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Effects of quotas and race-based selection on South Africa cricket

Jacques Kallis, the legendary all-rounder who is working as England’s batting consultant for the Test series in Sri Lanka, has spoken of his regret at being forced out of a similar position with his native South Africa after their adoption of an affirmative action policy last year.

“I wasn’t allowed to be involved because Cricket South Africa said there would be no more white consultants, so unfortunately that fell away,” Kallis said before the first Test which starts on Thursday.

“I suppose it’s the way of our country – a lot of players have fallen away because of needing people of colour involved.

It’s tough but we understand where it comes from. It’s the modern way of the world. It’s sad in a way that I can’t help out in South Africa, but I’m thoroughly enjoying my time in the England setup.”

After he left his role with the Proteas several players spoke to Kallis about continuing to work with him on a more informal basis, but that possibility was blocked. “Unfortunately there was that rule, so it was pretty much taken out of my hands,” he said.

CSA clarified in September that it “had not taken and will not take a decision to work exclusively with black consultants” and “put on hold” the affirmative action policy, at least temporarily, after the entire board who decided on it resigned en masse in October. Kallis said he knew nothing about the latter development, and has no plans after the end of the Sri Lanka series beyond returning home to assist his wife with raising their 10‑month‑old boy, Joshua.

“This was a wonderful opportunity for me to take and see where it goes,” he said of the England role. “In the beginning it was a little bit strange because England were the arch enemy when we played them, but I suppose in the world we’re living now guys go and coach other teams around the world. So it’s kind of the norm in the modern world and I really have thoroughly enjoyed it. We’ll go through this tour and then see what the future holds.”

The 45-year-old’s appointment has certainly been well received by England’s players: last week Jonny Bairstow, who returns to the Test side batting as Kallis himself often did at No 3, described the South African as “in my eyes the best all-rounder that there has ever been”. Dan Lawrence, the 23-year-old batsman who is expected to make his Test debut, spoke about his excitement at working with “arguably the greatest player to have ever played”.

In Lawrence, Dom Bess – who is 10 days younger – and the 22-year-old Zak Crawley England have a group of emerging young batsmen who stand to benefit from the wisdom of a former player who, of all non-Asians who played at least 20 Tests on the continent, has a batting average second only to Clive Lloyd.

“I’ve been very impressed with them,” Kallis said of England’s young players. “They’ve got a lot of knowledge, and they’re hungry to succeed. They’re going to make mistakes along the way but that’s OK, that’s how you learn and grow. I think there’s a lot of youngsters that are going to score a lot of Test runs for England. It’s nice I can perhaps help them achieve the goals and dreams they want to achieve.”

Kallis has also been impressed by the all-rounder Sam Curran, another 22-year-old, for whom the series represents a chance to shine in the absence of the rested Ben Stokes. “He certainly has a lot of talent, and he’s willing to learn,” Kallis said.

“He’s a hard worker and a great kid, I see a lot of potential in him. Is he the best young all-rounder in the world? Yes, I think so. What he adds with the ball and the bat, he is certainly right up there. There are exciting times for him ahead. He’s hungry, and that’s half the battle already.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/13/jacques-kallis-cricket-south-africa-england-sri-lanka
 
the kolpak door shutting will help. south africa can plan long term again without threat of losing test players to the county circuit.
 
South Africa is an inclusive society that brings about equal opportunity to all who live in it. If some don't like that, then tough! As the great man said, those who want to leave are more than welcome to. Won't be missed either
 
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Olivier won't have any excuse left now when he is dropped.

Although the quotas continue to hurt SA team.

Maharaj didn't do anything throughout the series. Malan should come in for him in their next home series.
 
Despite the win over india the current test side looks imbalanced. Yes i understand the quota system, but at same time the teams results could be hampered by it. Its clear some quota players arent good enough.
 
Petersen is a future SA great.
Bavuma is also quality.

I think this SA side under Elgar is gonna achieve some pretty good things. Not as much as what Smith and his side did, but there is no way, South Africa are in decline.
 
I think the current state of talent just about lends itself to the team succeeding even within a quota of no more than 5 white players.

The exit of Steyn and Morkel means that the team can play with 2 black quicks (Rabada and Ngidi) and an Indian spinner (Maharaj or Shamsi).

So the only bowler taking a white quota place is Marco Jansen, who offers real variety with his height and angle.

Verreyne is the outstanding wicketkeeper of his generation, so that is 2 of the 5 white slots used up between Numbers 7 and 11.

That allows for 3 white batsmen amongst 6 specialist batsmen. Elgar, Markram and Van Der Dussen.

Bavuma, like Ashwell Prince and Alviro Petersen before him, is barely Test class but he's just about good enough to take one non-white slot.

Keegan Petersen looks Test class, which is fantastic news.

But don't be under any illusions: the Third Test team was over its quota of white players - either Olivier or Van Der Dussen only made the team because the stats will be fudged by playing more non-white players in less important series.
 
I think the current state of talent just about lends itself to the team succeeding even within a quota of no more than 5 white players.

The exit of Steyn and Morkel means that the team can play with 2 black quicks (Rabada and Ngidi) and an Indian spinner (Maharaj or Shamsi).

So the only bowler taking a white quota place is Marco Jansen, who offers real variety with his height and angle.

Verreyne is the outstanding wicketkeeper of his generation, so that is 2 of the 5 white slots used up between Numbers 7 and 11.

That allows for 3 white batsmen amongst 6 specialist batsmen. Elgar, Markram and Van Der Dussen.

Bavuma, like Ashwell Prince and Alviro Petersen before him, is barely Test class but he's just about good enough to take one non-white slot.

Keegan Petersen looks Test class, which is fantastic news.

But don't be under any illusions: the Third Test team was over its quota of white players - either Olivier or Van Der Dussen only made the team because the stats will be fudged by playing more non-white players in less important series.

Have you seen Bavuma bat, field or run? The guy is pure dynamite. He is clutch and so cool under pressure.

He is a superior version of all three Akmals combined.
 
Have you seen Bavuma bat, field or run? The guy is pure dynamite. He is clutch and so cool under pressure.

He is a superior version of all three Akmals combined.

The Temba Bavuma who I have watched is 31 years old, almost 32.

He has played 47 Test matches largely for quota reasons, in which he has scored 1 (yes, ONE) Test century and 17 fifties.

He has a Test batting average of 34.08.

Bavuma came from a humble backgound but his sporting aptitude got him into an outstanding school.

Let's just say that if his background was different he wouldn't still be getting selected for South Africa.
 
I think the current state of talent just about lends itself to the team succeeding even within a quota of no more than 5 white players.

The exit of Steyn and Morkel means that the team can play with 2 black quicks (Rabada and Ngidi) and an Indian spinner (Maharaj or Shamsi).

So the only bowler taking a white quota place is Marco Jansen, who offers real variety with his height and angle.

Verreyne is the outstanding wicketkeeper of his generation, so that is 2 of the 5 white slots used up between Numbers 7 and 11.

That allows for 3 white batsmen amongst 6 specialist batsmen. Elgar, Markram and Van Der Dussen.

Bavuma, like Ashwell Prince and Alviro Petersen before him, is barely Test class but he's just about good enough to take one non-white slot.

Keegan Petersen looks Test class, which is fantastic news.

But don't be under any illusions: the Third Test team was over its quota of white players - either Olivier or Van Der Dussen only made the team because the stats will be fudged by playing more non-white players in less important series.

Absolute state of this post, beta male behaviour all round. Olivier, RvD, Verreyne are average and were horrible in this series including golden boy Markram. Yet you're digging out the players that actually performed. Elgar and Jansen are the only "whites" that contributed in this series. The other chickened out midway through the series, the coward. But I'm supposed to believe SA won because it was over its quota.

Leading wicket takers for South Africa in this series:
Rabada 20 wickets @19
Jansen 19 wickets @16
Ngidi 15 wickets @15
Olivier 5 wickets @39
Mulder 0 wickets @74


Most Runs
KP 276 @46
Elgar 235 @47
Bavuma 221 @73 one of two players to score more than 2 half centuries.
RvD 117 @23
Markram "the golden boy" 76 @12
 
Absolute state of this post, beta male behaviour all round. Olivier, RvD, Verreyne are average and were horrible in this series including golden boy Markram. Yet you're digging out the players that actually performed. Elgar and Jansen are the only "whites" that contributed in this series. The other chickened out midway through the series, the coward. But I'm supposed to believe SA won because it was over its quota.

Leading wicket takers for South Africa in this series:
Rabada 20 wickets @19
Jansen 19 wickets @16
Ngidi 15 wickets @15
Olivier 5 wickets @39
Mulder 0 wickets @74


Most Runs
KP 276 @46
Elgar 235 @47
Bavuma 221 @73 one of two players to score more than 2 half centuries.
RvD 117 @23
Markram "the golden boy" 76 @12

Did you actually understand my post?

I am not doubting for a second that Rabada and Ngidi are the best fast bowlers. I'm effectively saying that since Steyn and Morkel retired, the presence of Rabaga and Ngidi mean that 5 of the other 9 places can be filled by whites without exceeding their quota.

Bavuma has a Test batting record which is worse than Faheem Ashraf's and almost identical to Shadab Khan's. But they bowl too. He is a lovely guy, but the only Test teams in the world that he would be even close to getting selected for are Afghanistan and Zimbabwe.

Bavuma has just averaged 73 against an arrogant but mentally weak Indian team which surrendered as soon as it was put under pressure.

But when you actually look in more detail you see that Bavuma's average was inflated by 3 not outs and that he failed to score more than 52 in any innings in the entire series.

This is the weakest South African team for over 60 years. The batting is pathetic and they are doing OK because they now have three good quick bowlers. Full stop!
 
I think the current state of talent just about lends itself to the team succeeding even within a quota of no more than 5 white players.

The exit of Steyn and Morkel means that the team can play with 2 black quicks (Rabada and Ngidi) and an Indian spinner (Maharaj or Shamsi).

So the only bowler taking a white quota place is Marco Jansen, who offers real variety with his height and angle.

Verreyne is the outstanding wicketkeeper of his generation, so that is 2 of the 5 white slots used up between Numbers 7 and 11.

That allows for 3 white batsmen amongst 6 specialist batsmen. Elgar, Markram and Van Der Dussen.

Bavuma, like Ashwell Prince and Alviro Petersen before him, is barely Test class but he's just about good enough to take one non-white slot.

Keegan Petersen looks Test class, which is fantastic news.

But don't be under any illusions: the Third Test team was over its quota of white players - either Olivier or Van Der Dussen only made the team because the stats will be fudged by playing more non-white players in less important series.

Did you actually understand my post?

I am not doubting for a second that Rabada and Ngidi are the best fast bowlers. I'm effectively saying that since Steyn and Morkel retired, the presence of Rabaga and Ngidi mean that 5 of the other 9 places can be filled by whites without exceeding their quota.

Bavuma has a Test batting record which is worse than Faheem Ashraf's and almost identical to Shadab Khan's. But they bowl too. He is a lovely guy, but the only Test teams in the world that he would be even close to getting selected for are Afghanistan and Zimbabwe.

Bavuma has just averaged 73 against an arrogant but mentally weak Indian team which surrendered as soon as it was put under pressure.

But when you actually look in more detail you see that Bavuma's average was inflated by 3 not outs and that he failed to score more than 52 in any innings in the entire series.

This is the weakest South African team for over 60 years. The batting is pathetic and they are doing OK because they now have three good quick bowlers. Full stop!

All well and good digging Bavuma out, but why didn't you do the same for Markram and RvD and that trundler Olivier? Free pass? Why didn't they make an impact against a "mentally weak" side? You went out of your way to praise a player you've never seen before as well, that's slave mentality.

What I've deduced from your posts is that it's ok to be mediocre, but you must have the right skin colour for it.

Is Bavuma a long term solution? Not even close, but he's not going to get dropped to accommodate an average white player in return, which is what you actually want here. Let's call a spade a spade.

Those 3 not outs are a result of running out of partners or actually contributing in crucial run chases. Again, imagine digging out a bloke that actually contributed and giving a free pass to some based on skill colour, to put it politely, if that's not an agenda then I don't know what is.
 
This "mentally weak" bowling attack averages less than 27 home AND away btw. No team has actually scored more than 420 against them in SENA over the last 6 years
 
SA are doing OK to involve quota players and achieving reasonably good results, after all the population is pre-dominating Black.
BTW who was man of series in the series agai St India?
 
The SA 20 was an eye opener. After all that affirmative action, even their captain was not chosen to play for a franchise. Basically the free market has said what we suspected all along. There is simply not enough high quality black players in South Africa .

Roelof van der Merwe is a better spinner than any other Sagfer spinner. Fortuin is 2nd best.

If Van der Merwe was eligible for Saffer selection, there would only be 2 black players playing in a first XI SA T20I side - Rabada and Magala. That's it.
 
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