Eighth consecutive Test series win for India captain Virat Kohli

[Leo23]

the world record is 9 by australia and england

king kohli continues to reign supreme. what a captain!

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[CanadianG00se]

He have a chance to equal the record with Australia with 9 series win.
India plays Sri Lanka again end of the year at home.

 

[thehub]

you are going to be asked questions like how many of them at home, how many of them in aus/sa, etc., winning at home is not a big deal.... be ready for those questions OP.

 

[Proactive_]

Hilarious to say that the Australian series was under his captaincy.. he wasn't even playing in the decider when a certain someone called Ajinkya Rahane displayed what a true brand of aggressive captaincy looks like and led his team to victory on the most pacer friendly wicket in the series while Kohli led India to a 300 run loss at Pune and couldn't even utilise his troops to take 6 wickets in 2 sessions on a Day 5 Ranchi pitch. Most misleading captaincy statistic ever!

 

[Thomaskutty]

What a sterling record. India is by far the best test team in the world.

 

[troodon]

I feel Kohli has the team to win abroad now.

Rahane, Pujara, Rahul, Vijay are capable of scoring runs outside Asia.

BK/Shami/Yadav are all experienced enough to get 20 wickets in Aus/NZ/SA/Eng

We have Pandya who can share the burden of 5th bowler without compromising on batting depth.

Kuldeep should be lone spinner outside Asia. He will be the secret weapon.

I will be terribly disappointed if India fails to win at least one series outside Asia (Not counting WI).

 

[KhalidRafi]

Look, that's well and good for you Indian fans. But other neutrals like me will start considering the Indian team as the best in the world when they actually start winning the big overseas tours i.e South Africa, Australia, England and New Zealand

 

[KhalidRafi]

I can't imagine what respite even the most die-hard Indian fan would get from beating this Sri Lankan side that is arguably at it's worst.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Yeah, let King Kohli step out of India, Papa is waiting right around the corner

A 0-11esque phainta on the cards!

 

[Thomaskutty]

I can't imagine what respite even the most die-hard Indian fan would get from beating this Sri Lankan side that is arguably at it's worst.

The same SL side rumbled the aussies 3-0 and I bet would hand Pakistan a good pasting if they met in a test match right now.

 

[joly]

Current Indian team is full of passengers, we have far better players warming the benches, anyways let's wait for the next real Big series.As an Indian I stopped watching Indian matches after the defeat against Sri Lanka in CT, that showed that Indian cricket is heading towards abyss

 

[Leo23]

Yeah, let King Kohli step out of India, Papa is waiting right around the corner

A 0-11esque phainta on the cards!

and what happened to papa anderson when he toured india few months back? kohli made him cry like a little girl

 

[Leo23]

Hilarious to say that the Australian series was under his captaincy.. he wasn't even playing in the decider when a certain someone called Ajinkya Rahane displayed what a true brand of aggressive captaincy looks like and led his team to victory on the most pacer friendly wicket in the series while Kohli led India to a 300 run loss at Pune and couldn't even utilise his troops to take 6 wickets in 2 sessions on a Day 5 Ranchi pitch. Most misleading captaincy statistic ever!

your hatred for kohli is obvious so i would refrain from entertaining your agenda by not engaging with you. thanks

 

[Sachin136]

Hilarious to say that the Australian series was under his captaincy.. he wasn't even playing in the decider when a certain someone called Ajinkya Rahane displayed what a true brand of aggressive captaincy looks like and led his team to victory on the most pacer friendly wicket in the series while Kohli led India to a 300 run loss at Pune and couldn't even utilise his troops to take 6 wickets in 2 sessions on a Day 5 Ranchi pitch. Most misleading captaincy statistic ever!

Are you saying that Rahane would have won the match in Pune?

Why not give credit to Marsh and Handscomb for batting well? The Ranchi pitch was as flat as you can get.

 

[Sachin136]

Look, that's well and good for you Indian fans. But other neutrals like me will start considering the Indian team as the best in the world when they actually start winning the big overseas tours i.e South Africa, Australia, England and New Zealand

Other teams can't dominate at home or away. India doesn't have to win a single test in SA or Australia to be the best in the world.

 

[idrizzy]

I feel Kohli has the team to win abroad now.

Rahane, Pujara, Rahul, Vijay are capable of scoring runs outside Asia.

BK/Shami/Yadav are all experienced enough to get 20 wickets in Aus/NZ/SA/Eng

We have Pandya who can share the burden of 5th bowler without compromising on batting depth.

Kuldeep should be lone spinner outside Asia. He will be the secret weapon.

I will be terribly disappointed if India fails to win at least one series outside Asia (Not counting WI).

I await for this too. They have the momentum and can challenge others since most teams are still rebuilding. If they don't win away now against top opposition then it'll be tough to do it later

 

[Leo23]

india will beat england in england next summer

 

[Buffet]

I await for this too. They have the momentum and can challenge others since most teams are still rebuilding. If they don't win away now against top opposition then it'll be tough to do it later

Even a average team becomes very tough to beat in home conditions if visiting side is not playing in familiar conditions. Great Aus team couldn't win in India and it took a pacer friendly pitch due to some local politics to get over that line.

Now this Indian team is no where close to great Aus team and I think they will still find it very hard to beat SA and Aus. They may win in Eng or NZ, but that's also going to be tough for Indians. I can see them drawing series, but winning will require a great show.

 

[Bilal7]

Looks decent enough on paper but they've had the easiest schedule out of any team over the last couple of years. Playing long series at home and only facing minnows like Lanka away is hardly a challenge.

 

[Coconut]

Second greatest test team in the history of cricket after 2000 Australian team.

If they can draw a series in south Africa they will be considered as the greatest test team to ever play the game of cricket.

 

[Abdullah719]

Second greatest test team in the history of cricket after 2000 Australian team.

If they can draw a series in south Africa they will be considered as the greatest test team to ever play the game of cricket.

Why stop there? The greatest team in the history of sports!

 

[Railu Katta]

The same SL side rumbled the aussies 3-0 and I bet would hand Pakistan a good pasting if they met in a test match right now.

Isn't that what you indians said before the CT final?

 

[Buffet]

Second greatest test team in the history of cricket after 2000 Australian team.

If they can draw a series in south Africa they will be considered as the greatest test team to ever play the game of cricket.

Agree here, teams need to draw in SA to become the greatest. Last time, Eng and Aus drew in SA, scratch it, they won in SA so it doesn't count.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Agree here, teams need to draw in SA to become the greatest. Last time, Eng and Aus drew in SA, scratch it, they won in SA so it doesn't count.

Ignore him, he is just trolling.


I agree with ur earlier statement that it will be difficult to win series in South Africa. However, this is best chance for India to win. South African team is still in transition whereas India team is shaping up nicely.

 

[Coconut]

Agree here, teams need to draw in SA to become the greatest. Last time, Eng and Aus drew in SA, scratch it, they won in SA so it doesn't count.

What else do they have to do? They already have won 8 consecutive test series, humiliated top teams like South Africa and Australia at home and achieved a rating points above 120 which many teams haven't managed to achieve in their entire cricket history.

I would've wished for a series win against saffers, but the problem is saffers usually dish out doctored green pitches towards Asian team in the name of sporting wickets.

 

[NoBallZombie]

What else do they have to do? They already have won 8 consecutive test series, humiliated top teams like South Africa and Australia at home and achieved a rating points above 120 which many teams haven't managed to achieve in their entire cricket history.


I would've wished for a series win against saffers, but the problem is saffers usually dish out doctored green pitches towards Asian team in the name of sporting wickets.

I think the indian team has become so great that they should quit cricket altogether, since no one can pose them a challenge. Alternatively, lets create 2 tiers: 1 tier has india where india plays against india and beats india and is happy, the other tier has the rest of the world.

 

[kingusama92]

Credit to the players.

They can only play what is put in front of them.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Very good team and definitely the best in the world. Definitely not a "great" team unless they win some big series abroad, but they have the capability.

however, too much credit is being given to Kohli's captaincy. He has not shown any particularly inventive tactics or any inspirational moments of leadership/motivation. Captains cannot be judged purely by win/loss record. Otherwise Ricky Ponting would be a better captain that Stephen Fleming.

 

[thehub]

Credit to the players.

They can only play what is put in front of them.

Very sensible response from a pak fan.

 

[Proactive_]

Credit to the players.

They can only play what is put in front of them.

Except the fact that they're playing only what THEY want to be put in front of them. India toured SL in 2015 and is touring again in 2017 before visiting any other country except WI, and now we even have a return series later this year.. absolutely embarrassing politics on display from the board of the so called No.1 team.

 

[Coconut]

Except the fact that they're playing only what THEY want to be put in front of them. India toured SL in 2015 and is touring again in 2017 before visiting any other country except WI, and now we even have a return series later this year.. absolutely embarrassing politics on display from the board of the so called No.1 team.

What's so embarrassing about it? Two neighbouring countries playing test again each other, what's wrong with it?

During 14/15 india played most of their matches outside Asia and now in 16/17 they r playing most of their matches in Asia. Why r u so upset about it? India is the only team who plays a high percentage of their matches outside Asia unlike other Asian teams.

 

[Proactive_]

What's so embarrassing about it? Two neighbouring countries playing test again each other, what's wrong with it?

During 14/15 india played most of their matches outside Asia and now in 16/17 they r playing most of their matches in Asia. Why r u so upset about it? India is the only team who plays a high percentage of their matches outside Asia unlike other Asian teams.

Would India ever make two consecutive tours of England/ Aus / SA like they're doing with SL? I guess that should answer the question..

 

[kingusama92]

Except the fact that they're playing only what THEY want to be put in front of them. India toured SL in 2015 and is touring again in 2017 before visiting any other country except WI, and now we even have a return series later this year.. absolutely embarrassing politics on display from the board of the so called No.1 team.

You're confusing the BCCI with its players.

Yes, the BCCI is guilty of choosing "easier" series to milk a winning record. BUT, the players aren't responsible for these decisions.

They're picked and given an itinerary.

It's not like Kohli says "No, my boys and I won't go to Australia. We're going to SL instead."

 

[cricketjoshila]

Would India ever make two consecutive tours of England/ Aus / SA like they're doing with SL? I guess that should answer the question..

2010.SA tour India followed by India touring SA.


FYI SL has not toured India since 2009-10.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You're confusing the BCCI with its players.

Yes, the BCCI is guilty of choosing "easier" series to milk a winning record. BUT, the players aren't responsible for these decisions.

They're picked and given an itinerary.

It's not like Kohli says "No, my boys and I won't go to Australia. We're going to SL instead."

What easier series? They have toured every country from 2013 till 2015.From 2015 to 2017 those countries returned the tours,except SL who last toured India in 2009-10.So SL is returning the tour India did in 2015.So if you look at it there are no milking of easy wins.

India will not schedule series on whims of posters on PP.

PS:I have kept Pakistan team out of the tours here.

 

[kingusama92]

What easier series? They have toured every country from 2013 till 2015.From 2015 to 2017 those countries returned the tours,except SL who last toured India in 2009-10.So SL is returning the tour India did in 2015.So if you look at it there are no milking of easy wins.

India will not schedule series on whims of posters on PP.

PS:I have kept Pakistan team out of the tours here.

True but dig deeper.

IND's away tours included a mere 2 tests vs SA and 2 tests vs NZ.

BUT when it came time to play a home series: 4 tests vs SA and 3 tests vs NZ.

BCCI continually lengthens its HOME series unless its against one of the BIG 3.

Your last eight series.

SL
AUS (HOME)
ENG (HOME)
NZ (HOME)
WI
SA (HOME)
SL
BANG

That's a cakewalk I'm afraid considering the pitches IND has put up (minus the ENG series).

Same applies to PAK in the UAE against these teams.

 

[cricketjoshila]

True but dig deeper.

IND's away tours included a mere 2 tests vs SA and 2 tests vs NZ.

BUT when it came time to play a home series: 4 tests vs SA and 3 tests vs NZ.

BCCI continually lengthens its HOME series unless its against one of the BIG 3.

Your last eight series.

SL
AUS (HOME)
ENG (HOME)
NZ (HOME)
WI
SA (HOME)
SL
BANG

That's a cakewalk I'm afraid considering the pitches IND has put up (minus the ENG series).

Same applies to PAK in the UAE against these teams.

The SA series was shortened due to issues between Bcci and csa.You can google it.

From Dec 2013 till Oct 2015 India toured SA NZ ENG AUS and SL continously.No one on PP had a problem then.

After 2013 SA tour how many series did Pak play outside UAE?Why did SA and NZ manage to draw a series?

It takes exceptional performances if you win 8 series consecutively.

 

[kingusama92]

The SA series was shortened due to issues between Bcci and csa.You can google it.

From Dec 2013 till Oct 2015 India toured SA NZ ENG AUS and SL continously.No one on PP had a problem then.

After 2013 SA tour how many series did Pak play outside UAE?Why did SA and NZ manage to draw a series?

It takes exceptional performances if you win 8 series consecutively.

And I've already stated BCCI is the problem. Not the players (so yes it is exceptional work).

BUT...

IND has played 26 tests in a row in subcontinent conditions or the West Indies.

And a mere 13 AWAY tests during that run in 2013-2015 you've mentioned.

That's twice as many matches at home or in easy conditions!

While you mention PAK, I've not said a word in their defense. I'd criticize the PCB too.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And I've already stated BCCI is the problem. Not the players (so yes it is exceptional work).

BUT...

IND has played 26 tests in a row in subcontinent conditions or the West Indies.

And a mere 13 AWAY tests during that run in 2013-2015 you've mentioned.

That's twice as many matches at home or in easy conditions!

While you mention PAK, I've not said a word in their defense. I'd criticize the PCB too.

How many series win does Pakistan have in WI since you discount WI so casually?FYI India hasnot lost a test to WI in 15 years almost let alone a series.

Playing in SL is not away.So by same standards unless Aus SA NZ ENG dont come to Asia its not a away test for them?If that is the case then how many tests for these countries in Asia and outside Asia?

 

[R0H1T]

And I've already stated BCCI is the problem. Not the players (so yes it is exceptional work).

BUT...

IND has played 26 tests in a row in subcontinent conditions or the West Indies.

And a mere 13 AWAY tests during that run in 2013-2015 you've mentioned.

That's twice as many matches at home or in easy conditions!

While you mention PAK, I've not said a word in their defense. I'd criticize the PCB too.

So, let's see what England does in Asian conditions over a period of 4 years, I assume you don't include WI in there ~

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=1;type=team

29 tests @home or in familiar conditions i.e. assisting pace & bounce or swing while just 10 away in Asia, easy enough for you?

You can also check SA, Oz, NZ & WI (can't say who you;ll group the Windies together with) & they also play in similar conditions more often than not.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

And I've already stated BCCI is the problem. Not the players (so yes it is exceptional work).

BUT...

IND has played 26 tests in a row in subcontinent conditions or the West Indies.

And a mere 13 AWAY tests during that run in 2013-2015 you've mentioned.

That's twice as many matches at home or in easy conditions!

While you mention PAK, I've not said a word in their defense. I'd criticize the PCB too.

You're looking at it the wrong way I think. Between 2011-2015 India played 21 tests in OZ/NZ/ENG/SA. Moreso than any other team. We played windies last year after 5 years(away) . Our away cycle begins later with the SA tour and then you will see us play plenty of cricket (more than PAK/SL) etc. in those conditions again.

 

[silentkiller187]

what was the results in the UAE, oo wait a minute. Big claims being made, similar to when Pakistan were made number 1 test team, results are very objective.

 

[squarecut]

When India wins a series, it is because they mostly play at home. When they win abroad, it is because the opposition teams are weak or the conditions were like Indian conditions.

The fact remains that other teams, unlike India, cannot even win at home and if one looks at their foreign tours, their away wins too are under conditions that resemble their home conditions. So, all things considered, India have defeated all the opponents they have faced and they own the rubber against all their opponents. That is the reason why they are ranked number 1 in test ranking and they have opened a big 13 point gap between them and the second ranked test team.

 

[Abdullah719]

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[Buffet]

What else do they have to do?

Win couple of test series in Eng, SA, Aus and NZ. Avoid losing a test series in every single venue. All that if your aim is to get to the best team in history. Drawing a series in one venue is hardly a great result.

 

[R0H1T]

Win couple of test series in Eng, SA, Aus and NZ. Avoid losing a test series in every single venue. All that if your aim is to get to the best team in history. Drawing a series in one venue is hardly a great result.

Undoubtedly, but then every great team in history has had an opportune moment to stamp their authority in record books, basically they were at the right place at the right time, could also be true for India but we'll wait atm. WI great period coincided with a decline in fortunes at Oz & SA being banned, Aus were great for about 8~10 years but had to wait for a hospitable wicket & a few injuries (plus rain) to win their first India tour in nearly four decades, other major teams were going backwards or rebuilding back then.

You could say this is the best opportunity for India to be counted among the best teams ever, though I do put WI as a cut above everyone else forever, although Eng/Oz would be the biggest challenges however should our batting click we won;t be losing many overseas series.

 

[Buffet]

When India wins a series, it is because they mostly play at home. When they win abroad, it is because the opposition teams are weak or the conditions were like Indian conditions.

The fact remains that other teams, unlike India, cannot even win at home and if one looks at their foreign tours, their away wins too are under conditions that resemble their home conditions. So, all things considered, India have defeated all the opponents they have faced and they own the rubber against all their opponents. That is the reason why they are ranked number 1 in test ranking and they have opened a big 13 point gap between them and the second ranked test team.

India is certainly the best test team right now. Best doesn't mean that they will win everywhere. It's relative performance when compared to others. India has totally dominated others in familiar conditions. The same can't be said about most other teams. Then India has not done worse outside of Asia when compared to how Aus, SA and Eng have done in Asia. Clearly, there is no argument to say that India is not the best performing team and talking about alien conditions is fine, but then you have to look at all teams with the same benchmark.

Having said all that, true greatness is winning series in alien conditions and I am sure that Indians will love to win some test series SA, Aus, Eng and NZ. I think batting is pretty much the best all around batting unit in world, but bowlers need to step up to win series in those venues.

 

[Buffet]

Undoubtedly, but then every great team in history has had an opportune moment to stamp their authority in record books, basically they were at the right place at the right time, could also be true for India but we'll wait atm. WI great period coincided with a decline in fortunes at Oz & SA being banned, Aus were great for about 8~10 years but had to wait for a hospitable wicket & a few injuries (plus rain) to win their first India tour in nearly four decades, other major teams were going backwards or rebuilding back then.

You could say this is the best opportunity for India to be counted among the best teams ever, though I do put WI as a cut above everyone else forever, although Eng/Oz would be the biggest challenges however should our batting click we won;t be losing many overseas series.

Agree with the sentiments here. If Indians can win series in 3 and do badly in 1 then it's fine, but to get to anywhere close to the greatest tag, you got to win more often in unfamiliar conditions. That's what great Aus team did even though they failed to win in India for a long time. Yes, luck did favor them to win their series in India and I am aware of it, but you have to still play well.

If India wins series outside of Asia then talking about those team being week will be a non-sense argument.

 

[Hasan123]

India can only beat what's infront of them not many teams have such an impressive record even at home. Next test for them now is to do well and compete overseas.

Well done to India so far.

 

[kingusama92]

How many series win does Pakistan have in WI since you discount WI so casually?FYI India hasnot lost a test to WI in 15 years almost let alone a series.

Playing in SL is not away.So by same standards unless Aus SA NZ ENG dont come to Asia its not a away test for them?If that is the case then how many tests for these countries in Asia and outside Asia?

Once again, why bring up PAK?

Is it automatically assumed I'm defending PAK?

As for the point itself,

SL is ranked 7th. WI is ranked 8th. BANG is ranked 9th. These are easy Test opponents no matter how you slice it.

As for the other nations. AUS conditions are nothing like ENG conditions. While SL conditions are a near match to IND conditions.

 

[kingusama92]

You're looking at it the wrong way I think. Between 2011-2015 India played 21 tests in OZ/NZ/ENG/SA. Moreso than any other team. We played windies last year after 5 years(away) . Our away cycle begins later with the SA tour and then you will see us play plenty of cricket (more than PAK/SL) etc. in those conditions again.

Sure, but you've extended the period now.

Between 2011-2017...

India has played 52 test matches in subcontinent conditions or against weak opponents (i.e. WI).

and only 21 test matches in OZ/NZ/ENG/SA.

 

[kingusama92]

England's run between 2011-2017 includes...

48 tests at home or against weak opponents (i.e. WI/BANG/SL).

and 27 tests away (OZ/NZ/SA).

The gap is far less than what the BCCI has managed with its schedule during the same period.

 

[CanadianG00se]

England's run between 2011-2017 includes...

48 tests at home or against weak opponents (i.e. WI/BANG/SL).

and 27 tests away (OZ/NZ/SA).

The gap is far less than what the BCCI has managed with its schedule during the same period.

How many of that 27 were in Asia only?

i see u deduct India's matches in Asian conditions (including WI), so in that case England tour to Aus/SA/NZ shouldnt be counted.

 

[kingusama92]

How many of that 27 were in Asia only?

i see u deduct India's matches in Asian conditions (including WI), so in that case England tour to Aus/SA/NZ shouldnt be counted.

I deducted matches against weak competition.

SL is ranked 7th. WI is ranked 8th. BANG is ranked 9th

Same condition was applied to ENG. Their matches against WI/SL/BANG were added to the home matches. Otherwise, they've only played 41 home matches in England.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I deducted matches against weak competition.

SL is ranked 7th. WI is ranked 8th. BANG is ranked 9th

Same condition was applied to ENG. Their matches against WI/SL/BANG were added to the home matches. Otherwise, they've only played 41 home matches in England.

Your argument is weak, SL maybe weak against India on Asian soil however they can still compete against non asian teams on turning tracks. Recent SL Aus series is testimony to it. England too had horrible time in Bangladesh where they barely won first test and had to face the defeat in second. Less we talk about their performance in India the better (they got beating of lifetime).

England find similar condition in SA/NZ which in true sense is not away condition similar to India playing in SL.
India had poor away record under Dhoni, however under Ganguly India won series in England, drew in SA and Aus.
This Indian team is far better than that of team under Ganguly. Next round of away games will prove the claims if India indeed is #1 or not.

 

[The_Odd_One]

This Indian team is not even as good as SA team under Smith and Indian team of the 2000s, let alone the GOAT Aussie team.

Will rate them when they win an overseas series against stronger teams.

 

[CanadianG00se]

This Indian team is not even as good as SA team under Smith and Indian team of the 2000s, let alone the GOAT Aussie team.

Will rate them when they win an overseas series against stronger teams.

I agree that current Indian team is nowhere near South African team under G smith, and Great Aussie of 00s. However, Indian team of 2000s was not better than current team. This team has potential to be best Indian team ever.

 

[thehub]

This Indian team is not even as good as SA team under Smith and Indian team of the 2000s, let alone the GOAT Aussie team.

Will rate them when they win an overseas series against stronger teams.

Team doesn't have to be as good as those SA or Aus teams to be rated as current best team. Argument here is, is current indian team really good and rightly ranked no 1 or not. If you don't think so, who is the best team?

 

[kingusama92]

Your argument is weak, SL maybe weak against India on Asian soil however they can still compete against non asian teams on turning tracks. Recent SL Aus series is testimony to it. England too had horrible time in Bangladesh where they barely won first test and had to face the defeat in second. Less we talk about their performance in India the better (they got beating of lifetime).

England find similar condition in SA/NZ which in true sense is not away condition similar to India playing in SL.
India had poor away record under Dhoni, however under Ganguly India won series in England, drew in SA and Aus.
This Indian team is far better than that of team under Ganguly. Next round of away games will prove the claims if India indeed is #1 or not.

I disagree.

SA has bouncy tracks. Nothing like England (minus Headingly).

NZ has blustery conditions unlike any other cricketing nation. Nothing like England which is conventional with its swing.

IND playing in SL is like heading over to a local home ground. Almost identical. Hell, SL/PAK/BANG/IND are only divided by man-made boundaries.

Same can't be said for ENG's opponents. No Test nation is even on the same continent as them barring Ireland.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I disagree.

SA has bouncy tracks. Nothing like England (minus Headingly).

NZ has blustery conditions unlike any other cricketing nation. Nothing like England which is conventional with its swing.

IND playing in SL is like heading over to a local home ground. Almost identical. Hell, SL/PAK/BANG/IND are only divided by man-made boundaries.

Same can't be said for ENG's opponents. No Test nation is even on the same continent as them barring Ireland.

So, you're saying English players find it as difficult to adjust in South African condition thn say Asian team. If yes, then what happens to them when they step foot in asia?

Sri Lanka normally prepare green pitch when we tour them it just this time pitches are flat.

 

[kingusama92]

So, you're saying English players find it as difficult to adjust in South African condition thn say Asian team. If yes, then what happens to them when they step foot in asia?

Sri Lanka normally prepare green pitch when we tour them it just this time pitches are flat.

There are variations of difficulty.

But the adjustment period exists.

I disagree about the "green pitches" in SL. Let's look at your last tour.

Test #1: IND scored 375 and 112 (Herath special on a raging turner)
Test #2: IND scored 393 & 325/8d
Test #3: IND scored 312 & 274

A single score under 200 and that's because you lost the toss and they got to bowl last on a dusty wicket.

 

[CanadianG00se]

There are variations of difficulty.

But the adjustment period exists.

I disagree about the "green pitches" in SL. Let's look at your last tour.

Test #1: IND scored 375 and 112 (Herath special on a raging turner)
Test #2: IND scored 393 & 325/8d
Test #3: IND scored 312 & 274

A single score under 200 and that's because you lost the toss and they got to bowl last on a dusty wicket.

I saw the games on TV and trust me pitches were green as u get. Don't just go by scorecard.

 

[kingusama92]

I saw the games on TV and trust me pitches were green as u get. Don't just go by scorecard.

I did a bit of digging.

Only the 3rd Test had a bit of grass and it swung for 8 overs. That's it.

1st Test Pitch Report

Dry pitch, drier than usual at Galle. Will start to spin earlier than normal, feels Jonty Rhodes. Win the toss and bat, for the best time to bat is day one, he says.

2nd Test Pitch Report

Virat Kohli has won the toss, and India are batting first. All Sharmas are in and safe. M Vijay, Stuart Binny and Umesh Yadav are in for Shikhar Dhawan (injured and back in India), Harbhajan Singh and Varun Aaron. "Whatever grass we saw two days ago has suddenly disappeared," Kohli says.

3rd Test Pitch Report

Surface looks nice and hard, something in the pitch for the first hour and a half. Confident that the batsmen can counter it, says Virat Kohli

 

[R0H1T]

There are variations of difficulty.

But the adjustment period exists.

I disagree about the "green pitches" in SL. Let's look at your last tour.

Test #1: IND scored 375 and 112 (Herath special on a raging turner)
Test #2: IND scored 393 & 325/8d
Test #3: IND scored 312 & 274

A single score under 200 and that's because you lost the toss and they got to bowl last on a dusty wicket.

You can disagree all you want, fact is SL isn;t as similar to India as you're claiming it to be. SL is the hardest place to open in the last 4 to 5 years, according to cricinfo, whilst India the easiest. Also since 1992/93 when SG was first used in Ranji the domestic top scorers have mostly been openers or number 3, against none of the openers in the last 50 or so years, this was revealed in the comm box last test.

Well what does that say about the ball & pitch conditions? Russel also observed that in India generally on flatter surfaces the ball does okay when it pitches in the middle but not in SL. Your attempt to equate Ind/SL/BD or UAE as similar & that of SA/NZ/Eng/Oz as dissimilar is laughable.

 

[kingusama92]

You can disagree all you want, fact is SL isn;t as similar to India as you're claiming it to be. SL is the hardest place to open in the last 4 to 5 years, according to cricinfo, whilst India the easiest. Also since 1992/93 when SG was first used in Ranji the domestic top scorers have mostly been openers or number 3, against none of the openers in the last 50 or so years, this was revealed in the comm box last test.

Well what does that say about the ball & pitch conditions? Russel also observed that in India generally on flatter surfaces the ball does okay when it pitches in the middle but not in SL. Your attempt to equate Ind/SL/BD or UAE as similar & that of SA/NZ/Eng/Oz as dissimilar is laughable.

You may have uncovered another hidden gem of scheduling from BCCI here!

Please note which grounds IND has played on.

Galle, Colombo (PSS), and Colombo (SSC).

IND has clearly avoided Asgiriya Stadium (Kandy) which is where batsmen get run over. The one track that's known to be hard is Colombo (PSS) but the pitch report I posted before showed it was dry when India played there.

And this tour, Galle and Colombo (SSC) again!

 

[R0H1T]

You may have uncovered another hidden gem of scheduling from BCCI here!

Please note which grounds IND has played on.

Galle, Colombo (PSS), and Colombo (SSC).

IND has clearly avoided Asgiriya Stadium (Kandy) which is where batsmen get run over. The one track that's known to be hard is Colombo (PSS) but the pitch report I posted before showed it was dry when India played there.

And this tour, Galle and Colombo (SSC) again!

Batsmen get run over by pacers or spinners? Even in the last tour some dodgy umpiring saved SL hide in Galle otherwise we'd have won on that bunsen if the chase was below 100, as for pacers India play them way better than SL & we also have better pacers since the time Vaas retired. The only time SL would have had a distict edge was if the pitch was dampish on the first morning & they bowled first, wicket might have been better to bat on 2/3 day.

 

[kingusama92]

Batsmen get run over by pacers or spinners? Even in the last tour some dodgy umpiring saved SL hide in Galle otherwise we'd have won on that bunsen if the chase was below 100, as for pacers India play them way better than SL & we also have better pacers since the time Vaas retired. The only time SL would have had a distict edge was if the pitch was dampish on the first morning & they bowled first, wicket might have been better to bat on 2/3 day.

That's fine but I've already shown the three pitch reports from IND's tour in 2015.

Your openers weren't tested barring the 3rd test (for 8 overs).

IND's team is good and I'd bank on them to win against SL on any pitch. BUT that was never the point of my argument.

It was about the BCCI's scheduling to ease its team's path.

And I've mentioned this before, the PCB does the same (when it schedule something that is!).

Unfortunately, teams never "honor the MOU" with PAK.

 

[R0H1T]

That's fine but I've already shown the three pitch reports from IND's tour in 2015.

Your openers weren't tested barring the 3rd test (for 8 overs).

IND's team is good and I'd bank on them to win against SL on any pitch. BUT that was never the point of my argument.

It was about the BCCI's scheduling to ease its team's path.

And I've mentioned this before, the PCB does the same (when it schedule something that is!).

Unfortunately, teams never "honor the MOU" with PAK.

Well that;s fine IMO, you can;t expect India to tour SL as often as we do & then make it hard for ourselves to win the series. The onus is on the home board to ensure that they win, we cop the same less than hospitable pitches in SA, Eng, Aus, NZ every time we tour, as they claim Asian pitches to be.

 

[Bilal7]

What else do they have to do? They already have won 8 consecutive test series, humiliated top teams like South Africa and Australia at home and achieved a rating points above 120 which many teams haven't managed to achieve in their entire cricket history.

I would've wished for a series win against saffers, but the problem is saffers usually dish out doctored green pitches towards Asian team in the name of sporting wickets.

Let me see:

1) Series win in England
2) Series win in Australia
3) Series win in South Africa
4) Series win against Pakistan

Hilarious that you're even considering this laughable notion as a reality.

 

[cricketjoshila]

England's run between 2011-2017 includes...

48 tests at home or against weak opponents (i.e. WI/BANG/SL).

and 27 tests away (OZ/NZ/SA).

The gap is far less than what the BCCI has managed with its schedule during the same period.

India playing in Asian conditions is not Away.But England playing in Oz SA NZ is away.LoL.

Why not compare how many tests England has played in Asia?

Why use current SL rankings to talk about a team whixh had Sanga Jaya etc playing at home through most of the period that is mentioned here.How many series did Aus Eng SA NZ win in SL from 2011 till 2017?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You may have uncovered another hidden gem of scheduling from BCCI here!

Please note which grounds IND has played on.

Galle, Colombo (PSS), and Colombo (SSC).

IND has clearly avoided Asgiriya Stadium (Kandy) which is where batsmen get run over. The one track that's known to be hard is Colombo (PSS) but the pitch report I posted before showed it was dry when India played there.

And this tour, Galle and Colombo (SSC) again!

Kandy Asigiriya stadium last hosted a test in 2007.

Indian team is mainly hosted at major venues when they tour around the world for obvious reasons.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/srilanka/content/ground/59329.html

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Sure, but you've extended the period now.

Between 2011-2017...

India has played 52 test matches in subcontinent conditions or against weak opponents (i.e. WI).

and only 21 test matches in OZ/NZ/ENG/SA.

Yes well but if you are going to discount SL and WI away tours for us, then you will have to discount SA and NZ for England as well.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Kohli's team is currently on a roll and no doubt impressive.

But a landmark series win is still eluding India. For Pakistan test team the turning point was wins over Eng and Aus in home which I consider landmark wins under Misbah and shaped his team for future. That team was then able to draw the series in England and win in WI which capped off his team's test legacy.

Kohli needs a landmark series win to establish his test team's dynasty.

 

[akki]

Kohli's team is currently on a roll and no doubt impressive.

But a landmark series win is still eluding India. For Pakistan test team the turning point was wins over Eng and Aus in home which I consider landmark wins under Misbah and shaped his team for future. That team was then able to draw the series in England and win in WI which capped off his team's test legacy.

Kohli needs a landmark series win to establish his test team's dynasty.

yr hadd hi hai. why pakistan win against england and australia at home was landmark ? while india 8 consecutive test series win including all teams south africa , england ,australia , new zealnd , sri lanka , west indies etc etc is not land mark ? do you know how many series have india lost in asia in last 15 years ? How much test matches have india won in last 15 years in asia ?
waah re misbah win at home against 2 series only england and australia is landmark. while india need to win landmark series....haaye oh rabba chakla ve. gvandiya nu...ehna ne ni jeen dena...

 

[thehub]

Kohli's team is currently on a roll and no doubt impressive.

But a landmark series win is still eluding India. For Pakistan test team the turning point was wins over Eng and Aus in home which I consider landmark wins under Misbah and shaped his team for future. That team was then able to draw the series in England and win in WI which capped off his team's test legacy.

Kohli needs a landmark series win to establish his test team's dynasty.

What is your definition of landmark series? India beating England 4-0 and Aus 3-1 is not as good as Pak beating England and Aus in UAE? How is one better than other?

 

[Mp812]

It is all about home test series and away test tours for every cricketing nation.
India win's test series at home most of times (80% of time)against most of teams. This IMPLIES that those teams visiting India fail on their AWAY tours . These teams include SA/Aus/Eng/NZ and others.
Which also means that these teams fail in alien conditions to them. But if they fail in so called ALIEN conditions it is considered FINE, it happens etc etc
As far as I know ,green-tracks, turning tracks, flat tracks, bouncy tracks are all valid types of tracks in cricket.
Turning track is not illegal is it?
The touring teams are provided with LEGALLY allowed turning tracks in a similar fashion that India/SL/Pak are provided with GREEN or BOUNCY tracks when they tour . But when England make green tracks it is considered fair sporting track and home advantage , but a spining track in Nagpur or UAE or Galle is considered UNSPORTING. Is that not home advantage?

Also for haters when India tours and looses most of time it is conveneintly painted as failure to adapt and blah blah blah etc etc etc.
However the fact is that since 2001 , India has atleast drawn a series Aus , won a test series in Eng, drawn a series in SA, I think they even won in NZ if i remember correctly or atleast drew, is conveniently ignored and only losses are remembered . If India was whitewashed in Aus , so was Aus in India.
A legally allowed track is a valid track, be it any type. A win is a WIN, be it in UAE by Pakistan or in Chennai by India or win by BD in Dhaka or by Aus in Perth and so on. Every track has its own challenges and cricketrs need to adapt to each type of challenge.

On a funnier side but sarcastic as well....If India under kohli, were to by any chance win a test or a series in Aus/SA/Eng , after loosing the toss and were asked to bat on a track which was green mamba on one side and Gabba type bounce on other side..and opposition team consisted of Mcgrath,Anderson, Steyn, Murli and Warne... haters would still have the option of resorting back on " BCCI used its money power to win it" conspiracy theory reasoning...because well haters have no other option but to hate ))

 

[Extra_Cover]

yr hadd hi hai. why pakistan win against england and australia at home was landmark ? while india 8 consecutive test series win including all teams south africa , england ,australia , new zealnd , sri lanka , west indies etc etc is not land mark ? do you know how many series have india lost in asia in last 15 years ? How much test matches have india won in last 15 years in asia ?
waah re misbah win at home against 2 series only england and australia is landmark. while india need to win landmark series....haaye oh rabba chakla ve. gvandiya nu...ehna ne ni jeen dena...

You need to understand Pakistan has been loosing series to Australia before that since late 1980s, infact Pakistan hasn't won a match against Australia till 2010 in England. So yes beating them albeit at home was landmark for Pakistan as its called changing history. Similarly for England, they were number one at that time and Pakistan was very low after the scandal, so it was one sweet win as well.

India has already been defeating Eng and Aus at home in the past, its not something new for them. Something new for them would be defeating them abroad. Similarly for now next challenge for Pak is to win outside Asia. Once Kohli achieves that feat then it would undoubtedly level him against the best of bests.

 

[kingusama92]

India playing in Asian conditions is not Away.But England playing in Oz SA NZ is away.LoL.

Why not compare how many tests England has played in Asia?

Why use current SL rankings to talk about a team whixh had Sanga Jaya etc playing at home through most of the period that is mentioned here.How many series did Aus Eng SA NZ win in SL from 2011 till 2017?

I've already answered this point.

SA and OZ are nothing like English conditions. Those countries produce bouncy wickets.

The only place in England where that's recreated is Headingley.

And SL was ranked 6th in 2015.

And harping on about SL's strength doesn't make sense when I maintained equality for both ENG and IND. SL was counted as a weak opponent for both.

If I converted them into a "strong" opponent, the difference would be the same. Just the numbers would change.

 

[kingusama92]

Kandy Asigiriya stadium last hosted a test in 2007.

Indian team is mainly hosted at major venues when they tour around the world for obvious reasons.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/srilanka/content/ground/59329.html

Even better!

That means SL being a troublesome place for openers is nothing more than a myth if Kandy is taken out of the equation.

 

[kingusama92]

Yes well but if you are going to discount SL and WI away tours for us, then you will have to discount SA and NZ for England as well.

But why?

I discounted SL and WI for both teams. Go read post #52.

It's not like I said SL and WI was "hard" for ENG but not for IND!

AND I have as mentioned before, SA/OZ/NZ are not the same as England. SA and OZ host bouncy wickets while NZ has prodigious wind in all of its grounds.

English conditions are different with a more traditional swing (usually earlier in the spring).