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So he ends with 158 runs in 7 innings. This is in line with his career average of early 20s over hundreds of games, however it was said that we should forget history and focus on the now.

He has performed brilliantly in domestic cricket/ PSL which was the sole reason used to justify his inclusion.

Now that he has been given a full series (7 matches opening, without the burden of keeping), do PPers feel he should finally be discarded for good?

Important to not forget his abysmal fielding and dropped catches.
 
can't even score runs against this B-Grade inexperienced WI sides of t20s and ODIs

Farewell Kami!
:salute
 
phoenix363 said:
So he ends with 158 runs in 7 innings. This is in line with his career average of early 20s over hundreds of games, however it was said that we should forget history and focus on the now.

He has performed brilliantly in domestic cricket/ PSL which was the sole reason used to justify his inclusion.

Now that he has been given a full series (7 matches opening, without the burden of keeping), do PPers feel he should finally be discarded for good?

Important to not forget his abysmal fielding and dropped catches.
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He only did well in 3 innings out of 10 in PSL, which is very poor. Unluckily for all of us those three innings he scored heavily.
 
Hopefully, just please don't replace him with a grinder like Azhar

This series was a great opportunity to try a newcomer, time to cut our losses and try a newcomer in the CT. we can't afford having another slow poke in this lineup
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Hopefully, just please don't replace him with a grinder like Azhar

This series was a great opportunity to try a newcomer, time to cut our losses and try a newcomer in the CT. we can't afford having another slow poke in this lineup
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Unfortunately you're asking too much from our cricket board.
 
question marks on his integrity still remain. Not sure if this is an Akmal problem but both brothers being so incompetent is odd.
 
phoenix363 said:
So he ends with 158 runs in 7 innings. This is in line with his career average of early 20s over hundreds of games, however it was said that we should forget history and focus on the now.

He has performed brilliantly in domestic cricket/ PSL which was the sole reason used to justify his inclusion.

Now that he has been given a full series (7 matches opening, without the burden of keeping), do PPers feel he should finally be discarded for good?

Important to not forget his abysmal fielding and dropped catches.
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Can you ever discard an akmal? Get rid of one, another pops up.
 
Hopefully it is in ODI's. He should stay in the t20 side though
 
I think Pakistan need Kamran for the Champions Trophy who at least has some experience in English conditions. It would be foolish to bring in a newcomer for such a crucial tournament.
 
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Not to forget he also dropped two or three chances in these seven matches and had a slew of misfields.
 
babajee said:
I think Pakistan need Kamran for the Champion's Trophy who at least has some experience in English conditions. It would be foolish to bring in a newcomer for such a crucial tournament.
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Experience of what exactly?

We should also open with Saeed Ajmal, he has also experience of batting in England. I can remember a good 50 he hit.
 
We said this in 2010 after Sydney, 2012 after his failures in T20 WC, 2013 after CT and 2014 WT20.
 
Should be it. And Shehzad hasn't done enough either to warrant a selection in limited overs.
 
159 runs for Shehzad in 7 innings. Both our openers recorded averages in lower 20s. Masha Allah.
 
As long as Inzi is chief selector, Kamran Akmal will get more chances.
 
phoenix363 said:
I was hoping that Azam somehow covered the Akmal quota but selectors saw him developing a brain and acted quickly.
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The akmal allele is on the Y chromosome, Barbar I think is related from mother's side....

By the time kamran akmal retires, his kids will be old enough to replace him.... never ending cycle.
 
he gives a whole new meaning to a big match player. over weight, scores a big fat anda, and drops the most hilariously simple catch that I possible in the game of cricket.

the unfortunate reality, however, is that there are no other suitable replacements. given the other decent openers we had have decided jail is more attractive than a bit of hard work before earning millions, probably a trap set by the bcci if one were to indulge in conspiracy theories, we are stuck...
 
godzilla said:
he gives a whole new meaning to a big match player. over weight, scores a big fat anda, and drops the most hilariously simple catch that I possible in the game of cricket.

the unfortunate reality, however, is that there are no other suitable replacements. given the other decent openers we had have decided jail is more attractive than a bit of hard work before earning millions, probably a trap set by the bcci if one were to indulge in conspiracy theories, we are stuck...
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He's right... this is why Kamran Akmal should play as a short term solution. I am no fan of Kamran Akmal but there is just no one else who could even do a half decent job at opening in such conditions
 
I think we should open with kamran and fakhar. While kamran isn't the best at least he doesn't waste deliveries like shehzad.
 
I'm really disappointed by Kami performance. I was supporting & believing he was in the best form of his life. He deserved his chance now time to move on. I don't know in domestic sector any aggressive opener waiting to replace Kami or Shehzad or old tuk tuk Azhar ali is going to make a comeback or may be Umar Akmal to be tried as an opener. I leave on to the selectors they r the better judge
 
saabir said:
I'm really disappointed by Kami performance. I was supporting & believing he was in the best form of his life. He deserved his chance now time to move on. I don't know in domestic sector any aggressive opener waiting to replace Kami or Shehzad or old tuk tuk Azhar ali is going to make a comeback or may be Umar Akmal to be tried as an opener. I leave on to the selectors they r the better judge
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I know what you mean. He's my most disliked player but even I had some hope deep down that we could make use of his form.

But the truth is, he is a garbage batsman who has tormented us for hundreds of game.

It was foolish of us to think he could have improved at 36.
 
Story of his career. Made no sense bringing him back. Man is he lousy in the field too lol, most wicketkeepers are great in the field as they're so used to catching :))).

There's a reason why he averages mid 20s. Sure he could improve if he were younger but 36? Even if he improved, we'd only get 1 or 2 more years of him. Was it really worth the risk? Cos he ended up like expected, kind of the same.
 
Not sure what people expected. I have seen him for 15 years.

He is 20 something average player and a mental midget.

We need to blood in a youngster.
 
ads101 said:
Story of his career. Made no sense bringing him back. Man is he lousy in the field too lol, most wicketkeepers are great in the field as they're so used to catching :))).

There's a reason why he averages mid 20s. Sure he could improve if he were younger but 36? Even if he improved, we'd only get 1 or 2 more years of him. Was it really worth the risk? Cos he ended up like expected, kind of the same.
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This is what I kept saying before the series but PP was full of his fans saying he deserved to play and would do well. And then would disappear when confronted with facts.
 
Honestly it should be the end for him. He isn't the only one that scored heavily in the domestics (because that's what he was telling the media). Even Salman Butt deserves a chance if that is the criteria (just saying). But honestly, 7 matches that should have been a make or break for someone like Fakhar Zaman was wasted on an old horse who was never really that good in the first place!!
 
Just give Kamran three more years! and he will prove himself.
 
Saj said:
He's a big fan of Kamran Akmal and also quite friendly with him.
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sa thouh hafeez is playing beautifully now but i see even stonger connection here in his selection with inzi..this guy will fail aginst any fast bowling above 133kph...do u agree??/
 
Cricket lover 27 said:
Zeeshan Malik
Sami Aslam
Fakhar Zaman
Ahsan Ali
Muhammad Rizwan
Norman Anwar
Mukhtar Ahmed
Awais Zia
Azhar Ali
Umar Amin
Hamza Ghanchi
Jaahid Ali

These are the potential replacements
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Fakhar Zaman is the only realistic replacement. The rest are not on the radar.
 
I will take awais zia - not selected by any team in the pakistan cup
 
I said that before WI tour that Kamran Akmal bubble will burst very soon and it took only 3 ODIs and 3 T20s for it to happen.
 
The_Odd_One said:
I said that before WI tour that Kamran Akmal bubble will burst very soon and it took only 3 ODIs and 3 T20s for it to happen.
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Bubble was only in Inzamam's mind.

I don't where we are going to find a 35 avg 90+ SR opener from.

I can see Sharjeel being acquitted make his way back in time for champions trophy.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
He will still be selected for CT.
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Unfortunately true. Shehzad has been even worse than him so will face the axe. Inzamam is unlikely to get rid of both.

The thought of him playing another tournament for us makes me sick.....can just imagine him dropping a crucial catch at Egbaston while we tear our hair out in the crowd.
 
I still think KA is better choice than Shezad and Hafeez against top teams(AUS/SA/ENG/India/NZ), why? Those team play with 3/4 fast bowlers against us and matches are played on faster and even wickets, Kami can wack those type of attack better than other seniors. Where as Hafeez and Shezad are dud against 140+ pace with little bounce, these UAE and WI type slow and low pitches are not true measure...

If all matches were played in such condition, Pakistan would be among top 2 not bottom two team...We need players who can play pace bowlers better, unfortunately most seniors cannot play pace. After Sharjeel are in further hole in that department. Winning tournaments matter a whole lot more in LOIs than bi-leteral series that too against #9 team...
 
yasir said:
I still think KA is better choice than Shezad and Hafeez against top teams(AUS/SA/ENG/India/NZ), why? Those team play with 3/4 fast bowlers against us and matches are played on faster and even wickets, Kami can wack those type of attack better than other seniors. Where as Hafeez and Shezad are dud against 140+ pace with little bounce, these UAE and WI type slow and low pitches are not true measure...

If all matches were played in such condition, Pakistan would be among top 2 not bottom two team...We need players who can play pace bowlers better, unfortunately most seniors cannot play pace. After Sharjeel are in further hole in that department. Winning tournaments matter a whole lot more in LOIs than bi-leteral series that too against #9 team...
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True.

Need some cricketing acumen to understand this, instead of just blindly hating someone.

On the other hand we have Malik/Sarfraz - both are duds against half decent pace bowling.
 
yasir said:
I still think KA is better choice than Shezad and Hafeez against top teams(AUS/SA/ENG/India/NZ), why? Those team play with 3/4 fast bowlers against us and matches are played on faster and even wickets, Kami can wack those type of attack better than other seniors. Where as Hafeez and Shezad are dud against 140+ pace with little bounce, these UAE and WI type slow and low pitches are not true measure...

If all matches were played in such condition, Pakistan would be among top 2 not bottom two team...We need players who can play pace bowlers better, unfortunately most seniors cannot play pace. After Sharjeel are in further hole in that department. Winning tournaments matter a whole lot more in LOIs than bi-leteral series that too against #9 team...
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Why does he average in 20s then if he is so good against fast bowlers?
 
yasir said:
I still think KA is better choice than Shezad and Hafeez against top teams(AUS/SA/ENG/India/NZ), why? Those team play with 3/4 fast bowlers against us and matches are played on faster and even wickets, Kami can wack those type of attack better than other seniors. Where as Hafeez and Shezad are dud against 140+ pace with little bounce, these UAE and WI type slow and low pitches are not true measure...

If all matches were played in such condition, Pakistan would be among top 2 not bottom two team...We need players who can play pace bowlers better, unfortunately most seniors cannot play pace. After Sharjeel are in further hole in that department. Winning tournaments matter a whole lot more in LOIs than bi-leteral series that too against #9 team...
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Hawkeye said:
True.

Need some cricketing acumen to understand this, instead of just blindly hating someone.

On the other hand we have Malik/Sarfraz - both are duds against half decent pace bowling.
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He is good against pace.

Yet he averages the same as Afridi does who was a bowling all rounder.

Moral of the story:

Bury your head in sand, keep burying deeper and deeper but pretend that instead of digging in the sand you are reaching for the skies.

Kamran has that effect on some posters.
 
One spot needs to be booked for either Kamran or Umar Akmal. That means selectors just need to worry about other 10 spots.
 
It will be highly unlikely Inzamam will get rid either of Hafeez (Performed well), Kamran and Shehzad.
 
His fielding is extremely poor and has been useless with the bat in this series. I would keep him in the T20 side but I would bring Fakhar Zaman into the Champions Trophy squad. He should have been involved in this series. It's important to consider that the conditions in England are different to those in the Caribbean but Kamran Akmal isn't offering anything at the moment despite his PSL form. Losing Sharjeel and Khalid Latif is a massive blow to Pakistan cricket in the short term at least.
 
hass said:
His fielding is extremely poor and has been useless with the bat in this series. I would keep him in the T20 side but I would bring Fakhar Zaman into the Champions Trophy squad. He should have been involved in this series. It's important to consider that the conditions in England are different to those in the Caribbean but Kamran Akmal isn't offering anything at the moment despite his PSL form. Losing Sharjeel and Khalid Latif is a massive blow to Pakistan cricket in the short term at least.
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Dont worry Sharjeel will be back before Worldcup 2019 if he did not fix.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Why does he average in 20s then if he is so good against fast bowlers?
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Dr_Bassim said:
He is good against pace.

Yet he averages the same as Afridi does who was a bowling all rounder.

Moral of the story:

Bury your head in sand, keep burying deeper and deeper but pretend that instead of digging in the sand you are reaching for the skies.

Kamran has that effect on some posters.
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When we are talking about Kamran, its relative to Shezad and Hafeez for top spot. None of them are good for future, but what can be done in short period of time aka CT, which is months away? - This series was only chance to try the youngster or new opener, which Think tank didn't. Other issue is these wickets tell you nothing about the player's real ability, because tournaments are played on very different pitches...

What is Hafeez's avg outside the low and slow pitches? - What is Shezad's avg against top side?

You have to look at things in perspective...We cannot have Shezad, Hafeez, Malik, Sarfraz all in playing 11, against side that will be 4 fast bowler, 2/3 of them above 140 clicks,even on 320 pitch, we will have too many dot balls and innings will go nowhere, we will crawl to 260, which is peanuts on such conditions.

Also, back in 2009, KA played major role as opener to help us win T20 WC, in Semis he went after Styen, which Hafeez cannot even in dream. I also remember in on of the T20 WC, Pakistani scored 193 against Auses, when they had 3 90MPH bowlers, nobody was able to score against them and in Pakistani side both Akmals scored 50s, with 100+ partnership...

My point is at this stage, KA is better bet than both Shezad and Hafeez against quality seam bowling side for tournament, where par score is 320+...If we are playing on low and slow wickets of UAE/WI, then I would play Shezad and Hafeez over KA!!
 
We cry out loud for the selection of the players that have performed well in domestic cricket. Kamran just did that and now we want him out of the test series after 4 t20s and 2 ODIs while he performed best in 4 day cricket. Let him settle in the team again.
 
SaadAliG said:
We cry out loud for the selection of the players that have performed well in domestic cricket. Kamran just did that and now we want him out of the test series after 4 t20s and 2 ODIs while he performed best in 4 day cricket. Let him settle in the team again.
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I think 6 continuous chances against the second string attack of the number 9 ranked side, while you have already been given HUNDREDS of chances and are 36 years old is enough. We saw once again how his domestic form translated to the international level. Now imagine that in england against quality bowling? Add to this his atrocious fielding and dropped catches and now tell me you think he should be given more chances.

A young player with potential should be given a longer rope. Not this failure.
 
phoenix363 said:
I think 6 continuous chances against the second string attack of the number 9 ranked side, while you have already been given HUNDREDS of chances and are 36 years old is enough. We saw once again how his domestic form translated to the international level. Now imagine that in england against quality bowling? Add to this his atrocious fielding and dropped catches and now tell me you think he should be given more chances.

A young player with potential should be given a longer rope. Not this failure.
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6 chances after return to int cricket in how many years?
He has been performing in first class cricket so let him play the test series first.
 
Yes Kamran failed, but he failed "explosively and dynamically" #HawkeyeLogic.

Can't wait until we get shut of specialists in failure like Hafeez, Kamran and Shehzad.
 
babajee said:
The thing is... Kamran has an average of 40 in ODIs in England.. check for yourself: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...m=7;template=results;type=batting;view=series
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If I ever grade you in a Data Science Class I'd probably debar your practicing license for quoting inaccurate statistics that may lead to a false progression.

You clearly filtered series by series averages against England for Pakistan and are only quoting K Akmal's average from the 2010 series. YOU FAILED TO MENTION THAT IN 2006 in the same amount of game i.e. 5 (for the series) KAMRAN AVERAGED.......WAIT FOR IT.......... !!!!!

4.66 with the highest score of 10 runs !!!!

Guys the link that he is quoting please click on the start date to filter in descending order and see for yourself. Kamran's name would appear twice. Once in 2010 (where he is averaging 40) and the other being in 2006 where he is averaging 4.66

Please choose a better candidate next time if you really wanna play this Statistics game again !!
 
We need young players, he is not a specialist batsman and his average against better teams in both tests and ODIs is an indication
 
Yes Kamran Akmal needs to go. Lets keep in mind - only reason Ahmed Shehzad keeps his place is because of his fielding otherwise if he doesnt score big soon enough then off he goes too.

Pak's opening problems continue and we go to CT with more questions unanswered. Now, if Fakhar Zaman is tried then he will play India in England on debut which is no ideal start. Hats off to the PCB think tank!
 
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