Dr. Aafia Siddiqui Thread

[Greenstorm]

Terrorist or not, Pakistan government should try its best to bring her back to Pakistan, just like Warmbier and Raymond Davis were brought back by the US.
You just cannot handover your citizens to other countries.

 

[Loralai]

Isn't it sad that we want this convicted extremist back in our country. When will be learn to disassociate ourselves from the likes of Hafiz Saeed and Dr Afia? We will not progress as a nation until then

 

[moghul]

For all those doing bhangra on her release, how would you answer the following questions?

1. What was she doing in Afghanistan?
2. Why did her husband divorce her?He is on record saying she had an extremist mindset
3.Why, whenever, Al-Qaeda kidnaps hostages, they demand the release Aafia. The most notable being when AQ overran Jordanian gas facility and demanded release of the Aaafia for the safe passage of gas workers.
4. Why did she marry the nephew of KSM?

None of the people supporting her has any answer to these simple questions, at the same time all of those pinheads calling Malala a "western agent" because Malala stood against the very same people who the terrorist Aafia was married to.

 

[Sirris]

For all those doing bhangra on her release, how would you answer the following questions?

1. What was she doing in Afghanistan?
2. Why did her husband divorce her?He is on record saying she had an extremist mindset
3.Why, whenever, Al-Qaeda kidnaps hostages, they demand the release Aafia. The most notable being when AQ overran Jordanian gas facility and demanded release of the Aaafia for the safe passage of gas workers.
4. Why did she marry the nephew of KSM?

I won't be doing any bhangra on her release, which I highly doubt would happen since Americans seem to be hiding her fate at all costs. Nor do I believe in her absolute innocence, however I do think she has been severly mistreated and the whole story the Americans are telling about her is suspicious to say the least and they seem to be covering up their misadventures.

Before answering your questions here is the reason why I think any self-respecting Pakistani should care about the issue at hand. As I said in one of my post:

She is Pakistan's issue cause any sovereign and worthy state should feel responsible for its citizen and if a citizen is accused of crime then there should be a proper judical process and not some "disappearance" for years followed by a verdict under questionable circumstances. Just like how USA felt responsible for the well-being of that US kid Warmbier who went to North Korea and got himself in trouble for doing some silly stuff. Any self-respecting nation looks out for its citizen. Pakistan should have had the opportunity to independently look into the accusations made against Afia and have them investigated.

My concern and support for her has little to do with her gender or religious inclination.

Now answers to your questions:

1. I don't know. My inability to answer this question however in no way implies that she must be a terrorist and all the accusations by the Americans must be true. The thing is your question assumes she is guilty until proven innocent. You chose to believe in the American's lies and now want to backwards rationalize it. You actually are victim blaming then critically looking at the issue.

2. I don't know. Perhaps their marriage didn't work out or perhaps the love wasn't there anymore. This is a speculative question concerning her private life, which can only be answered by more speculations. I don't want to get into any unending loop of speculations upon speculations.

However one thing should be clear, in a modern and progressive society you can't be put on a trial and charged for having criminal thoughts as long as you haven't acted upon them. Her having extremist views are irrelevant as long as there is no concrete evidence of her acting upon them.

3. This is perhaps the only relevant question you listed worth addressing. Here is how I see it as posted earlier:

Perhaps because the extremist in alqaeda and ISIS know exactly how to gain brownie points and support. By presenting themselves as 'the true guardian of opressed Muslim ummah" they are able to manipulate the naive, emotional and zealous youth. By claiming do make all efforts to rescue a Muslim women from the "prisons of crusaders" while "the coward Muslim government and armies" can't do anything.

You see we might think of them as nut-job jihadis but they know exaxtly how to PR and win loyalties.

If you want to go down the route of "she is guilty because al-qaeda is asking for her release" then lets go all the way: When al-qaida uses her case for their propaganda purpose do they portray her as a female "Mujahida" who bravely fought against the "crusaders". Have they publicly owned her as one of their members? Have they in anyway attributed a terror plot which Afia helped plan? Al-qaida has released videos of 9/11 hijackers, their last will and have eulogized it's planners, anything of the like for Afia? Any video, audio or even writing of her condoning Al-qaida's ideology? Or have they, in all their propaganda attempts, always portrayed here as an "innocent and oppressed" Muslim sister betrayed by the shameless Muslim rulers" which they are helping regain her honor and freedom.

Al-Qaeda also uses the situation of Muslims in Palestine, Kashmir and Burma for its propaganda purposes. Does that automatically nullifies the legitimate concerns of those populations and even worse make them Al-Qaeda's allies or sympathizers?

It would only make sense to be suspicious of al-Qaida's support for her if Americans had actually captured 100s of other Muslim women, tortured them and locked them up in their secret prison and despite all that al-Qaida only chose to support Afia's release.

4. I don't know. These question about her private life can only be answered by her. Perhaps she fell in love or perhaps she was desperate as a divored Muslim woman. What we do know is at the time of their marriage 9/11 hadn't happen yet and therefore very likely that she was unaware of her husbands "other" side. After all her husband was able to hide his teror plots from the whole world. In any case being a relative of a terrorist doesn't make you guilty by association. Such kind of conclusions might have been the norm in medieval times but we are past that.

These questions you are asking are actually pretty lame and nothing but an attempt to backwards rationalize the story. If you actually want to convince me of her terrorist past and justify the way Americans dealt with her than you need to answer the following issues:

What evidence is there that Afia knew her husband was in a terror organization before their marriage? What evidence is there that she divorced her previous husband just so that she could marry a jihadist? Which terror plots did Afia faciliated? How many suicide bombers did she train? What leadership position did she have in al-Qaida? Which al-Qaida camp in Afghanistan did she attend? Do we have audio or video recordings of here promoting terrorist ideals?

I could understand your inclination to believe the Americans on this issue IF they had a perfect track record and weren't caught lying multiple times. If they actually know what the heck they are actually doing in this "war on terror" and haven't been caught surrendering to the very terrorist they wanted to erradicat as I have illustrated in this post:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...elated-News-Goes-Here&p=10185201#post10185201

The reality is that the Americans don't have a perfect track record. They have been caught violating the same human rights and personal freedom which they wish to see implemented all around the world. From atrocities in Abu Gharib jail to the countless innocents, who were declared innocent by American lawyers themselves, tortured in Guantanamo. These are no conspiracies but established facts.

It is also a fact that Americans have indeed negotiated with the terrorists and released many declated terrorists from Guantanamo as part of such negotiations, who then upon their release went back to their terrorist activities but the Americans stubbornness to not even hand over Afia to Pakistani authorities is highly suspicious to me.

 

[Sirris]

Isn't it sad that we want this convicted extremist back in our country. When will be learn to disassociate ourselves from the likes of Hafiz Saeed and Dr Afia? We will not progress as a nation until then

No the saddest thing for me is that we are nation of extremist with no middle ground. At one hand you have the conservative extremists who see their religion as perfect and everything else is a global conspiracy and at the other hand we have pseudo-liberal, secular and enlightened extremist who just wish to copy paste the western values and narrative in our society. Both poles lack any motivation to think for themselves and scrutinize their respective popular narrative. Both sides act aggressively and disgracefully when their bubble is burst and they are made to take a step outside of their comfort zone.

Hafiz Saeed is a known militant leader with a militant organization under his name active in Kashmir. Additionally Hafeez Saeed has held public speeches condoning militancy in Kashmir and Afghanistan. While Afia's only crime so far has been to be married to the wrong person and perhaps being at the wrong place at the wrong time. You can't compare the two nor can you paint them with the same brush.

You are from Balochistan, I would have hoped at the very least you would know how it feels like when people disappear for years for no good reasons and then their tortured dead bodies are dumped somewhere and the whole act is later justified as "getting rid of terrorists". I'd hope at least you can see the dangers and harm of generously labeling every adversary as a "terrorist" and then doing with them whatever the mighty one in military clothes feel like doing. I'd hope at least you would want the unaware general masses to not believe everything which is fed to them by the status quo and question the narrative.

 

[saeedhk]

I won't be doing any bhangra on her release, which I highly doubt would happen since Americans seem to be hiding her fate at all costs. Nor do I believe in her absolute innocence, however I do think she has been severly mistreated and the whole story the Americans are telling about her is suspicious to say the least and they seem to be covering up their misadventures.

Before answering your questions here is the reason why I think any self-respecting Pakistani should care about the issue at hand. As I said in one of my post:



My concern and support for her has little to do with her gender or religious inclination.

Now answers to your questions:

1. I don't know. My inability to answer this question however in no way implies that she must be a terrorist and all the accusations by the Americans must be true. The thing is your question assumes she is guilty until proven innocent. You chose to believe in the American's lies and now want to backwards rationalize it. You actually are victim blaming then critically looking at the issue.

2. I don't know. Perhaps their marriage didn't work out or perhaps the love wasn't there anymore. This is a speculative question concerning her private life, which can only be answered by more speculations. I don't want to get into any unending loop of speculations upon speculations.

However one thing should be clear, in a modern and progressive society you can't be put on a trial and charged for having criminal thoughts as long as you haven't acted upon them. Her having extremist views are irrelevant as long as there is no concrete evidence of her acting upon them.

3. This is perhaps the only relevant question you listed worth addressing. Here is how I see it as posted earlier:



If you want to go down the route of "she is guilty because al-qaeda is asking for her release" then lets go all the way: When al-qaida uses her case for their propaganda purpose do they portray her as a female "Mujahida" who bravely fought against the "crusaders". Have they publicly owned her as one of their members? Have they in anyway attributed a terror plot which Afia helped plan? Al-qaida has released videos of 9/11 hijackers, their last will and have eulogized it's planners, anything of the like for Afia? Any video, audio or even writing of her condoning Al-qaida's ideology? Or have they, in all their propaganda attempts, always portrayed here as an "innocent and oppressed" Muslim sister betrayed by the shameless Muslim rulers" which they are helping regain her honor and freedom.

Al-Qaeda also uses the situation of Muslims in Palestine, Kashmir and Burma for its propaganda purposes. Does that automatically nullifies the legitimate concerns of those populations and even worse make them Al-Qaeda's allies or sympathizers?

It would only make sense to be suspicious of al-Qaida's support for her if Americans had actually captured 100s of other Muslim women, tortured them and locked them up in their secret prison and despite all that al-Qaida only chose to support Afia's release.

4. I don't know. These question about her private life can only be answered by her. Perhaps she fell in love or perhaps she was desperate as a divored Muslim woman. What we do know is at the time of their marriage 9/11 hadn't happen yet and therefore very likely that she was unaware of her husbands "other" side. After all her husband was able to hide his teror plots from the whole world. In any case being a relative of a terrorist doesn't make you guilty by association. Such kind of conclusions might have been the norm in medieval times but we are past that.

These questions you are asking are actually pretty lame and nothing but an attempt to backwards rationalize the story. If you actually want to convince me of her terrorist past and justify the way Americans dealt with her than you need to answer the following issues:



I could understand your inclination to believe the Americans on this issue IF they had a perfect track record and weren't caught lying multiple times. If they actually know what the heck they are actually doing in this "war on terror" and haven't been caught surrendering to the very terrorist they wanted to erradicat as I have illustrated in this post:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...elated-News-Goes-Here&p=10185201#post10185201

The reality is that the Americans don't have a perfect track record. They have been caught violating the same human rights and personal freedom which they wish to see implemented all around the world. From atrocities in Abu Gharib jail to the countless innocents, who were declared innocent by American lawyers themselves, tortured in Guantanamo. These are no conspiracies but established facts.

It is also a fact that Americans have indeed negotiated with the terrorists and released many declated terrorists from Guantanamo as part of such negotiations, who then upon their release went back to their terrorist activities but the Americans stubbornness to not even hand over Afia to Pakistani authorities is highly suspicious to me.

The way you are rationalizing the actions of Aafia, it would be even difficult to convict hardcore terrorists. You cannot even answer why she was in Afghanistan. She was there to engage in Jihad. Her husband said she had also asked him to migrate to Muslim lands under occupation to fight invaders.

Regarding her divorce, her husband would know more about her personality, inclinations and mindset than you.

There are thousands of Muslim women in western prisons including hundreds on terror charges especially in Israel.How come AQ does not call for their release?

Why did she marry KSM? Maybe because their mindsets matched!!

 

[Loralai]

No the saddest thing for me is that we are nation of extremist with no middle ground. At one hand you have the conservative extremists who see their religion as perfect and everything else is a global conspiracy and at the other hand we have pseudo-liberal, secular and enlightened extremist who just wish to copy paste the western values and narrative in our society. Both poles lack any motivation to think for themselves and scrutinize their respective popular narrative. Both sides act aggressively and disgracefully when their bubble is burst and they are made to take a step outside of their comfort zone.

Hafiz Saeed is a known militant leader with a militant organization under his name active in Kashmir. Additionally Hafeez Saeed has held public speeches condoning militancy in Kashmir and Afghanistan. While Afia's only crime so far has been to be married to the wrong person and perhaps being at the wrong place at the wrong time. You can't compare the two nor can you paint them with the same brush.

You are from Balochistan, I would have hoped at the very least you would know how it feels like when people disappear for years for no good reasons and then their tortured dead bodies are dumped somewhere and the whole act is later justified as "getting rid of terrorists". I'd hope at least you can see the dangers and harm of generously labeling every adversary as a "terrorist" and then doing with them whatever the mighty one in military clothes feel like doing. I'd hope at least you would want the unaware general masses to not believe everything which is fed to them by the status quo and question the narrative.

Bhaijan please explain to me why she was in Afghanistan? She was not there for making bangles. She was there for extremist activity. We need to accept that she was affiliated with extremists. Why do you think it is that several extremist groups have called for her release?

 

[munda_khi]

Any idea ( or theory ) why was she captured outside of her home in Karachi ?

To me this is the most important question nobody is trying to reply

 

[Sirris]

The way you are rationalizing the actions of Aafia, it would be even difficult to convict hardcore terrorists. You cannot even answer why she was in Afghanistan. She was there to engage in Jihad. Her husband said she had also asked him to migrate to Muslim lands under occupation to fight invaders.

Regarding her divorce, her husband would know more about her personality, inclinations and mindset than you.

There are thousands of Muslim women in western prisons including hundreds on terror charges especially in Israel.How come AQ does not call for their release?

Why did she marry KSM? Maybe because their mindsets matched!!

I am not rationalizing anything! I am answering your question sincerely with the best of my knowledge, without feeling the need to defend my position, ego and pride at the cost of being honest. While answering your questions my attitude was "Innocent until proven guilty", as true progressive and unbiased thinking should be.

Now if your questions are such that they require speculations on my part then there is something rather wrong with your reasoning and mindset with which you posed those questions and not something wrong with my answers. As I already pointed out your questions and the conclusion you draw from them are all a proof of your attempt to backwards rationalize what happened to her. They all come from the mindset of "guilty until proven innocent".

"It would even be difficult to convict hardcore terrorists", you say?

Do tell me which of these "hardcore terrorists" you'd find difficult to convict of terrorism, if you were to accept my mindset and line of thinking:

Bin Laden
Abu Baker al-Baghdadi
Hakeemullah Mehsud
Brenton Tarrant

I know, I can't give the truthful answer to her stay in Afghanistan, I admit to it myself. I genuinely don't know it. I can however speculate just like you and come up with 1000s scenarios other than what your purposed. If you really wish I can state some of those scenarios, though as I said before I would rather not go down that line.

Her ex-husband can write a whole book about her extremist mindset it doesn't matter. Try to understand this simple concept: You can have 1000s of thoughts everyday of committing armed robbery and homicide, however until and unless you actually go through with your plans and actually comit the robbery, you can't be charged and thrown in to jail just for having those thoughts.

Look, I don't care what AQ does or doesn't and I am not their spokesperson. I am also not even sure if your claim of women in prison on terror charges is even true. Regardless, if we are to accept your way of judging things, can we say that all those 1000s of women charged with terror are innocent since whether AQ nor any other terrorist organization has called for their release?

I did notice that you haven't answered any of my questions. I am open to changing my postion and to improve my understanding if provided with proper evidence and argument. Therefore you have yet to answer the following questions:

Which terror plots did Aafia facilitate?
How many suicide bombers did she train?
What leadership position did she have in al-Qaida?
Which al-Qaida camp in Afghanistan did she attend?
Do we have audio or video recordings of her promoting terrorist ideals or training in a terrorist camp?
How many innocents were victims of her terror activities who have finally received justice after her conviction?

I decided to once again humour the whole issue about her being a terrorist or not and give you a proper and through reply, because I genuinely want you to understand the true meaning of "innocent until proven guilty" instead of paying lip service to it.

The actual thing though is that whether she is a terrorist or not. There are countless claims of her being tortured and mistreated severely.. Looking at Guantanamo prison and Abu Gharib jail we have actual evidence of USA crimes and disregard to all kinds of internationally agreed upon laws and human rights. She could be a terrorist, still the Pakistani state should ask the USA to hand her over to Pakistani custody. That's what a real modern, progressive state responsible for its citizen does. That's the kind of a state one would be truly proud of being a citizen of.

Perhaps the Pakistani right-wing religious and conservative's support for Aafia's case has turned you off. Or perhaps you feel ashamed of standing up to the USA and demanding basic adherence to human rights from the police of the world. Regardless, if you truly are an open-minded, liberal and free-thinking individual you too would demand for proper justice and claims for violation of human rights investigated.

Otherwise, by haphazardly labelling someone as a "terrorist" and thereby dehumanizing them, denying them of an independent, unbiased trial and legitimizing all kind of ill-treatments, torture and violation of basic human rights, you too become no different than the barbaric, backwards minded, medieval terrorists you want to see extinct. Your claims of being a progressive, open-minded, forward thinking and enlightened individual become nothing but empty words void of any meaning and authenticity.

 

[Sirris]

Bhaijan please explain to me why she was in Afghanistan? She was not there for making bangles. She was there for extremist activity. We need to accept that she was affiliated with extremists. Why do you think it is that several extremist groups have called for her release?

Bahi sahab, ok let's admit she was a hardcore terrorist.

Please read my reply above this one for my reasons to why still a demand for her return to Pakistan is justified and not something to be ashamed about.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The way you are rationalizing the actions of Aafia, it would be even difficult to convict hardcore terrorists. You cannot even answer why she was in Afghanistan. She was there to engage in Jihad. Her husband said she had also asked him to migrate to Muslim lands under occupation to fight invaders.

Regarding her divorce, her husband would know more about her personality, inclinations and mindset than you.

There are thousands of Muslim women in western prisons including hundreds on terror charges especially in Israel.How come AQ does not call for their release?

Why did she marry KSM? Maybe because their mindsets matched!!

She didn't. Please dont speak on topic you have no clue of.


Bottom line is the Americans claim she took a weapon off a solider and managed to point it at his head. lol

Ok nice story. Let the woman back, she has endured enough sexual abuse and toture by the land of the free.

 

[saeedhk]

She didn't. Please dont speak on topic you have no clue of.


Bottom line is the Americans claim she took a weapon off a solider and managed to point it at his head. lol

Ok nice story. Let the woman back, she has endured enough sexual abuse and toture by the land of the free.

Who was Ammar Al Baluchi?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Who was Ammar Al Baluchi?

Clearly not KSM

911 was an inside job, dont believe any of their **. One has to be an idiot to believe a woman was able to take the gun of an american soldier and point to his head when there were two soldiers! She's been sexually abused but thats ok too I guess?

 

[Zhasan]

Clearly not KSM

911 was an inside job, dont believe any of their **. One has to be an idiot to believe a woman was able to take the gun of an american soldier and point to his head when there were two soldiers! She's been sexually abused but thats ok too I guess?

That too a small emaciated, barely a 100 pound woman was able snatch a US Marine's M16 and was conveniently shot but then only injured. US military, paramilitary, heck even local cops are trained to shoot to kill and continue pumping bullets into assailants until the latter is dead, there is no way she would have lived had she really snatched a marine's rifle.

 

[troodon]

Clearly not KSM

911 was an inside job, dont believe any of their **. One has to be an idiot to believe a woman was able to take the gun of an american soldier and point to his head when there were two soldiers! She's been sexually abused but thats ok too I guess?

You and your conspiracy theories. Do you think Moon Landing was fake too?

 

[KingKhanWC]

You and your conspiracy theories. Do you think Moon Landing was fake too?

911 official story is a conspiracy theory. You believed Bilal was not freed lol. Stick to the topic and if you want to start a thread on 911, you will be embarrased again as you're knowlege is very poor on all subjects.

 

[troodon]

911 official story is a conspiracy theory. You believed Bilal was not freed lol. Stick to the topic and if you want to start a thread on 911, you will be embarrased again as you're knowlege is very poor on all subjects.

I am still not 100% convinced about Bilal. A free man would never ask for permission to leave from his Master.

You never answered the question I posted after that. The discussion was about Slavery and Islam does not prohibit it. Read my post. It lets Muslims take females and kids as slaves and also lets the Slave owner have sex with the females and sell them. Answer this in the other thread with proof.

Anyway, keep believing in conspiracies.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am still not 100% convinced about Bilal. A free man would never ask for permission to leave from his Master.

You never answered the question I posted after that. The discussion was about Slavery and Islam does not prohibit it. Read my post. It lets Muslims take females and kids as slaves and also lets the Slave owner have sex with the females and sell them. Answer this in the other thread with proof.

Anyway, keep believing in conspiracies.

You approach a subject with a pre-determined mind so will never understand. Posters have set you right but you still believe your own ignorance. It's probaby best you dont quote me as id rather not waste my time with someone so clueless in all matters. Thanks

 

[saeedhk]

Clearly not KSM

911 was an inside job, dont believe any of their **. One has to be an idiot to believe a woman was able to take the gun of an american soldier and point to his head when there were two soldiers! She's been sexually abused but thats ok too I guess?

Oh god!As I have said earlier, Pakistan is a nation of conspiracy theorists.

 

[Zeeraq]

Aafia Siddiqui does not want to return to Pakistan: FO spokesperson

Dr Aafia Siddiqui "does not want to come back to Pakistan" and reports of her possible repatriation are "mere chatter", according to Foreign Office Spokesperson Dr Mohammad Faisal.

Dr Faisal, in an interview with Independent Urdu, said that "she (Dr Aafia) will not come back. She does not want to come back herself, as per the information I have."

The FO spokesperson said that the only way the possibility of Dr Aafia's return could arise is if Prime Minister Imran Khan and US President Donald Trump met in the future.

In that case, "the exchange of Aafia Siddiqui for Shakeel Afridi could come under discussion," he added.

Dr Aafia's sister Dr Fouzia contested the FO spokesperson statement, telling Independent Urdu "if anyone says that Aafia herself does not want to come to Pakistan, it is completely untrue." She also confirmed that the consulate office in Houston had met Aafia last month.

Dr Fouzia further said that "at one point it had seemed as if Aafia was going come to Pakistan any moment." She said that she had been reassured by the government that negotiations with the US were ongoing and that "there will be a good news between January and March, but now silence has set in again."

"Aafia told me on the phone that she is ready to sign any document, and that she only wants to get out of jail somehow," Dr Fouzia was quoted as saying.

It is pertinent to mention here that last year, Dr Aafia's sister, Dr Fouzia, had requested Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi to take up the matter with the US.

The Foreign Minister had said that the issue of Dr Aafia's repatriation was "being considered", following which Consul General in Houston Aisha Farooqui had met Dr Aafia and urged the US to "respect her human and legal rights".

https://www.dawn.com/news/1477932/aafia-siddiqui-does-not-want-to-return-to-pakistan-fo-spokesperson

 

[Mueez]

No, thank you we don’t need any terrorists back.

 

[moghul]

Dr Aafia Siddiqui "does not want to come back to Pakistan" and reports of her possible repatriation are "mere chatter", according to Foreign Office Spokesperson Dr Mohammad Faisal.

Dr Faisal, in an interview with Independent Urdu, said that "she (Dr Aafia) will not come back. She does not want to come back herself, as per the information I have."

The FO spokesperson said that the only way the possibility of Dr Aafia's return could arise is if Prime Minister Imran Khan and US President Donald Trump met in the future.

In that case, "the exchange of Aafia Siddiqui for Shakeel Afridi could come under discussion," he added.

Dr Aafia's sister Dr Fouzia contested the FO spokesperson statement, telling Independent Urdu "if anyone says that Aafia herself does not want to come to Pakistan, it is completely untrue." She also confirmed that the consulate office in Houston had met Aafia last month.

Dr Fouzia further said that "at one point it had seemed as if Aafia was going come to Pakistan any moment." She said that she had been reassured by the government that negotiations with the US were ongoing and that "there will be a good news between January and March, but now silence has set in again."

"Aafia told me on the phone that she is ready to sign any document, and that she only wants to get out of jail somehow," Dr Fouzia was quoted as saying.

It is pertinent to mention here that last year, Dr Aafia's sister, Dr Fouzia, had requested Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi to take up the matter with the US.

The Foreign Minister had said that the issue of Dr Aafia's repatriation was "being considered", following which Consul General in Houston Aisha Farooqui had met Dr Aafia and urged the US to "respect her human and legal rights".

https://www.dawn.com/news/1477932/aafia-siddiqui-does-not-want-to-return-to-pakistan-fo-spokesperson

Great , we're self sufficient in terrorists, don;t need to bring more here.

 

[saeedhk]

We don’t need one more terrorist. The US is doing a good job for keep her out of Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: The mother of Dr Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani neuroscientist jailed in the US for almost a decade, has written an open letter to Prime Minister Imran Khan urging him to help free her daughter from US captivity.

A US court sentenced Dr Aafia Siddiqui to 86 years in prison in early 2010 on charges of attempted murder and assault stemming from an incident with US authorities in Afghanistan—charges she denied. She has since been languishing in a US jail.

The open letter from Ismat Siddiqui, Dr Aafia's mother, comes days before Prime Minister Imran Khan is scheduled to visit the US and meet with President Donald Trump at the White House in Washington.

"Surely, I do not need to remind you of how I am suffering, as the unjust captivity of the daughter of Pakistan is indeed as near and dear to your heart as mine. With due respect and a sad heart filled with new hope, I humbly request you to please help save my daughter Dr Aafia, whose name is now synonymous with the dignity and honor of Pakistan," writes grieving and ailing mother in the letter, addressing the Pakistani prime minister as "my dear son".

"Your visit to US and meeting with President Trump is a new ray of hope for Pakistanis and myself that you will not only demand the release of your sister Aafia but do so with a resolve only true leaders can," she wrote.

"My Son Imran Khan, need I remind you of our phone conversations? You are a ray of hope in this bleak time of uncertainty. My son, I am sure you agree that bringing Aafia back home is a singularly most important issue that not only raises the status of every Pakistani, it shows the world that when it comes to our honor and our daughters, we are no longer daughter sellers. Now Imran Khan is here to show we are a Nation of principle and dignity!"

"India will rise to highest levels for a terrorist just because he is theirs, America will take back Killers like Raymond Davis, why should we not stand for our innocent daughter? Aafia killed no one, She stands for love and peace, and regards you a great hero.

"Please, all I ask just allow a dying mother embrace her daughter and children reunite to pick up the pieces and have some closure.

"My health is ailing and I am becoming weaker as the days have turned into years, but I keep hope in Allah and the Quran, that a savior like you will rise, for Allah has bestowed on you the power to resolve this issue. Please bring back my daughter as a dying mothers mercy plea. Have the courage in your heart to take a firm stance. Insha'Allah Pakistan will rise victorious and dignified. May the guidance of Allah be with you."

https://www.geo.tv/latest/243365-dr-aafia-siddiquis-mother-writes-open-letter-to-pm-imran-khan

 

[Gabbar Singh]

If Pakistan really wants her back swap her with Dr Afridi.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">During meeting with Imran Khan, Trump to seek Shakil Afridi's release from Pak jail <br><br>READ: <a href="https://t.co/n1HXnQBsYi">https://t.co/n1HXnQBsYi</a> <a href="https://t.co/6NOSyIKyHs">pic.twitter.com/6NOSyIKyHs</a></p>— Times of India (@timesofindia) <a href="https://twitter.com/timesofindia/status/1152541160113491968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20 July 2019</a></blockquote>
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[moghul]

If Pakistan really wants her back swap her with Dr Afridi.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">During meeting with Imran Khan, Trump to seek Shakil Afridi's release from Pak jail <br><br>READ: <a href="https://t.co/n1HXnQBsYi">https://t.co/n1HXnQBsYi</a> <a href="https://t.co/6NOSyIKyHs">pic.twitter.com/6NOSyIKyHs</a></p>— Times of India (@timesofindia) <a href="https://twitter.com/timesofindia/status/1152541160113491968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20 July 2019</a></blockquote>
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Why would Pakistan want her release, does not make any sense.

 

[PetroDollars]

Why would Pakistan want her release, does not make any sense.

Most probably because IK is now elected and used her in his political campaigns and promised to bring her back, which he had been doing for over 10 years now.

 

[moghul]

Most probably because IK is now elected and used her in his political campaigns and promised to bring her back, which he had been doing for over 10 years now.

IK and most of the people in Pakistan are not stupid, they know this women joined terrorists in Afghanistan on her own will, leaving behind her husband and children. Only a group of moulvis like Jamat Islami making this issue to stay in news as they are fast becoming irrelevant. She got what she deserved.

 

[moghul]

If Pakistan really wants her back swap her with Dr Afridi.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">During meeting with Imran Khan, Trump to seek Shakil Afridi's release from Pak jail <br><br>READ: <a href="https://t.co/n1HXnQBsYi">https://t.co/n1HXnQBsYi</a> <a href="https://t.co/6NOSyIKyHs">pic.twitter.com/6NOSyIKyHs</a></p>— Times of India (@timesofindia) <a href="https://twitter.com/timesofindia/status/1152541160113491968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">20 July 2019</a></blockquote>
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The best option would be to give this guy and Hafiz Saeed both to USA and get something in return. Lets clean up Pakistan from all trouble makers.

 

[Napa]

The best option would be to give this guy and Hafiz Saeed both to USA and get something in return. Lets clean up Pakistan from all trouble makers.

A guy who helped find Osama Bin Laden is a "trouble maker"?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan: We also have someone in US prison, a frail woman called Aafia Siddqui and we could negotiate a swap [with Shakil Afridi].<br><br>Loved Bret Baier's "You are a prime minster, you can make a decision can’t you?" <a href="https://t.co/4WtA6Dkc40">pic.twitter.com/4WtA6Dkc40</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1153640839102566400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23 July 2019</a></blockquote>
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[blackanhyellow]

A guy who helped find Osama Bin Laden is a "trouble maker"?

Spying for a foreign intelligence agency is called treason.

Your intentions are a secondary thought. If they were a primary consideration Edward Snowden who blew the whistle on government illegal surveillance wouldn't be considered a criminal.

The damage shaqeel afridi did, firstly it embarrassed Pakistan on the international stage especially their military intelligence or lack of it. Second all NGOs and polio aid workers that were attacked for being suspected of espionage by militants is because of this incident. Pakistan is trying to eradicate polio, and it has become infinitely harder as locals view polio workers as those with an agenda. And poor polio workers also lost their lives.

 

[blackanhyellow]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan: We also have someone in US prison, a frail woman called Aafia Siddqui and we could negotiate a swap [with Shakil Afridi].<br><br>Loved Bret Baier's "You are a prime minster, you can make a decision can’t you?" &#55357;&#56836; <a href="https://t.co/4WtA6Dkc40">pic.twitter.com/4WtA6Dkc40</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1153640839102566400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23 July 2019</a></blockquote>
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He just meant he cant make that decision as it is political suicide. Opposition will nail him to a cross.

But ofcourse people are trying to make it about him being a puppet PM to the military, very predictable.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Isn't it sad that we want this convicted extremist back in our country. When will be learn to disassociate ourselves from the likes of Hafiz Saeed and Dr Afia? We will not progress as a nation until then

Nawaz is a convicted criminal sentenced to jail. Yet people think he is masoom and there is a Saazish against him.

Ali wazir was caught attacking a army check post yet some people say he was leading a peaceful demonstration.

Pakistanis don't believe anything. They are therefore not going to believe that she did what the u.s. accused her of.

Keep in mind many innocent people went to Guantanamo or were tortured elsewhere. U.s. legal system isn't perfect.

 

[Napa]

Spying for a foreign intelligence agency is called treason.

So basically your position is "my country, right or wrong". If Pakistan is hiding the mass murderer Osama, and Shakil Afridi helps find him, then he becomes a bad guy.

You realize that Shakil Afridi only worked against the Pakistan government, only committed "treason" against Pakistan, IF it was the intention of the Pakistan government to provide Osama a safe hiding place.

Your intentions are a secondary thought. If they were a primary consideration Edward Snowden who blew the whistle on government illegal surveillance wouldn't be considered a criminal.

Indeed I do not consider Snowden a criminal, especially as his revelations led to laws being changed for the better.

The damage shaqeel afridi did, firstly it embarrassed Pakistan on the international stage especially their military intelligence or lack of it. Second all NGOs and polio aid workers that were attacked for being suspected of espionage by militants is because of this incident. Pakistan is trying to eradicate polio, and it has become infinitely harder as locals view polio workers as those with an agenda. And poor polio workers also lost their lives.

Apparently you are concerned about every possible aspect of the matter other than Osama being brought to justice.

No more replies from me.

 

[blackanhyellow]

So basically your position is "my country, right or wrong". If Pakistan is hiding the mass murderer Osama, and Shakil Afridi helps find him, then he becomes a bad guy.

You realize that Shakil Afridi only worked against the Pakistan government, only committed "treason" against Pakistan, IF it was the intention of the Pakistan government to provide Osama a safe hiding place.



Indeed I do not consider Snowden a criminal, especially as his revelations led to laws being changed for the better.



Apparently you are concerned about every possible aspect of the matter other than Osama being brought to justice.

No more replies from me.

Shakeel spied for a foreign intelligence agency.

It embarrassed ISI because they didn't know Osama was there.

There is no indication ISI knew of Osama being there. CIA is deeply invested in Pakistan and even they didn't find any evidence that ISI knew where he was.

Fact is no country permits their citizens to spy for a foreign agency. It sets a bad precedent.

You may not consider Snowden a criminal but the u.s. does. As he leaked information to foreign intelligence agencies. U.s. had no choice but to convict him. Otherwise it would set a bad precedent.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: The Senate was informed on Thursday that Dr Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani neuroscientist convicted by a US court on the charge of shooting at army and FBI officers while in custody in Afghanistan, has finally signed a mercy petition.

Adviser to the Prime Minister on Parliamentary Affairs Babar Awan said during the question hour that earlier Dr Siddiqui had reservations over filing the mercy petition, but now she has signed it and the petition was being sent to the US president through the jail authorities.

“If we had the power, we would have brought Aafia Siddiqui to Pakistan within 24 hours,” Mr Awan said.

He said Dr Siddiqui had access to e-mail through which she stayed in touch with her family and counsel.

Besides, he said, Dr Aafia had spoken to officials of Pakistan Embassy in the United States by telephone several times.

The adviser said that legal action could be taken against those who had handed over Dr Siddiqui and Aimal Kansi to the United States.

On behalf of the foreign minister, Mr Awan was responding to a question asked by Senator Mushtaq Ahmad who had sought to confirm whether ban had been imposed on meetings with Dr Siddiqui in the US jail during the Covid-19 pandemic and the number of Covid-19 patients was increasing in that prison.

The written reply said that during the pandemic, the consular visits had been suspended by the prison authorities in Federal Medical Centre, Carswell, a US federal prison in Fort Worth, Texas, for female inmates with special medical and mental health needs.

“Resultantly, in person meetings of our Consul General with Dr Aafia Siddiqui had been put on hold. However, Consul General remained in touch with the prison authorities in order to get updates on the health and well-being of Dr Aafia,” the reply said.

It said that due to efforts made by Pakistan’s Embassy in Washington DC, a special consular visit had been arranged for the consul general in Houston to meet Dr Siddiqui on Sept 24. During the meeting she herself informed the consul general that her Covid-19 test had come negative. She was alert in her conversation with the diplomat and told him that she had recently been examined by her psychiatrist who had declared her well.

Published in Dawn, October 30th, 2020

https://www.dawn.com/news/1587743/aafia-has-signed-mercy-petition-senate-told

 

[saeedhk]

The US should keep this terrorist in their jail. Pakistan is already overflowing with jihadis.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Siddiqui is a pawn in a rotten game between various intelligence agencies. She’ll never come back to Pakistan alive as it would expose what was going on during the peak of the war on terror where Pakistani agencies were quite happy to kidnap and hand over their own citizens to US authorities knowing full well what would happen to them.

 

[Nadeemp]

Siddiqui is a pawn in a rotten game between various intelligence agencies. She’ll never come back to Pakistan alive as it would expose what was going on during the peak of the war on terror where Pakistani agencies were quite happy to kidnap and hand over their own citizens to US authorities knowing full well what would happen to them.

Why is there sympathy for her. Is she not a convicted criminal?

 

[saeedhk]

Pakistan is a nation that worships extremists and blood-hungry individuals but shuns people who speak for humanity, justice and education.

 

[Napa]

What happened to the proposed swap between her and the Pakistani doctor who helped find OBL?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

What happened to the proposed swap between her and the Pakistani doctor who helped find OBL?

It was just lip service. The British journalist, and former Taliban hostage, Yvonne Ridley claims that Pakistan don’t want her back.

This was written by her in 2018.

The time has now come to end my silence over this affair. I can reveal that I was literally days away from getting Dr Siddiqui released from Carswell Prison in Fort Worth with a full US Presidential pardon. She was to be exchanged for Robert “Bowe” Bergdahl, an American soldier who was held captive from June 2009 to May 2014 by the Taliban.

After being approached by senior members of the Taliban Shura (consultative council) while I was visiting the region in 2013, I was told that it might be possible to exchange Bergdahl for the Pakistan-born doctor and mother-of-three. I immediately made contact with US military intelligence, because I knew that if anyone was going to take me seriously it would be the US Army, which has a proud boast of “never leaving any soldier behind”. My instincts served me well, and I was soon put in contact with a senior military officer well versed in hostage negotiations.

Over a period of months and subsequent visits to the men who once held me captive, a deal was formulated. It involved no money, just a straightforward swap; Siddiqui for Bergdahl.

I had not informed anyone in Pakistan of what I was attempting because, quite frankly, many of the politicians I’ve encountered there are untrustworthy and I knew that there would be elements within the country’s intelligence network that would resist such a move. As such, I began making plans to bring Dr Aafia from a drop point in Afghanistan and over the border through the Khyber Pass, where we could then hold a press conference and make the announcement of her freedom.

The exchange with Bergdahl was to have been be done simultaneously. The final request made to me was a “proof of life” video showing the Americans that the soldier was still alive, and this was agreed by his captors.

When I returned for yet another clandestine meeting with the Taliban officials, though, they looked downcast and nervous. Through a translator I was told: “Dr Aafia is off the table. Maybe there’s someone else we can trade?” I was shocked and asked why, but very little information was given, which then prompted me to throw several insults questioning their honour and Islamic duty to try to free prisoners.

This was a risky thing to do because no one from my family, friends or colleagues knew where I was or who I was talking to; or, indeed, any of the details of my many trips to Pakistan and Afghanistan. However, as you can imagine, having spent so much time and getting so far in negotiations I was frustrated, even though I tried to keep a lid on the rage burning inside me.

Finally, out of the silence came the Taliban’s answer; it still shocks me today. The ISI had stumbled across our plans during one of their regular meetings with the Afghan Taliban, who were informed in no uncertain terms that Aafia Siddiqui must not be released; if she was returned to Pakistan, stressed the ISI officers, she’d most likely be dead within two days. I asked why, as Afghans, they were taking any notice of a Pakistani spy agency and questioned why Mullah Omar would have entered into such a dishonourable deal. Little did I know that the Taliban’s spiritual leader had, in fact, died some months earlier and his death would not be announced in public for another year.

After some discussion amongst themselves, the translator responded: “Hundreds of our soldiers have been injured in battles and the ISI has made arrangements to take care of them in Pakistan. Without their help and support we would be really struggling. We need them. When we stood up to America and refused to hand over Osama [Bin Laden] we had a country. We never wanted a war with the Americans, they brought the war to us. Until we regain our country we are not in the same position of strength as we were in 2001. Surely you must understand that?”

I got up and left with my guide, and have not met with the Taliban since.

What I have learned from all of this is that Dr Aafia Siddiqui would be free now if she was not a Pakistani citizen. Despite all the demonstrations and protests in Pakistan — and tears shed for the so-called “Daughter of the Nation” — she is not going home. Astonishingly, not one single official request has ever been made to the US authorities by the government in Islamabad to have her released.

Aafia will thus continue to be a symbol of everything that is wrong with George W Bush’s never-ending War on Terror; a pawn in a vile game being played out by Pakistan’s ISI and others. She will also be a rallying point for every would-be jihadi group from East to West as long as she is being held in that prison in Texas.

I’ve spoken to several Pakistani diplomats in recent years about Dr Siddiqui, telling them that if their Prime Ministers and Presidents are really sincere about wanting to bring her home then all they have to do is pick up the phone to Washington and organise a swap with Dr Shakil Afridi. He is the man, you may recall, who was jailed in Pakistan for his part in helping US forces hunt down and kill Osama Bin Laden.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...a-prisoner-swap-to-release-dr-aafia-siddiqui/

 

[Napa]

It was just lip service. The British journalist, and former Taliban hostage, Yvonne Ridley claims that Pakistan don’t want her back.

This was written by her in 2018.


https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...a-prisoner-swap-to-release-dr-aafia-siddiqui/

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Really very revealing that the doctor who helped locate the biggest terrorist of the 21st Century is rotting in a Pakistani prison, and then people wonder why Pakistan spends time of FATF lists. Shame also on the Americans that they didn't arrange for the extrication of the doctor who had served them well.

 

[Nadeemp]

What happened to the proposed swap between her and the Pakistani doctor who helped find OBL?

I don’t think pakistán wants the lady and handing in the spy will be a political suicide. So everything stands as is.

 

[Napa]

I don’t think pakistán wants the lady and handing in the spy will be a political suicide. So everything stands as is.

If Allen Davis who shot dead 2 Pakistanis, had one more killed in a rescue attempt, and caused the widow of one killed commit suicide, is released in less than 2 months, I am sure Afridi could be released too.

 

[Nadeemp]

If Allen Davis who shot dead 2 Pakistanis, had one more killed in a rescue attempt, and caused the widow of one killed commit suicide, is released in less than 2 months, I am sure Afridi could be released too.

He was an American. Imran can’t afford to release him

 

[Napa]

He was an American. Imran can’t afford to release him

There are claims that he was made a scapegoat by the Americans to protect someone else. That could explain why he hasn't been released yet, or it could just be fake news.

 

[Nadeemp]

There are claims that he was made a scapegoat by the Americans to protect someone else. That could explain why he hasn't been released yet, or it could just be fake news.

I don’t live in Pakistan and don’t follow the news that carefully. In that case if true Afridi is totally screwed.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Adviser to the PM on Parliamentary Affairs Babar Awan on Monday hoped that US president-elect Joe Biden would make Dr Aafia Siddiqui’s return possible.

Babar Awan said this in a meeting with Dr Aafia’s sister Fauzia Siddiqui.

Dr Aafia, a Pakistani neuroscientist jailed in the United States, was indicted by a New York federal district court in September 2008 on charges of attempted murder and assault, stemming from an incident during an interview with the US authorities in Ghazni, Afghanistan — charges that she denied.

After 18 months in detention, she was tried and convicted in early 2010 and sentenced to 86 years in prison. She has since been imprisoned in the US.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/320067-go...g-dr-aafia-siddiqui-back-home-babar-awan-says

 

[saeedhk]

Hopefully, Aafia will forever remain in jail and pay the price for her crimes.

 

[Nadeemp]

Hopefully, Aafia will forever remain in jail and pay the price for her crimes.

I don’t understand why she is a hero in Pakistan. From whatever I have read she is a looney and a terrorist. . Also I don’t think honestly pakistán wants her back.

 

[saeedhk]

I don’t understand why she is a hero in Pakistan. From whatever I have read she is a looney and a terrorist. . Also I don’t think honestly pakistán wants her back.

Because she bays for blood, holds extreme views and advocates for violence. This is the criteria to stardom in Pakistan.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because she bays for blood, holds extreme views and advocates for violence. This is the criteria to stardom in Pakistan.

lol. You have to be slow to believe this woman took guns off American troops and then tried to kill them. Since then she has been sexually abused in jail. I assume you glee at this too.

You are more anti Pakistan extremist than she ever was anti American.

 

[saeedhk]

lol. You have to be slow to believe this woman took guns off American troops and then tried to kill them. Since then she has been sexually abused in jail. I assume you glee at this too.

You are more anti Pakistan extremist than she ever was anti American.

What was she doing in Afghanistan? Why was she carrying chemicals? And, why is it that whenever militant outfits such as the ISIS kidnap western hostages, they demand the release of Aafia? She isn't the only Muslim woman under US incarceration. There are hundreds of thousands of Muslim women who are incarcerated in non-Muslim prison. Why do militants always demand her release while ignoring hundreds of thousands of Muslim women who are also living under such conditions?

 

[KingKhanWC]

What was she doing in Afghanistan? Why was she carrying chemicals? And, why is it that whenever militant outfits such as the ISIS kidnap western hostages, they demand the release of Aafia? She isn't the only Muslim woman under US incarceration. There are hundreds of thousands of Muslim women who are incarcerated in non-Muslim prison. Why do militants always demand her release while ignoring hundreds of thousands of Muslim women who are also living under such conditions?

Governments were asking for her release before any 'militiants'.

What were the invading terrorist armies doing in Afghanistan? Many aid workers went to help those whose lives were being destoryed by a terrorist invasion.

So you believe a woman as weak her as her was able to take a GUN off a soldier and pointed it at other soldiers in order to kill them lool. You also have not condemed the sexual abuse of this woman by American soldiers.

Its fine, you wont be banned. Do you wish all Muslim women are imprisoned and abused?

 

[Nadeemp]

Governments were asking for her release before any 'militiants'.

What were the invading terrorist armies doing in Afghanistan? Many aid workers went to help those whose lives were being destoryed by a terrorist invasion.

So you believe a woman as weak her as her was able to take a GUN off a soldier and pointed it at other soldiers in order to kill them lool. You also have not condemed the sexual abuse of this woman by American soldiers.

Its fine, you wont be banned. Do you wish all Muslim women are imprisoned and abused?

What a laughable post. Please condemn the sexual abuse of women by the invading army. Dude who would not condemn that. Where did u get if all muslim women should be abused or imprisoned?
This woman was a nut and should stay in the USA . It’s their problem.

 

[rhony]

ISLAMABAD: Adviser to the PM on Parliamentary Affairs Babar Awan on Monday hoped that US president-elect Joe Biden would make Dr Aafia Siddiqui’s return possible.

Babar Awan said this in a meeting with Dr Aafia’s sister Fauzia Siddiqui.

Dr Aafia, a Pakistani neuroscientist jailed in the United States, was indicted by a New York federal district court in September 2008 on charges of attempted murder and assault, stemming from an incident during an interview with the US authorities in Ghazni, Afghanistan — charges that she denied.

After 18 months in detention, she was tried and convicted in early 2010 and sentenced to 86 years in prison. She has since been imprisoned in the US.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/320067-go...g-dr-aafia-siddiqui-back-home-babar-awan-says

Biden should honor this request. Absolute waste of tax payer money, my money feeding this lunatic. A genius with lunacy is still called a lunatic. All those meds she's being given in the prison are very expensive. I don't think she holds any strategic value either. Just let her loose

 

[rhony]

Governments were asking for her release before any 'militiants'.

What were the invading terrorist armies doing in Afghanistan? Many aid workers went to help those whose lives were being destoryed by a terrorist invasion.

So you believe a woman as weak her as her was able to take a GUN off a soldier and pointed it at other soldiers in order to kill them lool. You also have not condemed the sexual abuse of this woman by American soldiers.

Its fine, you wont be banned. Do you wish all Muslim women are imprisoned and abused?

The "invading armies" asked Taliban to hand Bin Laden over. But the warriors denied. Instead they handed him over to ISI and he hid like a rat for years. Tens of thousands of lives, trillions of dollars would have been saved if they just handed over Laden. Even his death would have been gracious instead of cowardly. Taliban lunatics are usually localized and not many care about what happens in Afghanistan. Could have spared the world a lot of drama.

 

[saeedhk]

Governments were asking for her release before any 'militiants'.

What were the invading terrorist armies doing in Afghanistan? Many aid workers went to help those whose lives were being destoryed by a terrorist invasion.

So you believe a woman as weak her as her was able to take a GUN off a soldier and pointed it at other soldiers in order to kill them lool. You also have not condemed the sexual abuse of this woman by American soldiers.

Its fine, you wont be banned. Do you wish all Muslim women are imprisoned and abused?

We are discussing Aafia and not the unlawful wars waged by the US and its allies. Do you know her former husband said that he divorced her because she was violent and she had very extreme views? This was before 9/11. She later married the nephew of KSM.

He also said that from the onset of their marriage in late 1990s, she was interested in jihad.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I really hope Imran Khan and his government lets this matter go. We do not need this terrorist back.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Dr Aafia Siddiqui, a US citizen of Pakistani origin, refused to meet Pakistan’s consul general for processing her mercy petition, the foreign ministry informed the Islamabad High Court on Monday.

The ministry submitted the report in connection with a petition filed by Dr Aafia’s sister, Dr Fowzia Siddiqui, seeking her repatriation from the US. Justice Aamer Farooq heard the petition.

While apprising the court of the status of the mercy petition, the report stated that “following the signing of the mercy petition by Dr Aafia during the December 2019 consular visit, our embassy in Washington DC had approached the US Department of Justice (DoJ) for further course of action.

“The Office of Pardon Attorney at DoJ advised that the signed petition could be filed by the inmate herself by post or through the jail warden or through her appointed attorney.

“In the absence of the appointed lawyer, the only other option was that inmate lodges the petition herself through the prison warden.”

The report said that in order to address this caveat, “the consul general in Houston planned a visit to Federal Medical Centre (FMC) in Carswell, US, to meet Dr Aafia Siddiqui. The meeting was scheduled on March 27, 2020, which was cancelled due to the Covid-19 pandemic. As an alternative, the petition was sent to the FMC so that it could be forwarded to DoJ, but the FMC informed that Dr Aafia has refused to sign the additional consent form for dispatching the petition to DoJ”.

It further stated that “the consul general approached prison authorities for consular access at the earliest. Only after the intervention of the embassy in Washington, a special consular visit was arranged for the consul general on Sept 24, 2020, but the consent form could not be signed during that meeting. The consul general again went to meet Dr Aafia on Dec 15, 2020, but prison authorities informed him that Dr Aafia has refused to meet him”. According to the report, Dr Aafia Siddiqui tested Covid-19 negative and her mental condition was stable.

Justice Farooq, however, termed the report unsatisfactory and remarked that there was no progress at all for the last five years as the petition had been filed in 2015. He sought a comprehensive report from the ministry in a fortnight and adjourned the hearing of the case till Feb 10. The court also summoned the joint secretary of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the next date of the case hearing.

Published in Dawn, January 12th, 2021

 

[Theo_14]

Most probably because IK is now elected and used her in his political campaigns and promised to bring her back, which he had been doing for over 10 years now.

One of many promises he failed to deliver lol.

Came across this recently; worth a watch:

https://youtu.be/YvAGpWds8D8

 

[KingKhanWC]

We are discussing Aafia and not the unlawful wars waged by the US and its allies. Do you know her former husband said that he divorced her because she was violent and she had very extreme views? This was before 9/11. She later married the nephew of KSM.

He also said that from the onset of their marriage in late 1990s, she was interested in jihad.

What matters is the events and the evidence. No woman like her could take weapons off Yank soldiers, its a farce.

Put away your anti-Pak views and stand up for womens rights.

She has also been abused in prison, something you may also support.

 

[moghul]

ISLAMABAD: Dr Aafia Siddiqui, a US citizen of Pakistani origin, refused to meet Pakistan’s consul general for processing her mercy petition, the foreign ministry informed the Islamabad High Court on Monday.

The ministry submitted the report in connection with a petition filed by Dr Aafia’s sister, Dr Fowzia Siddiqui, seeking her repatriation from the US. Justice Aamer Farooq heard the petition.

While apprising the court of the status of the mercy petition, the report stated that “following the signing of the mercy petition by Dr Aafia during the December 2019 consular visit, our embassy in Washington DC had approached the US Department of Justice (DoJ) for further course of action.

“The Office of Pardon Attorney at DoJ advised that the signed petition could be filed by the inmate herself by post or through the jail warden or through her appointed attorney.

“In the absence of the appointed lawyer, the only other option was that inmate lodges the petition herself through the prison warden.”

The report said that in order to address this caveat, “the consul general in Houston planned a visit to Federal Medical Centre (FMC) in Carswell, US, to meet Dr Aafia Siddiqui. The meeting was scheduled on March 27, 2020, which was cancelled due to the Covid-19 pandemic. As an alternative, the petition was sent to the FMC so that it could be forwarded to DoJ, but the FMC informed that Dr Aafia has refused to sign the additional consent form for dispatching the petition to DoJ”.

It further stated that “the consul general approached prison authorities for consular access at the earliest. Only after the intervention of the embassy in Washington, a special consular visit was arranged for the consul general on Sept 24, 2020, but the consent form could not be signed during that meeting. The consul general again went to meet Dr Aafia on Dec 15, 2020, but prison authorities informed him that Dr Aafia has refused to meet him”. According to the report, Dr Aafia Siddiqui tested Covid-19 negative and her mental condition was stable.

Justice Farooq, however, termed the report unsatisfactory and remarked that there was no progress at all for the last five years as the petition had been filed in 2015. He sought a comprehensive report from the ministry in a fortnight and adjourned the hearing of the case till Feb 10. The court also summoned the joint secretary of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the next date of the case hearing.

Published in Dawn, January 12th, 2021

I obviously have sympathies for women and children when they're in trouble, but not for a terrorist even she is a woman. Her husband ( 2nd, the Jihadi one, for whom she left her children and physician husband ) ) and his group killed thousands of Pakistani's and she was a part of it.

 

[Stewie]

She should stay in jail.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

She is a terrorist. That much is clear

 

[Napa]

One of many promises he failed to deliver lol.

Came across this recently; worth a watch:

https://youtu.be/YvAGpWds8D8

The video presents Aafia's side of the story. The other side is that she married Ammar al-Baluchi, an accused al-Qaeda member and a nephew of al-Qaeda leader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. There are many other allegations of her connections to Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations.

Do I believe that she tried to shoot some US Army soldiers? Maybe, maybe not. Was she framed? Again, maybe or maybe not. If the US framed her, they certainly really wanted her behind bars for the rest of her life, and the video's claim that she was framed because she was trying to educated children is rather unconvincing.

3,000+ people died in 9/11, and there is enough motivation for US government personnel to come hard at anyone they feel may have been part of the plot.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan has lodged a formal complaint with the United States authorities to investigate the assault on Dr Aafia Siddiqui in prison, the foreign office spokesperson said on Saturday.

“We lodged a formal complaint with the relevant US authorities to thoroughly investigate the matter and ensure the safety and well-being of Dr Siddiqui,” FO Spokesperson Zahid Hafeez Chaudhri said in response to media queries.

“We learnt of an assault on Dr Aafia Siddiqui by a fellow inmate at FMC Carswell on July 30, 2021," he said and added that the embassy in Washington DC, as well as the Consulate General in Houston, immediately took up the matter with the concerned US authorities.

He mentioned that Pakistan’s Consul General in Houston visited Dr Siddiqui immediately to ascertain her well-being. "She had received some minor injuries, but was doing fine."

Zahid said that both the embassy of Pakistan in Washington DC and the consulate in Houston continued to make every effort to ensure that Dr Siddiqui was properly looked after during her incarceration at FMC Carswell.

In 2010, a US federal court in Manhattan had sentenced Dr Aafia Siddiqui to 86 years imprisonment for the attempted murder of US military personnel in Afghanistan. She is serving her sentence at the Federal Medical Centre, Carswell, Fort Worth in Texas.

Incidents of abuse against Dr Siddiqui have been reported in the past as well. In June 2018, a confidential report prepared by Pakistan's consul general in Houston of her visit to Dr Aafia Siddiqui claimed that she was subjected to physical and sexual abuse during her ongoing detention.

The report had recommended diplomatic authorities to take up the case at the highest levels to find a way for her repatriation so that she can serve her remaining sentence in Pakistan, where her modesty and privacy would not be interfered with.

Later that year, Washington had promised to look into the request made by Islamabad to review Dr Siddiqui's detention in view of respecting her human and legal rights.

Pakistan has been raising the issue with the United States on a regular basis. However, no progress has been made in this regard so far.

(With additional input from APP)

 

[Colorblind Genius]

The best chance was to trade her with Raymond Davis, but our haram khore leaders at that time, went to their knees as usual when they saw a little money and a little pressure.

 

[Napa]

At one point is seemed that she would be exchanged for Dr. Afridi. IK expressed an interest in doing so, so it must be that the US rejected the exchange offer.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1495732

 

[Colorblind Genius]

At one point is seemed that she would be exchanged for Dr. Afridi. IK expressed an interest in doing so, so it must be that the US rejected the exchange offer.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1495732

Yes, Yvonne Ridley also tried quite a bit and I think she is still active, but most likely the U.S., is not giving up simply because Pakistan does not have too much on the table to offer.
Raymond Davis was the best chance.

 

[Pakpak]

Yes, Yvonne Ridley also tried quite a bit and I think she is still active, but most likely the U.S., is not giving up simply because Pakistan does not have too much on the table to offer.
Raymond Davis was the best chance.

I have read from numerous sources Pakistan has never approached the US for a swap whether Davis or Afridi and has never asked the US to officially hand her over.

 

[ahmedzee]

She is a terrorist. That much is clear

Where is the proof? I have failed to find one after numerous research I did many years ago. If you can find one, please send it my way. It should obey the laws of physics as we don't live in a marvel universe.

 

[saeedhk]

I have read from numerous sources Pakistan has never approached the US for a swap whether Davis or Afridi and has never asked the US to officially hand her over.

That is true. Pakistan does not want her. All statements by our govt are for public consumption.

 

[MenInG]

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) directed on Friday the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to facilitate the family of Pakistani neuroscientist Dr Aafia Siddiqui, who is currently serving 86-year jail term for attempted murder and other felonies, in acquiring visas for the United States.

Dr Aafia is currently imprisoned at the Federal Medical Centre, Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas.

The court also ordered the foreign office to ensure that Dr Aafia's family doesn't face any hardship while travelling to the United States.

The directives were given during a hearing regarding the release of Dr Aafia by IHC judge Justice Sardar Aijaz Ishaq Khan. Petitioner Dr Fauzia Siddiqui, sister of Dr Aafia, appeared in the court along with her lawyer Dr Sajid Qureshi whereas Raheel Mohsin represented the foreign ministry.

During the hearing, the foreign office submitted a report regarding Dr Aafia Siddiqui’s imprisonment details in court. The court asked whether any contact was made with the Pakistani scientist to which Dr Fauzia's lawyer responded by saying that the contact could not be established.

The foreign ministry representative said that they tried to contact Dr Aafia but she refused it, adding that the US prison officials told them that Dr Aafia does not wish to contact her family.

He said that the prison officials told the foreign ministry that they cannot force Dr Aafia to make the contact if she does not wish to do so.

The court inquired whether the Pakistani Consul General had made any contact with the petitioner or his family. To this, the foreign ministry representative said that the Consul General was in constant touch with the petitioner.

Read more: Pakistan lodges complaint with US to probe assault on Dr Aafia

The counsel for the petitioner argued that he did not understand why Dr Aafia would not want to make contact with her family. The foreign ministry representative said that the ministry would try to facilitate the family's visa so that they could contact her themselves.

During the hearing, Dr Fauzia Siddiqui said that her brother spent special occasions such as Eid, Diwali and Christmas outside the prison but the officials say that Dr Aafia has passed away.

"We are suspicious [about Dr Aafia's passing] because we were not allowed to meet or talk to her... a lawyer had met Dr Aafia who told us that she was in critical condition," she added.

The court asked Dr Fauzia whether she would like to visit her sister herself to which she replied that she would like to go but the Pakistan embassy in the US must ensure her safety.

Dr Fauzia feared that if she goes to the US, she too will be arrested by the American authorities. According to Dr Fauzia, her brother is not well and not in a position to go to prison.

The foreign ministry representative said that they can request for the family's visa but they cannot guarantee whether it will be issued or not.

He said that the ministry would provide the form for the US visa. However, the applicant has to apply for the visa themselves online. Later, the court adjourned the hearing till August 5.

In 2010, a US federal court in Manhattan sentenced Dr Aafia Siddiqui to 86 years imprisonment for the attempted murder of US military personnel in Afghanistan. She is serving her sentence at the Federal Medical Centre, Carswell, Fort Worth in Texas.

Incidents of abuse against Dr Aafia have been reported in the past. In June 2018, a confidential report prepared by Pakistan's consul general in Houston of her visit to Dr Aafia Siddiqui claimed that she was subjected to physical and sexual abuse during her ongoing detention.

The report had recommended diplomatic authorities to take up the case at the highest levels to find a way for her repatriation so that she can serve her remaining sentence in Pakistan, where her modesty and privacy would not be interfered with.

Later that year, Washington had promised to look into the request made by Islamabad to review Dr Aafia's detention in view of respecting her human and legal rights.

Pakistan has been raising the issue with the United States on a regular basis. However, no progress has been made in this regard so far.

Express Tribune

 

[MenInG]

The Islamabad High Court was informed on Monday that Dr Fauzia Siddiqui, the sister of Dr Aafia Siddiqui, has been granted a US visa that will allow her to meet with her incarcerated sister in the United States.

Dr Aafia Siddiqui is a Pakistani national, who is serving an 86-year sentence at the US Federal Medical Centre in Texas, United States, following her conviction by a federal court in New York in 2010 on attempted murder and other charges.

During a hearing concerning the release of Dr Aafia Siddiqui, Additional Attorney General Munawar Iqbal Dogar informed the court about the development, Express News reported.

He stated that Dr Fauzia Siddiqui and her sister’s American lawyer Clive Smith will meet with the incarcerated Pakistani national in the US jail from May 29 to May 31.

The court has directed the government to arrange an independent psychiatric evaluation for Dr Aafia Siddiqui, share all documents and information related to her case with her lawyer Clive Smith, and ensure that such information is not used for any other purpose beyond the scope of the case.

The court adjourned the case until June 30 for further hearing.

Express Tribune

 

[daytrader]

Aafia Siddiqui meets her sister Dr. Fowzia after 20 years

Dr Fowzia met her sister Dr. Aafia Siddiqui in Fort Worth town of the United States where she is currently detained, after the long wait of 20 years.

British attorney Clive Stafford Smith accompanied Dr. Fowzia Siddiqui to meet her sister.

According to JI Senator Mushtaq Ahmad Khan, Aafia Siddiqui is currently being detained at the infamous FMC Carswell prison. Dr. Aafia Siddiqui has been granted the right to meet her family. The senator said that Aafia’s elder sister Dr. Fowzia has met Aafia and he is next to meet the “Daughter of Nation” on Thursday.

Senator Mushtaq narrated that both sisters met each other after 20 years and the meeting spanned over two and a half hour. While meeting her sister, Dr. Fowzia was neither allowed to touch her sister nor was she allowed to show her the pictures of Dr. Aafia’s children. Both the sisters met in a room separated by a thick glass wall.

Dr. Fowzia further added that Aafia is not in a good condition. She was waiting to her meet mother and children and she does not even know that our mother died almost a year ago.

ARY

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I have read from numerous sources Pakistan has never approached the US for a swap whether Davis or Afridi and has never asked the US to officially hand her over.

Last time I spoke to Yvonne Ridley, she was working towards brokering a deal between the US and Pak govt under IK before all hell broke loose in Pakistan. God knows what's the truth but according Yvonne, the ISI did not want Afia back in Pakistan.

 

[Major]

I have read from numerous sources Pakistan has never approached the US for a swap whether Davis or Afridi and has never asked the US to officially hand her over.

And Pakistan should never had.

She was a terrorist, and if she comes back to Pakistan alive its going to be ahuge problem as the whole country sympathizes with her and look up to her.

At the end of the day she was a terrorist and a convicted one. Whether one doesnt agree with it because of there so called understanding of physics and all, they can believe whatever they want.

Pakistan knows that if this terrorist is allowed back in society god knows what she might preach or how she will be looked up by the people.

Many our mnas tried to bring back this terrorist, alot of them belonging to the religious party.

Atleast Shakeel Afridi led to an international terrorist being caught and killed, but trading him for an actual terrorist would be an insult for the work Shakil Afridi had done.