Does Mohammad Amir's improvement coincide with the shift of focus on Junaid Khan?

[MenInG]

I don't think Amir ever lost anything; I am convinced that the mental pressure to perform on every ball has given him problems.

The return of Junaid seems to have had an effect on Amir; It could be that he needed another partner to exert pressure or it could simply be the case that he is enjoying not being in the limelight for once in the last year or so.

A lot of this game is played in the head and who knows Junaid's arrival may return the old Amir back to us?

 

[JaDed]

Good for cricketing fans to at least a get a glimpse of how bowling pairs of Pakistan worked, Wahab and Amir weren't great in pairs but Amir-Junaid are also Wahab along with them could really be good to watch in Champ Trophy for neutrals.

Interesting times ahead hopefully Azhar is not the captain.

 

[Indiafan]

Other things which caused this improvement

1) white ball is swinging more initially

2) batsmen are trying to score instead of surviving

3) he is getting wickets at death

Otherwise I don't see much difference, junaid has more skills than amir

 

[MenInG]

Other things which caused this improvement

1) white ball is swinging more initially

2) batsmen are trying to score instead of surviving

3) he is getting wickets at death

Otherwise I don't see much difference, junaid has more skills than amir

The technical aspects are true and I am sure you are right. Sometimes the intangibles are ignored.

 

[Cricket World]

Difficult to judge till they both share new ball in a test match and apply sustained pressure in different match situations

 

[Varun]

Nothing to do with Junaid. Amir is an LoI specialist, he'll naturally perform better here than in the tests unless it's an utter green mamba.

 

[Indiafan]

The technical aspects are true and I am sure you are right. Sometimes the intangibles are ignored.

just to add numbers to my claim, in his last test series in australia in tests,he averaged 41.9 with asif and guls support and this time in tests he averaged 42.3.

Last time odi series in Australia he averaged 20.5. This time he is averaging 22.8 in odis so far.

So is it format or lack of support? The numbers for both series are very alike

 

[MenInG]

Nothing to do with Junaid. Amir is an LoI specialist, he'll naturally perform better here than in the tests unless it's an utter green mamba.

Fast bowlers hunt in pairs. Sometimes one guy creates the pressure and his partner reaps the reward.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

To be fair M.Amir is pick of the bowlers from both sides , easily out done M.Starc , the key here is the swing with the new ball which went missing in the Tests , May be hes made some technical adjustments etc , nothing to do with Junaid unless Junaid himself taught him to swing the ball.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Amir swung the ball just as much in tests. He just bowled a couple of feet short which made it easier to leave. He's taken a bit more risk in ODIs, attacking the stumps on a fuller length.

 

[Mamoon]

I don't see the improvement. Since his return, he has been mostly good in Limited Overs but poor in Tests.

I don't do the he is unlucky and his hypothetical average is x nonsense. He hasn't bowled well in Tests and has had no impact whatsoever.

Looking forward to see how he bowls in Tests in the future because that is where he has to improve.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

It's the format.

He is a good LOI bowler.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Spot on. I think he's had to bowl with poor bowlers in tests. Rahat, Imran and even Sohail are below average bowlers and will not even walk into a first class side outside of Pakistan. In ODI's, he's had better company in Junaid, Irfan and Hasan, who is proving with every match that he is a quality bowler.

 

[Kaka4pope]

no doubt our LOI pace attack is more 'skillful' than the test one of recent months - this is not to write off Sohail/Wahab....Hasan/Junaid alongside Amir, I feel have more craft.

Whether Junaid's presence has helped specifically, hard to say...interview with one or both soon would be nice

We seem to stay in attack mode far longer in ODI's, whereas in tests, we put the breaks on very early - no longer pushing the batsman to straight drive...

 

[waleed88]

Mohammad Amir hasn't improved, he looks a much better bowler in swinging conditions (when bowling into the breeze) and in Side Matches.. but usually struggles to get any big batsman out (except Warner and Smith in the first game).. he also looks clueless on flat wickets, and in Test Matches (where his negative line reaps no rewards)

Junaid is pretty similar as well.. they're not winning us any matches unless we can bat or chase down 300 runs which is highly unlikely..

We will most likely rely on a moral victory (we gave them a tough fight), battled till the end

 

[waleed88]

If picking up 2-3 wickets is improvement, then I don't know what will happen when Amir gets a 5'fer.. which he hasn't got in any format since coming back over a year ago

 

[waleed88]

Spot on. I think he's had to bowl with poor bowlers in tests. Rahat, Imran and even Sohail are below average bowlers and will not even walk into a first class side outside of Pakistan. In ODI's, he's had better company in Junaid, Irfan and Hasan, who is proving with every match that he is a quality bowler.

I think these poor bowlers bowled better than Amir in most Test Matches they played together..

 

[Fahdi]

I just feel Amir is a much better LO bowler than a test bowler.

 

[Indiafan]

Spot on. I think he's had to bowl with poor bowlers in tests. Rahat, Imran and even Sohail are below average bowlers and will not even walk into a first class side outside of Pakistan. In ODI's, he's had better company in Junaid, Irfan and Hasan, who is proving with every match that he is a quality bowler.

You are ignoring that he averaged same with Asif and Gul in tests in last Aussie tour and he did well in ODIs in last Aussie tour as well (stats in post 7)? This is just another excuse about Amir

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Improvement?

He has been phenomenal in the ODI format since his return. It's the test match arena where he has had issues and drop catches.

 

[ExpressPacer]

You are ignoring that he averaged same with Asif and Gul in tests in last Aussie tour and he did well in ODIs in last Aussie tour as well (stats in post 7)? This is just another excuse about Amir

Yes. It is an interesting statistic but I would like to see him bowling with better bowlers in Australia now and then form an opinion because he is a different bowler altogether. However, I must agree you are right. He had able company in Gul and Asif.

 

[Syed1]

Improvement?

He has been phenomenal in the ODI format since his return. It's the test match arena where he has had issues and drop catches.

In test matches he has bowlers like Imran, Rahat, Sohail and aggressive Wahab to partner him. You can even bring Wasim in Amir's place and he would struggle.

 

[Hasan123]

He looks good in odis, bowling with Rahat and Wahab doesn't help but he bowled poorly at times in tests. Still would stick with him in tests.

 

[Sherlock]

He still has an issue of swing later on in the innings. I cannot believe they haven't fixed his wrist positioning since the England tour.

 

[waleed88]

In test matches he has bowlers like Imran, Rahat, Sohail and aggressive Wahab to partner him. You can even bring Wasim in Amir's place and he would struggle.

Wasim Akram had Ata-ur-Rehman and Aqib Javed at one point, and he won the WC with the latter

 

[Syed1]

Wasim Akram had Ata-ur-Rehman and Aqib Javed at one point, and he won the WC with the latter

Aqib Javed wipes the floor with each of those names I listed.

 

[pacesensation]

Other things which caused this improvement

1) white ball is swinging more initially

2) batsmen are trying to score instead of surviving

3) he is getting wickets at death

Otherwise I don't see much difference, junaid has more skills than amir

because he is bowling better thats why they are not trying to score off him.

he got two wickets at start in first odi
dismissed marsh who is not a tail ender, dismissed khawaja in 3rd odi, all these guys are frontline batters


white ball was swinging the same at england but he did not look that menacing



for the most part, you are wrong.



Regards

 

[pacesensation]

because he is bowling better thats why they are not trying to score off him.

he got two wickets at start in first odi
dismissed marsh who is not a tail ender, dismissed khawaja in 3rd odi, all these guys are frontline batters


white ball was swinging the same at england but he did not look that menacing



for the most part, you are wrong.



Regards

[MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION]
Sorry ignore that first post ie i said because he is bowling well thats why they are not trying to score of him

You said "batsmen are trying to score instead of surviving"

In odis batsmen will always try to score runs. In odis against england, batsmen were trying to score runs of him there too but he did not have that kind of impact

Regards

 

[waleed88]

Aqib Javed wipes the floor with each of those names I listed.

Aqib Javed was like Sohail Khan on swinging wickets, but a trundler on unsupporting tracks, he's been taken apart for alot in those conditions

 

[Ami]

Come on guys stats pre 2010 are irrelevant...he was a kid then and after a gap of 6 years, only his performances since his come back should be looked at.
He's been ok...and i feel he is gonna get better...i dont prescribe to the belief that he has lost it.
Just like Junaid hasnt..and keeping fingers crossed for Hasan Ali and feet well away for Wahab.
Rest, with Rahat, Sohail and Imran Khan...not up to standard.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Aqib Javed was like Sohail Khan on swinging wickets, but a trundler on unsupporting tracks, he's been taken apart for alot in those conditions

Aaqib was better than any current Pakistani bowler in ODIs. Bowled beautifully in Australia and has 7 wickets in a match in Sharjah.

 

[waleed88]

Aaqib was better than any current Pakistani bowler in ODIs. Bowled beautifully in Australia and has 7 wickets in a match in Sharjah.

In those days 200 used to be a winning score in Sharjah

 

[Idrees1990]

Other things which caused this improvement

1) white ball is swinging more initially

2) batsmen are trying to score instead of surviving

3) he is getting wickets at death

Otherwise I don't see much difference, junaid has more skills than amir

He is successful because he is bowling within stumps at fuller lenght compare to tests, where he was too short with the ball. He could've atleast had 4 wickets yesterday because he was swinging crazy at good lenght but bad luck for missing the edges.

Junaid doesn't swing the ball, he basically hitting the seam hard at the right lenght and generating seam movement and gets wickets.

 

[Mr bloach]

200 still enough for our bowlers to defend if they dnt let go batsmen off the hook
if junaid hadnt overstepped and umpire had hiven smith out or pakistan had reviewd , there were chances of hetting australia out under 200.

 

[jeetu]

Not much statistical difference between the two in Test and ODI.

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[tr][td] Amir [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]4w [/td][td]5w [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Tests [/td][td]25 [/td][td]81 [/td][td]33.72 [/td][td]3.09 [/td][td]65.3 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ODIs [/td][td]27 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]4.63 [/td][td]32.3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]T20Is [/td][td]31 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]23.79 [/td][td]7.03 [/td][td]20.2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] Junaid [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]4w [/td][td]5w [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Tests [/td][td]22 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]31.73 [/td][td]2.93 [/td][td]64.8 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ODIs [/td][td]54 [/td][td]81 [/td][td]27.71 [/td][td]5.29 [/td][td]31.4 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]T20Is [/td][td]9 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]29.5 [/td][td]8.74 [/td][td]20.2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[itsme]

because he is bowling better thats why they are not trying to score off him.

he got two wickets at start in first odi
dismissed marsh who is not a tail ender, dismissed khawaja in 3rd odi, all these guys are frontline batters


white ball was swinging the same at england but he did not look that menacing



for the most part, you are wrong.



Regards

Why even argue with a guy who thinks junaid is better than amir

 

[waleed88]

Why even argue with a guy who thinks junaid is better than amir

The guy has bowled on flat wickets and has a similar average to Amir, who's played on supporting tracks whenever he's bowled (until now).. Junaid is superior to Amir in the longest format. Makes sense, Junaid is better than Amir

 

[Bilal7]

I always backed them to bowl together and everyone can see that they're forming a very good partnership for Pakistan. If we can get Riaz or Irfan coming first change after them, along with Imad and Hafeez keeping the runs down, we can get close to our highs of 2011-2013 when we had the best attack in the world.

 

[Tekcirc]

Amir was always decent in LOI but was just mediocre in tests and that reflects very well in his stats of last year!