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Does Mohammad Amir deserve a comeback in the ODI setup?

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I think the bowlers who are working hard in domestic cricket should pack their bags and leave for America one by one if Mohammad Aamir gets selected for Australia's ODI leg. How can you select someone in the team without any domestic cricket? For the t20is, I understand you can have another criteria, i.e., franchise cricket, but definitely not for the other formats. It's simply unfair to the bowlers who work as hard as they could in domestic cricket with low salaries. Pakistan cricket team is not a vacation point where you get to play cricket according to your comfort, either be available for every series, domestic tournament or just don't play at all. (Credit- cricketbaaz fb)
 

Does Mohammad Amir deserve a comeback in the ODI setup? Based on what?​

 
Muhammad Amir Muhammad Irfan Sohail Tanvir and Aizaz Cheema will make a formidable quartet for Pakistan team.

Amir with his lethal inswing at pace from one end, Sohail with a false nine action and banana Swings will not any batsmen score freely at will.

Muhammad Irfan with his 7ft stature is a nightmare even120ks delivery with high arm action will unsettle many world class batsmen.

Then there is Aizaz Cheema the coveted Asia Cup winner, his grunted run-up with line and length makes fans forget about McGrath.

Alas! PCB never really utilised these gems and it's a shame the quartet never took the field together in Pakistan colors.
 
Remember back when people called him a trundler, now they’re watching guys like Shaheen bowl the same pace.

I’d bowl 7 overs of Amir up front and the rest at the death.
 
Listen, to the people complaining about this.acting like you have Wasim & Waqar waiting on the bench for their big shot. You lack gratitude for the availability of your most successful ICC trophy winner and he more than proved he still has the tools in the last tournament he competed in, providing he is managed effectively by someone with more than 1 brain cell.
 
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I’d put amir ahead of Shaheen, Wasim Jr, Rauf and Naseem.

So yes, he makes the cut.
 
Not sure why he would be picked for the Zimbabwe tour
It's not like he has an extensive knowledge of Zimbabwe pitches
 
if your bowling line up has any of these, shaheen afridi, naseem shah, harris rauf, hasan ali, muhammad waseem, faheen ashraf, abbas afridi, zaman khan, and isanullah,

then he definitely deserves to be back in the odi setup.
 
We don't need amir, we need Shaheen who according to a certain 103K comment expert has stated that shaheen is the 3rd greatest pakistani pacer of all time only behind wasim and imran.
 
Amir is not a rocket. He is just another trundler but his grip and accuracy is still better than other available options
 
I don't think he has fitness to play 50 over cricket.

Bowling 4 over is very easy compared to 10

We have seen how he Bowled in super over against USA .(5th over)

When was last time he played any 50 over cricket ( Domestic)
 
Mohammad Amir is still better than Naseem, Shaheen,Dahani,Afridi,Rauf. I don't see any problems in picking him.
 
Devadwal said:
When was last time he played any 50 over cricket ( Domestic)
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He is not interested in playing domestic cricket. His aim was to play T20 WC and he did play that.

He wants a free entry in the team without playing any domestic cricket.
 
BouncerGuy said:
He is not interested in playing domestic cricket. His aim was to play T20 WC and he did play that.

He wants a free entry in the team without playing any domestic cricket.
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Can Shahid Afridi made a comeback for CT team as he is better spinner than anyone else in pakistan . :kp
 
Itachi said:
Form is temporary, class is permanent.
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Form is temporary, lack of class is permanent.

He showed his class in 2010. But then again, this is the Pakistan team. If someone like Wasim Akram escaped and still played international cricket after he was caught Amir could as well. And he did.
 
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If he is available for selection, then why not? I had a very different opinion on him before but after looking at the quality of our pace attack at the last World Cup, I think we need all the help we can get. Though it has to be said that Shaheen was bowling alright in ODIs and taking wickets and Naseem was in outstanding form prior to his shoulder injury.

That was a year ago though...
 
I think he should be brought back.

Imagine a situation where the match ends in a tie and there is a Super Over. You would need a bowler like Amir who has the experience, intelligence and cool mindedness to handle pressure in such situations.
 
Mamoon said:
I think he should be brought back.

Imagine a situation where the match ends in a tie and there is a Super Over. You would need a bowler like Amir who has the experience, intelligence and cool mindedness to handle pressure in such situations.
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Next time Pakistan should send their most destructive pair of Babar and Rizwan to bat in the super over as well.
 
Here's my take.

If the system is fair? Then absolutely not. I have maintained that he should only come if he performs in domestic because this England test series showed, domestic performers beat psl frauds.

But if the system remains unfair given that players who don't even play domestic and just make connections like Shan masood and rizwan are being made captain with zero domestic performances and only medicore psl stats

Then ues Amir deserves a place.

You gotta be consistent, if psl players on roads like shadab, babar and rizwan are being selected then Amir deserves a place.
 
mominsaigol said:
Here's my take.

If the system is fair? Then absolutely not. I have maintained that he should only come if he performs in domestic because this England test series showed, domestic performers beat psl frauds.

But if the system remains unfair given that players who don't even play domestic and just make connections like Shan masood and rizwan are being made captain with zero domestic performances and only medicore psl stats

Then ues Amir deserves a place.

You gotta be consistent, if psl players on roads like shadab, babar and rizwan are being selected then Amir deserves a place.
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Amir has done enough toil/sitting out for his age and ability considering his age.

NZ use Boult in the same way.

England give lots of leeway to Archer

India are doing this now with Bumrah

Australia don’t run their ace seamers into the ground either.

Amir is a special player. He deserves to be wrapped in cotton wool. People should just accept it.
 
Amir is done. That World Cup super over disaster should have ended his career for Pakistan.
 
Rana said:
If he is done, who else is?
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Pick from the top 5 highest wicket takers from the recently concluded Champions Cup but there should be no place for Shaheen, Amir, or Rauf. The World Cup disaster will never be forgiven or forgotten. Their time is up.
 
BTW why does Amir deserve another comeback handed to him on a silver platter? His T20 World Cup performance was enough to show that he’s past his best.

Did he even play in Pakistan's 50 over domestic tournament? We need to give respect to Pakistani domestic cricket.
 
aukhan said:
Pick from the top 5 highest wicket takers from the recently concluded Champions Cup but there should be no place for Shaheen, Amir, or Rauf. The World Cup disaster will never be forgiven or forgotten. Their time is up.
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Would you apply the same rule for the batsmen?
 
aukhan said:
BTW why does Amir deserve another comeback handed to him on a silver platter? His T20 World Cup performance was enough to show that he’s past his best.

Did he even play in Pakistan's 50 over domestic tournament? We need to give respect to Pakistani domestic cricket.
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Amir past his best is far ahead of all the others, his only challenge is fitness. We saw in the World Cup how superior he was, none of the others were capable of bowling the spell he did against India, it’s not his fault the cowardly batters could not complete a straightforward chase
 
Hitman said:
So what! He single handedly won his team the CT 2017. Who cares about his conduct before that.
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Yes he will be always consider for selection based on CT 17 performance .

He deserved to play in world cup 2027 as well .
 
shaz619 said:
Amir past his best is far ahead of all the others, his only challenge is fitness. We saw in the World Cup how superior he was, none of the others were capable of bowling the spell he did against India, it’s not his fault the cowardly batters could not complete a straightforward chase
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None of the others would have conceded 19 runs in a super over vs USA either.

If someone had bowled that over, the deluded Amir fans would be blaming Babar for not giving the ball to Amir because apparently he would have leveraged his skills, experience and mentality to deliver in the Super Over for Pakistan.

Both Amir and Imad were brutally exposed in the World Cup. A lot of myths surrounding their mentality and ability to handle pressure turned out to be hot air.

The fact that some people are still advocating for them shows that they have no shame and have buried their heads in the sand.

Amir and Imad careers are over and their reputation is in the mud and it is all their own undoing.
 
Rana said:
Would you apply the same rule for the batsmen?
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Yes, the same rule should apply to all the failures from the T20 World Cup. We need new faces. I’d rather lose with fresh talent than stick with the same players.
 
mominsaigol said:
Here's my take.

If the system is fair? Then absolutely not. I have maintained that he should only come if he performs in domestic because this England test series showed, domestic performers beat psl frauds.

But if the system remains unfair given that players who don't even play domestic and just make connections like Shan masood and rizwan are being made captain with zero domestic performances and only medicore psl stats

Then ues Amir deserves a place.

You gotta be consistent, if psl players on roads like shadab, babar and rizwan are being selected then Amir deserves a place.
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The thing is yeah, he did all that, Amir post ban was playing low level club cricket, then he came back to the domestic level and finally international cricket. But the the gross mismanagement occurred by Misbah both as captain & coach, they literally ran him into the ground (there are numbers out there on his crazy work load) and were responsible for turning a champion bowler sour on cricket, and worse still, they forced his Test retirement. When you look at how Pakistan has handled pacers since then and the pitches they’ve played ok, he was vindicated, all of a sudden Shaheen and co were flavour of the month and Amir became our mortal enemy but his criticism of the system and mentally inept coaches was spot on, fast forward he is still in contention for all forms imo and it’s a reflection of how Misbah/Waqar failed Pakistan cricket as a whole. Mickey recognised Amir’s talent and I think he’d have handled him similar to Bumrah or Archer etc and squeezed the most out of him across forms but it wasn’t to be.
 
Mamoon said:
None of the others would have conceded 19 runs in a super over vs USA either.

If someone had bowled that over, the deluded Amir fans would be blaming Babar for not giving the ball to Amir because apparently he would have leveraged his skills, experience and mentality to deliver in the Super Over for Pakistan.

Both Amir and Imad were brutally exposed in the World Cup. A lot of myths surrounding their mentality and ability to handle pressure turned out to be hot air.

The fact that some people are still advocating for them shows that they have no shame and have buried their heads in the sand.

Amir and Imad careers are over and their reputation is in the mud and it is all their own undoing.
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Sub-standard fielding & the batting of Babar/Rizwan + their cowardice cost you that match.

What were Shaheen’s figures against India?
 
Amir is special player due to fixing .

He should take rest in meaningless ODI and T20 just play him in World T20 and World cup till 2030.

He needs to treated as king .
 
Devadwal said:
Amir is special player due to fixing .

He should take rest in meaningless ODI and T20 just play him in World T20 and World cup till 2030.

He needs to treated as king .
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Well, let’s give him the death penalty instead?
 
shaz619 said:
Amir past his best is far ahead of all the others, his only challenge is fitness. We saw in the World Cup how superior he was, none of the others were capable of bowling the spell he did against India, it’s not his fault the cowardly batters could not complete a straightforward chase
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Did Amir play the domestic Champions Cup to show his willingness to represent Pakistan in the 50 overs format again? All our bowlers are pathetic but still Amir doesn't currently deserve a place in the national side. You can't play T20 leagues all year, then unretire three months before an ICC event and expect a free entry based on performances from seven years ago.

Pakistan is struggling with captaincy why not hand it back to Sarfraz - the real defending champion? No wonder Pakistan has become a joke. Fan clubs only want their favorites in the playing 11.
 
Rana said:
Well, let’s give him the death penalty instead?
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Death penalty for what?

He is a very very special player that's why he can play any important tournaments even without playing domestic cricket.

Why is PCB even spending money on domestic tournaments when they can selected player based on various league performance .
 
shaz619 said:
Sub-standard fielding & the batting of Babar/Rizwan + their cowardice cost you that match.

What were Shaheen’s figures against India?
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Sequence of events matter. Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Rauf etc. did not cover themselves in glory vs USA either but in spite of all that happened, it all came down to the Super Over and Pakistan’s fate was in Amir’s hands and he bottled it in spectacular fashion.

His fans can deflect the blame by focusing on the batsmen and why XYZ didn’t bat or why XYZ didn’t take strike, but the reality is that 9 out of 10 times, every single batting unit in the would fail to score 20 in a Super Over batting second even vs a team like USA.

When you are chasing 20 in a Super Over, you have zero margin of error and every ball needs to go the boundary. Pakistan were cooked when Amir’s went for 19.

It was absolutely humiliation for a washed up loser who talked a good game and criticized & mocked Pakistani players on tv but flopped when he was asked to walk the talk.

We all know what Amir would have said if Hassan Ali or some other bowled would have conceded 19 vs USA including the 3 embarrassing wides.

His performance vs India was nothing special on that wicket. Both Naseem and Rauf bowled better than him and let’s not even talk about Bumrah and Siraj.

He was like the fourth or fifth best pacer on the day but his fans act as if he produced a worldly performance. It is just a tactic to deflect attention from the fact that he lost the USA match for Pakistan.

Amir and Imad will forever be remembered for this embarrassing performance vs USA and India respectively.
 
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Mamoon said:
Sequence of events matter. Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Rauf etc. did not cover themselves in glory vs USA either but in spite of all that happened, it all came down to the Super Over and Pakistan’s fate was in Amir’s hands and he bottled it in spectacular fashion.

His fans can deflect the blame by focusing on the batsmen and why XYZ didn’t bat or why XYZ didn’t take strike, but the reality is that 9 out of 10 times, every single batting unit in the would fail to score 20 in a Super Over batting second even vs a team like USA.

When you are chasing 20 in a Super Over, you have zero margin of error and every ball needs to go the boundary. Pakistan were cooked when Amir’s went for 19.

It was absolutely humiliation for a washed up loser who talked a good game and criticized & mocked Pakistani players on tv but crapped his trousers when he was asked to walk the talk.

We all know what Amir would have said if Hassan Ali or some other bowled would have conceded 19 vs USA including the 3 embarrassing wides.

His performance vs India was nothing special on that wicket. Both Naseem and Rauf bowled better than him and let’s not even talk about Bumrah and Siraj.

He was like the fourth or fifth best pacer on the day but his fans act as if he produced a worldly performance. It is just a tactic to deflect attention from the fact that he lost the USA match for Pakistan.

Amir and Imad will forever be remembered for this embarrassing performance vs USA and India respectively.
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Amir was Pakistan’s best bowler in the tournament as a whole and was far superior to the other pacers in their prime in that match against India, if we forget all else and look at that super-over ball by ball, I blame the sub-standard fielding; and beyond that, Pakistan should have chased the runs regardless, instead Babar & Rizwan did not have the chops to open against the USA of all teams which is a humiliation in itself, there was like a parlimentary deliberation over who should Bat in the super over and those two high profile batters let their country down, and worse against India in a straight forward chase set up by Amir’s spell of the tournament.
 
Of course he deserves a comeback. Yes, giving opportunities based on domestic performances is important and they should definitely do that for everyone but Amir. It's not like other teams don't do this with some of their players. Besides, the domestic bowling stock is laughable. You'll need an experienced guy like Amir in the CT, who is also going to give you better batting than Shaheen's mindless one-dimensional slogging.

It got proven in the t20 WC how valuable Amir still is. Imagine, Pak would have lost to USA before even entering a Super Over, because every bowler barring Naseem was trash
 
Amir is still a very good LOI bowler, it’s very hard to hit him, bcoz of his reduced pace he bowls short of a length with good control and when he occasionally finds seam movement he takes a couple of wickets at the start.

He should definitely play t20s at the very least.
 
If a bowler can bring experience along with better execution, there's no harm in giving him another chance specially considering we don't have any reliable fast bowlers available.
 
shaz619 said:
Amir was Pakistan’s best bowler in the tournament as a whole and was far superior to the other pacers in their prime in that match against India, if we forget all else and look at that super-over ball by ball, I blame the sub-standard fielding; and beyond that, Pakistan should have chased the runs regardless, instead Babar & Rizwan did not have the chops to open against the USA of all teams which is a humiliation in itself, there was like a parlimentary deliberation over who should Bat in the super over and those two high profile batters let their country down, and worse against India in a straight forward chase set up by Amir’s spell of the tournament.
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How can he be Pakistan’s best bowler when he lost Pakistan the USA game with his bowling? Who concedes 19 runs and bowls 3 wides in a Super Over vs USA?

The fact is that Amir played a massive role in ensuring that Pakistan get eliminated in the group by letting the team down vs USA.

His bowling in the Ireland game was useless because Pakistan was already out. He couldn’t deliver when it mattered. It was the type of stat padding that other players are criticized for, but apparently it is not a problem when Amir does it.

As I said earlier, chasing 20 in a Super Over even vs a minnow side is a near impossible task because you have 0 margin of error. Even a team like England will fail to do it 9/10 times. It is too difficult.

And just because Babar and Rizwan open doesn’t mean they also have to bat in the Super Over. In fact, apart from 2/3 teams at best, no team will play its designated openers in the Super Over because your openers aren’t necessarily your power hitters.

Had Babar and Rizwan batted in the Super Over, people would have accused them of being selfish. However, now that they sent in the main hitters in the team, they are accused of being cowards.

Amir proved in the World Cup that he is washed up and adds nothing to the team. His best days are behind him and it is easier to talk on Tv than it is to perform on the pitch.
 
Mamoon said:
How can he be Pakistan’s best bowler when he lost Pakistan the USA game with his bowling? Who concedes 19 runs and bowls 3 wides in a Super Over vs USA?

The fact is that Amir played a massive role in ensuring that Pakistan get eliminated in the group by letting the team down vs USA.

His bowling in the Ireland game was useless because Pakistan was already out. He couldn’t deliver when it mattered. It was the type of stat padding that other players are criticized for, but apparently it is not a problem when Amir does it.

As I said earlier, chasing 20 in a Super Over even vs a minnow side is a near impossible task because you have 0 margin of error. Even a team like England will fail to do it 9/10 times. It is too difficult.

And just because Babar and Rizwan open doesn’t mean they also have to bat in the Super Over. In fact, apart from 2/3 teams at best, no team will play its designated openers in the Super Over because your openers aren’t necessarily your power hitters.

Had Babar and Rizwan batted in the Super Over, people would have accused them of being selfish. However, now that they sent in the main hitters in the team, they are accused of being cowards.

Amir proved in the World Cup that he is washed up and adds nothing to the team. His best days are behind him and it is easier to talk on Tv than it is to perform on the pitch.
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He outperformed them all and it’s humiliating that it happened after such a long lay off, he had the best stats out of all the bowlers and if you watched the match against India, then you’d see what a complete bowler he was and how the rest were largely inferior, India is the most important match and he fired against them.

Against the USA, horrible fielding and the cowardice of Babar and Rizwan cost you, those two batters were not green for the super over, especially Babar who was timing the ball better than Ifti was, why would people complain if Babar or Rizwan decided to stand up and reinforce their positions in the top order, why did it take so long to deliberate over the matter against the USA of all teams? the fact that you can’t trust them to get 20 runs against a minnow says it all.
 
I blame amir for the super over bowling wise. Not blaming him would be dishonest and disingenuous

The super over is not an isolated incident if it has factors leading up to it.

Firstly their is absolutely no eexcuse for the way babar azam batted and pakistan batted. Any side should have crossed 180 to 200 on a road like Dallas against USA. Babar is to blame for a below par 160 score.

Secondly people forget that usa was murking us, game was over in 10 overs. But just Nepal vs SA where Nepal was destroying SA, Minnow mentality eventually struck hence both teams choked, Logically it should not have gone to 5 of the last ball.

Moreover let's not forget the drop catch of amir by Shaheen, Had he caught that dolly game was already won but nope, Fielding curse Continued and can someone explain the genius decision of putting all fielders in the inner ring having no long off for the last ball?

Did babar think usa was going to run 4?

Next up we have the super over. Amir bowled terribly, infact amir should be scrutinized. It was horrible. But why did Amir bowl the super over?

Naseem Shah was your best bowler so why didn't babar bowl him? It was clear usa had issues reading his line and length?

Next up we have rizwan's horrible keeping behind the stumps, who told him to give away doubles including him flinging a ball over the bowlers head to allow for an extra? As well as comical fielding at the outer ring costing a other double and missing a run out chance.

And the absolute cherry on top, when 2 batters who proclaim themselves as goat t20 players hide behind their tails, and send chacha who is even slower then Babar and rizwan to face a super over.

Followed by the fact that chacha prior to usa game had been in 2 super overs in his international career but he Botched both of them.

Oh and missing the full toss and getting out was hilarious as usual, also why was shadab a tail ender sent at no 3?

Only batter who should have been sent fakhar didn't even play a single delivery in the super over 😭😭.

Please stop bashing only Amir for an agenda, It's very clear Babar, Rizwan, Chacha, Shadab, Shaheen are massive culprits.
 
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We can say whatever we want to say but did anyone asked what Amir wants??? Does he wanna play for Pakistan???

I think he wants only T20s.
 
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We can say whatever we want to say but did anyone asked what Amir wants??? Does he wanna play for Pakistan???

I think he wants only T20s.
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I doubt it. I believe he wants to play for the same people he played for in 2010 in England.
 
mominsaigol said:
I blame amir for the super over bowling wise. Not blaming him would be dishonest and disingenuous

The super over is not an isolated incident if it has factors leading up to it.

Firstly their is absolutely no eexcuse for the way babar azam batted and pakistan batted. Any side should have crossed 180 to 200 on a road like Dallas against USA. Babar is to blame for a below par 160 score.

Secondly people forget that usa was murking us, game was over in 10 overs. But just Nepal vs SA where Nepal was destroying SA, Minnow mentality eventually struck hence both teams choked, Logically it should not have gone to 5 of the last ball.

Moreover let's not forget the drop catch of amir by Shaheen, Had he caught that dolly game was already won but nope, Fielding curse Continued and can someone explain the genius decision of putting all fielders in the inner ring having no long off for the last ball?

Did babar think usa was going to run 4?

Next up we have the super over. Amir bowled terribly, infact amir should be scrutinized. It was horrible. But why did Amir bowl the super over?

Naseem Shah was your best bowler so why didn't babar bowl him? It was clear usa had issues reading his line and length?

Next up we have rizwan's horrible keeping behind the stumps, who told him to give away doubles including him flinging a ball over the bowlers head to allow for an extra? As well as comical fielding at the outer ring costing a other double and missing a run out chance.

And the absolute cherry on top, when 2 batters who proclaim themselves as goat t20 players hide behind their tails, and send chacha who is even slower then Babar and rizwan to face a super over.

Followed by the fact that chacha prior to usa game had been in 2 super overs in his international career but he Botched both of them.

Oh and missing the full toss and getting out was hilarious as usual, also why was shadab a tail ender sent at no 3?

Only batter who should have been sent fakhar didn't even play a single delivery in the super over 😭😭.

Please stop bashing only Amir for an agenda, It's very clear Babar, Rizwan, Chacha, Shadab, Shaheen are massive culprits.
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Bashing only one player for an agenda. You seem to have only seen it with Amir in the world cup. But i have been seeing it for many years with some of the other players
 
i was trying to say that i have seen blaming the weight of the entire loss on one single player many times before. Even though the whole team performs bad, one single player is targetted. i have no clue why you got so offended
 
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i was trying to say that i have seen blaming the weight of the entire loss on one single player many times before. Even though the whole team performs bad, one single player is targetted. i have no clue why you got so offended
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Okay but did I blame it on one single player?
 
shaz619 said:
He outperformed them all and it’s humiliating that it happened after such a long lay off, he had the best stats out of all the bowlers and if you watched the match against India, then you’d see what a complete bowler he was and how the rest were largely inferior, India is the most important match and he fired against them.

Against the USA, horrible fielding and the cowardice of Babar and Rizwan cost you, those two batters were not green for the super over, especially Babar who was timing the ball better than Ifti was, why would people complain if Babar or Rizwan decided to stand up and reinforce their positions in the top order, why did it take so long to deliberate over the matter against the USA of all teams? the fact that you can’t trust them to get 20 runs against a minnow says it all.
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If you want to have the last word you can have the last word, no problem. However, I repeat - no one concedes 19 runs vs USA in a Super Over, that too with 3 ugly wides.

In spite of all that happened in that game including poor batting, fielding and bowling by others, it all boiled down to the Super Over and Amir held the fate of the match in his hands.

Considering his experience and reputation, he should have delivered for Pakistan in that moment. He didn’t just not deliver, he absolutely bottled it in humiliating fashion.

Amir fans wouldn’t keep quiet about his ability to deliver under pressure had he bowled Pakistan to victory in that over.

Similarly, they wouldn’t keep quieteither if someone else had conceded 19, and they would have been adamant that if Amir was there he would have won Pakistan the match.

It was embarrassing and he got badly exposed. End of story.
 
Fans that have zero knowledge of cricket/ rarely ever played cricket in real life still think this fixer is a good bowler.

What happened to "Pakistan team needs Amir and Imad for the T20 wc, select them!!" . We went from semi-finalists and finalists in the last 2 worldcups to getting knocked out in the group stages with a humiliating defeat to USA.

Amir bowled the worst super-over of all time and single handedly lost Pakistan 2 points vs arguably at that time the weakest team in the tournament.

Since his return in T20 cricket this year he's averaged 34 at an economy of 8.36 vs the top 5 teams, he's washed.

Regardless of the fact he's a fixer, washed and a terrible person, what message does it send out to domestic performers when people who don't even play domestic are getting selected ahead of them? I don't care if the only other option is a 30 year old Mohammad Ali who has toiled away in domestic and not produced anything impressive, as a system to ensure meritocracy you have to pick the domestic performer.
 
iPakistani said:
Fans that have zero knowledge of cricket/ rarely ever played cricket in real life still think this fixer is a good bowler.

What happened to "Pakistan team needs Amir and Imad for the T20 wc, select them!!" . We went from semi-finalists and finalists in the last 2 worldcups to getting knocked out in the group stages with a humiliating defeat to USA.

Amir bowled the worst super-over of all time and single handedly lost Pakistan 2 points vs arguably at that time the weakest team in the tournament.

Since his return in T20 cricket this year he's averaged 34 at an economy of 8.36 vs the top 5 teams, he's washed.

Regardless of the fact he's a fixer, washed and a terrible person, what message does it send out to domestic performers when people who don't even play domestic are getting selected ahead of them? I don't care if the only other option is a 30 year old Mohammad Ali who has toiled away in domestic and not produced anything impressive, as a system to ensure meritocracy you have to pick the domestic performer.
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I agree bro

Amir Is also responsible for babar regressing badly in tests and shaheen turning into a trundler and was the main culprit behind us loosing a test at home vs Bangladesh had he not been bought back to the team babar still would be worlds number 1 batsmen and we would have won the world Cup too

Everyone else here don't know zilch about cricket, you are the guru of cricket 🫡
 
emranabbas said:
I agree bro

Amir Is also responsible for babar regressing badly in tests and shaheen turning into a trundler and was the main culprit behind us loosing a test at home vs Bangladesh had he not been bought back to the team babar still would be worlds number 1 batsmen and we would have won the world Cup too

Everyone else here don't know zilch about cricket, you are the guru of cricket 🫡
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What are you on about? You're taking the point i've made, completely ignoring it and then stating 2 new points. What has Babar flopping and Shaheen regressing have to do with Amir bowling the worst super over of all time or not toiling away in domestic?
 
iPakistani said:
What are you on about? You're taking the point i've made, completely ignoring it and then stating 2 new points. What has Babar flopping and Shaheen regressing have to do with Amir bowling the worst super over of all time or not toiling away in domestic?
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This is what your trying to make out that we were finalist and semi finalist and Amir came in the team and we flopped

when Amir actually was the best bowler for pakistan in the tournament

and we flopping has nothing to do with babar regressing? And shaheen unable to buy wickets the whole tournament?

So if you going to blame Amir is the reason other players couldn't perfom in the worldcup might aswell blame Amir for players unable to perform in tests too

And you know nothing about cricket your whole post was on the back of Amir hate
 
emranabbas said:
This is what your trying to make out that we were finalist and semi finalist and Amir came in the team and we flopped

when Amir actually was the best bowler for pakistan in the tournament

and we flopping has nothing to do with babar regressing? And shaheen unable to buy wickets the whole tournament?

So if you going to blame Amir is the reason other players couldn't perfom in the worldcup might aswell blame Amir for players unable to perform in tests too

And you know nothing about cricket your whole post was on the back of Amir hate
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It's not a conspiracy, the same Babar who flopped in the T20 WC 2022 we reached the final of. Shaheen is a great bowler and has been consistent across various tournaments.

The fact of the matter is, Imad and Amir came into the team, we lost to the USA courtesy of the worst super over ever by Amir and we lost to India courtesy of the worst batting performance ever by Imad.

The T20 team was pretty solid before both of them got introduced, it can't be a coincidence.
 
iPakistani said:
It's not a conspiracy, the same Babar who flopped in the T20 WC 2022 we reached the final of. Shaheen is a great bowler and has been consistent across various tournaments.

The fact of the matter is, Imad and Amir came into the team, we lost to the USA courtesy of the worst super over ever by Amir and we lost to India courtesy of the worst batting performance ever by Imad.

The T20 team was pretty solid before both of them got introduced, it can't be a coincidence.
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if it wasn't for Amir we would have the lost game vs Usa in the 10th over and wouldn't even have played a super over

shaheen shah afridi the best bowler after imran khan and wasir akram couldnt buy a single wicket vs USA and leaked runs like no tomorrow on that sort of pitch

what about Harris who leaked 14 runs in the last over? and shaheen afridi who dropped a catch in the last over? thats all amirs fault?
 
emranabbas said:
if it wasn't for Amir we would have the lost game vs Usa in the 10th over and wouldn't even have played a super over

shaheen shah afridi the best bowler after imran khan and wasir akram couldnt buy a single wicket vs USA and leaked runs like no tomorrow on that sort of pitch

what about Harris who leaked 14 runs in the last over? and shaheen afridi who dropped a catch in the last over? thats all amirs fault?
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Unlike you, I can accept the facts and agree most of what you've said regarding the USA match is correct. All them events happened.

But one thing you can't deny is after 40 overs, the match boiled down to 6 balls from each side. Amir the match winner went on to bowl the worst super over with 3 wides, conceding 19. Effectively losing us the match.

You probably can't comprehend being objective so for your sake try and imagine it was Shaheen who conceded 19 in a super over vs USA. Would the blame of the match still be on a dropped catch or a 14 run Rauf over?
 
Last I checked, Amir was struggling with international standard fitness for T20 Cricket. How will he last bowling ten overs a game? When was the last time he did that?
 
iPakistani said:
Unlike you, I can accept the facts and agree most of what you've said regarding the USA match is correct. All them events happened.

But one thing you can't deny is after 40 overs, the match boiled down to 6 balls from each side. Amir the match winner went on to bowl the worst super over with 3 wides, conceding 19. Effectively losing us the match.

You probably can't comprehend being objective so for your sake try and imagine it was Shaheen who conceded 19 in a super over vs USA. Would the blame of the match still be on a dropped catch or a 14 run Rauf over?
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Shaheen should have not been playing that match never mind him playing the superover

Glad it wasn't shaheen bowling the superover otherwise he would have conceded 36 runs

Best finishers in Pakistan couldn't chase 19 runs vs a minnow USA thats where we lost the match
 
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