Eid Milad Un Nabi Mubarak to All Muslims

[SalimBhai]

Who cares if they celebrate his birthday. What’s the harm?

 

[PakLFC]

If we go with that logic then the prophet also caused disarray amongest the families.

When you speak the truth it will cause disarray.

Even the hard core supporters of Milad agree that neither prophet has done it nor the companions.

Now , suppose we do it , it means one of the two things. First , the prophet knew about this but intentionally did not tell us.

Second , the prophet did not know it but the scholars who initiate it know this.

So , which is true? In both cases it is major sin .

Disarray in regards to celebrating his own birthday or not? So do you agree or disagree with Milad?

 

[PakLFC]

Over 3 billion people do not believe Muhammad SAW was a prophet , they consider him to be liar , so will the numbers mean they are right ?

Allah says in Quran majority of mankind and jinns will be in hell , so are they right ? In Islam numbers are NOT criteria , it is evidence.

Every religion is an overall minority if we take numbers in to consideration. The Jews also call Christ(as) worst then a liar too. Problem is critics expect the Qur'an to be a feel look book of stories which it is not. They don't understand the commentary or how and when it was revealed.

 

[in_cutter]

Debate is when you provide evidence.

As I said before even the hardcore sufis agree that this was not celebrated during life of the prophet or companions , that itself shows there is no evidence.

I am neutral on this matter..I have learnt to let people get on with it. They are not doing us any harm. I don’t know why some of you are so pressed.

 

[Bewal Express]

You need to read the whole paragraph , I did not say prophet was liar , If I believed in that I would not be writing here to defend Islam.

I said that majority doing something is NOT evidence of that thing being right. Hadeeth says that out of 1000 one will enter paradise.

My opinion or someone else opinion is insignificant , unless backed by evidence. In My opinion Shaan Masood is a better batsman than Lara , but will my opinion make my statement true?

In Islam opinion does not matter , what matters is evidence. If celebrating Milad was something good , there is NO reason why prophet himself would not do that or companions will not do that. There is NOT a single evidence to back it up.

So , those who celebrate it are saying that prophet did not know , but we know better than him or the prophet knew it but he intentionally hide from us. There cannot be a third reason.

You didnt say he was a liar but the way you said it worried me. No one that loves our beloved Prophet talks like that, that's how his haters talk.

As I said on here many times,I have not seen anything bad but all good from the Milad celebrations. People go to Masjid that normally don't, they read namaz that they normally don't, they give charity that they normally don't. So who loses from all these gains. If you don't do it then that is all good but if you can tell me who loses then I am all ears

 

[PakLFC]

Are there any Muslim's like me here who do not celebrate Milad?

 

[Justcrazy]

Who cares if they celebrate his birthday. What’s the harm?

The problem is they are doing in name of Islam . This is Not part of Islam.

Prophet said if something is wrong stop it with hands if you can or speak against it .

 

[Justcrazy]

Disarray in regards to celebrating his own birthday or not? So do you agree or disagree with Milad?

I consider Milad to be innovation , if someone says it is not they need to provide evidence.

 

[Justcrazy]

Every religion is an overall minority if we take numbers in to consideration. The Jews also call Christ(as) worst then a liar too. Problem is critics expect the Qur'an to be a feel look book of stories which it is not. They don't understand the commentary or how and when it was revealed.

That is why I said majority is not evidence of something being right, There was atime when a huge majority of human believed the earth to be centre of solar system , but they were not right.

I commeneted because someone posted a picture of a big crowd celebrating milad, that being posted in this thread is trying to show that since a big number doing something it means it is right.

 

[Justcrazy]

You didnt say he was a liar but the way you said it worried me. No one that loves our beloved Prophet talks like that, that's how his haters talk.

As I said on here many times,I have not seen anything bad but all good from the Milad celebrations. People go to Masjid that normally don't, they read namaz that they normally don't, they give charity that they normally don't. So who loses from all these gains. If you don't do it then that is all good but if you can tell me who loses then I am all ears

How haters talk like that ? Haters will allege him to be a liar , and they do indeed. Any one who is NON Muslim , for him Prophet is a liar . Do you doubt that ?

Also , if I hated , I would not be discussing this issue here , I would be happy with Muslims doing shirk and Innovation .

In Innovations good or bad is not consideration.

I give you an example , if instead of 3 rakkats in Maghrib I start praying 4 rakkats , what is bad in that ? I am praying to Allah , I am reciting Quran , also prostrating to Allah. The problem is that Allah wants me to worship Like what prophet did . Allah wants people to follow what prophet commanded and not use own brains in matters of religion.

 

[Justcrazy]

Are there any Muslim's like me here who do not celebrate Milad?

There are many who do not.

Those who celebrate , they also have innovation is their aqeedah , that is they consider prophet to be made of light , or prophet knows all knowledge of unseen or prophet is present everywhere etc.

All these have no basis in quran and hadeeth. Thus most of the beliefs they gradually get from elders is word of mouth , and never bother to do any kind of research.

The irony is that whole life those Moulvis spend in learning arabic grammar sarf and Nawh but they still do not believe in the ayat of quran which they recite minimum 5 times a day .

You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.


QURAN 1:5

They still try to prove that we can ask from dead people.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Happy Eid Milad-un-Nabi to all who celebrate. Its a public holiday in India when I was in school.

 

[in_cutter]

They still try to prove that we can ask from dead people.

What you mention here is practiced by a minority of Muslims.

 

[shaz619]

I consider Milad to be innovation , if someone says it is not they need to provide evidence.

Blowing yourself up is an innovation to, why don’t ya”ll show the same energy on that front unless you sympathise with terrorists

 

[sweep_shot]

There are many who do not.

Those who celebrate , they also have innovation is their aqeedah , that is they consider prophet to be made of light , or prophet knows all knowledge of unseen or prophet is present everywhere etc.

All these have no basis in quran and hadeeth. Thus most of the beliefs they gradually get from elders is word of mouth , and never bother to do any kind of research.

The irony is that whole life those Moulvis spend in learning arabic grammar sarf and Nawh but they still do not believe in the ayat of quran which they recite minimum 5 times a day .

You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.


QURAN 1:5

They still try to prove that we can ask from dead people.

Are there any Muslim's like me here who do not celebrate Milad?

I also do not celebrate Mawlid. It is not something our Prophet (PBUH) did.

I only celebrate Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha.

 

[Bewal Express]

How haters talk like that ? Haters will allege him to be a liar , and they do indeed. Any one who is NON Muslim , for him Prophet is a liar . Do you doubt that ?

Also , if I hated , I would not be discussing this issue here , I would be happy with Muslims doing shirk and Innovation .

In Innovations good or bad is not consideration.

I give you an example , if instead of 3 rakkats in Maghrib I start praying 4 rakkats , what is bad in that ? I am praying to Allah , I am reciting Quran , also prostrating to Allah. The problem is that Allah wants me to worship Like what prophet did . Allah wants people to follow what prophet commanded and not use own brains in matters of religion.

Why would you do 4 rakats when it is prescribed as farz to be 3. You can describe as going above and beyond and i have no problems with that description but to me it isnt an article of faith. I do it because i see it as good thing that brings people together to do good deeds but if it isnt for you then you to yours and me to mine.

 

[PakEngFan]

Are there any Muslim's like me here who do not celebrate Milad?

Off course. Milad has nothing to do with Islam. Just an innovation nothing else. It’s surprising people are justifying it.

 

[Justcrazy]

Happy Eid Milad-un-Nabi to all who celebrate. Its a public holiday in India when I was in school.

Which state in India ? West Bengal?

 

[Justcrazy]

What you mention here is practiced by a minority of Muslims.

No , I do not think so. Majority of Indian subcontinent Muslims books that they follow encourage this. The issue is when you follow book of Moulvis instead of Allah , this is what will happen.

 

[Justcrazy]

Blowing yourself up is an innovation to, why don’t ya”ll show the same energy on that front unless you sympathise with terrorists

Is this thread discussing terrorists ?

Also , I do not think what you said is any evidence. If you want to know my opinion on Terrorism , kindly make a thread , I will respond.

 

[Justcrazy]

I also do not celebrate Mawlid. It is not something our Prophet (PBUH) did.

I only celebrate Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha.

Brother as I mentioned above , even the most hard core sufis and barelvi scholars agree that this was not done during life time of prophet or by any companion or by by any Imam which generally majority of sunnis follow.

The argument they give is that innovations are of two types , good and bad.

They misinterpret the Hadeeth in Muslim , which says if someone does a good deed and others follow will be rewarded.

If you read the whole hadeeth you will clearly what it is speaking about. It was not related to anything religious.

These scholars are goal keepers of own sects , they will do everything in there capacity to justify those aqeedahs . I can show numerous examples of such incidents of scholars lying or propmoting weak hadeeth to help there cause.

 

[Justcrazy]

Why would you do 4 rakats when it is prescribed as farz to be 3. You can describe as going above and beyond and i have no problems with that description but to me it isnt an article of faith. I do it because i see it as good thing that brings people together to do good deeds but if it isnt for you then you to yours and me to mine.

I asked if I pray 4 rakkats will that Barelvi Moulvi who is celebrating Milad speak against it or accept that ?

If as you said something bad is not coming out , we can do good things , then salah is also good thing , praying extra rakkat is not an issue. If they issue is it is not prescribed , then the same is the reason for Milad.

 

[Justcrazy]

Off course. Milad has nothing to do with Islam. Just an innovation nothing else. It’s surprising people are justifying it.

Layman people are not to be blamed that much because they never do own research . Our lives are very busy , it is difficult for people to take time out for religion. Its an irony that people spend so much and strive so much for perfection in worldly activities , but when it comes to religion we simply believe whatever is told to us.

The real culprit are those scholars and speakers , who hide the truth from people. Such people will be in big trouble on the day of judgement for misguiding people.

 

[shaz619]

Is this thread discussing terrorists ?

Also , I do not think what you said is any evidence. If you want to know my opinion on Terrorism , kindly make a thread , I will respond.

It’s very relevant, you have more of an issue with Milad compared to terrorism.

From what we’ve seen, extremists don’t like Milad do they.

Show me some evidence which support extremism and doing a tik tik boom, I don’t feel it is in line with Islam

 

[KingKhanWC]

It’s very relevant, you have more of an issue with Milad compared to terrorism.

From what we’ve seen, extremists don’t like Milad do they.

Show me some evidence which support extremism and doing a tik tik boom, I don’t feel it is in line with Islam

The whole Salafi/Wahabist based ideology as a whole is an innovation, it has only existed for around 200 years. This ideology helped enemies of Islam to conquer the holy lands of Muslims. Im not suggesting any poster has this but they are the ones who are strongly against Milad.

Yet they are pulling their trousers above their ankles in the cold thinking they are following the Sunnah when its an innovation.

Milad helps people to remember the Prophet(pbuh), get closer to his teachings and principles, it can never be a bad thing.

 

[Manunited18]

Its innovation. Personally i just believe in the Qoran and Sunnah.

 

[shaz619]

The whole Salafi/Wahabist based ideology as a whole is an innovation, it has only existed for around 200 years. This ideology helped enemies of Islam to conquer the holy lands of Muslims. Im not suggesting any poster has this but they are the ones who are strongly against Milad.

Yet they are pulling their trousers above their ankles in the cold thinking they are following the Sunnah when its an innovation.

Milad helps people to remember the Prophet(pbuh), get closer to his teachings and principles, it can never be a bad thing.

Exactly. These people tend to incite extremist rhetoric and sure maybe not always they realise this. Their intolerance and character is highly questionable and so are their intentions, be careful which places of worship you visit. Some take it to the point where they dislike things like making a dua. It is very relevant to raise this when Milad comes around

 

[KingKhanWC]

Its innovation. Personally i just believe in the Qoran and Sunnah.

Depends on the issue. Anything to remember the Prophet(pbuh) is not an innovation. Maybe the marches around town are and not something Id personally participate in but every culture follows Islam slightly differently.

Besides many who are against Milad celebrate their child's birthday, with expensive gifts, cakes , balloons etc.

I think Muslims have bigger issues to deal with.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exactly. These people tend to incite extremist rhetoric and sure maybe not always they realise this. Their intolerance and character is highly questionable and so are their intentions, be careful which places of worship you visit. Some take it to the point where they dislike things like making a dua. It is very relevant to raise this when Milad comes around

When I was in Mecca or could have been Medina. I saw a group of men with green turbans, just chilling looking around. Suddenly another group of Saudis, with their scarfs came along to abuse them, yelling some rubbish in Arabic. These people are extremists no doubt. Yemen is being blown up, millions of children starving but they will worry about someone remembering the Prophet(pbuh)

 

[sweep_shot]

Besides many who are against Milad celebrate their child's birthday, with expensive gifts, cakes , balloons etc.

Birthday has pagan origin (European paganism). I do not celebrate it. But, many Muslims still celebrate it because they probably do not know about the origin.

 

[SalimBhai]

Birthday has pagan origin (European paganism). I do not celebrate it. But, many Muslims still celebrate it because they probably do not know about the origin.

I believe birthdays were invented by the ancient Egyptians.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Birthday has pagan origin (European paganism). I do not celebrate it. But, many Muslims still celebrate it because they probably do not know about the origin.

I never celebrate my own, just because who wants to be happy with getting older?

But so many do so sometimes you have to get involved or be there. Its a money making enterprise now, nobody cares about Pagan rituals.

I dont think Muslims should be dividing themselves over this. But if you follow the Saudi ideology, you will be told and taught to hate. Im sure you are aware.

 

[Manunited18]

Depends on the issue. Anything to remember the Prophet(pbuh) is not an innovation. Maybe the marches around town are and not something Id personally participate in but every culture follows Islam slightly differently.

Besides many who are against Milad celebrate their child's birthday, with expensive gifts, cakes , balloons etc.

I think Muslims have bigger issues to deal with.

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Its going to the extreme and labelling others as extremists is completely out of order. I attended hajj of 2015, and one member of the group who was of brailvee clan refused to pray any of fard prayers in the Masjidi Nabwi because of the imam! Talk about being a completed bigot! Now that is going to the extreme!

 

[sweep_shot]

I dont think Muslims should be dividing themselves over this. But if you follow the Saudi ideology, you will be told and taught to hate. Im sure you are aware.

Yes.

I agree with you that we Muslims shouldn't be divided and argue about these issues. This is why I am not getting involved on this thread; my interaction has been minimal.

We have far bigger issues to focus on.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Its going to the extreme and labelling others as extremists is completely out of order. I attended hajj of 2015, and one member of the group who was of brailvee clan refused to pray any of fard prayers in the Masjidi Nabwi because of the imam! Talk about being a completed bigot! Now that is going to the extreme!

There are extremists or people with extreme views in all faiths and all sects of a faith. I will go pray in any Sunni masjid, wont ask what the sect is as long as they are Sunni Muslims. The problem for Muslims is they are offended too easily by other Muslims, instead of accepting them as Muslims with different views.

I believe the Saudis wanted to change the dome at the Prophet(pbuh) masjid in Medina because its green in colour. Nobody is more extreme than them.

 

[Manunited18]

There are extremists or people with extreme views in all faiths and all sects of a faith. I will go pray in any Sunni masjid, wont ask what the sect is as long as they are Sunni Muslims. The problem for Muslims is they are offended too easily by other Muslims, instead of accepting them as Muslims with different views.

I believe the Saudis wanted to change the dome at the Prophet(pbuh) masjid in Medina because its green in colour. Nobody is more extreme than them.

The saudi government, their beliefs, should have little baring on ones mentality to pray at masjidi harrum or masjidi nabvi. Its the people themselves who refuse and make pathetic excuses need to take a good look at themselves. Refusing to pray behind a imam at the blessed mosques is indeed a loser.

 

[Bewal Express]

I asked if I pray 4 rakkats will that Barelvi Moulvi who is celebrating Milad speak against it or accept that ?

If as you said something bad is not coming out , we can do good things , then salah is also good thing , praying extra rakkat is not an issue. If they issue is it is not prescribed , then the same is the reason for Milad.

Why would you ask that because its prescribed. And if you prayed the extra rakat it wouldnt count so i dont know what your point is. As the Aqeeda you follow has only been widespread since the British decided that they wanted to throw the Turks out and replace them with their appointees commonly known as the house of Saud, and became their sponsors, what did you guys do before. Brelvis do go over the top with some things, and no one is forced to accept them, i certainly dont. But you guys are obsessive. So give it a rest, you to yours and me to mine

 

[Bewal Express]

The saudi government, their beliefs, should have little baring on ones mentality to pray at masjidi harrum or masjidi nabvi. Its the people themselves who refuse and make pathetic excuses need to take a good look at themselves. Refusing to pray behind a imam at the blessed mosques is indeed a loser.

I got no doubts that these things happen, and those idiots are the losers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The saudi government, their beliefs, should have little baring on ones mentality to pray at masjidi harrum or masjidi nabvi. Its the people themselves who refuse and make pathetic excuses need to take a good look at themselves. Refusing to pray behind a imam at the blessed mosques is indeed a loser.

I dont know who this one person is. I do know who the Saudis are. The Imams there have no freedom to pick or choose their talks, Khuttbahs. Recently one did, he was jailed for 10 years.

The day the Saudi regime is no longer the more united Muslims will be and Islamic nations will start to prosper again.

 

[sweep_shot]

I dont know who this one person is. I do know who the Saudis are. The Imams there have no freedom to pick or choose their talks, Khuttbahs. Recently one did, he was jailed for 10 years.

The day the Saudi regime is no longer the more united Muslims will be and Islamic nations will start to prosper again.

I agree that Saudi regime is corrupt.

MBS is extremely corrupt.

I hope one day we will have a proper regime in charge of Mecca and Medina. In sha Allah. Last time that happened was when Ottomans were in charge.

 

[SalimBhai]

I dont know who this one person is. I do know who the Saudis are. The Imams there have no freedom to pick or choose their talks, Khuttbahs. Recently one did, he was jailed for 10 years.

The day the Saudi regime is no longer the more united Muslims will be and Islamic nations will start to prosper again.

How is Saudi Arabia holding back other nations from prospering?

 

[SalimBhai]

I agree that Saudi regime is corrupt.

MBS is extremely corrupt.

I hope one day we will have a proper regime in charge of Mecca and Medina. In sha Allah. Last time that happened was when Ottomans were in charge.

Have you ever read Ottoman atrocities over the people they ruled ?

 

[Justcrazy]

It’s very relevant, you have more of an issue with Milad compared to terrorism.

From what we’ve seen, extremists don’t like Milad do they.

Show me some evidence which support extremism and doing a tik tik boom, I don’t feel it is in line with Islam

If that is relevant issue , they are welcome to make a thread on it , and people who want to respond will do. But as per rules of this forum , I need to stick to the topic in hand.

I do not know who are extremists , also whether it is moderate or extremists , there opinion are to be thrown in garbage bin if they do not provide evidence. In Islam emotions do not matter , only evidence does.

 

[SalimBhai]

I agree that Saudi regime is corrupt.

MBS is extremely corrupt.

I hope one day we will have a proper regime in charge of Mecca and Medina. In sha Allah. Last time that happened was when Ottomans were in charge.

Arabs were deprived of their freedom and power for four centuries, when they fell under the influence of the Ottoman Turkish culture that drained them, oppressed them and made them a subordinate race. Moreover, public life declined between the Arab world and the Arabs themselves during the Ottoman era.

 

[Justcrazy]

The whole Salafi/Wahabist based ideology as a whole is an innovation, it has only existed for around 200 years. This ideology helped enemies of Islam to conquer the holy lands of Muslims. Im not suggesting any poster has this but they are the ones who are strongly against Milad.

Yet they are pulling their trousers above their ankles in the cold thinking they are following the Sunnah when its an innovation.

Milad helps people to remember the Prophet(pbuh), get closer to his teachings and principles, it can never be a bad thing.

Dividing oneself into sects is wrong whether it is salafi , sufi , deobandi , shia etc , this is very clear from Quran.

Having garments above ankles is not innovation , I am not sure from whom you heard that , because there are quite a few hadeeth about this. If you want I can mention a few.

I am sure the first three generations of Muslims also remembered and followed the prophet , they did not need to innovate something for that.

 

[Justcrazy]

Depends on the issue. Anything to remember the Prophet(pbuh) is not an innovation. Maybe the marches around town are and not something Id personally participate in but every culture follows Islam slightly differently.

Besides many who are against Milad celebrate their child's birthday, with expensive gifts, cakes , balloons etc.

I think Muslims have bigger issues to deal with.

I have not seen any one who is celebrating childs birthday and claiming the he will get reward for that. Innovation is in deen , not on worldly activities.

Yes , there are many issues , but I am bound by the topic of the thread , you do not expect me to discuss pakistan vs Newzealand here on this thread ?

 

[Justcrazy]

The saudi government, their beliefs, should have little baring on ones mentality to pray at masjidi harrum or masjidi nabvi. Its the people themselves who refuse and make pathetic excuses need to take a good look at themselves. Refusing to pray behind a imam at the blessed mosques is indeed a loser.

Few hundred years ago in Masjid Haraam there used to be four musallahs , for four sunni fiqh people !

Now they claim we consider all Imams to be on truth.

These scholars have heart of a bird , they will never unite people on truth because there livelihood is associated with religion. Most of them will say not to pray behind shia , but look at them , they refused to pray behind even different fiqh !

 

[PakLFC]

That is why I said majority is not evidence of something being right, There was atime when a huge majority of human believed the earth to be centre of solar system , but they were not right.

I commeneted because someone posted a picture of a big crowd celebrating milad, that being posted in this thread is trying to show that since a big number doing something it means it is right.

We also have to remember that even two biggest religions in the world have many groups and sub groups. I have seen Muslim's argue among themselves as to what group is right and what ones are wrong. The advantage Islam has over Christianity is we only have one Qur'an where as they have many versions of the Bible with none it's it's original form.

Any religion is only as good as the actions of it's believers. Never mind what happened centuries back when currently the Muslim's are the most struggling and backward community in the world in terms of education and human rights.

 

[Justcrazy]

Why would you ask that because its prescribed. And if you prayed the extra rakat it wouldnt count so i dont know what your point is. As the Aqeeda you follow has only been widespread since the British decided that they wanted to throw the Turks out and replace them with their appointees commonly known as the house of Saud, and became their sponsors, what did you guys do before. Brelvis do go over the top with some things, and no one is forced to accept them, i certainly dont. But you guys are obsessive. So give it a rest, you to yours and me to mine

My point is that I have to follow the act of worship as done by the prophet . I cannot add to that , even though praying extra rakkat is NOT bad.

You in earlier post said if something does not harm anyone or is good in nature there is NO harm. I am trying to explain , in Biddat good or bad does not matter. When we add ourselves something to religion it is not right. There is a very clear hadith regarding this.

Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.”

Nasai 1578.

As far as Saudi Government is concerned , I do not know why you think I support them? I consider them wrong in every aspect. I am probably the only sunni who has strongly criticized The kingship started by Muawiyah and appointment of his son through bribe and sword. This saudi Government is continuation of the same system.

I do not support them , rather condemn them strongly.

 

[PakLFC]

There are many who do not.

Those who celebrate , they also have innovation is their aqeedah , that is they consider prophet to be made of light , or prophet knows all knowledge of unseen or prophet is present everywhere etc.

All these have no basis in quran and hadeeth. Thus most of the beliefs they gradually get from elders is word of mouth , and never bother to do any kind of research.

The irony is that whole life those Moulvis spend in learning arabic grammar sarf and Nawh but they still do not believe in the ayat of quran which they recite minimum 5 times a day .

You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.


QURAN 1:5

They still try to prove that we can ask from dead people.

I attended this weird celebration when they had lights on as if it's Christmas. People were dancing then finally cut a cake as if it was the birthday or a normal person. When the Muslim's didn't celebrate his birthday when he was alive then why do so now. This guy started to argue with me when i said how the Prophet(saw) was no longer on the world.

The obsession of following Arab culture is not only restricted to Pakistanis anymore. We are however the most recent of people who seem ignorant about Islam and Arab culture.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Dividing oneself into sects is wrong whether it is salafi , sufi , deobandi , shia etc , this is very clear from Quran.

Having garments above ankles is not innovation , I am not sure from whom you heard that , because there are quite a few hadeeth about this. If you want I can mention a few.

I am sure the first three generations of Muslims also remembered and followed the prophet , they did not need to innovate something for that.

I have not seen any one who is celebrating childs birthday and claiming the he will get reward for that. Innovation is in deen , not on worldly activities.

Yes , there are many issues , but I am bound by the topic of the thread , you do not expect me to discuss pakistan vs Newzealand here on this thread ?

Showing your ankles is taken incorrectly imo. Islamic is a logical way of life not based on strange acts such as this. The meaning is dont show pride or arrogance as in those days rich used to let their garments hang low, almost like a dress behind them when walking. There is no logic of showing your ankles, esp when its cold.

Its not about reward , many who say Milad is biddah celebrate their kids birthday, we both know this. Because they love them not for reward.

Out of interest which speakers to you listen to in Canada, Nouman Ali Khan one of them? I know he is American.

 

[Justcrazy]

I dont know who this one person is. I do know who the Saudis are. The Imams there have no freedom to pick or choose their talks, Khuttbahs. Recently one did, he was jailed for 10 years.

The day the Saudi regime is no longer the more united Muslims will be and Islamic nations will start to prosper again.

You are right , this is the difference between Caliphate and Kingship.

This is the system which Muawiyah started after Khulafa E Rasheed and it has continued till date.

 

[Justcrazy]

We also have to remember that even two biggest religions in the world have many groups and sub groups. I have seen Muslim's argue among themselves as to what group is right and what ones are wrong. The advantage Islam has over Christianity is we only have one Qur'an where as they have many versions of the Bible with none it's it's original form.

Any religion is only as good as the actions of it's believers. Never mind what happened centuries back when currently the Muslim's are the most struggling and backward community in the world in terms of education and human rights.

If Muslims truly agree over Quran , the issues would have been solved. Quran clearly mentions NOT to make any divisions among ourselves.

 

[Justcrazy]

I attended this weird celebration when they had lights on as if it's Christmas. People were dancing then finally cut a cake as if it was the birthday or a normal person. When the Muslim's didn't celebrate his birthday when he was alive then why do so now. This guy started to argue with me when i said how the Prophet(saw) was no longer on the world.

The obsession of following Arab culture is not only restricted to Pakistanis anymore. We are however the most recent of people who seem ignorant about Islam and Arab culture.

You should have asked him , that if prophet is not dead , can you show me one single incidence where the prophet interferred with the world activities after he passed away ?

For example why did Aisha RA not ask prophet whether she should go out in battle of Jamal or companions did not come and ask which side they should fight for in Siffin or hanafis and hanbalis not ask whether prophet did rafa yadain or not .

 

[PakLFC]

If Muslims truly agree over Quran , the issues would have been solved. Quran clearly mentions NOT to make any divisions among ourselves.

Until we depend on the Mullah's to explain it all to us things will not change. This gives the Mullah's the power they crave.

 

[PakLFC]

You should have asked him , that if prophet is not dead , can you show me one single incidence where the prophet interferred with the world activities after he passed away ?

For example why did Aisha RA not ask prophet whether she should go out in battle of Jamal or companions did not come and ask which side they should fight for in Siffin or hanafis and hanbalis not ask whether prophet did rafa yadain or not .

You must have heard of the likes of Zaid Hamid who believes the Prophet(saw) participated in one of the Indo-Pak wars. According to Zaid he was seen marching out of Medina in a state of fury to defend Pakistan. Such people will make up stories or narrate someone else's view to justify their stupidity. Millions of Muslim's believe in the return of isa(as) but certainly not Hazoor(saw).

 

[Justcrazy]

Showing your ankles is taken incorrectly imo. Islamic is a logical way of life not based on strange acts such as this. The meaning is dont show pride or arrogance as in those days rich used to let their garments hang low, almost like a dress behind them when walking. There is no logic of showing your ankles, esp when its cold.

Its not about reward , many who say Milad is biddah celebrate their kids birthday, we both know this. Because they love them not for reward.

Out of interest which speakers to you listen to in Canada, Nouman Ali Khan one of them? I know he is American.

You can interpret those hadeeth in that manner , but if someone is following the words of hadeeth and putting garments above ankle , it cannot be an innovation , because there are straight forward hadeeth with same meaning , not one but several , and strong punishment against it.

On the other hand we have Milad , which even the hard core sufis agree was not done by first three generations , so both are two different cases.

Yes you are right I agree with that. No one celebrates birthday as thing of reward , unlike Milads . Also , Birthdays are cultural thing , its not associated with religion in any way.

I listen to everyone , irrespective of there sects. I consider them all Muslims except Ahmedis and Nuseriya .

 

[Justcrazy]

You must have heard of the likes of Zaid Hamid who believes the Prophet(saw) participated in one of the Indo-Pak wars. According to Zaid he was seen marching out of Medina in a state of fury to defend Pakistan. Such people will make up stories or narrate someone else's view to justify their stupidity. Millions of Muslim's believe in the return of isa(as) but certainly not Hazoor(saw).

Many people have claimed to have talked to God , there are several even today who claim , point is to prove authentically.

Muslims believe in return of Isa AS because authentic hadeeth says so , he was not dead. Muhammad SAW was dead , because there are hadeeth which shows he passed away on a certain day , and was buried , the grave is still there.

 

[PakEngFan]

As usual as soon as you state it’s not from Islam. You get Pakistanis calling you extreme, wahabi, salafi, Saudi etc.

 

[PakEngFan]

Layman people are not to be blamed that much because they never do own research . Our lives are very busy , it is difficult for people to take time out for religion. Its an irony that people spend so much and strive so much for perfection in worldly activities , but when it comes to religion we simply believe whatever is told to us.

The real culprit are those scholars and speakers , who hide the truth from people. Such people will be in big trouble on the day of judgement for misguiding people.

Yes I agree the scholars are to be baed but normal people are to be blamed too if they are celebrating it they need to with evidence where there is none. If they can take a day of work for these marched they surely can take few minutes to read about it.

 

[SalimBhai]

You must have heard of the likes of Zaid Hamid who believes the Prophet(saw) participated in one of the Indo-Pak wars. According to Zaid he was seen marching out of Medina in a state of fury to defend Pakistan. Such people will make up stories or narrate someone else's view to justify their stupidity. Millions of Muslim's believe in the return of isa(as) but certainly not Hazoor(saw).

Zaid Hamid is a true patriot.Fought in Afghant war ( 1st one). True patriot

 

[SalimBhai]

You can interpret those hadeeth in that manner , but if someone is following the words of hadeeth and putting garments above ankle , it cannot be an innovation , because there are straight forward hadeeth with same meaning , not one but several , and strong punishment against it.

On the other hand we have Milad , which even the hard core sufis agree was not done by first three generations , so both are two different cases.

Yes you are right I agree with that. No one celebrates birthday as thing of reward , unlike Milads . Also , Birthdays are cultural thing , its not associated with religion in any way.

I listen to everyone , irrespective of there sects. I consider them all Muslims except Ahmedis and Nuseriya .

Who are Nuseria? What about Ismailis, Alawaites?

 

[PakLFC]

Many people have claimed to have talked to God , there are several even today who claim , point is to prove authentically.

Muslims believe in return of Isa AS because authentic hadeeth says so , he was not dead. Muhammad SAW was dead , because there are hadeeth which shows he passed away on a certain day , and was buried , the grave is still there.

Anyone who contradicts the basic teachings of Islam needs to be corrected. The existence of Allah can not be proved like critics want for it to. It is like proving love and other human emotions. I think we can all talk to Allah but there is no evidence other then an individual's faith that he is listening. We do talk to him when making salat or can do so on our own.

It is simply impossible for Prophet(saw) to return as a human or a spirit to fight any war. Isa(as) has a reason to return that is to fight and destroy Dajjal and make peace between the three Semitic religions and world at large.

 

[PakLFC]

Zaid Hamid is a true patriot.Fought in Afghant war ( 1st one). True patriot

No one is questioning his patriotism or love for Pakistan. It is many of the other things he claims that are plain stupid. He and his anti west and love of Arab's was properly exposed by the likes of Hassan Nisar many years back. Zaid thinks he's the only one who loves Pakistan, he starts abusing people when he can't convince them of his point of view.

 

[Justcrazy]

As usual as soon as you state it’s not from Islam. You get Pakistanis calling you extreme, wahabi, salafi, Saudi etc.

The prophets were good looking , had great voices , backed my miracles , they had better speech than others , still people called them names , and said our forefathers did not do what you say.

So I an inferior person if gets same response , It should not surprise me , there forefathers also did worse with prophets.

 

[Justcrazy]

Yes I agree the scholars are to be baed but normal people are to be blamed too if they are celebrating it they need to with evidence where there is none. If they can take a day of work for these marched they surely can take few minutes to read about it.

I am not saying common people get exempted from sin , but one individual gets one sin for one act , where as a scholar will get one sin each for each individual he misguides. Also , he is in position of more responsiblity , thus the weight of his sins is greater than common people.

 

[Hitman]

No one is questioning his patriotism or love for Pakistan. It is many of the other things he claims that are plain stupid. He and his anti west and love of Arab's was properly exposed by the likes of Hassan Nisar many years back. Zaid thinks he's the only one who loves Pakistan, he starts abusing people when he can't convince them of his point of view.

I've heard that he has been boycotted by television media since years? Is it true?

 

[Justcrazy]

Who are Nuseria? What about Ismailis, Alawaites?

Nuseriya is off shoot of shia , even the main stream Itna ashariya , zaydi shias consider them as Non Muslims , because they associate divinity with Ali.

Ismaili I am not sure because I am yet to meet one who will give me right information about them about there aqeedah. But from what I have gathered , there believes are against fundamentals of Islam. I am sure that those aqeedah even shia scholars would be against.

If I go by internet or books written by other groups against them then it is not fair , aqeedah is something that person himself has to say.

Alawites and Nuseriya are same thing.

 

[SalimBhai]

No one is questioning his patriotism or love for Pakistan. It is many of the other things he claims that are plain stupid. He and his anti west and love of Arab's was properly exposed by the likes of Hassan Nisar many years back. Zaid thinks he's the only one who loves Pakistan, he starts abusing people when he can't convince them of his point of view.

I was kidding. Sorry. I think he is totally mad

 

[Justcrazy]

Anyone who contradicts the basic teachings of Islam needs to be corrected. The existence of Allah can not be proved like critics want for it to. It is like proving love and other human emotions. I think we can all talk to Allah but there is no evidence other then an individual's faith that he is listening. We do talk to him when making salat or can do so on our own.

It is simply impossible for Prophet(saw) to return as a human or a spirit to fight any war. Isa(as) has a reason to return that is to fight and destroy Dajjal and make peace between the three Semitic religions and world at large.

They do correct but when you put your foot on the belief of own sect then they start shouting .

When Ahmedis claim Mirza Ghulam is a prophet then they get angry , but when it comes to asking help from others , that ayat they cannot see in Quran. There response is selective .

We talk or not Allah knows everythink , even those what we think !

Isa AS is an exception , his birth was a miracle , life was also a miracle . Exceptions are there in other things as well , but that does not make it a rule.

 

[SalimBhai]

Nuseriya is off shoot of shia , even the main stream Itna ashariya , zaydi shias consider them as Non Muslims , because they associate divinity with Ali.

Ismaili I am not sure because I am yet to meet one who will give me right information about them about there aqeedah. But from what I have gathered , there believes are against fundamentals of Islam. I am sure that those aqeedah even shia scholars would be against.

If I go by internet or books written by other groups against them then it is not fair , aqeedah is something that person himself has to say.

Alawites and Nuseriya are same thing.

FYI. Nuseriya is an offensive way to refer to Alewives.

 

[Justcrazy]

FYI. Nuseriya is an offensive way to refer to Alewives.

Whatever the name , the fundamental is that they believe Ali to be divine.

 

[SalimBhai]

Whatever the name , the fundamental is that they believe Ali to be divine.

You have to give respect to get respect back.

 

[Champ_Pal]

They do correct but when you put your foot on the belief of own sect then they start shouting .

When Ahmedis claim Mirza Ghulam is a prophet then they get angry , but when it comes to asking help from others , that ayat they cannot see in Quran. There response is selective .

We talk or not Allah knows everythink , even those what we think !

Isa AS is an exception , his birth was a miracle , life was also a miracle . Exceptions are there in other things as well , but that does not make it a rule.

If you keep judging other Muslims about their faith, there will not be any Muslims remaining.

 

[Justcrazy]

You have to give respect to get respect back.

Respect for innovation ?

Prophet himself did not give , he said all innovation is misguidance and all misguidance is in hell.

 

[Justcrazy]

If you keep judging other Muslims about their faith, there will not be any Muslims remaining.

I am no one to judge , I present hadeeth and Quran , that is all.

 

[PakLFC]

I've heard that he has been boycotted by television media since years? Is it true?

He is incredibly rude and aggressive towards those who disagree with him including ladies calling them traitors for no reason. More then being boycotted all his predictions have been proved wrong. He tells people to stop using Zionist Facebook when he has an account himself! In Saudi he was jailed by the Arab's who he loves so much.

 

[PakLFC]

They do correct but when you put your foot on the belief of own sect then they start shouting .

When Ahmedis claim Mirza Ghulam is a prophet then they get angry , but when it comes to asking help from others , that ayat they cannot see in Quran. There response is selective .

We talk or not Allah knows everythink , even those what we think !

Isa AS is an exception , his birth was a miracle , life was also a miracle . Exceptions are there in other things as well , but that does not make it a rule.

Talking to Allah makes our heart feel lighter even though he knows what we are thinking. As for Ahmedis they should accept being non Muslim's like people of other religions to avoid any confrontation. I am not calling for them to be harmed rather it is for their own safety from the fanatic type of Muslim's. I simply tell people that I am from the same sect as Akka(saw). What sect is that?

This Mirza guy is only recognized by a few people mostly in Pakistan and India. No Muslim even considers him a scholar let alone anything else.

 

[Hitman]

He is incredibly rude and aggressive towards those who disagree with him including ladies calling them traitors for no reason. More then being boycotted all his predictions have been proved wrong. He tells people to stop using Zionist Facebook when he has an account himself! In Saudi he was jailed by the Arab's who he loves so much.

I've seen a lot of his videos on youtube, and have good idea about the type of person he is. What baffles me is why was he welcomed by TV channels in the first place. I mean, I'm sure such vile human beings exist in India as well. Yes, people spout rubbish in Indian channels, curse Pakistan day in and day out, but not once have I heard anyone here spew venom on a scale like he did against Indus and Hindus in particular. The damage he did to the youths of Pakistan with his lies is beyond repair.

 

[PakLFC]

I was kidding. Sorry. I think he is totally mad

It is his obsession with Allama Iqbal that is so disturbing. Iqbal was no Prophet or anything yet he talks of him as if he was. Most of Iqbal's work was in Persian a language that most Pakistanis don't understand at all and have no interest in learning. Zaid wants to take the world back to medieval times when there was no clean water, electricity or gas. That is his idea of a peaceful and progressive world where his Ummat that never existed in one entity is in charge off all world affairs! So he starts with his stupid counting from Spain to Turkey then the Gulf to Africa landing in the subcontinent of how great the Muslim's are! These days Pak TV has parody shows on him! This is exactly how all intolerant fanatics who only want war should be treated, mock them The Arab's won't even spit on his face!