Double standards on chucking and match fixing

[CricFan2012]

Someone like Amir gets banned for 5 years and jailed for bowling no balls, while someone like Ajmal, harbhajjan, murali, and Hafeez have chucked, unfairly getting batsmen out, ruining batsmens careers, and are even able to come back to the game after reported with lesser consequences, some even revert to chucking.

Chuckers need to be banned like match fixers do, this is equivalent to doping.

Taking drugs to enhance ones performance is the same as chucking to enhance ones bowling performance.

This is simply outrageous now, what excuse can chucker apologists have now? Just because ICC is more lenient on reporting chucking does not mean we have to be as well, raise your voice and fight for what is fair.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Murali was cleared many times, Harbhajhan was never reported and you need to stop this "If I'm not getting it, you are not getting it" whiny threads.

 

[CricFan2012]

Murali was cleared many times, Harbhajhan was never reported and you need to stop this "If I'm not getting it, you are not getting it" whiny threads.

Those were examples of chuckers getting away with it, I may be too harsh on Murali because the biomechanics technology was not as advanced compared to now

 

[ManFan]

Those were examples of chuckers getting away with it, I may be too harsh on Murali because the biomechanics technology was not as advanced compared to now

The ICC had to change the rules because their previous limit found 99% of all the bowlers in world cricket guilty.

 

[Mamoon]

Match-fixing is a lot worse than chucking.

 

[DRsohail]

yes there should be some sort of penalty rather than just banning from bowling .

 

[CricFan2012]

Match-fixing is a lot worse than chucking.

How come? They're both similar in my eyes as match fixing is betraying your own team, while chucking is betraying the game of cricket and its rules

 

[IMMY69]

So what about not walking when nicking it?

Point is it's down to the governing body to root this out. A player will continue chucking as long as he can get away with it doesn't make him a criminal.


On the other hand, Spot fixing or match fixing is actually breaking the law although clearly it hasn't stopped players from doing it until they're caught.

 

[Sachin136]

So what about not walking when nicking it?

Point is it's down to the governing body to root this out. A player will continue chucking as long as he can get away with it doesn't make him a criminal.


On the other hand, Spot fixing or match fixing is actually breaking the law although clearly it hasn't stopped players from doing it until they're caught.

Not walking is not against the rules. Chucking is.

 

[Madplayer]

Issue is that some players genuinely dont do it deliberately.

After bowling for a long time the muscles get tired and a drag comes in the arm.

If you are not doing it deliberately, you are not cheating.

You can't punish such people. You can just disallow them till them fix it.

 

[IMMY69]

Not walking is not against the rules. Chucking is.

Good point but that was not what i'm trying to convey.

The question is what is cheating and what is not?

When a player is bowling with a chink in his action from an early age he can easily fall back in to it subconsciously. After all why would anyone knowingly want to risk being banned or bringing shame upon himself? So not sure if they can be called a cheat.

Not walking when nicking it is also testing the boundaries in that the batsmen is out yet he stands his ground.

In both instances it is up to the umpires and officials to decide.

 

[Bilal7]

Ajmal et all have never chucked a single delivery. When the ICC determined they were bowling unfairly, they stopped. It is foolish to compare this to match-fixing, which is illegal and has set rules and regulations in place.

 

[Pete Rose]

Ajmal et all have never chucked a single delivery. When the ICC determined they were bowling unfairly, they stopped. It is foolish to compare this to match-fixing, which is illegal and has set rules and regulations in place.

you are never a criminal until you are caught.

 

[riz45]

Someone like Amir gets banned for 5 years and jailed for bowling no balls, while someone like Ajmal, harbhajjan, murali, and Hafeez have chucked, unfairly getting batsmen out, ruining batsmens careers, and are even able to come back to the game after reported with lesser consequences, some even revert to chucking.

Chuckers need to be banned like match fixers do, this is equivalent to doping.

Taking drugs to enhance ones performance is the same as chucking to enhance ones bowling performance.

This is simply outrageous now, what excuse can chucker apologists have now? Just because ICC is more lenient on reporting chucking does not mean we have to be as well, raise your voice and fight for what is fair.

Assuming this isn't a troll post, match-fixing and chucking are NOT comparable offenses.

 

[Hasan123]

Match fixing is much worse than chucking.

 

[adzzy786]

This guy thinks chucking and match fixing fall in the same bracket

 

[CricFan2012]

Assuming this isn't a troll post, match-fixing and chucking are NOT comparable offenses.

Why?

 

[Mamoon]

How come? They're both similar in my eyes as match fixing is betraying your own team, while chucking is betraying the game of cricket and its rules

Chucking can be beneficial to the team. It doesn't negatively impact the results of your team like match-fixing. When you chuck, you don't risk the result of the match for your team.

 

[mak36]

Chucking can be beneficial to the team. It doesn't negatively impact the results of your team like match-fixing. When you chuck, you don't risk the result of the match for your team.

I agree with this, but I also think there is more to it.

Chucking can be subconscious. Very few knowingly chuck. Contrast that with match fixing which is always pre-planned and intentional. You can't subconsciously match fix.

Plus, chucking is governed by the laws of cricket and is no different to how other sports try to restrict or ban certain behaviour/gameplay which would be acceptable in day to day behaviour. Match fixing falls well outside the realm of sport and is in fact a criminal act for which one can be imprisoned.

It's a completely false comparison in my view.

 

[Mamoon]

I agree with this, but I also think there is more to it.

Chucking can be subconscious. Very few knowingly chuck. Contrast that with match fixing which is always pre-planned and intentional. You can't subconsciously match fix.

Plus, chucking is governed by the laws of cricket and is no different to how other sports try to restrict or ban certain behaviour/gameplay which would be acceptable in day to day behaviour. Match fixing falls well outside the realm of sport and is in fact a criminal act for which one can be imprisoned.

It's a completely false comparison in my view.

Yes that's true, but not if you are getting caught again and again.

 

[The_Odd_One]

There should be a life ban if you are caught chucking twice.

 

[ayemgilani86]

Its not on the same level as match fixing but what is annoying with chuckers is that it was obvious they can bowl with a correct action but were not doing it.

 

[AFM]

Chucking helps the team to win. Match fixing is the complete opposite.

 

[Raja Sab]

OP you make it sound like they deliberately chucked. You should know that all you mentioned got cleared by ICC so if you think someone should spend time then it should be those who cleared them i.e ICC

 

[Bilal7]

you are never a criminal until you are caught.

No, if you are robbing a bank, you are a criminal even if you are not caught. Commit a crime and become a criminal. The ICC cleared Ajmal's action back in 2009 and allowed him to continue bowling, how can you fault him for doing something he was legally allowed to do?

The ICC realizes this, which is why Ajmal sat pretty at the top of the bowling rankings for months after he was called for chucking.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Ajmal et all have never chucked a single delivery. When the ICC determined they were bowling unfairly, they stopped. It is foolish to compare this to match-fixing, which is illegal and has set rules and regulations in place.

He chucked a lot. Just took advantage of his previous clearing and was blatantly chucking during the match. That's why he was stopped. It's not the other way round. If he hadn't chucked a single delivery in match, he would have never been stopped.

 

[Pete Rose]

No, if you are robbing a bank, you are a criminal even if you are not caught. Commit a crime and become a criminal. The ICC cleared Ajmal's action back in 2009 and allowed him to continue bowling, how can you fault him for doing something he was legally allowed to do?

The ICC realizes this, which is why Ajmal sat pretty at the top of the bowling rankings for months after he was called for chucking.

If you are robbing a bank and there’s no proof you robbed a bank you are not a criminal. Unless of course it’s caught on camera

 

[Rana]

I don't even want to comment on this. All I know is that if I were a professional cricketer I would probably have been reported for a suspect action. Most of my off-break deliveries are over the 15 degree limit, although I do my best to keep my arm straight.

 

[HateKiller]

Players should not be banned. Just sing a lullaby whenever they commit a crime and they will stop doing it.

 

[Black Zero]

There must be double standards in these cases as we are talking about two different things.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

No umpire has guts to report Ashwin.

And yep, it's almost funny how blatantly he chucks... 'Emperor's new clothes' and all that!

 

[Monsee]

That is great, so he proved his doubter wrong. That is even better.

Huh, everyone in the world knows that he chucks, so how is he proving his doubters wrong? So, if he has not been testing for 12 some years due to some special reasons (no need to even go there anyway), how did he prove the doubters wrong?

 

[90MPH]

Murali was cleared many times, Harbhajhan was never reported and you need to stop this "If I'm not getting it, you are not getting it" whiny threads.

Harbajhan got reported 3 times in his career. Not just that he had a dodgy action throughout his career with his doosra but as the rules were relaxed or had different testing procedures during his time he got away with it.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Huh, everyone in the world knows that he chucks, so how is he proving his doubters wrong? So, if he has not been testing for 12 some years due to some special reasons (no need to even go there anyway), how did he prove the doubters wrong?

Lol you are a joke and so deluded.

Harbajhan got reported 3 times in his career. Not just that he had a dodgy action throughout his career with his doosra but as the rules were relaxed or had different testing procedures during his time he got away with it.

And he passed all the time, BCCI wasn't the strongest board then and didn't get along well with ACB and ECB. Move your conspiracy aside and please take a nap.

 

[MenInG]

I don't even want to comment on this. All I know is that if I were a professional cricketer I would probably have been reported for a suspect action. Most of my off-break deliveries are over the 15 degree limit, although I do my best to keep my arm straight.

Pls appear for a test in the next 14 days....

 

[ExpressPacer]

I don't see the double standards, if you get called for the second time, you get a years ban. There's fair enough considering you're not a cheat to the team or influence the result of the match!

 

[khurram39]

Checkers are not allowed to bowl. one has to prove that bowler is chucking. It could be icc or anyone else.

 

[Hitman]

Ajmal was the worst case. Add to that he is a blatent liar. Apparently he couldn't bowl with a clean action due to a deformity from an accident. And suddenly he regained the ability to bowl with a clean action the moment his action was deemed illegal.