ECB to decide in next 24-48 hours whether tour of Pakistan will proceed

[Babeikh]

Yes, there is more at stake.

I would not mind if ECB declines to tour, so long as they do so respectfully and with accordance with the PCB.

New Zealand could have declined the tour in a similar fashion and avoided all the hate that they are receiving.

If I were the New Zealand Cricket Board, and received a security threat, this is how I would approach the situation:



Once you include the PCB in the statement, you would know that both administrations understood that there were logistical challenges. That would be a much easier pill to swallow, and would do much less harm to Pakistan.

Brilliant post.
This is exactly how they should have framed it. Even added something like :

'We have utmost confidence in the security that Pakistan has provided us. However we believe this threat is genuine and credible. We do not wish for lives of the security personnel or Pakistani civilians to be put at risk. It is for this reason that we have decided to abandon this tour for now...'

Man I'm not even a communications professional....I assume you aren't either and we have come up with a better way of handling and communicating this than the arrogant New Zealanders

 

[ahsan17]

Brilliant post.
This is exactly how they should have framed it. Even added something like :

'We have utmost confidence in the security that Pakistan has provided us. However we believe this threat is genuine and credible. We do not wish for lives of the security personnel or Pakistani civilians to be put at risk. It is for this reason that we have decided to abandon this tour for now...'

Man I'm not even a communications professional....I assume you aren't either and we have come up with a better way of handling and communicating this than the arrogant New Zealanders

I don't think PCB would have gone for that, because that would have given credence to the supposed threat, and do even more damage to Pakistan hosting future series, especially given Pakistan thinks there was no such threat.

 

[reversehook]

ecb would cancel their tour in a blink of an eye, but whats keeping them undecided is a) stalling is gona make it look better b) if corona gets worse again, its the likes of pcb who line up to help, not aus nz or look what ind did with the last test... intetesting times...

 

[Babeikh]

I don't think PCB would have gone for that, because that would have given credence to the supposed threat, and do even more damage to Pakistan hosting future series, especially given Pakistan thinks there was no such threat.

I was talking about how New Zealand should have framed it - not PCB.

There is a list of options for NZ:

1. Unilaterally withdraw. Refuse to divulge any information about the supposed threat.
2. Unilaterally withdraw. Refuse to divulge any information about the supposed threat but do so with empathy and understanding. Communicate sensitively. Frame it as being confident in the security but not wanting their lives to be risked.
3. Discuss with PCB. Refuse to divulge any information about the supposed threat. Say hands are tied with government. Withdraw from tour but come to mutual communication strategy with PCB.4
4. Discuss with PCB. Share information about threat with security agencies in Pakistan. See if threat can be mitigated. If not, withdraw from tour with joint communication strategy or, if no agreement, with empathy as in point 2.

They literally went for the worst option. The option of arrogance and delusion.

 

[Pakhs]

I think people need to understand this is not something new when it comes to specially NZ and Australian cricket boards they have been doing this to Pakistan in cricket for a long time.

They are just not comfortable playing in Pakistan for more than one reason. The security agency threat level raise is also understandable as its right Pakistan is surrounded by Afghanistan and India.

The only time this will change is if not playing Pakistan means big losses for NZ and Australia financially which is currently not the case.

 

[zarak]

Brilliant post.
This is exactly how they should have framed it. Even added something like :

'We have utmost confidence in the security that Pakistan has provided us. However we believe this threat is genuine and credible. We do not wish for lives of the security personnel or Pakistani civilians to be put at risk. It is for this reason that we have decided to abandon this tour for now...'

Man I'm not even a communications professional....I assume you aren't either and we have come up with a better way of handling and communicating this than the arrogant New Zealanders

Exactly or like:

We have received a threat. At this point we do not know whether it is credible or not. For the sake of player safety and the reputation of our host country Pakistan, we have mutually decided to postpone the tour. Thank Pakistan security etc....

Right now everyone is harping about how we are unsafe whereas nothing has changed in the last 3 years

 

[Shafi]

Any update of England tour?

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

I feel like waiting for my university results.

 

[MoJoJoJo]

Any update of England tour?

Guess england jus working out the polite way to say no. They can't say no straightforwardly jus because pak toured eng when covid was at its peak. They are under pressure jus coz of this. Eventually they'll say no, that's for sure.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Any update of England tour?

They won't tour.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Minister for Interior of Pakistan, Sheikh Rasheed said they provided security to the New Zealand team more than their country’s overall forces.

In a press conference on Monday, the federal minister said they ensured the safe stay of the New Zealand team in Rawalpindi.

“We gave more security to New Zealand than their country’s overall forces,” the interior minister was quoted saying.

Rasheed once again assured that they are ready to host the England team despite the New Zealand team left Pakistan without providing any authentic proof of security threats. “We are prepared to host England here. We will welcome if they come here to play cricket,” he ensured.

ARY

 

[Manunited18]

They will postpone it.

 

[Rana]

ISLAMABAD: Minister for Interior of Pakistan, Sheikh Rasheed said they provided security to the New Zealand team more than their country’s overall forces.

In a press conference on Monday, the federal minister said they ensured the safe stay of the New Zealand team in Rawalpindi.

“We gave more security to New Zealand than their country’s overall forces,” the interior minister was quoted saying.

Rasheed once again assured that they are ready to host the England team despite the New Zealand team left Pakistan without providing any authentic proof of security threats. “We are prepared to host England here. We will welcome if they come here to play cricket,” he ensured.

ARY

Aithe Rakho Sheikh sab

Put these kiwi clowns in their place!

 

[cricketjoshila]

They won't tour.

Thats not known. If it was a straight forward decision it would have come by now.

 

[The_KING]

England are just trying to find the best possible way to say no without causing too much offence. I won’t even blame them for cancelling the tour. This is all New Zealand’s fault.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Aithe Rakho Sheikh sab

Put these kiwi clowns in their place!

These Statements and social media outrage makes no difference to NZ.

Their pull out has affected pakistan and NZ has no consequence.

 

[Rana]

These Statements and social media outrage makes no difference to NZ.

Their pull out has affected pakistan and NZ has no consequence.

Ask Aman if they make no difference

He was crying here a couple of days ago

 

[Rajdeep]

Actually England should go to Pakistan.

I say GO and not TOUR bcoz 2 T20s is not a tour.

Eng is scheduled to play 2 T20 matches in two consecutive days meaning they have to spend just 1 night in a Pakistan hotel. Its not that big a deal.

NZ on the other hand had to play 3 ODIs + 5T20s which was a different thing all together.

England should just go there for these 2 T20 matches and help PCB out.

 

[sweep_shot]

England should come definitely. But, knowing them, they may chicken out just like Kiwis.

 

[UzmanBeast]

ECB’s decision is anyone’s guess at this point. However, it appears that if ECB were going to carry on with the tour, they would have confirmed it by now.

They are taking so long because they are thinking of coming with a proposition that would somehow soften the blow.

Pakistan has embarrassed itself over the last 3 days. We have collectively lost our marbles and the verbal diarrhea has no end in sight.

PCB, players, fans, media etc. - everyone has gone bonkers.

ECB is wise enough not to kick this hornet’s nest. They don’t need to put with the abuse that will be direct at them or respond to more idiotic statements by the likes of Ramiz and Wasim.

So unless they decide to carry on with the tour and make the whole Pakistan England cricket fans and legitimize their World Cup win in their eyes, they will need to come up with some clever catch to soften the blow.

I agree, it looks quite unlikely that a tour will proceed from here on out.

However, as you said, they are looking for ways to soften the blow.

I have a feeling they will ask PCB to consider sending the Pakistan team to England to play a series there, or perhaps talk to the PCB about hosting it another time, with a larger tour.

That wouldn't be enough to put out the fire that has consumed our media though.

Let's see what they come up with, intriguing yet disappointing times await.

 

[Rafa]

If England visit , then it will make NZ look very bad. If the intelligence warning came from British then the England team would also most likely act on it.

 

[Rana]

If England visit , then it will make NZ look very bad. If the intelligence warning came from British then the England team would also most likely act on it.

This is a misconception

The intelligence didn’t come from the British

 

[Technics 1210]

It’s been well over 48 hrs. A genuine threat would mean cancellation of all tours, a precedent that has been set in the past.

Clearly, the NZG got played by Hindutva RAW, the FVEY know it, the ECB know it, and now its just a game of how to save falling grace of the gullible and racist NZG.

 

[Savak]

Apparently the ECB are demanding a neutral venue. The PCB is sticking to its guns that you either play in Pakistan or dont play at all. That's where the deadlock is.

 

[Walawalkar]

ECB have called off their tour to Pakistan.

 

[Anis Shivani]

Apparently the ECB are demanding a neutral venue. The PCB is sticking to its guns that you either play in Pakistan or dont play at all. That's where the deadlock is.

So it's clear, as if there were any doubts, that this is a well coordinated plan (conspiracy if you will) from the get-go, greenlighted by America, having nothing to do with security and everything to do with geopolitics. Payback to Pakistan and renewed isolation (with much more to follow) for the Taliban. It is ridiculous to hear people accept the logic as somehow well-intentioned on the part of Western powers and for Pakistan to make this, that, or the other concession (build stadiums with attached hotels, etc.), when none of that is going to change their minds, which again have nothing to do with security. Doesn't matter what Pakistan does, what the reality on the ground is, they are going to have their way.

 

[iniqbal223]

Exactly or like:

We have received a threat. At this point we do not know whether it is credible or not. For the sake of player safety and the reputation of our host country Pakistan, we have mutually decided to postpone the tour. Thank Pakistan security etc....



Right now everyone is harping about how we are unsafe whereas nothing has changed in the last 3 years

I think NZC chief made the matters worse. This guy has not even changed his position sitting in New Zealand as well. Is he feeling threatened there ? What a chicken he is..
And for Kane Williamson and other players who are now trying to show themselves as saints.. Where were you when this was happening 3 days back?

 

[iniqbal223]

This shitshow from NZC is nothing short of intentional. Ok their hands were tied because of govt.

But they should have shown some decency

 

[Adnan_Ilyas]

I knew they were going to cancel - such a ******** excuse

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Thats not known. If it was a straight forward decision it would have come by now.

You were saying?

 

[JaDed]

It’s been well over 48 hrs. A genuine threat would mean cancellation of all tours, a precedent that has been set in the past.

Clearly, the NZG got played by Hindutva RAW, the FVEY know it, the ECB know it, and now its just a game of how to save falling grace of the gullible and racist NZG.

India , BCCI has nothing to do with this one considering ECB has made a decision as well.

For one blame your resident country now not India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ask Aman if they make no difference

He was crying here a couple of days ago

Social Media!

Pakistan tried its best to get NZ to play. Including assurances from Imran, if that didn't make a difference, nothing will.

Their hand has only been strengthened by ECB withdrawing.