"Don't need a tutorial from you of all people" : Ramiz Raja hits back at Shoaib Malik

[aloo paratha]

You forget that we have King Misbah as coach and selector and he seems adamant to select them after resting them for the tough overseas tour.

Well they were selected even when we had Inzimam as selector as well. Ideally, both should've been phased out of the team after CT2017, would've been the perfect farewell anyways.

 

[Usman]

Sorry to say, Bazid Khan is extremely boring and uninspiring. There is a reason why Rambo gets commentary gigs worldwide. Even Bazid will refer to Ramiz as more accomplished

Rambo is that you?

The reason Rambo gets the commentary gigs worldwide is simply because he's been on the scene longer than anyone else. He is therefore more experienced than Bazid but certainly not better.

Rambo benefits from the fact that he is fluent in English and started at a time where that was really rare in ex-Pakistani cricketers - it's still relatively rare now. He's banked on that alone his entire commentating career.

The fact of the matter is though that Rambo is a terrible analyst. Despite doing this for so long, he has no clue. His commentary is not the least bit insightful. He will either point out the obvious or say something which just isn't right.

You might find Bazid boring but he has a brain on his shoulders. He provides insight - something more than just "That's been driven down the ground". Sometimes you hear Bazid speak and learn something about a particular player or team. That NEVER happens with Rambo. Give me Bazid over Rambo any day of the week, month or year.

 

[Savak]

Rambo is that you?

The reason Rambo gets the commentary gigs worldwide is simply because he's been on the scene longer than anyone else. He is therefore more experienced than Bazid but certainly not better.

Rambo benefits from the fact that he is fluent in English and started at a time where that was really rare in ex-Pakistani cricketers - it's still relatively rare now. He's banked on that alone his entire commentating career.

The fact of the matter is though that Rambo is a terrible analyst. Despite doing this for so long, he has no clue. His commentary is not the least bit insightful. He will either point out the obvious or say something which just isn't right.

You might find Bazid boring but he has a brain on his shoulders. He provides insight - something more than just "That's been driven down the ground". Sometimes you hear Bazid speak and learn something about a particular player or team. That NEVER happens with Rambo. Give me Bazid over Rambo any day of the week, month or year.

Bazid speaks English very well as well, unfortunately he has a boring personality. Ramiz did survive for twenty two years just on the basis of his English alone, he learnt and developed his style and the fact 1.3 million people watch his YouTube channel proves that he is not just in demand purely by broadcasters.

Bazid has a lot to prove. His proposed 2019 ODI WC team told me all about his analysis

 

[Savak]

Rambo is that you?

The reason Rambo gets the commentary gigs worldwide is simply because he's been on the scene longer than anyone else. He is therefore more experienced than Bazid but certainly not better.

Rambo benefits from the fact that he is fluent in English and started at a time where that was really rare in ex-Pakistani cricketers - it's still relatively rare now. He's banked on that alone his entire commentating career.

The fact of the matter is though that Rambo is a terrible analyst. Despite doing this for so long, he has no clue. His commentary is not the least bit insightful. He will either point out the obvious or say something which just isn't right.

You might find Bazid boring but he has a brain on his shoulders. He provides insight - something more than just "That's been driven down the ground". Sometimes you hear Bazid speak and learn something about a particular player or team. That NEVER happens with Rambo. Give me Bazid over Rambo any day of the week, month or year.

Bazid speaks English very well as well, unfortunately he has a boring personality. Ramiz did survive for twenty two years just on the basis of his English alone, he learnt and developed his style and the fact 1.3 million people watch his YouTube channel proves that he is not just in demand purely by broadcasters.

Bazid has a lot to prove. His proposed 2019 ODI WC team told me all about his analysis

 

[silent ischemia]

It's Babar Azam to blame as well as he brought them back after the T20 loss in Australia.

 

[Zaz]

It's Babar Azam to blame as well as he brought them back after the T20 loss in Australia.

If you think the young captain has a say over misbah who is the coach and selector than your very obviously not very well informed

 

[BunnyRabbit]

1.3 million youtube subscribers say otherwise. Disagree with him all you want or critique his commentary but don't throw absurd comments like not a decent human being without any basis.

Shoaib has more than a million subscribers as well, guess that makes him pretty classy.
Someone who doesn't know how to conduct himself in public isn't very decent.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Rambo is that you?

The reason Rambo gets the commentary gigs worldwide is simply because he's been on the scene longer than anyone else. He is therefore more experienced than Bazid but certainly not better.

Rambo benefits from the fact that he is fluent in English and started at a time where that was really rare in ex-Pakistani cricketers - it's still relatively rare now. He's banked on that alone his entire commentating career.

The fact of the matter is though that Rambo is a terrible analyst. Despite doing this for so long, he has no clue. His commentary is not the least bit insightful. He will either point out the obvious or say something which just isn't right.

You might find Bazid boring but he has a brain on his shoulders. He provides insight - something more than just "That's been driven down the ground". Sometimes you hear Bazid speak and learn something about a particular player or team. That NEVER happens with Rambo. Give me Bazid over Rambo any day of the week, month or year.

He used to be fine till mid noughties but age has caught up with him. In addition to not having any competition of commentators from Pakistan has played some part in making him clumsy. For last few years. he's been way too cocky for a commentator.

 

[Usman]

Bazid speaks English very well as well, unfortunately he has a boring personality. Ramiz did survive for twenty two years just on the basis of his English alone, he learnt and developed his style and the fact 1.3 million people watch his YouTube channel proves that he is not just in demand purely by broadcasters.

Bazid has a lot to prove. His proposed 2019 ODI WC team told me all about his analysis

Whilst I agree that Rambo and Bazid have very different personalities, are you seriously telling me that Rambo is more insightful than Bazid? Or that Rambo provides any insight at all?

I have always felt the gold standard of commentating are Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton for their brilliant insight into a player's technique. Rambo in comparison is utterly clueless and anyone who denies it is kidding themselves. Whilst I don't pretend that Bazid equals Nasser or Atherton, he is easily the closest Pakistan has to Nasser or Atherton.

Even Wasim and Waqar, although generally poor commentators, provide some excellent technical analysis of bowlers.

Rambo offers none of this. His "analysis" is always very basic or just totally wrong. I cringe when a fellow commie says to Rambo, so tell me Rambo, what's happening in Pakistani domestic cricket. Rambo has NO IDEA. He always comes up with some made up rubbish.

As I say, just because someone has had a monopoly on Pakistani commentating and therefore is in demand etc doesn't make them any good. If you like Rambo's cringe worthy jokes and commentating then that's good for you. However is he a terrible commentator on any rational analysis.

He used to be fine till mid noughties but age has caught up with him. In addition to not having any competition of commentators from Pakistan has played some part in making him clumsy. For last few years. he's been way too cocky for a commentator.

I agree that his cockiness has gone up in recent times. I'm not sure however he was ever any good. He's always been very average and has just got worse with age.

 

[Markhor]

Rameez has gotten lazy for the last ten years. The lack of research, or even willingness to research and stay informed about your own players is appalling for a senior commentators.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Saj]

Rameez has gotten lazy for the last ten years. The lack of research, or even willingness to research and stay informed about your own players is appalling for a senior commentators.

And cheesy and slimey too.

Unfunny, strange and silly comments too.

No wonder Sky dropped him.

 

[Savak]

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Shoaib Malik was a miserable failure in the 2019 ODI WC as the senior player for Pakistan and his non-performance in the early games massively contributed to our ouster. In any other country he would have been dropped after that showing. What is the guarantee he will come good in the T-20 WC for Pakistan?

 

[Savak]

Shoaib has more than a million subscribers as well, guess that makes him pretty classy.
Someone who doesn't know how to conduct himself in public isn't very decent.

Ramiz we can all agree is much better groomed than Shoaib. 1.3 million subscribers means that a lot of people listen to him compared to other individuals.

 

[Saj]

Ramiz we can all agree is much better groomed than Shoaib. 1.3 million subscribers means that a lot of people listen to him compared to other individuals.

Here he goes again.

Expertise and knowledge is based on how many social media followers you have

 

[Savak]

Here he goes again.

Expertise and knowledge is based on how many social media followers you have

Why would so many people want to listen to you and watch your content if you didn't have expertise and knowledge?

 

[Saj]

Why would so many people want to listen to you and watch your content if you didn't have expertise and knowledge?

The number of social media followers does not mean you are more knowledgeable or intelligent than others.

You just don't seem to get it.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Shoaib Malik was a miserable failure in the 2019 ODI WC as the senior player for Pakistan and his non-performance in the early games massively contributed to our ouster. In any other country he would have been dropped after that showing. What is the guarantee he will come good in the T-20 WC for Pakistan?

Very weird argument.

Apart from Babar, which batsman is "guaranteed" to come good in the WT20?

Malik for all his failings has a mountain of experience/runs and is definitely a better batsman than Ifti chacha and Hafeez, atleast in T20s. We saw in the PSL that Malik single handedly rescued the Zalmi's batting on 2 occasions. Besides Malik/Imad have been finishing most of our games in recent times. He's also a very shrewd tactician and will give ample support to Babar on the field.

Do you really want to take a bunch of nobodies with Babar for the WT20?
We've already tried taking an inexperienced team for the AUS and SL tour. We both know how that turned out.

Surely we can't make the same mistake twice.

 

[BoredFromLifeXi]

Lol. Why Watson says this on twitter suddenly. Am I missing something, maybe Watson don't want to see Pakistan beating Australia in a WT20 Final in Australia.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Very weird argument.

Apart from Babar, which batsman is "guaranteed" to come good in the WT20?

Malik for all his failings has a mountain of experience/runs and is definitely a better batsman than Ifti chacha and Hafeez, atleast in T20s. We saw in the PSL that Malik single handedly rescued the Zalmi's batting on 2 occasions. Besides Malik/Imad have been finishing most of our games in recent times. He's also a very shrewd tactician and will give ample support to Babar on the field.

Do you really want to take a bunch of nobodies with Babar for the WT20?
We've already tried taking an inexperienced team for the AUS and SL tour. We both know how that turned out.

Surely we can't make the same mistake twice.

Whether Malik can come good or not, I don't get the hate for Ifti. Wasn't he the only batsman to show some fight in the Australia tour other than Babar? For me, Ifti is the only automatic choice in the team after Babar and Shaheen. There is a debate to be had on the rest of the batting order and even the bowlers. But not these 3

Building the batting order around these 2 would mean we need an opener to complement Babar and 3 middle order players of whom one can be Malik/Hafeez with the other 2 being players like Haider and Khushdil.

The lineup would look something like this:
Sharjeel
Babar
Haider
Zeeshan
Malik/Hafeez
Iftikhar
Khushdil

If you ask me, this is also the most probable lineup that Misbah will go with (assuming Sharjeel fittens himself up during this extended period of no cricket, otherwise Zeeshan or Kamran take the opener spot). And it's also the best one if I'm honest.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Whether Malik can come good or not, I don't get the hate for Ifti. Wasn't he the only batsman to show some fight in the Australia tour other than Babar? For me, Ifti is the only automatic choice in the team after Babar and Shaheen. There is a debate to be had on the rest of the batting order and even the bowlers. But not these 3

Building the batting order around these 2 would mean we need an opener to complement Babar and 3 middle order players of whom one can be Malik/Hafeez with the other 2 being players like Haider and Khushdil.

The lineup would look something like this:
Sharjeel
Babar
Haider
Zeeshan
Malik/Hafeez
Iftikhar
Khushdil

If you ask me, this is also the most probable lineup that Misbah will go with (assuming Sharjeel fittens himself up during this extended period of no cricket, otherwise Zeeshan or Kamran take the opener spot). And it's also the best one if I'm honest.

Don't get me wrong.

No hate for Ifti but he failed badly in PSL and is clearly out of form.

Surely he can't yet be compared to Malik who is vastly more experienced in all conditions and has almost 9000 T20 runs.

My ideal XI would be:

Sharjeel
Babar
Haider
Malik
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Shadab
Rizwan (unless Sarfraz can convince Misbah)
Amir
Shaheen
Haris

Reserves:
Hafeez
Fakhar
Zeeshan
Naseem
Umer Khan

 

[Zaz]

Don't get me wrong.

No hate for Ifti but he failed badly in PSL and is clearly out of form.

Surely he can't yet be compared to Malik who is vastly more experienced in all conditions and has almost 9000 T20 runs.

My ideal XI would be:

Sharjeel
Babar
Haider
Malik
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Shadab
Rizwan (unless Sarfraz can convince Misbah)
Amir
Shaheen
Haris

Reserves:
Hafeez
Fakhar
Zeeshan
Naseem
Umer Khan

Insanity


Theres no way malik should be going Hes the last person id pick for a tour to aus eng and sth africa No matter what his "experience"or form is like

The guy is dud where theres any pace bounce or swing

Do i have to dig up his stats in these countries?

 

[Abdullah719]

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[Thunderbolt14]

Don't get me wrong.

No hate for Ifti but he failed badly in PSL and is clearly out of form.

Yeah I don’t get that argument either? These are his scores in the tournament playing in the lower order with his role to play in the last 5-6 overs (meaning he faces 15-20 balls). He’s done fantastic if you ask me and Rambo’s right about Malik.

16* (3)
25 (18)
14 (15)
1 (2)
0* (0)
1 (4)
21 (17)

Sure he got run out for 1 twice but that doesn’t mean he’s out of form? Look at the 16*(3) against Zalmi which in the end were the deciding runs if you look at the scorecard (and remember the match very well, which I do). In other matches he did decently, and in some matches he didn’t even get a chance to bat because the top order didn’t get out.

Between Malik and Ifti, I’d take Ifti in a heartbeat. Also, agreed with [MENTION=21715]Zaz[/MENTION] about Malik’s stats in Australia. This isn’t even a question! If you ask me, Rambo’s right

 

[Zaz]

Ramiz has acted like an absolute tool here Publicly disgracing himself

He may have had a point initially about maliks retirement but the way hes replied and conducted himself hes lost all credibility to reinforce the point

 

[Greenstorm]

Ramiz has taken on the mafia. This will not go well for him.

Our awaam seem to be in love with these two TTFs thanks to excessive lobbying.

 

[Saj]

<img src="https://i.imgur.com/SRtZ7aM.png" width="500">

Never-ending this.

So Malik wants an apology from Rambo it seems, but Rambo doesn't seem to want to offer one.

 

[Junaids]

Two below-average international batsmen having an argument.

One was a rubbish batsman who had a prolonged career because of his social class and connections.

The other is a failed, elderly cricketer who continues to extend his career because of his connections.

It's like watching two bald men fighting over a comb.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

The number of social media followers does not mean you are more knowledgeable or intelligent than others.

You just don't seem to get it.

I agree Brother Saj, look at Logan and Jake Paul, they have more than 20 mlion followers and I have only 1 follower, my mom.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

This looks very bad on Ramiz's side.

 

[MenInG]

Ramiz Raja has indicated that the matter around the "deleted tweets" has now been resolved with Shoaib Malik's manager.

Wait for the next stage of this fiasco.

 

[the Great Khan]

Malik should have been discarded over a decade ago. Ive been watching this mediocre cricketer for years and am sick of seeing him. I still remember the days where we needed him to stand up and show some character but knowing this weak minded weasal, he would come in at 42-2 and it would instantly become 42-3. or 44-3. We could never rely on him. And then his neech low class hurkatain with his buddy misbah and the Malik mafia. Which ,by the way,included butt wahab misbah and the akmal brothers..that was adark dark period.

You could see afridi holding the line in some matches while the mafia just put their feet up.

with regards to hafeez, you know I think he is way more sincere than Malik. He just doesnt have the ability in his batting. what made hafeez so important for us was his bowling. Until the Indians sabotaged it. in the ODI arena an economical Hafeez against left handers was a joy to watch.

By far a better cricketer than malik but both need to retire now. and Rambo is right.
I watch his channel and his stories about his time with the greatest pakistan team is always good fun. Also his insights arent that bad, he doesnt do his research. If he did he would be ok.

 

[Savak]

Cricket boards can't survive without matches for long: Rameez Raja

Cricket boards can't survive without matches for long: Rameez Raja

IANS/Lahore

Filed on April 23, 2020 |

Last updated on April 23, 2020 at 12.10 pm

Raja urged the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to open up a dialogue

The entire sporting calendar of the world has been ruined and cricket is no different

Former Pakistan captain Rameez Raza feels cricket boards around the world won't be able to sustain for long if matches keep getting cancelled or postponed due to coronavirus pandemic.

The entire sporting calendar of the world has been ruined and cricket is no different. All bilateral series have been put on hold and national T20 leagues like the Indian Premier League has been postponed indefinitely.

"Cricket fans are starved now and the coronavirus pandemic has brought life to a standstill but I don't think cricket boards can survive for long like this. They can't continue to pay out salaries and expenses without having cricket activities it would be disastrous for them," Rameez said on his Youtube channel.

Raja urged the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to open up a dialogue with other nations for resumption of cricket. He also suggested that playing matches behind closed doors should be considered as starting cricket again is the most important thing right now.

"I would also urge the Pakistan Cricket Board to think on these lines and hold talks with other boards to see how cricket activities can be resumed even behind closed doors," he said.

"The PCB can take the first step in initiating this conversation. Any cricket board, no matter how rich, cannot keep paying salaries in a perpetual lockdown situation. We need dialogue and planning to start cricket again," he said. "If fans cannot attend then holding it behind closed doors is an option," the cricketer-turned-commentator added.

Link: https://www.khaleejtimes.com/sport/...-survive-without-matches-for-long-rameez-raja

 

[liam26]

I wasnt watching PSL so it feels like ages since had some Cricket to watch. Feeling starved already.

 

[Sohaib]

Was searching on Google, and this thread showed up as one of the search results Couldn't stop but login in and leave a comment

Seems most likely the door will be shown to Hafeez depending how he performs in World Twenty20. And Shoaib Malik not getting selected, on top of his poor CPL2021 might already have played his game for Pakistan.

Wait for the next stage of this fiasco.

Probably Hafeez and Malik, giving their 'expert comments' on TV channels, YouTube videos, Twitter, Facebook posts, etc. soon to PCB Chairman on his performances...

 

[Bewal Express]

The PCB shouldnt wait for any player to retire, they should be sacked- afterall we arent talk about Viv Richards and Don Bradman, we are talking about 2 mediocre failures who have played a decade too long.

 

[Saj]

It's going to be tough for Malik now to come back to international cricket, given his age and now that Ramiz is the Chairman and he prefers youth over some of these veterans.

 

[unemployedgm]

Oddly enough, Rameez never vouched for two of Pakistan’s best players. Rizwan in all formats and Fawad at least in tests.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

It's going to be tough for Malik now to come back to international cricket, given his age and now that Ramiz is the Chairman and he prefers youth over some of these veterans.

And that's the concerning matter.

Malik is still quite better, fitter, smarter and agile than quite a few of the so called "Youth" that we have in the team.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

And that's the concerning matter.

Malik is still quite better, fitter, smarter and agile than quite a few of the so called "Youth" that we have in the team.

Well malik is breaking all sorts of records in the current CPL

 

[PakLFC]

Get in there Rambo! You tell them lad! Add Umar Akmal to the list as well as Shoaib. I just can't stand the way Shoaib Malik plays the game. If a new coach is appointed he must be much harder on the players. No more naughty boys, playboys or those like that.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Not saying Shoaib Malik should be in the squad with his current form, but if you put "YOUTH" like Azam Khan and Shoaib Malik on the field, Malik is guaranteed to save atleast 10-15 more runs than Azam in a single match despite being more than 15 years older than him. And if there are tight singles and two's on offer, no guessing who's going to successfully take them and who'll either run himself out or his partner.

 

[shamaan]

I would never pick malik in SENA in t20s but in asain conditions malik should have been in the squad

 

[TheSultan]

I seriously do not understand why shoaib malik and Hafeez are making headlines whenever a pakistan squad is selected.

Who cares? They are both the definition of mediocre. We’re not talking about Imran Khan, Miandad, Wasim, Waqar, saeed anwar, Inzi or yousuf here.

This is Malik and Hafeez! There was less outrage when yousuf stopped being selected or when Aamir Sohail culled both Waqar and Wasim at the same time

 

[Bewal Express]

I would never pick malik in SENA in t20s but in asain conditions malik should have been in the squad

The conditions in the CPL are very much like UAE, how did he go? The guy is useless and has been for years.

 

[shamaan]

The conditions in the CPL are very much like UAE, how did he go? The guy is useless and has been for years.

Is he better than what's been picked for the world Cup asif ali !.