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I think this performance will give a lot of confidence to the team and eventually shut the door for Hafeez.
 
AlizeeFan said:
I think this performance will give a lot of confidence to the team and eventually shut the door for Hafeez.
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Its a shame for Hafeez that this tour did not give him confidence....
 
I'm sure national treasure has his plans of finding his way back in. Hope Inzi can negate them and shut the door for good.
 
He should be kicked out of all formats , without his bowling he is not even good for shorter formats .

He is bound to fail in every critical game as a batsman.
 
I think he should really come down and bat at #6. I feel his game is best suited for that position and with his bowling back he can fill the all rounder role. He was never a good enough batsman to open tbf but he can still be pretty useful as an all rounder.
 
someone should dig up his stats from the last test series.

Seriously...........
 
In general it would be better for Pakistan if he focuses on ODI/T20 cricket. This way we can develop a batting allrounder at 7 in tests.

I trust Mickey and am sure he will look to modernize this Pakistani test line up by adding at the least one allrounder.
 
If he can bowl he would fit in nicely at number 7 as an all rounder
 
sjahmed23 said:
I think he should really come down and bat at #6. I feel his game is best suited for that position and with his bowling back he can fill the all rounder role. He was never a good enough batsman to open tbf but he can still be pretty useful as an all rounder.
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Pakistan need a seam bowling all rounder , there are other better spinning all rounders
 
one would hope the performance of Sami Aslam would give Misbah and management some confidence in selecting another younger player

this team is VERY OLD- we desperately need some more young blood
 
If he again made a come back, there would be something seriously wrong with Pak cricket. After Imran Farhat, he got the most unjustified chances in Pak cricket history.
 
Major said:
why not?

There are players who can't even score on UAE and he can, so why not benefit from that.
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Because there is a guy named Sami Aslam who has opened with great maturity and there guys who are waiting to debut in the middle order. Hafeez is useless for next two tours. We have to invest either in a All-rounder or Middle irder batsman.
 
Pantani said:
If he can bowl he would fit in nicely at number 7 as an all rounder
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Very true, but with 2 preconditions:

1) He has to grow a minimum of 6 inches taller.
2) He has to bowl at a minimum average speed of 137K

If Hafeez can do that, great. If he can't, well, who needs an off-spinning all-rounder outside Asia unless they can bat and bowl as well as Ashwin?
 
Should have been the end after south africa tour

He's only suited to playing the odi format and that's at 5/6
 
Hafeez looked good in a couple of innnings in England but played bad shots. Not to forget he was top scorer in the last two series we played before this series so we would not rule him out.He needs to concentrate and convert his starts to big scores. He has done it before so no point he cannot in future.

For WI tour Hafeez should come in as an opener and he has an excellent record in UAE. Plus he should clear his bowling test as well to give us that 5th bowling option. In New zealand/Aus Azhar should move up as opener and hafeez should drop down to 6 as with the old bowl he would be a beast as we know how quickly he can score. Plus additional bowling option is needed to cover Yasir shah and 3 fast bowlers.
 
Hopefully yes. Select a young allrounder instead of him.
 
Sinking. He will have to reinvent himself as a middle order all rounder which means (a) pass his bowling test (b) demonstrate that bowling in much of the odi series (c) score a lot of runs in whatever format he is allowed to play.
There might be a temptation by misbah to bring him in the test side against windies if he does all of the above. I think hafeezs options are narrowing fast
 
If his bowling is like it was before ban then he has a future. I think bounce he will play ok it is the sideways movement that causes the problems.
Onus is on him to prove himself and come again.
We need a decent bowler in the top 6.
 
He blew hot and cold in his Test career. An absolute failure in away tours where the ball will swing miles but a vital player in flat pitches were he can decimate any attack. I wouldn't mind him in UAE tests but I'd much rather have Sami Aslam than Hafeez nowadays.
 
What Hafeez offers

A higher scoring rate in UAE enabling us to score quick runs in order to force a win
Good cross bat game in terms of cutting and pulling

What Hafeez does not offer

A sitting duck when the ball swings or there is a thought that the ball will swing

I think he still has a place for until the Australian tour. He is the only one keen to cut and pull and probably needs to be persevered with. Don't take him to England and South Africa but could be good value for money in WI, Australia and New Zealand.
 
hur rizvi said:
Because there is a guy named Sami Aslam who has opened with great maturity and there guys who are waiting to debut in the middle order. Hafeez is useless for next two tours. We have to invest either in a All-rounder or Middle irder batsman.
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Sami comes in Shan Masoods place, who do we bring in as second opener? Obviously, hafeez. Azhar Ali can't be asked to open everytime.

Besides, you need reasons to drop someone, you cant drop someone because of one bad tour.

All rounders don't exist in Pakistan currently. We can't play a low skilled player for the sake of being an allrounder. Bilawal Bhatti was tried and he showed that its a stupid risk.
 
Time to invest in someone younger. Whats the point of persisting with a 35 year old with technical issues on non UAE surfaces.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
What Hafeez offers

A higher scoring rate in UAE enabling us to score quick runs in order to force a win
Good cross bat game in terms of cutting and pulling

What Hafeez does not offer

A sitting duck when the ball swings or there is a thought that the ball will swing

I think he still has a place for until the Australian tour. He is the only one keen to cut and pull and probably needs to be persevered with. Don't take him to England and South Africa but could be good value for money in WI, Australia and New Zealand.
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Hafeez has a catastrophic record in Australia.

On the 2009-10 Pakistan A tour, here are some records for you to compare in the 2 A Tests.

Mohammad Hafeez: 40 runs @ 10.00
Azhar Ali: 160 runs @ 40.00
Umar Akmal: 283 runs @ 94.33
Sarfraz Ahmed: 180 runs @ 45.00

Hafeez loves to cut and pull. But he's rubbish at it.
 
Major said:
Sami comes in Shan Masoods place, who do we bring in as second opener? Obviously, hafeez. Azhar Ali can't be asked to open everytime.

Besides, you need reasons to drop someone, you cant drop someone because of one bad tour.

All rounders don't exist in Pakistan currently. We can't play a low skilled player for the sake of being an allrounder. Bilawal Bhatti was tried and he showed that its a stupid risk.
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Babar Azam should be debuting if we dont try ARs. Hafeez has no utility in Aus and NZ and reason is his shambolic performance in England
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Time to invest in someone younger. Whats the point of persisting with a 35 year old with technical issues on non UAE surfaces.
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excellent common sense post compared to some of the rubbish thinking on this thread.
 
Hafeez cannot handle any lateral movement and his concentration is not good enough for a Test player. Some of his dismissals on this tour have been infuriatingly soft.

As a middle order all-rounder in ODIs he can be persisted with for a while longer form permitted.
 
Dropping Iftikhar would be a stupid idiot thing to do. He failed sure. But he might come good in the future as opposed to fair weather FTSB(Flat track somewhat bully) Hafeez living up to his derisive nickname every darn time.

Even Lokesh Rahul who debuted for India dropped a few catches and failed miserably. But he got a ton in his 2nd test. Now Iftikhar might not even be 5% the player Rahul is. But people should at least give him more than 1 test to prove himself.
 
Junaids said:
Hafeez has a catastrophic record in Australia.

On the 2009-10 Pakistan A tour, here are some records for you to compare in the 2 A Tests.

Mohammad Hafeez: 40 runs @ 10.00
Azhar Ali: 160 runs @ 40.00
Umar Akmal: 283 runs @ 94.33
Sarfraz Ahmed: 180 runs @ 45.00

Hafeez loves to cut and pull. But he's rubbish at it.
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Hafeez of that time had a poor record anywhere and everywhere. A part of me thinks that he'll probably never play test cricket again but Sami Aslam to me doesn't look like a player who can dominate bowlers.

I just hope Babar Azam and Haris Sohail can in the test team and that Haris has worked on his short ball issue.
 
leatherface58 said:
Dropping Iftikhar would be a stupid idiot thing to do. He failed sure. But he might come good in the future as opposed to fair weather FTSB(Flat track somewhat bully) Hafeez living up to his derisive nickname every darn time.

Even Lokesh Rahul who debuted for India dropped a few catches and failed miserably. But he got a ton in his 2nd test. Now Iftikhar might not even be 5% the player Rahul is. But people should at least give him more than 1 test to prove himself.
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Most of us here have seen Iftikhar play and there's no chance of that happening.
 
Junaids said:
Hafeez has a catastrophic record in Australia.

On the 2009-10 Pakistan A tour, here are some records for you to compare in the 2 A Tests.

Mohammad Hafeez: 40 runs @ 10.00
Azhar Ali: 160 runs @ 40.00
Umar Akmal: 283 runs @ 94.33
Sarfraz Ahmed: 180 runs @ 45.00

Hafeez loves to cut and pull. But he's rubbish at it.
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Talk about 2010 since he came back and became permanent fixture. Except for SA in 2013 please is there some one who can give his total test stats please.
 
Time to say bye to Hafeez in all formats.

There are better top order options available and Pakistan should look to build their team for the next WC. I do not see Hafeez lasting that long.
 
Azhar has a batting average of 32 as an opener. He is not going to fare any better than Hafeez. Dropping him to bring in Iftikhar was a failed experiment.

Sami is very new and jury is still out on him as to how he will perform under different conditions.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Azhar has a batting average of 32 as an opener. He is not going to fare any better than Hafeez. Dropping him to bring in Iftikhar was a failed experiment.

Sami is very new and jury is still out on him as to how he will perform under different conditions.
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Azhar averages 32 after opening in like 2 or 3 tests and that too against some good bowling attacks. Azhar opening also leaves a spot open for Babar to come into the test team.
 
He'll never be dropped or even moved down the order. He has more lives than a cat.

Only in Pakistan can someone be badly exposed time and again for a decade and not just be retained but be given a central position.

This fascination with bits and pieces cricketers has destroyed our cricket.

At the beginning of the 90's if someone had seen Afridi, Malik and Hafeez play and then be told that they would become not only some of the most capped players but future captains with big fan bases they would have thought you'd on the wacky backy.

You reap what you sow and our results are proof of that.
 
But but he can cut and pull 120-130kmh waist high thunderbolts,should go in australia :yk
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Azhar has a batting average of 32 as an opener. He is not going to fare any better than Hafeez. Dropping him to bring in Iftikhar was a failed experiment.

Sami is very new and jury is still out on him as to how he will perform under different conditions.
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Whats Azhar's sample size as an opener? He made 49 and 30*(out of 42) in his last test.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Hafeez of that time had a poor record anywhere and everywhere. A part of me thinks that he'll probably never play test cricket again but Sami Aslam to me doesn't look like a player who can dominate bowlers.

I just hope Babar Azam and Haris Sohail can in the test team and that Haris has worked on his short ball issue.
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Sami s dominated the English bowlers far more than hafeez did lol
 
miandadrules said:
He'll never be dropped or even moved down the order. He has more lives than a cat.

Only in Pakistan can someone be badly exposed time and again for a decade and not just be retained but be given a central position.

This fascination with bits and pieces cricketers has destroyed our cricket.

At the beginning of the 90's if someone had seen Afridi, Malik and Hafeez play and then be told that they would become not only some of the most capped players but future captains with big fan bases they would have thought you'd on the wacky backy.

You reap what you sow and our results are proof of that.
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Potw - all absolutely true
 
Major said:
Sami comes in Shan Masoods place, who do we bring in as second opener? Obviously, hafeez. Azhar Ali can't be asked to open everytime.

Besides, you need reasons to drop someone, you cant drop someone because of one bad tour.

All rounders don't exist in Pakistan currently. We can't play a low skilled player for the sake of being an allrounder. Bilawal Bhatti was tried and he showed that its a stupid risk.
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I'm guessing you missed this thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...n-outside-Asia-in-the-history-of-Test-Cricket!
A choker and a serial dropper to go with it. :hafeez
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Most of us here have seen Iftikhar play and there's no chance of that happening.
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I don't trust most of the PPers at all. Most of you are very fickle and change opinions like babies change diapers. Ditching him after a test BECAUSE YOU THINK he won't do well is dumb on so many levels. If you thought he wouldn't be good, why give him a chance eh? Now that you have, let him play. Then jump on the bandwagon if he does well somehwo.
 
leatherface58 said:
I don't trust most of the PPers at all. Most of you are very fickle and change opinions like babies change diapers. Ditching him after a test BECAUSE YOU THINK he won't do well is dumb on so many levels. If you thought he wouldn't be good, why give him a chance eh? Now that you have, let him play. Then jump on the bandwagon if he does well somehwo.
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You can trust me.

Blame the selectors. He's trash so I won't be jumping on the bandwagon.
 
if he bowls again, he probably comes in for iftikhar, probably somewhere down the order.

nothing wrong with that until a better utility player comes along. there are better batters, and better bowlers, but dont know of any all rounders who have excelled in fc other than hammad who wont be considered for some reason im unaware of.
 
Yes once he starts bowling he can come down the order at 6 and play as a 5th bowler. Also with old ball would be much better. Hope Micky realises this asap.
 
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Never count him out... could yet make a return for WI Tests.
 
Don't really mind him on flat pitches or in the UAE since we can increase our chances of winning more Test series but he's not that good abroad.
 
ExplicitAI said:
Don't really mind him on flat pitches or in the UAE since we can increase our chances of winning more Test series but he's not that good abroad.
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Problem is that if he plays in the UAE and scores he'll play in NZ and AUS as well.
 
aloo paratha said:
Problem is that if he plays in the UAE and scores he'll play in NZ and AUS as well.
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And most importantly is that we won a series on those flat pitches. It's all about maximisation and minimisation when it comes to win and loss ratio.
 
I can safely predict he won't be playing a single international match till the end of the Aussie tour. And if we give a good account of ourselves there, even the 10% probability of a comeback will be extinguished
 
ExplicitAI said:
And most importantly is that we won a series on those flat pitches. It's all about maximisation and minimisation when it comes to win and loss ratio.
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No. Hafeez will 99% not score in NZ/Aus. Better to give someone else warm-up games in Test series against WI before taking them on the tours.
 
Rayyman said:
No. Hafeez will 99% not score in NZ/Aus. Better to give someone else warm-up games in Test series against WI before taking them on the tours.
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Sometimes Aus/NZ may have flat pitches, they're not always green mambas.
 
No Azhar Ali and Sami Aslam should be opening for us till Australia tour atleast and Babar should be included,this should be the team for Australia tour:

1. Azhar Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Younis Khan
5. Misbah
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Sarfaraz
8. Yasir Shah
9. Sohail Khan
10. Amir
11. Wahab Riaz

Reserves

12. Rahat Ali
13. Nawaz
14. Umar Amin
15. Imran Khan
 
Seamer said:
No Azhar Ali and Sami Aslam should be opening for us till Australia tour atleast and Babar should be included,this should be the team for Australia tour:

1. Azhar Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Younis Khan
5. Misbah
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Sarfaraz
8. Yasir Shah
9. Sohail Khan
10. Amir
11. Wahab Riaz

Reserves

12. Rahat Ali
13. Nawaz
14. Umar Amin
15. Imran Khan
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We need 5 bowling Options for Tests in Aus & Nz.


Number 6 should be a slot for A genuine Allrounder.
 
68 in each innings for SNGCP.


He may be added to PCB Patron's Eleven Squad to Face West Indies.
 
He still is not allowed to bowl.

So what is the justification for picking a guy who has the second worst record of all time outside Asia, and is 36 at the end of next week, instead of Babar Azam?
 
I think M Hafeez should be playing only ODIs and T20s. I think Baber Azam should be making into test squad.
 
If he had any chance of getting picked in the test squad again it has gone when Baber Azam scored back to back 100s.
 
MRSN said:
I think M Hafeez should be playing only ODIs and T20s. I think Baber Azam should be making into test squad.
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Where would he bat in ODI's? He certainly can't in the top 3. His ego is too big to allow him to come down the order as a hitter. It just can't work with him in the team.
 
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