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Shaheen is the best new ball bowler in the T20 format. His ability to take wickets with the new ball is unparalleled. In this age of high scoring, Naseem's economy rate of 7.29 is highly impressive. Mohammad Amir has a proven track record in this format, and his record is phenomenal. He averages less than 18 and has an economy rate of 7.

Shadab Khan was magnificent in the two T20 World Cups he featured in. The fans should not blend his ODI performance with his T20 capabilities. Imad Wasim is an outstanding defensive spinner. His economy rate of 6.27 ranks amongst the finest in T20 history. And now Pakistan have unearthed a mystery spinner in form of Abrar Ahmed.

There's no other team that possesses top tier prowess in both the pace and spin departments.
 
we need to test this line up against good full strength teams

we always get over excited before every world cup by playing C/D teams
and then get humiliated in world cup vs full strength teams
 
Rohit Sharma, Gill, Kohli and co will expose this bowling attack in 5 minutes. Shahen's repetitive predictable full pitched ins wingers will be dispatched to all corners of the ground and Shadab's full tosses and half trackers will be smashed as well. Don't be fooled by performances against C, D level players.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Shaheen is the best new ball bowler in the T20 format. His ability to take wickets with the new ball is unparalleled. In this age of high scoring, Naseem's economy rate of 7.29 is highly impressive. Mohammad Amir has a proven track record in this format, and his record is phenomenal. He averages less than 18 and has an economy rate of 7.

Shadab Khan was magnificent in the two T20 World Cups he featured in. The fans should not blend his ODI performance with his T20 capabilities. Imad Wasim is an outstanding defensive spinner. His economy rate of 6.27 ranks amongst the finest in T20 history. And now Pakistan have unearthed a mystery spinner in form of Abrar Ahmed.

There's no other team that possesses top tier prowess in both the pace and spin departments.
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I'll address all your points assuming you're being genuinely serious rn.

1) Shaheen today was bowling at 131, any good attack will eat him alive. Gone are the days where he was bowling that killer inswing at 140+. Secondly even in his prime he was a bamg average middle and death ball bowler although recently he's improved with yorkers.

But this pace will get exposed like it did last year.

2) Naseem seems out of it now, I'm hopeful but it seems he isn't the same, gone is his test line and length from what I saw last year.

3) Amir is the Smartest bowler and has tons of variations but atm I was t convinced or anything. Again the way all these 3 were bowling, they'll get exposed if they play quality teams.

Shadab Khan even today bowled full tosses like he did last year lol.

Only abrar seemed like he was genuinely solid and a good prospect.
 
Mohammad Amir's inclusion has definitely improved the bowling lineup but you can't judge after a one match playing against a second tier team.
 
One of the best for sure. Shaheen, Amir, Naseem is an outstanding pace attack. All three can bowl at any stage of the innings and are great new ball bowlers. I wouldn't sleep on Abrar Ahmed either who is highly talented. Shadab, for all his drawbacks is an excellent T20 bowler and Imad is an elite T20 bowler as well.

And this has nothing to do with their performance in this match or even this series.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
One of the best for sure. Shaheen, Amir, Naseem is an outstanding pace attack. All three can bowl at any stage of the innings and are great new ball bowlers. I wouldn't sleep on Abrar Ahmed either who is highly talented. Shadab, for all his drawbacks is an excellent T20 bowler and Imad is an elite T20 bowler as well.

And this has nothing to do with their performance in this match or even this series.
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With Shadab, Imad is there to come in / make sure he doesn’t get too comfy so that’s fine.

On paper that’s one fine attack, why are women crying today about Shaheen etc ?

Abrar is a special talent, just need to use him carefully and ensure he is protected a bit with other formats in mind
 
On paper, it’s very good but not one of the best.

Depends on how each of them respond under pressure.

Our batting more than stinks up the place though, absolute rubbish compared to the rest of the teams.
 
not this again, didnt pak fans learn anything from the last world cup lol. until pak have a world class spinner this bowling line up will always be second tier.
 
shaz619 said:
With Shadab, Imad is there to come in / make sure he doesn’t get too comfy so that’s fine.

On paper that’s one fine attack, why are women crying today about Shaheen etc ?

Abrar is a special talent, just need to use him carefully and ensure he is protected a bit with other formats in mind
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Shaheen has been off-color since coming back from injury but its ludicrous to write him off, which I feel like alot of fans were doing. I think the criticism stemmed from the unrealistically high expectations Shaheen had created with his almost guaranteed first over wicket. And to be fair, he has been far from his best post-2022

Shaheen strikes me as an alpha though. The kind of player who is just waiting for you to write him off and treat him badly (like PCB has recently), so he has that chip on his shoulder and a reason to prove everyone wrong.

Yeah I agree re: Abrar. I think going into the World Cup he should not be exposed too much, especially against big teams. I think he still has an element of being a mystery spinner that Pakistan can use to their advantage if they are smart.
 
I just consider Naseem and Amir good for Pakistan, SSA still needs to get back in his groove.
 
ElRaja said:
not this again, didnt pak fans learn anything from the last world cup lol. until pak have a world class spinner this bowling line up will always be second tier.
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T20 and ODI are different formats. Shadab had flopped in the WC but he had displayed top-class performances in both of the T20 World Cups that he featured in.
 
In 2022 on those early season extremely spicy Australian pitches guys like Haris Rauf looked like million bucks. Still went for few runs in some situations. Now the pace i saw in highlights look remotely close to those speeds. Mostly touching mid 130s at best for Shaheen. What happened?
 
It is a good bowling line up and there is considerable batting deapth too.. Overall much improved team ..If bowlers remain in top form they can win the championship..
 
jnaveen1980 said:
In 2022 on those early season extremely spicy Australian pitches guys like Haris Rauf looked like million bucks. Still went for few runs in some situations. Now the pace i saw in highlights look remotely close to those speeds. Mostly touching mid 130s at best for Shaheen. What happened?
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Shaheens speeds in PSL and international cricket vary.
 
Against any type of quality, our bowling as been exposed again and again for mediocrity it is. It's definitely not the strongest and has been said, you need top line spinners which we lack.
 
The 3 pacers + Abrar and Shadab look a really good combo.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Shaheen has been off-color since coming back from injury but its ludicrous to write him off, which I feel like alot of fans were doing. I think the criticism stemmed from the unrealistically high expectations Shaheen had created with his almost guaranteed first over wicket. And to be fair, he has been far from his best post-2022

Shaheen strikes me as an alpha though. The kind of player who is just waiting for you to write him off and treat him badly (like PCB has recently), so he has that chip on his shoulder and a reason to prove everyone wrong.

Yeah I agree re: Abrar. I think going into the World Cup he should not be exposed too much, especially against big teams. I think he still has an element of being a mystery spinner that Pakistan can use to their advantage if they are smart.
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Shaheen has been carrying Pakistan on his back, on one leg. His management could be better but he has given everything to Pakistan. I thought he was terrific in the WC to with the loss of his partner and him not being at his best but still kept Pakistan ticking over. He is a little more sensible now with his bowling, and he has to be, because the PCB are not going to take care of him. But his dedication shouldn't be questioned and there is enough guile and skill there, when not at full tilt with his speeds, as Pont said, losing the swing is more catastrophic, but as Asif said, a fish doesn't forget how to swim. Shaheen could also have been all Hulk Hogan about Amir, but instead he was like Bret, bringing in Amir back into the fold and supporting his return for Pakistan's greater interest, a real leader.
 
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With a specialist spinner in Abrar, the bowling line up certainly gives more confidence. Still far from the #1 tag though
 
shaz619 said:
Shaheen has been carrying Pakistan on his back, on one leg. His management could be better but he has given everything to Pakistan. I thought he was terrific in the WC to with the loss of his partner and him not being at his best but still kept Pakistan ticking over. He is a little more sensible now with his bowling, and he has to be, because the PCB are not going to take care of him. But his dedication shouldn't be questioned and there is enough guile and skill there, when not at full tilt with his speeds, as Pont said, losing the swing is more catastrophic, but as Asif said, a fish doesn't forget how to swim. Shaheen could also have been all Hulk Hogan about Amir, but instead he was like Bret, bringing in Amir back into the fold and supporting his return for Pakistan's greater interest, a real leader.
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Personally, I thought his WC performance was disappointing. He just didn't deliver when it mattered with the new ball. He took alot of wickets at the death outsmarting batters but that new ball bite was not there. And it cost us big against Afghanistan. But since then, I think he has only gotten better and who knows maybe he will evolve into something even better. But his form aside, I can't understate how important Shaheen Shah Afridi is to the future of Pakistan's cricket. Not just as a player, but also as a public figure that people can look up to. Our cricket needs hard-nosed, mentally tough personalities that don't care about ruffling feathers. I have no doubt that he is destined for greatness and if he does end up achieving those heights than he will have an even bigger responsibility to be a mentor and a role model for Pakistan's next generation of fast-bowlers.

I am actually glad that Afridi is his father-in-law because with a master politician like Lala by his side he might be able to navigate the toxic world of Pakistan cricket more smartly and diplomatically. He will probably give some good advice to Shaheen and may have been the one who stopped Shaheen from making a public statement after all this too.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Personally, I thought his WC performance was disappointing. He just didn't deliver when it mattered with the new ball. He took alot of wickets at the death outsmarting batters but that new ball bite was not there. And it cost us big against Afghanistan. But since then, I think he has only gotten better and who knows maybe he will evolve into something even better. But his form aside, I can't understate how important Shaheen Shah Afridi is to the future of Pakistan's cricket. Not just as a player, but also as a public figure that people can look up to. Our cricket needs hard-nosed, mentally tough personalities that don't care about ruffling feathers. I have no doubt that he is destined for greatness and if he does end up achieving those heights than he will have an even bigger responsibility to be a mentor and a role model for Pakistan's next generation of fast-bowlers.

I am actually glad that Afridi is his father-in-law because with a master politician like Lala by his side he might be able to navigate the toxic world of Pakistan cricket more smartly and diplomatically. He will probably give some good advice to Shaheen and may have been the one who stopped Shaheen from making a public statement after all this too.
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In the context of his fitness and the whole in Pakistan's attack, it was a lion hearted effort and world class outing, the expectations are very very high on him but he was in a difficult position to, but to me it proved his elite mentality. He risked his life and career against Afghanistan, but the team were poor overall. I've seen enough during that tournament, that I was sure he still got it, and he can just continue to build. Agree on the future stuff and he ought to be careful with Afridi to and use his own brain as well
 
Such threads appear when weakened oppositions are played.

Similar threads also appeared after continuously playing the likes of WI, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe creating false hope.

Shaheen - turned into a medium pacer, he has lost his X factor. He has been taken apart too often.

Amir - Will breakdown soon.

Nadeem Shah - Decent but only just returning to the side

Shadab - Got belted all around the last 6 months
 
RyanRyan10 said:
T20 and ODI are different formats. Shadab had flopped in the WC but he had displayed top-class performances in both of the T20 World Cups that he featured in.
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shadab is miles off of that bowler, full tosses and drag downs in every spell hes bowled over the last year or so
 
We have had one of the strongest T20 attacks for quite sometime.

Despite our batting not performing as well as some other batting units we managed to make it to a semi final and then a year later made it into a final. Even during the final, we were near a 50/50 position when Shaheen got injured and did not get to complete half his quota.
 
160KPH said:
Our T20 bowlers performed great in the 2021 and 2022 WC’s.
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Yes but shaheen's pace was up, unless he was bowling slow deliberately yesterday, 131kph isn't bothering strong teams.

Naseem I'm the most disappointed with and this is coming from his biggest fan, for someone who I claimed is the best in line and length, he was all over the place yesterday.

Amir, idk, too early to tell, he's still the Smartest bowler but pace was am issue, although he did bowl 140, again idk we'll see.

Abrar was cheetah, shabash boy.

As for shadab, bro I kept telling you he's bad, ik you wanna look at 2021 and 2022, but in 2023 he was atecoious to the point he isn't even part timer level, dude was bowling full tosses and half trackers. Yes he got aodhi out but this is a club team honestly, he'll get pelted. Lad is badly badly out of it.
 
When on song, SSA fix & Naseem are lethal bowlers, that 12 tough overs out of 20, if Abrar also turns up thats 4 more good overs
 
mominsaigol said:
Wow, actually agree. Zindabad buddy.
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Only thing is, he'll probably replace one of your favourites, Imad 😜

I don't see how both plus Shadab can fit into the same line up. A genuine spinner is a must
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but shaheen's pace was up, unless he was bowling slow deliberately yesterday, 131kph isn't bothering strong teams.

Naseem I'm the most disappointed with and this is coming from his biggest fan, for someone who I claimed is the best in line and length, he was all over the place yesterday.

Amir, idk, too early to tell, he's still the Smartest bowler but pace was am issue, although he did bowl 140, again idk we'll see.

Abrar was cheetah, shabash boy.

As for shadab, bro I kept telling you he's bad, ik you wanna look at 2021 and 2022, but in 2023 he was atecoious to the point he isn't even part timer level, dude was bowling full tosses and half trackers. Yes he got aodhi out but this is a club team honestly, he'll get pelted. Lad is badly badly out of it.
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I agree with all of your concerns.

Although, Shaheen did have some of his pace back in the PSL and he bowled 145 a few times. If his pace remains down then u would also he worried. But today the slow balls were doing much more and many of the wickets were coming off of medium pace and the variation so I’m not that worried yet.

Naseem Shah will be fine. He hasn’t played much intentional cricket in a while. Some of the balls were great and his pace is there, the consistency will return as he plays more.

If Abrar is playing well then Shadab’s bowling matters less as Iftikhar and Saim can contribute a couple of overs. We have to wait and see though, I think he will be fine. Shadab’s batting was quite good during the PSL, he was just the player of the tournament, and today he got us a wicket with his brilliant fielding that almost no other Pakistani player would’ve gotten.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but shaheen's pace was up, unless he was bowling slow deliberately yesterday, 131kph isn't bothering strong teams.

Naseem I'm the most disappointed with and this is coming from his biggest fan, for someone who I claimed is the best in line and length, he was all over the place yesterday.

Amir, idk, too early to tell, he's still the Smartest bowler but pace was am issue, although he did bowl 140, again idk we'll see.

Abrar was cheetah, shabash boy.

As for shadab, bro I kept telling you he's bad, ik you wanna look at 2021 and 2022, but in 2023 he was atecoious to the point he isn't even part timer level, dude was bowling full tosses and half trackers. Yes he got aodhi out but this is a club team honestly, he'll get pelted. Lad is badly badly out of it.
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Also Shaheen’s 2nd ball that took a wicket was at 138 and with that kind of movement, it would trouble any right handed batsmen.
 
Pak has the strongest bowling attack for T20 games by a fair margin.

Don't think any other team can match the quality, skills and experience of the top 5 bowlers.

The quality of first choice bowlers of most teams are bench warmers in Pak team. :inti
 
daytrader said:
Only thing is, he'll probably replace one of your favourites, Imad 😜

I don't see how both plus Shadab can fit into the same line up. A genuine spinner is a must
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Shadab yesterday was bowling full tosses and half trackers, he's terrible, deal with it
 
160KPH said:
I agree with all of your concerns.

Although, Shaheen did have some of his pace back in the PSL and he bowled 145 a few times. If his pace remains down then u would also he worried. But today the slow balls were doing much more and many of the wickets were coming off of medium pace and the variation so I’m not that worried yet.

Naseem Shah will be fine. He hasn’t played much intentional cricket in a while. Some of the balls were great and his pace is there, the consistency will return as he plays more.

If Abrar is playing well then Shadab’s bowling matters less as Iftikhar and Saim can contribute a couple of overs. We have to wait and see though, I think he will be fine. Shadab’s batting was quite good during the PSL, he was just the player of the tournament, and today he got us a wicket with his brilliant fielding that almost no other Pakistani player would’ve gotten.
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Chacha is a god awful bowler and this saim narrative will be exposed, saim can't even bowl properly to washed up old burnt out cricketers?

Then why do we even need shadab if his bowling matters less and less? Add imad in, or replace shadab with abass afridi.

His batting narrative will also be badly exposed.
 
160KPH said:
Also Shaheen’s 2nd ball that took a wicket was at 138 and with that kind of movement, it would trouble any right handed batsmen.
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Any good batsmen would Block it, its a good ball but only a c string loser debutant would try to cross bat it.

I saw shaheen yesterday, he wasn't able to hit it in consistently, good batsmen will wait for him to short pitch which he often does and was doing yesterday.

Tbh he's improved as a death bowler though.
 
mominsaigol said:
Any good batsmen would Block it, its a good ball but only a c string loser debutant would try to cross bat it.

I saw shaheen yesterday, he wasn't able to hit it in consistently, good batsmen will wait for him to short pitch which he often does and was doing yesterday.

Tbh he's improved as a death bowler though.
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You’re over exaggerating how bad it was. Shaheen bowled 3.1 overs for 3/13 and we bowled the team out for 90.
mominsaigol said:
Chacha is a god awful bowler and this saim narrative will be exposed, saim can't even bowl properly to washed up old burnt out cricketers?

Then why do we even need shadab if his bowling matters less and less? Add imad in, or replace shadab with abass afridi.

His batting narrative will also be badly exposed.
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Shadab performances also dramatically lifts up in tournaments compared to bilateral series.

Neither Saim or Iftikhar have to bowl a full 4 overs. Iftikhar has a 6.90 economy which is perfectly fine to bowl an over or two if called upon.
 
The bowling line-up looks pretty strong I must say. But 1 thing that concerns me is a good spinner. Abrar looked good so he is fine, what about Shadab, he was still not bowling that channel a leg-spinner is supposed to bowl. But overall, best possible bowling line-up we have atm.
 
160KPH said:
You’re over exaggerating how bad it was. Shaheen bowled 3.1 overs for 3/13 and we bowled the team out for 90.

Shadab performances also dramatically lifts up in tournaments compared to bilateral series.

Neither Saim or Iftikhar have to bowl a full 4 overs. Iftikhar has a 6.90 economy which is perfectly fine to bowl an over or two if called upon.
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Brother, you have no idea how hurt I am.

Yesterday after watching thr game I realised how wrong and right I was on everything.

1) Saim ayub got put by closing the face of the bat early before he could play tue pull shot. I've seen this kid constantly get out on these types of shots, meaning he's double minded and doesn't understand or can't make up his mind on shot selection. He won't succeed like this and I use to forward him.

2) Babar looked out of it, completly out of it.

3) Rizwan got put 3x technically, one was a lucky lbw decison, the other 2 tines he edged it into the air but it landed safely.

4) UK looked like a tail ender

5) Irfan Khan looked as if he was giving a calculus exam cause he couldn't read sodhi level spinners?

6) Shaheen has terrible pace that will be exposed, the 3 wickets won't matter, I've seen this nonsense happen 24/7, in cups writing is all on the wall.

7) Naseem who I advocated as pur pinnacle bowler was all over the place.

8) Amir is still a smart bowler but he gave me has been vibes.

9) Shadab's and chacha's bowling is hilarious

10) Only abrar gave me class vibes.

I don't know how to feel about the team anymore 😭😭. How can I make suggestions if every suggestion fails 💀. Really disappointed with this team. This team is only slightly superior to 2022 but much much wesker then our 2021 team where babar and shaheen were more in form and fakhsr came good in crunch stages smh.
 
mominsaigol said:
Brother, you have no idea how hurt I am.

Yesterday after watching thr game I realised how wrong and right I was on everything.

1) Saim ayub got put by closing the face of the bat early before he could play tue pull shot. I've seen this kid constantly get out on these types of shots, meaning he's double minded and doesn't understand or can't make up his mind on shot selection. He won't succeed like this and I use to forward him.

2) Babar looked out of it, completly out of it.

3) Rizwan got put 3x technically, one was a lucky lbw decison, the other 2 tines he edged it into the air but it landed safely.

4) UK looked like a tail ender

5) Irfan Khan looked as if he was giving a calculus exam cause he couldn't read sodhi level spinners?

6) Shaheen has terrible pace that will be exposed, the 3 wickets won't matter, I've seen this nonsense happen 24/7, in cups writing is all on the wall.

7) Naseem who I advocated as pur pinnacle bowler was all over the place.

8) Amir is still a smart bowler but he gave me has been vibes.

9) Shadab's and chacha's bowling is hilarious

10) Only abrar gave me class vibes.

I don't know how to feel about the team anymore 😭😭. How can I make suggestions if every suggestion fails 💀. Really disappointed with this team. This team is only slightly superior to 2022 but much much wesker then our 2021 team where babar and shaheen were more in form and fakhsr came good in crunch stages smh.
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Don’t worry brother, T20 is a game of ups and downs.

We’ll have a better idea once the whole series is played. I question Usman Khan’s batting technique but I still have hope he’ll come good. Have faith in your picks
 
mominsaigol said:
Brother, you have no idea how hurt I am.

Yesterday after watching thr game I realised how wrong and right I was on everything.

1) Saim ayub got put by closing the face of the bat early before he could play tue pull shot. I've seen this kid constantly get out on these types of shots, meaning he's double minded and doesn't understand or can't make up his mind on shot selection. He won't succeed like this and I use to forward him.

2) Babar looked out of it, completly out of it.

3) Rizwan got put 3x technically, one was a lucky lbw decison, the other 2 tines he edged it into the air but it landed safely.

4) UK looked like a tail ender

5) Irfan Khan looked as if he was giving a calculus exam cause he couldn't read sodhi level spinners?

6) Shaheen has terrible pace that will be exposed, the 3 wickets won't matter, I've seen this nonsense happen 24/7, in cups writing is all on the wall.

7) Naseem who I advocated as pur pinnacle bowler was all over the place.

8) Amir is still a smart bowler but he gave me has been vibes.

9) Shadab's and chacha's bowling is hilarious

10) Only abrar gave me class vibes.

I don't know how to feel about the team anymore 😭😭. How can I make suggestions if every suggestion fails 💀. Really disappointed with this team. This team is only slightly superior to 2022 but much much wesker then our 2021 team where babar and shaheen were more in form and fakhsr came good in crunch stages smh.
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Inshallah Saim + Usman Khan dual centuries coming tomorrow :rizwan
 
160KPH said:
Don’t worry brother, T20 is a game of ups and downs.

We’ll have a better idea once the whole series is played. I question Usman Khan’s batting technique but I still have hope he’ll come good. Have faith in your picks
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My picks were

1) Abrar (Only one who has come good, getting rid of 2 players who are in NZ A string)

2) Naseem (Really disappointed yesterday)

3) Shaheen (His line and length is superior now, but his pace is dreadful)

4) Saim (Why can't he kick off after 15 tries?)

5) UK (I'm giving it time, he only played 4 balls in international so far)

6) Amir (He's always been the Smartest bowler, but I am worried a bit.)

^^ Problem is none of the bowlers besides abrar got me to shake of the feeling of being jas beens or burnt out.

And the batting line up was beyond pedestrian.

Edit: Imad as well but he didn't play yet so no opinions atm.
 
160KPH said:
Inshallah Saim + Usman Khan dual centuries coming tomorrow :rizwan
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I hope so, Ugh I hate it when my future insight is proving wrong.

I did this for Abdullah and saud as well before the cup 🤦🏻‍♂️. Although I still forward saud and am keeping fingers crossed. Abdullah I don't forward anymore, he has disappointed me for the last time 😭.
 
mominsaigol said:
My picks were

1) Abrar (Only one who has come good, getting rid of 2 players who are in NZ A string)

2) Naseem (Really disappointed yesterday)

3) Shaheen (His line and length is superior now, but his pace is dreadful)

4) Saim (Why can't he kick off after 15 tries?)

5) UK (I'm giving it time, he only played 4 balls in international so far)

6) Amir (He's always been the Smartest bowler, but I am worried a bit.)

^^ Problem is none of the bowlers besides abrar got me to shake of the feeling of being jas beens or burnt out.

And the batting line up was beyond pedestrian.

Edit: Imad as well but he didn't play yet so no opinions atm.
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When it comes to batting I’d to see them actually set a total or chase a total, I doubt they very motivated chasing 90 knowing they would get it easily.

When it comes to bowlers I have no clue how it’ll work out. I still have faith in Shaheen + Naseem. Our bowlers are also probably not super motivated for such a series considering they were getting wickets so easily.
 
160KPH said:
When it comes to batting I’d to see them actually set a total or chase a total, I doubt they very motivated chasing 90 knowing they would get it easily.

When it comes to bowlers I have no clue how it’ll work out. I still have faith in Shaheen + Naseem. Our bowlers are also probably not super motivated for such a series considering they were getting wickets so easily.
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Why did they bowl first? On a pindi pitch? Makes zero sense
 
Right up there with South Africa.

Australia, NZ, Eng, Ind are behind the two teams in green.

If pitches are two paced and offer turn, Afghanistan is another bowling attack to keep an eye on.
 
mominsaigol said:
I hope so, Ugh I hate it when my future insight is proving wrong.

I did this for Abdullah and saud as well before the cup 🤦🏻‍♂️. Although I still forward saud and am keeping fingers crossed. Abdullah I don't forward anymore, he has disappointed me for the last time 😭.
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Maybe time to start supporting RizBar 😜
 
daytrader said:
Maybe time to start supporting RizBar 😜
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Huh? Me being wrong about saim doesn't mean I am going to support these 2 clowns.

I saw how Bobby was playing yesterday, so yeah no thanks.

Rizwan also got out like 3x, he got lucky with lbw, and 2 soft dismissals that he skyed in the air landed in no man's land.

Worst part is that these bowlers are beyond trash. The senior spinner sodhi is only good for getting a fakhar beating.

This team is getting cremated with babar and rizwan getting exposed for the millionth time in this cup. These 2 are struggling against club players?
 
mominsaigol said:
Huh? Me being wrong about saim doesn't mean I am going to support these 2 clowns.

I saw how Bobby was playing yesterday, so yeah no thanks.

Rizwan also got out like 3x, he got lucky with lbw, and 2 soft dismissals that he skyed in the air landed in no man's land.

Worst part is that these bowlers are beyond trash. The senior spinner sodhi is only good for getting a fakhar beating.

This team is getting cremated with babar and rizwan getting exposed for the millionth time in this cup. These 2 are struggling against club players?
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Apparently Rizwan took down a great New Zealand side hahahahahahaha
 
Rana said:
Apparently Rizwan took down a great New Zealand side hahahahahahaha
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I wanna experiment with fakhar, Saim and UK at the top. If they fail they fail, but it's better to experiment with players who can strike > 140.

Literally the charts show that Pakistan don't have any 140sr players while Australia have 7, so basically the whole batting unit vs 0 from us.
 
mominsaigol said:
I wanna experiment with fakhar, Saim and UK at the top. If they fail they fail, but it's better to experiment with players who can strike > 140.

Literally the charts show that Pakistan don't have any 140sr players while Australia have 7, so basically the whole batting unit vs 0 from us.
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Experiment all games like that with Babar and Rizwan not in the picture.

These guys seem under pressure to do something with these two Panautis around them. It’s like they feel shackled.
 
Rana said:
Experiment all games like that with Babar and Rizwan not in the picture.

These guys seem under pressure to do something with these two Panautis around them. It’s like they feel shackled.
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We have 0 140 sr players because these 2 jokers at the top hog everything.

By the time everyone else gets in it's either hit out or get out or they come into a collapsed state where its impossible to strike at 140 sr.

These 2 clowns need to learn experimentation means experimentation and that means giving way to others in games where you're dealing with club cricketers.
 
Got exposed by a bunch of journeymen. Our bowling attack is mince and has been for a long time.
 
In t20 no team can claim "We have the best bowling attack". One slogger is enough to unravel it. Especially on a flat track it is all the more true.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
They didn't lose because of bowling. When Shadab can score quickly on this wicket then why not specialist batters?

Also to be noted that Amir didn't play today.
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Aye, but there was no pressure at all, NZ basically walked it. If they put some pressure on, there was a chance with the total needed.
 
Every country has a Chapman that loves to become Pakistan Bowler’s Slap Man

1 batter in each country loves to deck us
 
I'm really concerned about Shaheen!

Naseem and Amir can be trusted and will have an off day, but Shaheen has consistently been mediocre for some time and even in the PSL.

I don't see how Abrar is any better than Imad in this format.

Amir, Naseem and Imad definitely the key bowlers.

I'd have M. Ali or Abbas in place of Shaheen (if he keeps failing).

Have Shadab, Iftikhar and Saim bowl between them as 5th bowler.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
They didn't lose because of bowling. When Shadab can score quickly on this wicket then why not specialist batters?

Also to be noted that Amir didn't play today.
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It's a team game, they lost cause of everything. Naseem shah and shaheen being run machines didn't help either, as for Amir, blane the captain
 
They had to go easy on the C/D team.

An A-team kept trying hard to match the levels of a C/D team and were successful in the end. :inti
 
Also just to let you know, your OP asks the question if their the BEST IN THE WORLD, best in the world don't get pelted on a pindi pitch by a team that is stuck playing with one 1 or 2 A atrings
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They didn't lose because of bowling. When Shadab can score quickly on this wicket then why not specialist batters?

Also to be noted that Amir didn't play today
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It's a very mid attack in terms of pace and spin. No real venom in the bowling

But it's a very canny attack in terms of varying angles , speeds , bowling cutters etc.

Not much talent compared to other attacks but very entertaining to watch and they , led by Aamir, can do a job in T20's.

Opposing teams should be really wary.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's a very mid attack in terms of pace and spin. No real venom in the bowling

But it's a very canny attack in terms of varying angles , speeds , bowling cutters etc.

Not much talent compared to other attacks but very entertaining to watch and they , led by Aamir, can do a job in T20's.

Opposing teams should be really wary.
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unfortunately our spearhead sand bags, and nasim will take time to hit his stride. shaheen bowling 140+ if it ever happens again makes him top tier.

the real problem will always be the spinners, they are one dimensional and lack mental acumen. a little bit of analysis and you can predict how they will bowl.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's a very mid attack in terms of pace and spin. No real venom in the bowling

But it's a very canny attack in terms of varying angles , speeds , bowling cutters etc.

Not much talent compared to other attacks but very entertaining to watch and they , led by Aamir, can do a job in T20's.

Opposing teams should be really wary.
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All it takes is one outrageous innings to shift the balance in the batting team’s favor against any bowling attack, specially when the score is well below par.

Indian bowlers with all the talent and venom in their arsenal are getting smacked for record scores every other game.

Starc got smacked around by some no-name tail-ender yesterday, who almost won RCB the match with that onslaught.
 
ElRaja said:
unfortunately our spearhead sand bags, and nasim will take time to hit his stride. shaheen bowling 140+ if it ever happens again makes him top tier.

the real problem will always be the spinners, they are one dimensional and lack mental acumen. a little bit of analysis and you can predict how they will bowl.
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I don't think he is sand bagging. He really is struggling with his action and workload. Seeing this since Asia Cup.
 
Usman Chadda said:
All it takes is one outrageous innings to shift the balance in the batting team’s favor against any bowling attack, specially when the score is well below par.

Indian bowlers with all the talent and venom in their arsenal are getting smacked for record scores every other game.

Starc got smacked around by some no-name tail-ender yesterday, who almost won RCB the match with that onslaught.
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That's in IPL. This your first choice attack against a 2nd string NZ lineup.
 
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