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His magic wasn't working in UAE so he wasn't looking too enthusiastic right from the start of the series. Went wicketless in the first Test and was having a bad game in the second test too before he supposedly got injured and has taken a break now.

Say whatever you want about Wahab, Junaid Khan, Imran Khan Jr but these guys have been putting energy at all times while playing in dead tracks of UAE and were an absolute workhouse for the team, while OTOH Amir simply doesn't exhibit energy while bowling on flat pitches.

I don't see Amir ever taking a 5 Wicket Haul on a Dead Pitch and win the match for Pakistan like Shoaib Akhtar has done many times in the past. He also has been very fortunate to have played most of his career outside UAE/Pakistan while other bowlers have been doing the donkey work in UAE.
 
Saw Wahab take the plaster(?) off one of his foot, the fingers were bruised. He's 10x as far as effort is concerned wrt full blooded prince.
 
Happens with people who know their place is secure no matter what. Maybe drop him for a series or two to get his head in place?
 
He just won the CT for you against your arch rivals. Can it get any better?

It's the fact that his body can not handle a lot of overs in a day regularly. He had this issue in 2010 in Australia as well. Just use him selectively in tests as we a lot of replacements in tests. In the UAE you play with 2 spinners anyway.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
He just won the CT for you against your arch rivals. Can it get any better?

It's the fact that his body can not handle a lot of overs in a day regularly. He had this issue in 2010 in Australia as well. Just use him selectively in tests as we a lot of replacements in tests. In the UAE you play with 2 spinners anyway.
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He bowled well in the CT Final but defending 340 runs in the final is hardly a " Tough Going ". A bowler can't ask for a better effort from his batters than 340 runs to defend.
 
boomboomcheema said:
He bowled well in the CT Final but defending 340 runs in the final is hardly a " Tough Going ". A bowler can't ask for a better effort from his batters than 340 runs to defend.
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In the past experienced cricketers like Umar Gul, Shoaib Akhtar have been destroyed by Indian top order bats. They are monsters whenever chasing a total on a flat road as they have yet again shown recently. Yet Amir turned it on for Pakistan.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
In the past experienced cricketers like Umar Gul, Shoaib Akhtar have been destroyed by Indian top order bats. They are monsters whenever chasing a total on a flat road as they have yet again shown recently. Yet Amir turned it on for Pakistan.
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Only once has that happened, only one player was capable of that. Every other WC ODI game & the team batting first has won, every time.

Amir spell was good but he had the second best ICC finals total, till date, to defend.
 
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Too much speculation about Amir in this thread.

Pakistan should replace him in next test match either by a fast bowler Mir Hamza or by a spinner Asghar.
 
srh said:
Too much speculation about Amir in this thread.

Pakistan should replace him in next test match either by a fast bowler Mir Hamza or by a spinner Asghar.
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Next Test is in May .... in England :amir
 
While wahab isn't a great bowler, one thing every bowler can learn from him is his attitude. Even in situations when the team is struggling he seems to do even better.
 
MenInG said:
you doubting the fact that he is injured?
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No I don't want to be banned, for Amir it's a recurring theme. Even an extended layoff was not enough after he excused himself from 3 t20s in World XI. I am doubting the commitment of the player to come back to full fitness. Doesn't seem to be there.

He also has a free run in the side that he doesn't deserve.
 
mak36 said:
You obviously don't understand how injuries occur.
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Yes they do occur, for Amir however excuses are given aplenty

Dropped catches, back spasm, injuries, flat pitch, no grass, 'came back after 5 years,' - how long are we gonna hear this?
 
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Very poor in Test cricket. Should stick to LOI cricket only.
 
Lets be honest, fans need to stop deflecting critcisim from their superhero, there cannot be ANY excuses to not performing at all, if this was a one-off thing I can understand. But 1.5 years of no show in Test Cricket is hardly acceptable.

I will not take a one-off 6 wicket haul aagainst the WI when clearly a newbie is outperforming you in every innings.
Nor will I take bowlers like Rahat, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz and Imran Khan jr outperfroming you whenever they get a chance.
Nor will I accept the lowest strike rate in the world for an opening bowler who was supposedly the biggest thing to come to Pakistan cricket since Wasim Akram.
No free runs in the side, no hanky panky, get your act together or please find some shame and make way for someone who actually deservees it and will give a 100% whenever he sets foot on the pitch.

Question is what has he brought different to what some of the other bowlers can bring to the side in 1.5 years?
 
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All these Indian posters keep crying about Amir, I can get that, they have not forget CT, don’t want to face him in 2019, let them cry ;-)

Pakistan has to be careful about fast bowling resources. In two test, we got both Hasan and Amir injured....Its not just Pakistani, 3 of the top 5 Auses pacemen are injured.

If we have to play in uae, we need to keep fast bowlers fresh. And develop a game plan of playing 5 bowlers, Fahim at #6 can balance the team with two spinners. That way premium fast bowlers can be used in short burst. You cannot use 140 clicks bowler as work horse day in day out. We need to make middle order solid with Harris and Fawad

That’s how we can win in uae and build team for green tours. There is so much benefits to play Fahim or Shahab as #6. They make us aggressive out look. We don’t have to carry Misbah’s defensive mindset
 
Amir has turned up when the stakes are high in LOIs. The issue with him is Test bowling;he hasn't done well in this format. He is good when he gets movement in the air but on dead tracks when the stakes aren't particularly he does not have the drive to be the workhorse who bowls over after over in long spells playing second fiddle to the spinners.
 
waleed88 said:
No I don't want to be banned, for Amir it's a recurring theme. Even an extended layoff was not enough after he excused himself from 3 t20s in World XI. I am doubting the commitment of the player to come back to full fitness. Doesn't seem to be there.

He also has a free run in the side that he doesn't deserve.
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His wife had their first child for crying out loud!
 
waleed88 said:
Yes they do occur, for Amir however excuses are given aplenty

Dropped catches, back spasm, injuries, flat pitch, no grass, 'came back after 5 years,' - how long are we gonna hear this bsss?
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He has an injury. Logic would suggest we will hear about it until he recovers.
 
waleed88 said:
Lets be honest, fans need to stop deflecting critcisim from their superhero, there cannot be ANY excuses to not performing at all, if this was a one-off thing I can understand. But 1.5 years of no show in Test Cricket is hardly acceptable.

I will not take a one-off 6 wicket haul aagainst the WI when clearly a newbie is outperforming you in every innings.
Nor will I take bowlers like Rahat, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz and Imran Khan jr outperfroming you whenever they get a chance.
Nor will I accept the lowest strike rate in the world for an opening bowler who was supposedly the biggest thing to come to Pakistan cricket since Wasim Akram.
No free runs in the side, no hanky panky, get your act together or please find some shame and make way for someone who actually deservees it and will give a 100% whenever he sets foot on the pitch.

Question is what has he brought different to what some of the other bowlers can bring to the side in 1.5 years?
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Nor will I accept FOURTEEN DROPPED CATCHES since his return.
 
waleed88 said:
Lets be honest, fans need to stop deflecting critcisim from their superhero, there cannot be ANY excuses to not performing at all, if this was a one-off thing I can understand. But 1.5 years of no show in Test Cricket is hardly acceptable.

I will not take a one-off 6 wicket haul aagainst the WI when clearly a newbie is outperforming you in every innings.
Nor will I take bowlers like Rahat, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz and Imran Khan jr outperfroming you whenever they get a chance.
Nor will I accept the lowest strike rate in the world for an opening bowler who was supposedly the biggest thing to come to Pakistan cricket since Wasim Akram.
No free runs in the side, no hanky panky, get your act together or please find some shame and make way for someone who actually deservees it and will give a 100% whenever he sets foot on the pitch.

Question is what has he brought different to what some of the other bowlers can bring to the side in 1.5 years?
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There is legitimate criticism, such as pointing out that he goes missing a lot of times amongst other things - and then there are conspiracy theories about his injuries. It's been repeatedly mentioned that his aggregate number of overs are amongst the highest by pacers since his comeback so these type of injuries do happen but you seem to find that hard to believe. Don't really understand why but that's your prerogative.
 
Abdullah719 said:
There is legitimate criticism, such as pointing out that he goes missing a lot of times amongst other things - and then there are conspiracy theories about his injuries. It's been repeatedly mentioned that his aggregate number of overs are amongst the highest by pacers since his comeback so these type of injuries do happen but you seem to find that hard to believe. Don't really understand why but that's your prerogative.
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If he bowled the highest number of overs he got the chances to get the highest number of wickets?

I seem to see the wickets column empty more often than not?

Why is he bowling then if he can't pick up wickets?
 
waleed88 said:
If he bowled the highest number of overs he got the chances to get the highest number of wickets?

I seem to see the wickets column empty more often than not?

Why is he bowling then if he can't pick up wickets?
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That has nothing to do with what I said though.

He is bowling a very high amount of overs therefore injuries are not as unimaginable as you make them out to be.
 
mak36 said:
His wife had their first child for crying out loud!
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Yes I know which is why I am even more concerned? Teams are playing all around the year and they still have the same squad intact. Fitness is an issue if he gets injured, but when the bowler is being overworked I can understand. The guy hasn't played International cricket for a while, he played in counties, he then had an extended lay off period, if you were not fit why didn't you inform the responsible committees, there was a training camp and players report their fitness there.

Point is there were the checks and balances needed for a player to let the management know he is not well, for me he has had enough times on the sidelines that he can have no injury excuses throughout the series. I mean what can be bigger than playing for country right?
 
Abdullah719 said:
That has nothing to do with what I said though.

He is bowling a very high amount of overs therefore injuries are not as unimaginable as you make them out to be.
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The player of the year, bowler of the year awards are as far away from him as it is for a turtle to beat the hare in a race. Sadly he won't win these awards for bowling the higehest number of overs

PAkistan cricket team hasn't been playing since 4 months. I see no excuses for not being a '100%' which this guy was ever since the series started that is for sure. Injuries do happen, this guy was never fit enough to start with
 
waleed88 said:
Yes I know which is why I am even more concerned? Teams are playing all around the year and they still have the same squad intact. Fitness is an issue if he gets injured, but when the bowler is being overworked I can understand. The guy hasn't played International cricket for a while, he played in counties, he then had an extended lay off period, if you were not fit why didn't you inform the responsible committees, there was a training camp and players report their fitness there.

Point is there were the checks and balances needed for a player to let the management know he is not well, for me he has had enough times on the sidelines that he can have no injury excuses throughout the series. I mean what can be bigger than playing for country right?
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Reading this drivel is causing me to lose brain cells. Please tell me you are trolling.

He passed a fitness test before the series, but unfortunately got injured. What is difficult to understand?

He has been playing lots of international and county cricket and unsurprisingly injuries do occur. Read Abdullah's post about his workload and you will understand.
 
waleed88 said:
The player of the year, bowler of the year awards are as far away from him as it is for a turtle to beat the hare in a race. Sadly he won't win these awards for bowling the higehest number of overs

PAkistan cricket team hasn't been playing since 4 months. I see no excuses for not being a '100%' which this guy was ever since the series started that is for sure. Injuries do happen, this guy was never fit enough to start with
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This is too much. What exactly is your complaint? :)))
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mak36 said:
Reading this drivel is causing me to lose brain cells. Please tell me you are trolling.

He passed a fitness test before the series, but unfortunately got injured. What is difficult to understand?

He has been playing lots of international and county cricket and unsurprisingly injuries do occur. Read Abdullah's post about his workload and you will understand.
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Lets be honest, this guy wasn't fit, 'declared fit' can be another story altogether. The pace with which he was operating, the body language was obvious this was not somethign that happened, but he was carrying it throughout. His speed, his performance suggested he was going through the motions. His level was not one of a bowler who was a 'supposed match winner'.

This got bad as the series went on, but this guy wasn't fit to begin with - a 100% which he should've been as the 'spearhead'
 
mak36 said:
This is too much. What exactly is your complaint? :)))
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
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I see denial brother - failure to acknowledge an unacceptable truth or emotion or to admit it into consciousness, used as a defense mechanism.
But carry on your defense, its gonna win you some brownie points with Amir fans
 
waleed88 said:
I see denial brother - failure to acknowledge an unacceptable truth or emotion or to admit it into consciousness, used as a defense mechanism.
But carry on your defense, its gonna win you some brownie points with Amir fans
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His fans r even advocating that amir should skip uae series and play only important series abroad where he is the worse pacer in that series.
 
sachin100 said:
His fans r even advocating that amir should skip uae series and play only important series abroad where he is the worse pacer in that series.
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Ofcourse! That is the state of some of the 'brain cells' here
 
waleed88 said:
Lets be honest, this guy wasn't fit, 'declared fit' can be another story altogether. The pace with which he was operating, the body language was obvious this was not somethign that happened, but he was carrying it throughout. His speed, his performance suggested he was going through the motions. His level was not one of a bowler who was a 'supposed match winner'.

This got bad as the series went on, but this guy wasn't fit to begin with - a 100% which he should've been as the 'spearhead'
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Literally none of your posts make sense. To be honest I am not sure even you know what you are trying to say. But I will say your posts are absolutely hilarious so thanks for the laugh.
 
mak36 said:
This is too much. What exactly is your complaint? :)))
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
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Can someone dig up this guy's posts right after the CT final? I'm sure he went into hiding just like almost all the Indians on this forum. I haven't even seen anyone hate on Shan Masood (who 200% would deserve it) with such a ferocious attitude, as this guy does with Amir.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Can someone dig up this guy's posts right after the CT final? I'm sure he went into hiding just like almost all the Indians on this forum. I haven't even seen anyone hate on Shan Masood (who 200% would deserve it) with such a ferocious attitude, as this guy does with Amir.
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U r the opposite to him.u love him endlessly for no reason even if he fails continuously
 
mak36 said:
This is too much. What exactly is your complaint? :)))
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
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Not really sure. :danish

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He is injured.

But it is true that he does not seem to be giving his 100 % like wahab riaz and junaid khan , you can feel that wahab and junaid bend their backs on every delivery. Amir can be a wicket taker in test matches if he bowls closer to the stumps and develops some outswing as well to right handers , at the moment he is too reliant on inswing and from the angle he bowls he needs a lot of inswing to get wickets and secondly the inswing seems to be his only weapon though he bowls some good pacy off cutters as well but the off cutters are not as good as seamers. His bouncers are not very effective because of lack of pace and he seldom bowls yorkers.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Yes a couple of posts by a certain poster = everyone is saying that. :14:
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Most of them are closet supporters that dig stats up to defend performances like dropped catches, highest overs bowled by any bowler, then say to balance things out like no one says he doesn't deserve criticisim, and then use the word 'BUT' and then go 5-10 posts claiming he has done so much for country.

This my friend is a typical example of how 'Hamza Ali Abbasi' tries to defend everything wrong with his party with 'logic and reasoning' which makes no sense whatsoever and is self contradictory.
 
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So if he is getting some deserved criticism, either you can say you are 'in favor', or 'in defense' of Amir, don't go on trying to defend your claim with 'oh he got injured', 'oh his child was born,' 'oh but but he bowls like Wasim.'

Stats are clear, his bowling average is there for everyone to see, his performance is there for everyone to see. Please don't try to put that under the carpet, by trying to 'justify' all that with rubbish.

On merit he is probably the 5-6th best bowler in the country on the basis of stats and performances in 'Test Matches'

As for me I am still on topic, while others are bringing up injuries to defend a 65 over drought of wickets.

P.S : please note the criteria before trying to bring up another debate about his CT final performance.
 
waleed88 said:
Most of them are closet supporters that dig stats up to defend performances like dropped catches, highest overs bowled by any bowler, then say to balance things out like no one says he doesn't deserve criticisim, and then use the word 'BUT' and then go 5-10 posts claiming he has done so much for country.

This my friend is a typical example of how 'Hamza Ali Abbasi' tries to defend everything wrong with his party with 'logic and reasoning' which makes no sense whatsoever and is self contradictory.
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Not interested in Hamza Ali Abbasi.

What you're talking about is how a discussion generally goes - people state their views and others argue for and against it. Not sure what the big deal is. Try making a thread and asking whether people are unhappy with Amir's general performances in Tests - I am quite sure that the result will be in the affirmative.
 
What he does on the field and the size of his body ..... are a huge Mismatch !!!!! To send down Thunderbolts, one
after another, is simply not possible. You can't fool Mother Nature ..... and the body sends the message to you by breaking down. He may come back after this Shin problem .... but then it will be something else !!!! Hope he understands that ..... or maybe someone else can explain it to him, for his sake !!!!!!
 
He was never the "saviour of Pakistan cricket" people touted him to be.

I wish PCB would have much rather invested in reintegrating Asif than the overhyped Amir
 
MenInG said:
you doubting the fact that he is injured?
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If you follow a proper exercise regimen to strengthen the different parts of your body, then it becomes more resistant to injuries.
 
Yup, he's a quitter, he even ran off during the league match in CT against India when he was getting a phainty
 
Amir has been the ONLY bowler in PAK who plays all three formats consistently.

Minus Hasan Ali who just started in Tests.

This shows he's being run into the ground. They should be giving him time off (and 3 T20s isn't enough!) before he breaks down completely.
 
kingusama92 said:
Amir has been the ONLY bowler in PAK who plays all three formats consistently.

Minus Hasan Ali who just started in Tests.

This shows he's being run into the ground. They should be giving him time off (and 3 T20s isn't enough!) before he breaks down completely.
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Yes and the most ineffective too, two things can't go hand in hand, he needs to be benched for his shoddy performances rather than 'given rest'
 
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