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Don't need lecture from you: Mohammad Kaif hits out at Pakistan PM Imran Khan

srh said:
Wrong. There would be no Pakistan if majority of muslims of current India have not voted for Muslim League in 1947 elections. British India never wanted Pakistan so they put this restriction that Muslim League has to win from all over India as well to be consider muslim's true representative. But muslims from all of British India voted and failed the British plan.

So Pakistan is eternally in debt to Indian muslims for its creation. And when Indian muslims are suffering then Pakistan should feel the most disturbed because they are linked to Indian muslims not on just 2 levels (humanity and muslim brotherhood) but also for their existence.
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That was 1947 NOT 2018, these are different times. Those people who voted for Pakistan, came to Pakistan and became Pakistanis. The people who voted against Pakistan, stayed back in India and are Indians. Pakistanis are not indebted to Indian Muslims, you're conflating Pakistanis who descend from migrants to present-day Indian Muslims, there's a big difference.
 
Imran Khan ought to finish Kaif off in grand style and call him by what he's said before, so he can put him in his place. He should do so by referring to him as the "phateechar". Kaif is merely doing this for publicity and money.

Kaif is talking nonsense. Minority population was higher due to East Pakistan prior to its independence.
 
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Pak does not owe Indian Muslim's a thing. Let me remind Kaif that many Hindu's were in now Bangladesh then East Pakistan. I do not recall any ethnic cleansing of minorities in Pakistan like their temples being burnt or people being killed for consuming pork. It is true that the Brits certainly did not want Pak which contradicts how many Indian's insist the Brits made Pakistan so make up your minds. Many Indian Muslim's at the time did want Pak but were unable to migrate due to geographical reason and all the violence that was going on at the time. What is most important to realise is that those Indian Muslims who voted for Pak would all have died out by now. Today Pak owes Indian Muslims nothing at all. Indian Muslim's have fought wars and died for India as have Pak Hindu's as well. Indian Muslim's are not suffering coz of Pak, save the guilt trip!
 
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topspin said:
Imran Khan ought to finish Kaif off in grand style and call him by what he's said before, so he can put him in his place. He should do so by referring to him as the "phateechar". Kaif is merely doing this for publicity and money.

Kaif is talking nonsense. Minority population was higher due to East Pakistan prior to its independence.
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Dont think IK needs to react to Kaif. That would be unnecessary.
 
Syed1 said:
Kaif showing his jahalat... The minority percentage in West Pakistan has been the same since partition. No wonder all the educated Muslims moved to Pakistan and low class ones like Kaif were left behind.
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Imagine what a great country India must be that a "low class" minority like Premji had the opportunity to become the second richest man in the world.
 
Napa said:
Imagine what a great country India must be that a "low class" minority like Premji had the opportunity to become the second richest man in the world.
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He was already rich. I don't think you know who Ismailis are.
 
A man of IK's stature should not reply to a nobody like Kaif. What Kaif needs to do is confront Amir Khan and Naseerudin Shah over their comments of minorities in India they made. Obviously this has greatly rattled the likes of Kaif.
 
Pakistanian said:
He was already rich. I don't think you know who Ismailis are.
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I am very well aware of Ismailis, including knowing a couple personally. Premji's family business was selling soap and cooking oil, nothing close to being one of the richest in the world. India gave him the opportunity to become one.
 
Always funny to see these two countries throw insults across the border when the rest of the world sees them both as the the same unified cesspool with the same problems.
 
Napa said:
I am very well aware of Ismailis, including knowing a couple personally. Premji's family business was selling soap and cooking oil, nothing close to being one of the richest in the world. India gave him the opportunity to become one.
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lol India gave him nothing, he's a self-made man. It's funny how y'all never say that Gulf Arab countries gave Indians a chance to make more money/a higher standard of living but that it comes down to the work ethic and intelligence of Indians however when it comes to minorities in India, y'all take away all credit from them and act like India did them a favor.

Knowing Ismailis, they would be wealthy no matter where they live.
 
Pakistanian said:
lol India gave him nothing, he's a self-made man. It's funny how y'all never say that Gulf Arab countries gave Indians a chance to make more money/a higher standard of living but that it comes down to the work ethic and intelligence of Indians however when it comes to minorities in India, y'all take away all credit from them and act like India did them a favor.

Knowing Ismailis, they would be wealthy no matter where they live.
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So how many pakistani billionaires in USD in gulf countries compared to Indians? How many around the world?

Azim Premji was given oppurtunities which he grabbed and used to the fullest. He got those oppurtunities as he was treated as any other citizen of India and not discriminated.
 
cricketjoshila said:
So how many pakistani billionaires in USD in gulf countries compared to Indians? How many around the world?

Azim Premji was given oppurtunities which he grabbed and used to the fullest. He got those oppurtunities as he was treated as any other citizen of India and not discriminated.
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Indians are only successful or at least get a better standard of living in America cause we give them an oppurtunity, it's the same in the Gulf. There doesn't need to be Indian billionaire in the gulf, even if they make a few thousand riyals they're much wealthier than the people back in India.
 
Pakistanian said:
Indians are only successful or at least get a better standard of living in America cause we give them an oppurtunity, it's the same in the Gulf. There doesn't need to be Indian billionaire in the gulf, even if they make a few thousand riyals they're much wealthier than the people back in India.
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Oh! the irony. An immigrant or a 2nd gen immigrant says "we" gave other immigrants a chance to make it big.
 
The thread title and first post are clear about the topic.

Stick to it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
So how many hindus seek refugee status outside India and complaint of persecution?


https://www.dawn.com/news/1105830

This is what happens in Pakistan.
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Complaining about persecution is neither here nor there. Many "refugees" I worked with when I was younger were no such thing, they were economic migrants. These Hindus from Sindh are treated poorly but so is everyone else by the Sindh mafia.
 
Kaif lost all credibility after the 20% minority remark....

Maybe he will be able to finally buy a flat in certain area of Mumbai now ..... he can put the tweets in his case to the housing society committee :)))
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Kaif lost all credibility after the 20% minority remark....

Maybe he will be able to finally buy a flat in certain area of Mumbai now ..... he can put the tweets in his case to the housing society committee :)))
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such a poor post . Kaif lives in Allahabad , has a net worth of over 25 crores [ 4 million $ ] & is a active member of INC .
 
ILcricket said:
such a poor post . Kaif lives in Allahabad , has a net worth of over 25 crores [ 4 million $ ] & is a active member of INC .
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He is also a Muslim

There are plenty of Hindu politician who has and would promote and make Muslim of India subservient.
 
slipcatch said:
He is also a Muslim

There are plenty of Hindu politician who has and would promote and make Muslim of India subservient.
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And whats your point? There are a few extremist politicians in India, but that does not mean that Muslims are not allowed to do well in India. These responses IK received has all but proven that he needs to keep his trap shut about India, but fix Pakistan's issues. Indian muslims can take care of their own issues (with most of India on their side).
 
slipcatch said:
He is also a Muslim

There are plenty of Hindu politician who has and would promote and make Muslim of India subservient.
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you cannot see things beyond the lens of religion ? Is hatred of Hindus ingrained in you ?
 
Sidilicious said:
And whats your point? There are a few extremist politicians in India, but that does not mean that Muslims are not allowed to do well in India. These responses IK received has all but proven that he needs to keep his trap shut about India, but fix Pakistan's issues. Indian muslims can take care of their own issues (with most of India on their side).
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Off course Muslims are allow to do well in India, Kaif himself is a perfect example, and for most Indian to go on defensive mode whenever this issue is highlighted shows that they are trying to make an excuse.

Fact is there is rise in radicalized extremists hindu nationalism in Indian politics, which is very dangerous, especially for India, which has huge population of minority.

IK is politician and very well capable of doing multi-tasking. Making comments does not affect him trying to take Pakistan into right direction of prosperity and equality.

And it is quite hypocrite coming from Indians when any muslim criticize radicalized extremists hindu nationalists government and RSS are told to go to Pakistan while getting upset for IK to use India as an example to trying to give Pakistan's minority equal rights.
 
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ILcricket said:
you cannot see things beyond the lens of religion ? Is hatred of Hindus ingrained in you ?
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correction: hatred for religious nationalists extremists regardless of their origin, India happen to have Hindu extremists.
 
Pakistanis need a reality check if they think that India is "worse" for minorities than their homeland.

India has its own set of issues, but is orders of magnitude ahead of Pakistan.
 
Pakistanian said:
That was 1947 NOT 2018, these are different times. Those people who voted for Pakistan, came to Pakistan and became Pakistanis. The people who voted against Pakistan, stayed back in India and are Indians. Pakistanis are not indebted to Indian Muslims, you're conflating Pakistanis who descend from migrants to present-day Indian Muslims, there's a big difference.
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Wrong. Muslim League won more muslim votes than any other party. It got more muslim seats from the present day India than the present day Pakistan. In fact in some present day Indian territories like Bombay and Madras it captured all muslim seats.

If all the muslims who voted for Muslim League and were living in present day India, had migrated to Pakistan then there would be very low percentage of muslims remaining in present day India in 1947. But vast majority of those muslims did not migrate to Pakistan for various reasons. So your statement that people who voted against Pakistan, stayed back in India is factually incorrect.
 
Banter said:
Pakistanis need a reality check if they think that India is "worse" for minorities than their homeland.

India has its own set of issues, but is orders of magnitude ahead of Pakistan.
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Why are the Muslims in India constantly asked to goto Pakistan?
 
MenInG said:
A washed out third rate Indian cricketer 'hits out' at Imran Khan - think I have heard enough.
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Isn't him being Muslim isn't enough to respond to the Ill treatment that IK was talking about?

Cricketer, washed out, profession.... Everything comes after the religion. Isn't it?
 
Itachi said:
Isn't him being Muslim isn't enough to respond to the Ill treatment that IK was talking about?

Cricketer, washed out, profession.... Everything comes after the religion. Isn't it?
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Is he really a Muslim?

Isn’t he married to a Hindu?
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Is this a serious q?

Take naseerudin shah as a recent example.
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When you will say, "you don't feel safe in this community." the natural response that one may get is, "then find one which suits you better" which is logical. If you aren't happy with a setup, the you should try another environment to check if it's suits better as others have no problem in existing framework.
 
Itachi said:
When you will say, "you don't feel safe in this community." the natural response that one may get is, "then find one which suits you better" which is logical. If you aren't happy with a setup, the you should try another environment to check if it's suits better as others have no problem in existing framework.
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So a victim should be punished and not perpetrators.... interesting.

Why is Pakistan invoked in this context as if that’s an option for them.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
So a victim should be punished and not perpetrators.... interesting.

Why is Pakistan invoked in this context as if that’s an option for them.
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Victim and perpetrators depends upon context.

When you have one person from the community complaining yet, others from the same community defending it, then you will have to take the assumption that, the conflict is on rather personal level and not community level. Which makes that person victimize on personal space but not due to coming from the community.

When you have a personal conflict with the system, the system will see the greater cause and do what is best for the majority, in this case, the Muslim community of India.
 
Itachi said:
Victim and perpetrators depends upon context.

When you have one person from the community complaining yet, others from the same community defending it, then you will have to take the assumption that, the conflict is on rather personal level and not community level. Which makes that person victimize on personal space but not due to coming from the community.

When you have a personal conflict with the system, the system will see the greater cause and do what is best for the majority, in this case, the Muslim community of India.
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Seems like you are asking to accept the tyranny of the majority.

So when a pop up mob surrounds and beats minorities to death on mere suspicion that is acceptable now.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Seems like you are asking to accept the tyranny of the majority.

So when a pop up mob surrounds and beats minorities to death on mere suspicion that is acceptable now.
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Muslim majority islamic nations run on islamic laws that give little lee way to other religions. Its funny how muslims find that to be justified.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Seems like you are asking to accept the tyranny of the majority.

So when a pop up mob surrounds and beats minorities to death on mere suspicion that is acceptable now.
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You didn't grasp my post.

What I said was simple. When one Muslim voiced for discrimination and multiple other Muslims rejected the idea of discrimination then it is a common assumption that it is a personal issue rather than a communal one. I didn't even bring what Hindus think.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why do hindus in Pakistan constantly migrate to India in 1000s every year?
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Because they are discriminated.

Now please tell us why are Muslims of India are told to go to Pakistan? Because according to you Muslims are doing fine in India and yet are told to go to Pakistan.
 
slipcatch said:
Because they are discriminated.

Now please tell us why are Muslims of India are told to go to Pakistan? Because according to you Muslims are doing fine in India and yet are told to go to Pakistan.
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I'll ask again. Where?
 
slipcatch said:
Because they are discriminated.

Now please tell us why are Muslims of India are told to go to Pakistan? Because according to you Muslims are doing fine in India and yet are told to go to Pakistan.
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It is because there are some idiots in India who think that scaring Indian Muslims with the idea of living in Pakistan would somehow convince them to live as second class citizens in India. You will never see these trolls ask Indian Muslims to go to flourishing economies like Bangladesh..but only nations like Pakistan or Somalia.
 
BlackShadow said:
It is because there are some idiots in India who think that scaring Indian Muslims with the idea of living in Pakistan would somehow convince them to live as second class citizens in India. You will never see these trolls ask Indian Muslims to go to flourishing economies like Bangladesh..but only nations like Pakistan or Somalia.
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But what you make of Prominent politician asking Muslims to go to Pakistan?

It has nothing to do with economy but we all know why you went that way.
 
BlackShadow said:
It is because there are some idiots in India who think that scaring Indian Muslims with the idea of living in Pakistan would somehow convince them to live as second class citizens in India. You will never see these trolls ask Indian Muslims to go to flourishing economies like Bangladesh..but only nations like Pakistan or Somalia.
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And I doubt many radicalized extremists nationalist hindus knows where Somalia is.

So let's not make an excuse for extremism.
 
Resounding slap on the faces of those who think that minorities are discriminated in india. Kaif has laid to rest any remaining doubts about the condition of our proud and prosperous minorities. yaqeenan and verily, our minorities are well taken care of by the majority.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Why are the Muslims in India constantly asked to goto Pakistan?
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Says who? Way to take random isolated incidents and use it to come up with ridiculous notions.


I'm not claiming that anti-muslim prejudice doesn't exist in India - it surely does. In a country of 1.2 billion people, especially when all are not highly educated, some regrettable attitudes do exist.

But the legal, societal framework is unquestionably fair. As opposed to Pakistan, where discrimination is built into the framework.

To repeat, I'm not claiming India and Indians are awesome when it comes to tolerance - lot of issues, and long way to go. Let's take an education metaphor, they are barely in middle school - 6th or 7th grade - but if you compare that to Pakistan, they are barely made it to pre-K.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Read what you quoted....

Are Pakistani Hindus constantly asked to migrate to India?
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How many cases of Pakistani hindu girls abducted and converted, oh i'm so sorry, "REVERTED" to Islam?

How many such cases of muslim girls in India?


How many male mainstream leaders in ANY sector who are non-muslim? Say what you want about tolerance and prejudice in India, but a billion plus Indians welcome and accept muslim actors as their movie stars, cricket captains, captains of Industry, and so on.

Just because we have a temporary uptick in some parochial attitudes, and you hear some people complaining that things are not as great as they ought to be, or used to be, doesn't mean that we have some how turned into saudi arabia or pakistan.


The problem with most Pakistani observers is that they have such a strong confirmation bias when it comes to India and muslims, that they seize upon random bits of information, and jump to the conclusions that they had already made in their minds. "See? we knew Indians are anti-muslim - look Shabana Azmi is having trouble buying a condo in Mumbai". etc etc.
 
Itachi said:
You didn't grasp my post.

What I said was simple. When one Muslim voiced for discrimination and multiple other Muslims rejected the idea of discrimination then it is a common assumption that it is a personal issue rather than a communal one. I didn't even bring what Hindus think.
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Think about the times Amir Khan, Naseeruding Shah and others have spoken up about not feeling safe in India, or about not feeling good about the direction the country is heading in, and then think about the reaction that comes from Indian media and Hindu hardliners.

If you think about the above, can you not truly see why many muslims would not speak up, or would in fact state the opposite.

Truth is, muslims like Javed Akhtar who are uber patriotic in the sense that they see nothing wrong even when there is something wrong, are celebrated in India.

But as soon as a Muslim speaks up about issues such as lynching of muslims he is told to go to Pakistan, or at the very least shown as anti national.
 
BlackShadow said:
It is because there are some idiots in India who think that scaring Indian Muslims with the idea of living in Pakistan would somehow convince them to live as second class citizens in India. You will never see these trolls ask Indian Muslims to go to flourishing economies like Bangladesh..but only nations like Pakistan or Somalia.
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Nothing to do with the economy, more to do with the blind hatred of Pakistan.

When a person in the rest of the world gets angry, it is said they see red.

When an Indian gets angry, he sees green.
 
blackanhyellow said:
Think about the times Amir Khan, Naseeruding Shah and others have spoken up about not feeling safe in India, or about not feeling good about the direction the country is heading in, and then think about the reaction that comes from Indian media and Hindu hardliners.

If you think about the above, can you not truly see why many muslims would not speak up, or would in fact state the opposite.

Truth is, muslims like Javed Akhtar who are uber patriotic in the sense that they see nothing wrong even when there is something wrong, are celebrated in India.

But as soon as a Muslim speaks up about issues such as lynching of muslims he is told to go to Pakistan, or at the very least shown as anti national.
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mountain out of a molehill. when the younger brother complains that the elder brother bosses him and spanks him sometimes, doesn't mean they are enemies, and when in trouble it will be the same big brother who will come to the rescue of the younger sibling. lol at the jealous jasmines trying to drive a wedge between us brothers.
 
CricketCartoons said:
mountain out of a molehill. when the younger brother complains that the elder brother bosses him and spanks him sometimes, doesn't mean they are enemies, and when in trouble it will be the same big brother who will come to the rescue of the younger sibling. lol at the jealous jasmines trying to drive a wedge between us brothers.
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I dont get your analogy.

So hindus are elder brothers to muslims in India?

And its okay for hindus to spank muslims in India because they are brothers?
 
blackanhyellow said:
I dont get your analogy.

So hindus are elder brothers to muslims in India?

And its okay for hindus to spank muslims in India because they are brothers?
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yes, we hindus are the big brothers, and muslims are weaker younger siblings. our duty is to guide and protect them, their duty is to respect and obey us.
 
CricketCartoons said:
yes, we hindus are the big brothers, and muslims are weaker younger siblings. our duty is to guide and protect them, their duty is to respect and obey us.
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Kaif is doing a good job then, may Baghwan be pleased with his efforts. He should be awarded some laddu with his chai and enjoy them in his allotted quarters. Spanking sometimes may be necessary, but a good younger brother should also be acknowledged when he performs his duties diligently and with good manner.
 
blackanhyellow said:
Think about the times Amir Khan, Naseeruding Shah and others have spoken up about not feeling safe in India, or about not feeling good about the direction the country is heading in, and then think about the reaction that comes from Indian media and Hindu hardliners.

If you think about the above, can you not truly see why many muslims would not speak up, or would in fact state the opposite.

Truth is, muslims like Javed Akhtar who are uber patriotic in the sense that they see nothing wrong even when there is something wrong, are celebrated in India.

But as soon as a Muslim speaks up about issues such as lynching of muslims he is told to go to Pakistan, or at the very least shown as anti national.
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You've one group of Muslims who tells they aren't safe.
You've another group who supports India to their very core.

Latter is majority. Which one you will trust?
 
ILcricket said:
i see . Would be better if you view extremism not through a religious prism .
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But extremists have hijacked religion to further their agenda through pervertizing religion.

What is surprising that general population of India have overlooked that most important point and let those extremist take over Indian political system.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Growing up in Allahabad,a city with Ganga-Jamuna culture,I loved watching Ramlila-a tale of compassion,co-exsistence,honour and dignity.Lord Ram saw goodness in everyone and our conduct should reflect his legacy.Don’t allow the agents of hate to come in the way of love and unity.</p>— Mohammad Kaif (@MohammadKaif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MohammadKaif/status/1290908580380475392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The things one has to do to get their mortgage approved :))
 
Syed1 said:
The things one has to do to get their mortgage approved :))
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Don't think he would get it approved if he applied for one in certain districts of Mumbai. But as our dear contributor CricketCartoons would say at least he knows his place and that makes him a true Hindian.
 
Kaif is now receiving much more then lectures from Modi and the RSS. He can now become a Hindunised Muslim like most of his coreligionists there. He is to scared to say there is no mention of his Lord Krishna in the Holy Qur'an and rightly so.
 
PakLFC said:
Kaif is now receiving much more then lectures from Modi and the RSS. He can now become a Hindunised Muslim like most of his coreligionists there. He is to scared to say there is no mention of his Lord Krishna in the Holy Qur'an and rightly so.
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U mean like kabir and guru nanak
Even akbar preached from the same page
 
Syed1 said:
The things one has to do to get their mortgage approved :))
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Yea this is kinda sad :))

As our great Quaid said. “Indian Muslims will have to spend rest of their lives proving their patriotism.” Who knew patriotism would descend to being subservient to Hinduism
 
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