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Electric Vehicles: Why aren't they more popular?

Except trains, i love electric trains.

Electric trains are the bee's knees. I just bought my three-year old an electric train. It takes four AA batteries, and goes round and round the track making choo choo sounds. There's even a coil/fan mechanism that emits smoke from the chimney, thus mimicking the nostalgia and romance of the steam engine, except it is all electric "under the hood," as they say.
 
Big chrome rims, a rear spoiler, a loud hood ornament and a glossy hot pink coat will work wonders for this ride.

I like things in original form, never had a case for my iPhones either.
 
Very low range. Lack of charging stations. Just impractical compared to internal combustion.

More than that, it also takes too long to get going again. Filling up a tank of petrol takes 5 minutes, getting a car to full charge can take 12+ hours.
 
More than that, it also takes too long to get going again. Filling up a tank of petrol takes 5 minutes, getting a car to full charge can take 12+ hours.

And you'd have to have a garage, as you can't very well run extension leads from your house onto the front street.

And they tend to be tiny little things, so you can't lug much stuff about in them.

Just not practical for most of us. If I want to take a short hop across town I can get the bus or train. That's in a major city. Out in the bushveldt I guess they would be almost useless.
 
I think Google bought the tech and got it patent what was explored by Eesha Khare.

Right now it only helps small devices get charged in a very short amount of time but do you think this tech may act as a catalyst to evolve the battery storage/stability into something that this more reliable?

Also, Is the same scenario with Solar panels? How come it's not moving forward in leaps and jumps?

Last year I was watching a documentary of a manufacturing company in California that is making commercial solar panels with some sort of new tech ... the astonishing part was,, their product has NOT hit the market yet, but it's sold out till 2021. So there is a wait for 7 odd years on backlog orders.

I will search the name of the company for you.

I don't buy that Eesha Khare story. Sure i read somewhere that it was a con or fraud and basically the girls dad was a physics professor or something and had basically entered a 'vapourware' idea on her behalf. Those sort of university projects tend to just be ideas rather than actual products. I doubt an 18 year old student can come up with an idea that university lab technicians/professors and Company R&D departments have never thought of !
 
Having said the above often you don't really tend to get new innovative products from within the confines of an old Company. Unless you have real visionary leadership would you put your best engineers on a concept which might not yield profits for 5-10 years ?

So it tends to be new young companies which start off with a blank piece of paper and no 'legacy' business to destroy/trample over.

Tesla did that for EV's

Riversimple could do it for hydrogen vehicles http://riversimple.com/

Riversimple could be one Company which does the same for hydrogen vehicles... http://riversimple.com/
 
I might actually go for the faux leather. I'm used to heated leather seats in the winter. I use the remote starter to get it nice and warm before I get in. Over here its a bit of a necessity. In the summer, the sun heats the leather to an uncomfortable temperature that is oddly pleasing to sit on. Almost like being in a sauna.

This reminds me of a Wifi name I come across every time I visit my favorite cafe here in Nashville....Toasted Buns.
 
I have its bigger brother....camry hybrid. I like the added power that comes with the hybrid drivetrain, but I had to change my driving habits to make best use of the hybrid benefits. Unfortunately the cold here in Canada really takes a beating on hybrids, and mpgs suffer. At what speed does your ICE come on? For me its 40mph ,60km/h.

You are right, the way you drive matters a lot. TBH, have never really checked what speed does the ICE come on, will check it next time I'm driving. I get around 40-45 mpg but I know some who get a lot more because they mostly drive in inner city or suburb while at least half of my commute is on highways.
 
I've got a big engined diesel, but with the new technology these days you can get tremendous MPG compared to previously, nearly double what was possible 10 years ago.

Yeah, I can eke 50 mpg out of my 2.2 litre 5-speed automatic on the motorway if I am super careful, but the new 7-speed box does that and more easily.
 
Yeah, I can eke 50 mpg out of my 2.2 litre 5-speed automatic on the motorway if I am super careful, but the new 7-speed box does that and more easily.

How much of a difference is there between diesel and patrol prices in UK?
 
Diesel is about 10% more. Used to be less, until diesels started outselling petrol engines.

I think it's about the same here. So even though you are getting 50 mpg with diesel, with a hybrid you may get 45 mpg with patrol which is cheaper. In any case, I think it's more of a personal decision. I used to own a diesel run sedan in Pak and had lot of issues with it so I went for the hybrid.
 
I think it's about the same here. So even though you are getting 50 mpg with diesel, with a hybrid you may get 45 mpg with patrol which is cheaper. In any case, I think it's more of a personal decision. I used to own a diesel run sedan in Pak and had lot of issues with it so I went for the hybrid.

On the other hand, your diesel will have more torque and can climb hills more strongly, and it has wider gear rations so you change gear less often and is generally less fatiguing to drive in traffic.

Also, the diesel kicks out less CO2 so our car tax is less.

But - diesels kick out more particulates than petrol engines, so the early 20th-century London smog is back!
 
Interesting business model

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This Autopilot and Summon (controlling car via smartphone) stuff is crazy. Like Knight Rider brought to life.

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I think its the looks and safety concerns. Although Tesla is very 'hip' and safe... it is way outside common man's budget. Model 3 promises a lot but it will be interesting to see what it delivers.

Another drawback is the charging time. When I test drove a tesla the guy told me it takes an hour to fully charge the s model and 30mins with supercharge..
 
With Apple entering the market and existing competition between BMW / Nissan etc we should see some serious innovation going on to address many of these issues.

I'd still prefer security of a hybrid myself than go completely electric but suspect tipping point will be reached within 3 years. Expect to see some dramatic developments in solid-state batteries and supercapacitor/battery combinations.
 
I test drove a Renault Zoe this week. Very impressed with the car which has had some good reviews.
Range is over 100 miles. Has a rapidcharge variant which can charge battery to 80% within 30 minutes.

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Tesla is the gold standard though and expect serious competition / innovation to occur when Apple enter market.

Reviews starting to emerge of Tesla Model X SUV

http://www.whatcar.com/news/2016-tesla-model-x-review/

2016 Tesla Model X review


The Tesla Model X is designed to tempt people out of their Range Rovers and into something cleaner and faster. We try this electric SUV to see if it’s worth considering

Alan Taylor-Jones

8 Jun 2016 14:30

There’s a good chance you will have heard of Tesla. Its electric luxury saloon, the Model S, is becoming an increasingly common sight on the roads thanks to its long range, low running costs and impressive performance.

Now the American company is branching into another area of the market with the Model X. This is a large SUV that promises to add a high driving position and increased practicality to the strong performance and zero emissions of the Model S. Considering the popularity of SUVs, it seems like a good move by Tesla.

The Model X isn’t just a raised Model S, though. While the basic platform with the battery pack and motors is shared, Tesla has tried to innovate to make everyday life easier. You therefore get ‘falcon wing’ rear doors that open upwards, along with clever rear seats and the option of Tesla’s Autopilot system, which makes the Model X semi-autonomous.

The Model X is something of a niche; it has no direct pure electric large SUV rivals. However, it will need to appear a convincing prospect to people who would otherwise be buying an Audi Q7 or Range Rover Sport.



What is the 2016 Tesla Model X like to drive?

Like all electric vehicles, the Tesla Model X is simple to drive. To set off, all you do is select Drive and squeeze the accelerator like a traditional automatic. What's more, there's one gear, which makes it incredibly smooth. Drive sensibly, and Tesla believes a range of 290 miles is possible, although realistically it'll be slightly less.

Not only does the Model X pick up speed smoothly, it can do so at a shockingly rapid rate. Even though our test car didn’t have Tesla's Ludicrous Speed upgrade, it was still capable of pinning four adults to their seats as it catapulted down the road. If you need to go faster, you’re probably a bit unhinged.

Slowing down takes a little more getting used to; the strong regenerative braking that helps charge the battery causes the car to decelerate quickly as soon as you lift off the accelerator. You soon adapt and start using the brake pedal less, though.



While you might expect a tall SUV to pitch and roll, the Tesla’s low-mounted battery pack and - our car's optional air suspension - make for cornering that is pleasingly flat sports cars. However, this control does come at the expense of ride comfort because you know when you’ve hit a rough surface, although the Model X never crashes or bangs.

It might corner flatly and be capable of crossing ground very quickly, but you wouldn’t say the Model X was outright involving or engaging to drive. The steering is precise, but doesn’t feed back a great deal of information on what the front tyres are doing. Ultimately, its handling is more secure than exciting.



What is the 2016 Tesla Model X like inside?

You can opt for five, six or seven seats in your Model X. While the five-seater offers the most boot space, a three-row layout is likely to be the most popular option for the extra practicality it brings. All the seats are comfortable and mounted individually, with the front and middle row adjusting electrically.

The rearmost seats are unlocked from their initial position with a discreet button, but they need to be manually pushed into the floor or pulled back out, whereas a Range Rover Sport's are electric. While adults will fit into the very rear, leg room is tight and taller individuals may find their head brushes the rear window.

More positively, getting into the back is easy thanks to those falcon wing doors. They reveal a big opening with a cutout in the roof to avoid you banging your head when strapping in a child. They need only 11in of space to operate thanks to clever hinges, too. Our only complaint is that they can be slow to open and close.



Luggage space is acceptable with all three seat rows in place, thanks in part to a second boot under the bonnet. With the back two seats folded, there’s plenty of room for a couple of large suitcases, although the sloping tailgate means tall, squarer items may not fit as well. At least there’s not much of a load-lip with the two-level boot floor in its highest position.

The dashboard is dominated by a responsive 17.0in touchscreen that controls almost every function of the Model X, including the climate control, suspension, stereo and sat-nav. With only two physical buttons on the dashboard, you’re left with a stylishly minimalist design.

This touchscreen is paired with another digital display that replaces the instruments in front of the driver. Despite offering lots of information, it’s easy to read, with impressively sharp graphics.

Sadly, this attention to detail doesn’t spread to the whole interior. While the material quality feels good for the most part – even in areas you’d never normally touch – the centre console is disappointingly flexible in places and there are noticeable gaps around the lids of cubbyholes.


Should I buy one?

If you’re in the market for a premium SUV, we would certainly recommend investigating the Model X. An electric car remains too big a compromise for the majority, but the UK's ever expanding charging infrastructure means they're an ever more convincing prospect.

The Model X's impressive range makes it one of the easiest to justify, though, while its low running costs, impressive performance and practicality all appeal.

However, we have our reservations on ride quality and its poorly finished centre console stands out in a class that enjoys some of the best interior quality on sale anywhere. For those reasons, an Audi Q7 or Range Rover Sport remain our preferred choices in this class.

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Electric cars will not be popular in Pakistan for another 50 years given our electricity problems.
 
Would love to own an electric car - checked out the model S - for the price tag the build quality and interior was a let down and it looks like an old mans car - way too big and looks bland. - Great Tech though.

The new models do look better although reserve my judgement until I test drive them.

Atleast Tesla make people want to buy electric - look at the other manufacturers.....

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I test drove a Renault Zoe this week. Very impressed with the car which has had some good reviews.
Range is over 100 miles. Has a rapidcharge variant which can charge battery to 80% within 30 minutes.

If I'm completely honest, that is one hell of an ugly car, but I guess you get what you pay for right.

Renting out the batteries is also an innovative concept by Renault and if they can make it a little cheaper than the 70 pounds per month rate it will surely be a hit amongst potential electric car buyers. I hope that rental fees covers all repairs/replacement needs of the battery and the owner does not have to pay additional money when required.
 
I've seen a Tesla Model X up close. That thing flies and looks amazingly gorgeous while doing so.
 
Electric cars will not be popular in Pakistan for another 50 years given our electricity problems.

If anything it is the answer to Pakistans problems. Rather than rely on centralised power production and distribution infrastructure would encourage decentralised power production with individuals utilising solar power to charge cars at home. e.g. Tesla developing home storage and charging solutions in association with 'sister company' run by Musks cousin.
 
Don't care about fancy cars but in my place, we have electric rickshaw which is very cheap. You can goto a long distance with just rs. 20.

Convenient for people who can't afford taxi, auto rickshaw
 
http://www.itwire.com/science-news/...fall-and-what-is-the-future-of-batteries.html

Looking specifically at the battery, IDTechEx says ‘progress is more sedate. The most common projection of lithium-ion traction battery cost by others has been a halving in ten years which can also be taken as a doubling in range, this figure constraining sales of pure electric cars just as much as price.’

‘However, in late 2014, Elon Musk of Tesla said that he will be disappointed if $100/kWh could not be achieved within ten years with the economy of scale of his planned gigafactory.’

The explanation continues, noting that ‘at the time, costs were around $450/kWh. The statement is deeply significant because it would make family cars cheaper up front than conventional versions probably causing a lift-off in sales.’

IDTechEx ‘does predict a tipping point for mainstream electric car sales in about seven years because we see range tripled as a result of many advances but we do not yet support such a huge drop in cost per kWh.’

Ultimately, says Dr Harrop, ‘One thing is certain.’

‘In electric vehicles and in lithium-ion batteries, everything is changing. Both are being totally reinvented in technology, competitive landscape, applications and more. This is a violent gold rush creating spectacular winners and losers.’
 
saving for tesla model S, soon inshallah will be getting it in 2yrs. i have a man crush on Elon musk
 
saving for tesla model S, soon inshallah will be getting it in 2yrs. i have a man crush on Elon musk

Do like the look of the newly designed model S - sat in the 1st gen S in Norway, taxi, was a great experience - futuristic. Albeit like I said the quality was a step below Merc / BMW - cars that it's supposed to compete against. I hope they have addressed that in the new range.




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Tesla has lot of question marks, the biggest one is the Giga factory, so far we don't know anything about it. Whole company, not just the company but entire electric car industry rest on the success of Giga factory.

Battery capacity, production scaling is huge issue...so far we don't know what is Musk's secret sauce? [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

Not to mention he need to borrow another $5/8 B to operationalize Giga factory...[emoji27][emoji27][emoji27]

There are 7M cars sold in USA in 2015, Tesla and company just crossed 100k total not per year, it's going to be long time before we reach 1M electric cars per year...

Solving battery problem is a hard one, not just car but it's bottle next for every industry... Battery tech has so far has evolutionary changes not revolutionary...There is only so much Lithium we have... All the Lithium we have was created at time of Big Bang, Lithium is not forged in stars like most other elements[emoji47][emoji47][emoji47]



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I think there is reason to be sceptical of some of Musk's claims and I know many who are rightly sceptical of any suggestions of major step changes in battery technology (there are far too many gating factors that go to make up a complete battery that one simple tweak here or there can't revolutionise anything) However when major innovators like Apple enter a market and put their best thinkers/scientists/engineers on a project and then also utilise their massive financial resources and corporate bullying power they can make huge leaps. Necessity is the mother of invention. That is turn will draw competitive response from the incumbents like VW/Ford/Toyota etc. Following their disasterous recent history with emissions VW is going to make major switch to electric cars. Expect to see many Governments starting to ban petrol/diesel cars in future.
 
Tesla Model X British unveiling

0-60 in about 3 seconds ! Incredible for an SUV

Gull-wing doors amazing

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The U.K. Govt are now putting up the tax on diesel cars - this is 15 years after incentivizing us to buy them(thank you lord & labour Prescott) - always the common man that is at the losing end



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Enough to make you choke! First we were bribed to buy diesel cars. Now they want to tax us for doing so. One furious driver says the latest price hike is an outrage

By ROSS CLARK FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 01:30, 9 June 2016 | UPDATED: 09:04, 9 June 2016

According to an estimate by Frank Kelly, professor of environmental health at King’s College London, diesel engines could be responsible for a quarter of the 29,000 premature deaths in Britain that are attributed to air pollution.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uy-diesel-cars-want-tax-us.html#ixzz4B4yyzJ00
 
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Enough to make you choke! First we were bribed to buy diesel cars. Now they want to tax us for doing so. One furious driver says the latest price hike is an outrage

By ROSS CLARK FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 01:30, 9 June 2016 | UPDATED: 09:04, 9 June 2016

According to an estimate by Frank Kelly, professor of environmental health at King’s College London, diesel engines could be responsible for a quarter of the 29,000 premature deaths in Britain that are attributed to air pollution.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uy-diesel-cars-want-tax-us.html#ixzz4B4yyzJ00

Add to this how the EU colluded with the German car manufacturers & kept the emissions scandal under wraps for many years just goes to show how corrupt the unelected EU body & big businesses can actually be.
 
Enough to make you choke! First we were bribed to buy diesel cars. Now they want to tax us for doing so. One furious driver says the latest price hike is an outrage

By ROSS CLARK FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 01:30, 9 June 2016 | UPDATED: 09:04, 9 June 2016

According to an estimate by Frank Kelly, professor of environmental health at King’s College London, diesel engines could be responsible for a quarter of the 29,000 premature deaths in Britain that are attributed to air pollution.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uy-diesel-cars-want-tax-us.html#ixzz4B4yyzJ00

It's not enough, they should tax diesel cars a lot more. Just because a mistake was made doesn't made they shouldn't correct it.
 
It's not enough, they should tax diesel cars a lot more. Just because a mistake was made doesn't made they shouldn't correct it.

don't disagree - but by taxing the motorists? how are WE at fault?

I have a 65K X3 - I'd like my money back please....
 
don't disagree - but by taxing the motorists? how are WE at fault?

I have a 65K X3 - I'd like my money back please....

The tax incentives happened 15 years ago, are you driving a 15 years old car? The auto park should be replaced every 10 years anyways since old cars are extremely polluting.

And forgive me if I'm not going to shed tears for you when you are driving a monstrosity that emits 200 g of CO2 on the km.

That's the way it is, if people don't have the civic and moral goodsense to change their consumption patterns then it is the duty of the government to tax them whatever it takes to change their selfish behaviours.
 
CO2? Have you not read the article?

If I had known that Diesel cars were so polluting
And that the Govt would penalise ownership via Road Tax & an additional London Charge

I would be a right mullet for buying one....
 
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CO2? Have you not read the article?

If I had known that Diesel cars were so polluting
And that the Govt would penalise ownership via Road Tax & an additional London Charge

I would be a right mullet for buying one....

I am sorry, you didn't know a few years ago that diesel is polluting? Were you sleeping under a rock?
It's easy to blame the government for your own mistakes and selfishness.
 
I am sorry, you didn't know a few years ago that diesel is polluting? Were you sleeping under a rock?
It's easy to blame the government for your own mistakes and selfishness.

Don't be silly - all vehicles are polluting even Electric - it's all relative.

quite simple really - CO2 was the main indicator back then - funnily enough it still is today (how many manufacturers publish their car's NO2 emissions) - how it is the motorist's fault - we can only go by the information that is available and the Govt put in the rules for the manufacturers to follow - albeit in this case the wonderfully inept EU?

really would help if you read the article before commenting.
 
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Don't be silly - all vehicles are polluting even Electric - it's all relative.

quite simple really - CO2 was the main indicator back then - funnily enough it still is today (how many manufacturers publish their car's NO2 emissions) - how it is the motorist's fault - we can only go by the information that is available and the Govt put in the rules for the manufacturers to follow - albeit in this case the wonderfully inept EU?

really would help if you read the article before commenting.

Sure, you care about CO2 emissions that is why you bought an X2. Don't make me laugh.

You could have asked any dumb guy on the street and he would have told you diesel has higher NOx and microparticle emissions than petrol. Not exactly a mass secret.

Electrics are less polluting than Diesel in every single way.
 
Normally I would say we can agree to disagree and part ways - however your response doesn't even warrant that as you have repeated missed the point and are simply being patronizing verging on argumentative - I just don't know whether that is deliberate or not - still early days - i'll form an opinion of you in due course.
 
Normally I would say we can agree to disagree and part ways - however your response doesn't even warrant that as you have repeated missed the point and are simply being patronizing verging on argumentative - I just don't know whether that is deliberate or not - still early days - i'll form an opinion of you in due course.

Patronising isn't spelled with a 'z' in Englistan. Just a heads up from one Brit to another.
 
Would love to own an electric car - checked out the model S - for the price tag the build quality and interior was a let down and it looks like an old mans car - way too big and looks bland. - Great Tech though.

The new models do look better although reserve my judgement until I test drive them.

Atleast Tesla make people want to buy electric - look at the other manufacturers.....

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It depends on what you pay for. For example, very similar to the prius but 10k more expensive, you can get the Lexus Ct200h which is extremely good looking and probably better than the Tesla in terms of looks and quality:

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If I'm being honest, the teslas are overpriced for the quality you get. They just look good on the exterior but it's more interesting to go with traditional manufacturers.
 
Bigger question is, why don't we have cars running on gasoline-alcohol blend fuels like in US and brazil?
 
It depends on what you pay for. For example, very similar to the prius but 10k more expensive, you can get the Lexus Ct200h which is extremely good looking and probably better than the Tesla in terms of looks and quality:

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If I'm being honest, the teslas are overpriced for the quality you get. They just look good on the exterior but it's more interesting to go with traditional manufacturers.

Personal preference - I think that Lexus looks rank.

As for tesla - suggest you take one out for a test drive - they are impressive and unique in the industry - thought leader setting the way for others to follow.




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Personal preference - I think that Lexus looks rank.

As for tesla - suggest you take one out for a test drive - they are impressive and unique in the industry - thought leader setting the way for others to follow.




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I don't deny that they are revolutionary but it doesn't change the fact that the quality and the features are atrocious for the price point. Beyond being electric, it doesn't compare to a similarly priced Merc or Lexus. Just look at the interior of model 3.
 
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I don't deny that they are revolutionary but it doesn't change the fact that the quality and the features are atrocious for the price point. Beyond being electric, it doesn't compare to a similarly priced Merc or Lexus. Just look at the interior of model 3.

Teslas for now are for early adopters that can afford them.
 
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Jaguar i-pace

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Indian Govt has embarked upon an ambitious plan to create a sizable market for electric vehicles in the country by 2030. I am not really sold out on it though. A robust institutional Infrastructural framework ranging from charging systems to vehicle manufacturing is needed which I highly doubt we would be able to manage in a such a short period of time.
 
Indian Govt has embarked upon an ambitious plan to create a sizable market for electric vehicles in the country by 2030. I am not really sold out on it though. A robust institutional Infrastructural framework ranging from charging systems to vehicle manufacturing is needed which I highly doubt we would be able to manage in a such a short period of time.

Might it be the answer to Delhi (and other cities') pollution woes though?
 
Might it be the answer to Delhi (and other cities') pollution woes though?

That's the plan. But unless Govt subsidizes the industry in the initial period and drastic cost cutting measures are taken, I don't think Indians would be too keen to adopt the technology which is comparatively expensive to what we have presently in the market.
Aside from that , there's always a inherent suspicion when it comes to taking up a newer tech as we witnessed in latest Ola fiasco where the drivers returned the cars back to the company.
 
Disregarding the obvious cost factor, the other main factor behind low adoption of electric vehicles is the lack of supporting infrastructure. Its a catch 22 situation since investment in infrastructure requires there to be a sizeable market and you need charging infrastructure in place to make the purchase of an electric vehicle worthwhile.
 
The main reason why electric cars are no popular is the range on 1 charge.

What is the range on the popular models these days? You could probably get around lack of charging points if you could go something like 700 miles without needing a charge. Then you could just charge up at home between trips assuming you can fit the necessary equipment.
 
What is the range on the popular models these days? You could probably get around lack of charging points if you could go something like 700 miles without needing a charge. Then you could just charge up at home between trips assuming you can fit the necessary equipment.

Around 350 Miles on a single charge.

A friend of mine has a Tesla at work, she charges her car every Sunday/ She says for short haul it is great, but long haul it's just not feasible. (London/Manchester return).
 
What is the range on the popular models these days? You could probably get around lack of charging points if you could go something like 700 miles without needing a charge. Then you could just charge up at home between trips assuming you can fit the necessary equipment.

Mrs drives a Renault electric car ..... 70-80 real world driving miles on one charge. Newer Batteries that hold more charge for 2018 will give you 140-15 miles is my estimate.

2-3 hours for charge.
 
Around 350 Miles on a single charge.

A friend of mine has a Tesla at work, she charges her car every Sunday/ She says for short haul it is great, but long haul it's just not feasible. (London/Manchester return).

With that range, it should be feasible. Upto 80% it charges quickly I think 30-40 mins. Most motorway stations have charging points now.

One of my fcolkeagues drove his Nissan Leaf to France!! Just have to plan the route.
 
Around 350 Miles on a single charge.

A friend of mine has a Tesla at work, she charges her car every Sunday/ She says for short haul it is great, but long haul it's just not feasible. (London/Manchester return).

Where does she charge it? Does she use a public charge point? I used 700 miles as a rough estimate of what you would need to get from one end of the country to the other on a round trip. 350 miles is not bad if you don't mind the hassle of finding a charge point.
 
Can’t speak about other countries but here in Norway Electric cars are very popular. Many have them because og the environment reasons but many also have them because of the many benefits;
Free parking everywhere, no toll, no road tax, and importantly no fuel.

For normal cars you have to pay GPB 1,6/litre fuel, the toll into Oslo City is around GBP 5.0 at least, parking fee is around GBP 6.0/hour in city Centre and the annual Road Tax is GBP 300. So it’s understandable why they are popular here at least.
 
Can’t speak about other countries but here in Norway Electric cars are very popular. Many have them because og the environment reasons but many also have them because of the many benefits;
Free parking everywhere, no toll, no road tax, and importantly no fuel.

For normal cars you have to pay GPB 1,6/litre fuel, the toll into Oslo City is around GBP 5.0 at least, parking fee is around GBP 6.0/hour in city Centre and the annual Road Tax is GBP 300. So it’s understandable why they are popular here at least.

Haven't they taken away or reduced those benefits because it became too popular?
 
Haven't they taken away or reduced those benefits because it became too popular?

Yes the benefits will be reduced. Gov. had a goal of removing the benefits when 50.000 cars were sold but now close to 140.000 are sold and the majority of the benefits are still there. Sooner or later these advantages will be removed. I forgot to mention that there was no VAT related to purchase either and then tax for company cars are less.

But I have to correct one thing, they do pay a little part of Road tax, but peanuts compared to other cars.
 
Might it be the answer to Delhi (and other cities') pollution woes though?

Actually there have been studies done in which electric cars aren't any better than gasoline cars unless the electricity that drives them comes exclusively from renewal sources.


If we keep the mix of renewable to non-renewable energy the same and shift every car to electric the world would be worse off and more polluted because of all the extra energy that needs to be provided to drive these cars.
 
Actually there have been studies done in which electric cars aren't any better than gasoline cars unless the electricity that drives them comes exclusively from renewal sources.


If we keep the mix of renewable to non-renewable energy the same and shift every car to electric the world would be worse off and more polluted because of all the extra energy that needs to be provided to drive these cars.

India has a plan of producing around 170 GW of it's power from renewable energy by 2022. At the rate we are going with solar parks cropping up everywhere, various government schemes offering subsidies to incentivize the use of solar and wind power and the recent inauguration of International Solar Alliance in Delhi which aims to raise up to 1 trillion dollars for renewable use by 2030 makes me believe that we should be able to achieve the target even if that means missing the deadline for about few months.
Renewable energy is the future and for once I'm really convinced by the steps taken by the Government.
 
India has a plan of producing around 170 GW of it's power from renewable energy by 2022. At the rate we are going with solar parks cropping up everywhere, various government schemes offering subsidies to incentivize the use of solar and wind power and the recent inauguration of International Solar Alliance in Delhi which aims to raise up to 1 trillion dollars for renewable use by 2030 makes me believe that we should be able to achieve the target even if that means missing the deadline for about few months.
Renewable energy is the future and for once I'm really convinced by the steps taken by the Government.

That's great... if India and China shift to renewable that would make a big dent to pollution since they are biggest consumers.
 
Jaguar i-pace

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For sceptics, worth watching this video. Some innovative techniques being used to improve range.

i-pace will have 300 mile range on single charge and 80% recharge in 45 minutes

Dyson are just starting a $2bn project on electric cars

If you follow/understand Moore's Law and it's impact on mobile phones, the same will happen with Electric Cars

I think in 5 years the price and performance will be vastly ahead of gas guzzlers
 
Actually there have been studies done in which electric cars aren't any better than gasoline cars unless the electricity that drives them comes exclusively from renewal sources.


If we keep the mix of renewable to non-renewable energy the same and shift every car to electric the world would be worse off and more polluted because of all the extra energy that needs to be provided to drive these cars.

33% of India's energy comes from hydro-power, so it's a start.
 
Porsche's Mission E will change things forever. It will be the best electric car on the planet. No one does road cars better than Porsche.
 
Porsche's Mission E will change things forever. It will be the best electric car on the planet. No one does road cars better than Porsche.

Things will change forever when good electric cars are available from mass consumer companies like Honda and Toyota that the average joe can buy. The Porsche car will target the upper 10% of the society.
 
For sceptics, worth watching this video. Some innovative techniques being used to improve range.

i-pace will have 300 mile range on single charge and 80% recharge in 45 minutes

Dyson are just starting a $2bn project on electric cars

If you follow/understand Moore's Law and it's impact on mobile phones, the same will happen with Electric Cars

I think in 5 years the price and performance will be vastly ahead of gas guzzlers

Thanks. that was a great video. 1 question though.

How does switching to an electrical car work, unless we dont switch our main source of energy to something clean or renewable?

I am guessing the long term goal is to move to a more renewable sources of energy rather than use fossil fuels?
 
Where does she charge it? Does she use a public charge point? I used 700 miles as a rough estimate of what you would need to get from one end of the country to the other on a round trip. 350 miles is not bad if you don't mind the hassle of finding a charge point.

She charges at home on a Sunday when electricity is free (via smart meter).

The issue is not all service stations have chargers, but the ones that do have around 2 to 3 charging points. So it's a risk. Unlike Petrol, which is available like water.
 
You are mistaking it with the entire renewable energy contribution. Hydro power would hardly make 5 percent I think.

Right, looks like I was off with the figure, but so were you;

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11% isn't too bad, and probably saves us some money importing coal or oil.
 
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