Gods, why will I prove they exist or don’t exist?

I am saying I don’t believe that Hindu Gods exist. There I said it.

Something tells me you are a Muslim but for some reason too ashamed to admit it.

The last time I am asking. Which religion you follow? If you do not respond to this post, I will end it here. At least have the courage and pride to tell that you follow such and such God.

If you do not respond, I will end the topic here. I don’t have all day to run behind you and ask about your faith.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

When I don’t believe in Hindu Gods, why will I prove they exist or don’t exist?

I am saying I don’t believe that Hindu Gods exist. There I said it.

Something tells me you are a Muslim but for some reason too ashamed to admit it.

The last time I am asking. Which religion you follow? If you do not respond to this post, I will end it here. At least have the courage and pride to tell that you follow such and such God.

If you do not respond, I will end the topic here. I don’t have all day to run behind you and ask about your faith.

That means you believe in Islam then? Because you have so much to say about Islam but only 1 line to say about Hindu religion?

As I said, I am a hindu. You should believe me and continue the discussion and show your debating skills. Why are you hell bent on asking the same question over and over again when I already answered it and I am still waiting for your long essays to prove Hindu gods don't exist? Or me being a hindu is not making you comfortable with this debate? Because you have so much material to say on Islam?

Speaking of courage, do you have the courage to come to India, visit Ram Mandir and say "Hindu gods don't exist".

You were ready for a debate on Islam but you got a debate on Hinduism instead. The perfect 'Dhappa' moment.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ok, you are a Hindu. Let’s see. Let’s start with the creation story in Hinduism.

Show me the existence of Brahma the creator God. When was the universe created? Who were the first humans and how did they procreate?

You answer me this, I will disprove your argument.

I am an average Hindu who believes in God largely because my neighbors do, and because my favorite politician, Narendra Modi, also believes in God. Am I right in holding this belief? Is Narendra Modi not the creator God?

 

[HalBass9]

Indian atheists pulling double shifts, clocking in early to obsessively discredit Islam, then staying late to mysteriously miss Hindutva religious extremism entirely.

Truly the funniest side quest cult of Hindutva, atheist by label, RSS by overtime hours.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

@Champ_Pal's logic: "I don't believe in Hindu gods, so why should I prove anything about them?" But mention Islam, and suddenly he has a thousand reasons lined up because that's the one belief he is actually invested in.

 

[uppercut]

That means you believe in Islam then? Because you have so much to say about Islam but only 1 line to say about Hindu religion?

As I said, I am a hindu. You should believe me and continue the discussion and show your debating skills. Why are you hell bent on asking the same question over and over again when I already answered it and I am still waiting for your long essays to prove Hindu gods don't exist? Or me being a hindu is not making you comfortable with this debate? Because you have so much material to say on Islam?

Speaking of courage, do you have the courage to come to India, visit Ram Mandir and say "Hindu gods don't exist".

You were ready for a debate on Islam but you got a debate on Hinduism instead. The perfect 'Dhappa' moment.

yeah and I am Santa Clauss and I come bearing very expensive gifts .... you better believe me!!


Cool story though

 

[Champ_Pal]

I am an average Hindu who believes in God largely because my neighbors do, and because my favorite politician, Narendra Modi, also believes in God. Am I right in holding this belief? Is Narendra Modi not the creator God?

You can hold any belief. That does not make it real.
Looks like you have no clue about Hinduism.

Just say you are a Muslim. You are so ashamed.

Anyways, I will take your word that you are a Hindu with no idea what your beliefs are.

The Hindu creation story is as silly as the Abrahamic stories. Hinduism belief is that Brahma creates universes over and over again in a dream. So we are all living in Lord Brahma’s cosmic dream. Do you believe that?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indian atheists pulling double shifts, clocking in early to obsessively discredit Islam, then staying late to mysteriously miss Hindutva religious extremism entirely.

Truly the funniest side quest cult of Hindutva, atheist by label, RSS by overtime hours.

Champu got exposed badly here.

 

[Champ_Pal]

@Champ_Pal's logic: "I don't believe in Hindu gods, so why should I prove anything about them?" But mention Islam, and suddenly he has a thousand reasons lined up because that's the one belief he is actually invested in.

Islamic believers have the courage to defend their religion with quranic verses. You on the other hand has no clue about Hinduism and you claim to be a religious guy.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Champu got exposed badly here.

Says the dude who is ashamed to say he is a Muslim.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You can hold any belief. That does not make it real.
Looks like you have no clue about Hinduism.

Just say you are a Muslim. You are so ashamed.

Anyways, I will take your word that you are a Hindu with no idea what your beliefs are.

The Hindu creation story is as silly as the Abrahamic stories. Hinduism belief is that Brahma creates universes over and over again in a dream. So we are all living in Lord Brahma’s cosmic dream. Do you believe that?

As I said, I only believe in God because my neighbours do. And my favorite politician is Shri Narendra Modi. We are living in Lord Modi's cosmic dream.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Says the dude who is ashamed to say he is a Muslim.

Did me being a hindu made you so uncomfortable that you are still doing 'muslim muslim'? Why are you so obsessed with muslims?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Islamic believers have the courage to defend their religion with quranic verses. You on the other hand has no clue about Hinduism and you claim to be a religious guy.

You are behaving exactly like that kid who panics when the question comes out of the syllabus. You were fully prepared to debate Islam but the moment the discussion shifted to the religion you follow yourself, just like me and my neighbors, you suddenly froze.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

yeah and I am Santa Clauss and I come bearing very expensive gifts .... you better believe me!!


Cool story though

I expect you to believe me, just as we are expected to believe that you love cows and hate beef.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You are behaving exactly like that kid who panics when the question comes out of the syllabus. You were fully prepared to debate Islam but the moment the discussion shifted to the religion you follow yourself, just like me and my neighbors, you suddenly froze.

You are exposed.

A Muslim who pretends to be a religious Hindu, but has no idea about the creation story of Brahma. You excuse is you are a casual but religious Hindu.

Grow a pair and at least proudly say you are a Muslim.

@uppercut, @Hitman, @rpant_gabba, @Vikram1989. You guys saw how many times I asked him about his religion, but he clearly avoided saying it. After 50 attempts he is saying he is a casual but religious Hindu and has no idea about how universe is created in Hinduism. His excuse is he is a casual Hindu.

I am done with this troll. Wasted more than an hour in trying to get something out of him. The time I will never get back.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I expect you to believe me, just as we are expected to believe that you love cows and hate beef.

I am done with you.

Next time when you troll, do a bit of homework. It everyone is as stupid as you.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You are exposed.

A Muslim who pretends to be a religious Hindu, but has no idea about the creation story of Brahma. You excuse is you are a casual but religious Hindu.

Grow a pair and at least proudly say you are a Muslim.

@uppercut, @Hitman, @rpant_gabba, @Vikram1989. You guys saw how many times I asked him about his religion, but he clearly avoided saying it. After 50 attempts he is saying he is a casual but religious Hindu and has no idea about how universe is created in Hinduism. His excuse is he is a casual Hindu.

I am done with this troll. Wasted more than an hour in trying to get something out of him. The time I will never get back.

Bas kya? Itne mein hi debate khatam? Lol at the guys you tagged. No one is going to help you.

You asked about my religion, and I clearly said in that post that I am a Hindu. Yet here you are, behaving like a kid asking the same question 50 times. Even after I told you I am a Hindu who believes in God simply because my neighbors do, instead of actually explaining why Hinduism is wrong or why gods don't exist, you are obsessed with proving that I am a Muslim. Now that I have pulled your dhoti down, you want to run away from this debate.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I am done with you.

Next time when you troll, do a bit of homework. It everyone is as stupid as you.

You are done because no one is helping you? 4 bande aur le aa.

 

[m.shah]

Javid Akhtar was looking noob in front of Mufti

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Javid Akhtar was looking noob in front of Mufti

Fake atheists obviously come across as noobs because they don't even know what, or who, they are debating.

 

[m.shah]

Fake atheists obviously come across as noobs because they don't even know what, or who, they are debating.

He has literally no knowledge and came for debate. I felt sorry for old dude few times.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He has literally no knowledge and came for debate. I felt sorry for old dude few times.

He isn't the only one without knowledge.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You are done because no one is helping you? 4 bande aur le aa.

Done with you troll. You have no idea about the religion you claim to follow. You are a coward that can’t even say the real religion you follow. Chal Bhaag

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Done with you troll. You have no idea about the religion you claim to follow. You are a coward that can’t even say the real religion you follow. Chal Bhaag

Result: Dear Champu, it seems a few questions came from outside your syllabus. You have failed this debate, better luck next time.

Consolation Prize: At least be happy that you have got the participation medal, which guys like @uppercut and that Canadian cabbie couldn't get.

Future tip: Next time you want to have a debate, come prepared for out of syllabus questions. Chal nikal.

 

[Stewie]

Dear Sweepy bhai,
The Adam and Eve story is only 2000 years old.

Shiva is being worshipped since 10,000 years old or more. Sanatan Dharma predates both Christianity and Islam.

Bad grammar. But that's ok.
Adam and Eve are not 2000 year old. Lot longer than that.

 

[Suleiman]

Dear Sweepy bhai,
The Adam and Eve story is only 2000 years old.

Shiva is being worshipped since 10,000 years old or more. Sanatan Dharma predates both Christianity and Islam.

It doesn’t.

True monotheism has always predated paganism.

a Muslim is anyone who has submitted to the will of God, it’s not confined to one book, or one language, or one prophet. The word Muslim or Islam may have been different in language in different eras or across different cultures, but the concept is the exact same.

It is a universal and timeless concept that has existed before idol worship ever entered the world.