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England (117/0) thrash USA (115) by 10 wickets to book semi-finals spot

If India goes through it will be a day game. There is no massive toss advantage. India can breath sigh of relief. Final is also day game.
 
sweep_shot said:
Check the NRRs. I think England may have already topped the group.

It seems like it will be England vs Australia/Afghanistan.
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i already did. 1.9 for eng.. wi is sitting it 1.8 and a regular win will take them ahead. SA wins they top it regardless of rr
 
England's NRR is astronomically high. Only West Indies can overcome that. I rather prefer England over the beasts West Indies who can demolish bowling at Providence.
 
RSA REAL chocking could go unnoticed. They had USA at 76-5 and should've finished off the game right there. This could backfire against them and I think it will because WI monster hitters about to go ham.
 
Brilliant from England today peaking at the right time
Eng and Aussies the 2 most destructive teams quite a bit ahead of the rest
but I hope the West Indies can do it
 
Pathetic display by USA. But I guess you can give them a pass as this was their first WT20
 
It is pointless to draw parallels with this match and the Pakistan one.

The match was in Dallas, USA was fresh off beating Bangladesh in the bilateral series and Canada in the World Cup opener and their energy levels and confidence were at a different level than they were in the Super 8.

USA was a different team with a different mindset and they could have competed with most teams in the group stage playing at home.

Pakistan would have walloped them in the Caribbean.

The entire objective of USA in this World Cup was to compete well in their home matches and qualify for the Super 8. They have achieved that and their players have clocked out. They know they are in the Super 8 to make up the numbers only.
 
Thanks to the stupid idea of having a super over when a tie should of resulted in a point each, we’d of finished above USA by NRR, we’d of put up a bit more fight then them even if we’d still ended up getting knocked out!
 
Thephenom said:
Thanks to the stupid idea of having a super over when a tie should of resulted in a point each, we’d of finished above USA by NRR, we’d of put up a bit more fight then them even if we’d still ended up getting knocked out!
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Yeah I don’t get why everything has to have a super over now. Super over for the knockouts is ideal, but in a group game or Super 8, should just be a tie like it is in the Vitality Blast.
 
followed said:
They would have destroyed them badly. I m certain of that
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Might have been caught cold with it being the first game… but in this form the likes of Salt, Buttler, Bairstow and Brook IMHO would have decimated Scotland. We’ll never know either way :)
 
Mamoon said:
It is pointless to draw parallels with this match and the Pakistan one.

The match was in Dallas, USA was fresh off beating Bangladesh in the bilateral series and Canada in the World Cup opener and their energy levels and confidence were at a different level than they were in the Super 8.

USA was a different team with a different mindset and they could have competed with most teams in the group stage playing at home.

Pakistan would have walloped them in the Caribbean.

The entire objective of USA in this World Cup was to compete well in their home matches and qualify for the Super 8. They have achieved that and their players have clocked out. They know they are in the Super 8 to make up the numbers only.
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USA would have gotten Smashed had they played England in Dallas. SA is hard to gauge. SA is too inconsistent to ever determine an outcome but had they played England, they wouldn't be here, Because England would have nuked their confidence.

They'd only stand a chance against england in NY but even then highly doubt USA boys are playing Jordan or any other pacer in NY.

Had they played England they wouldn't be in S8 as even if all games went through and the storm didn't happen, Their confidence would have been dented, Canada would have beaten them.
 
Even against BD it was some crazy hitting by Harmeet Singh and some ridiculous collapse by BD batsmen that won them the series. They got thrashed in the last game like today.
 
Buttler: CJ executed fantastically

England's captain Jos Buttler (83no off 38 balls)

"Topping the group and net run rate was in my mind.

"Adil and Livingstone in tandem caused pressure and created wickets.

"Credit to Livy for being ready and taking it on.

"I think we've got great options for our team. We chose Jordan because we wanted to all-round capabilities and he executed that fantastically. A World Cup hat-trick is a great effort.

"Really important, feeling good all year.

"Important to look after my own game as well. I'm still one of 11 and have to go my job."
 
England qualify for the SFs!

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BDfanforever said:
Even against BD it was some crazy hitting by Harmeet Singh and some ridiculous collapse by BD batsmen that won them the series. They got thrashed in the last game like today.
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They won the series against you guys.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
USA got satisfied after qualifying for Super. They didn't had any hunger in last 2 matches. Pakistan would have at least provided us 3 entertaining matches to watch. What a waste of slots by USA and Bang. This is why i don't like upsets. It ruins the fun of the event.
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Pakistan vs SA may have been intresting as SA chokes too much and its almost impossible to ever determine an outcome with them, On occasion they'll smack a 400 against 2023 Australia in a series but lose to Nedtherlands and barely scrap by Pakistan in wc

Same with t20, they'll dominate multiple top teams but can have a stage fright moment against Nepal.

England vs Pakistan would have been the same as in the t20 series we played against them before this cup, they'd maul us casually. We'd do better then USA in that we'd probs get a wicket here and their, but they'd still dominate us black and blue.
 
Thephenom said:
Thanks to the stupid idea of having a super over when a tie should of resulted in a point each, we’d of finished above USA by NRR, we’d of put up a bit more fight then them even if we’d still ended up getting knocked out!
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If anything superover gave you a chance to correct your mistake against an associate team. Blame your lads not the format.
 
mominsaigol said:
USA would have gotten Smashed had they played England in Dallas. SA is hard to gauge. SA is too inconsistent to ever determine an outcome but had they played England, they wouldn't be here, Because England would have nuked their confidence.

They'd only stand a chance against england in NY but even then highly doubt USA boys are playing Jordan or any other pacer in NY.

Had they played England they wouldn't be in S8 as even if all games went through and the storm didn't happen, Their confidence would have been dented, Canada would have beaten them.
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People can debate why Pakistan lost to USA until the cows come home, but if we keep our emotions aside, it was no different to England losing to Netherlands in 2009 and both Pakistan and England losing to Ireland in 2007 & 2011.

Sometimes, minnows and associate teams can pull the rug beneath you. It happens.

The real kick in the teeth was losing to India after dominating 95% of the game. Winning that game would have done a world of good for Pakistan. Not only would it have banished the demons of the USA game, Pakistan would have competed really well with SA, ENG & WI in the Super 8.
 
Mamoon said:
People can debate why Pakistan lost to USA until the cows come home, but if we keep our emotions aside, it was no different to England losing to Netherlands in 2009 and both Pakistan and England losing to Ireland in 2007 & 2011.

Sometimes, minnows and associate teams can pull the rug beneath you. It happens.

The real kick in the teeth was losing to India after dominating 95% of the game. Winning that game would have done a world of good for Pakistan. Not only would it have banished the demons of the USA game, Pakistan would have competed really well with SA, ENG & WI in the Super 8.
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Ik, I'm not referring to Pakistan, I'm not really interested in them now that their gone.

I'm talking about a hypothetical. With the form that they are in, England wouldn't lose to USA at all, they'd thrash them black and blue so 2009, 2007 and 2011 isn't relevant.

What I'm trying to say is that SA vs USA in Dallas would have been a better comparison. SA is way too inconsistent, even in 2023 they can go from smacking 2023 Australia black and blue, and destroying numerous top quality sides to losing to Nedtherlands and barely scrapping by Pakistan who had the worst bowling attack of the tournament.

2024 is the same, they've had multiple heart attacks against Nepal, Nedtherlands, Bangladesh etc etc.
 
mominsaigol said:
Ik, I'm not referring to Pakistan, I'm not really interested in them now that their gone.

I'm talking about a hypothetical. With the form that they are in, England wouldn't lose to USA at all, they'd thrash them black and blue so 2009, 2007 and 2011 isn't relevant.

What I'm trying to say is that SA vs USA in Dallas would have been a better comparison. SA is way too inconsistent, even in 2023 they can go from smacking 2023 Australia black and blue, and destroying numerous top quality sides to losing to Nedtherlands and barely scrapping by Pakistan who had the worst bowling attack of the tournament.

2024 is the same, they've had multiple heart attacks against Nepal, Nedtherlands, Bangladesh etc etc.
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@Mamoon

Basically long story short, England and India are the only 2 teams of the tournament that ain't losing to any minnows regardless of circumstances minus maybe NY. But defo not in dallas.

Every other team like aus, SA, WI sure. But not these 2.
 
Buttler and Jordan demolish USA as England reach semi-finals with dominant victory

England and USA faced off in a decisive Super Eights encounter in Barbados - with both sides still able to qualify for the ICC Men's T20 World Cup semi-finals.

And Jos Buttler's side won so emphatically - by ten wickets - they confirmed their semi-final berth with West Indies and South Africa still to play later on Sunday for the remaining spot from the group.

The USA were 115 all out, with an over remaining - having lost the last five wickets for no runs.

Chris Jordan took four wickets in the 19th over to wrap up the innings, after Adil Rashid had earlier taken two to make him England's joint-highest wicket-taker in Men's T20 World Cups.

And England reached 117 for no loss in just under ten overs, with Jos Buttler hitting an epic 83 not out.

England fell to South Africa last time but with a win over the West Indies under their belts, they had the edge over the USA - who had no wins in this stage as yet but could still have gone through if they won decisively enough today.

England made one change, Chris Jordan replacing Mark Wood, with the USA naming an unchanged line-up.

Adil Rashid was England's standout bowler as they restricted the USA top-order. The spinner finished the innings with figures of 2/13 - removing the dual dangers of Nitish Kumar (30 off 24 balls) and captain Aaron Jones (10 off 16).

It came after the host nation made a brisk start to the powerplay before the wickets of Andries Gous (caught Phil Salt, bowled Reece Topley for 8) and Steven Taylor (caught Moeen Ali, bowled Sam Curran for 12) left them on 43/2.

Nitish and Jones looked set fair to form a decent partnership, but Rashid put paid to that, with wickets in successive overs of his spell.

Liam Livingstone also got in on the action, removing Milind Kumar with a great catch from wicketkeeper Jos Buttler.

After that, the USA collapsed from 115/5 to 115 all out, beginning with Curran making amends for what had been a very expensive 18th over, having been hit for two, four and six by Harmeet Singh, drawing him into the reliable hands of Chris Jordan.

Jordan bowled the next over himself, and it was a spectacular one.

First he removed the threatening Anderson with a low full toss that he could direct only to Harry Brook.

Then came his hat-trick - taking out Muhammad Ali-Khan's off stump, hitting Nosthush Kenjige's shin, and sending Saurabh Netravalkar's middle stump flying to conclude an amazing feat plus the USA innings.

England knew they would have to win convincingly if they were to secure their semi-final spot themselves without having to wait for the result of the remaining group game - and even more so if they wanted to be in with a chance of topping the group.

And so it proved, with captain Buttler leading the way. His 83 off just 38 balls was a sensational knock, most notably hitting five sixes off one Harmeet over to close in on the win.

Salt gave solid support with his 25 off 21.


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Another reason why associates shouldnt play main round of the tournament.

They are not good enough.

I will keep repeating ICC should do more to ensure draws like NZ and PAK should be in main round instead of USA and Uganda.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Another reason why associates shouldnt play main round of the tournament.

They are not good enough.

I will keep repeating ICC should do more to ensure draws like NZ and PAK should be in main round instead of USA and Uganda.
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Pakistan maybe as SA vs Pakistan could have been intresting.

NZ would have gotten mauled worse then Afghanistan by far. Their out of it. Afghanistan beat Australia and Wi vs SA is a virtual QF.
 
mominsaigol said:
Pakistan vs SA may have been intresting as SA chokes too much and its almost impossible to ever determine an outcome with them, On occasion they'll smack a 400 against 2023 Australia in a series but lose to Nedtherlands and barely scrap by Pakistan in wc

Same with t20, they'll dominate multiple top teams but can have a stage fright moment against Nepal.

England vs Pakistan would have been the same as in the t20 series we played against them before this cup, they'd maul us casually. We'd do better then USA in that we'd probs get a wicket here and their, but they'd still dominate us black and blue.
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I never thought I would see a day where Eng has a match winning spinner (Adil Rashid) but Pakistan doesn't'. At time I get frustrated by Indian team management but Pakistan is on a whole different level. It's not even comparable. 4 openers in squad but they don't get to open the innings, 1 middle order batsman who gets to bat after lower order sloggers. No fast bowling allrounder and a spinner who plays as a specialist batsman. It's more bizarre because Gary Kirsten is a proven coach and he made such blunders. Unbelievable.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
I never thought I would see a day where Eng has a match winning spinner (Adil Rashid) but Pakistan doesn't'. At time I get frustrated by Indian team management but Pakistan is on a whole different level. It's not even comparable. 4 openers in squad but they don't get to open the innings, 1 middle order batsman who gets to bat after lower order sloggers. No fast bowling allrounder and a spinner who plays as a specialist batsman. It's more bizarre because Gary Kirsten is a proven coach and he made such blunders. Unbelievable.
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Naw it's more like

- Babar and rizwan = 2 worst PP openers in the history of T20.

- saim and usman = Newbie tailenders

- Chacha= Misbah fraud

- Azam= Champion of the Sumo Division

- Shadab= Only allrounder on the planet who can't bat or Bowl.

- Imad= unfit and can't run, but decent bowler though.

- Fakhar= Tbh to Fakhar, He's a gun odi specialist, but t20 hasn't been his fortei but kinda stupid of management to not make him open and use the PP, since he's literally the only six hitter you habe
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Another reason why associates shouldnt play main round of the tournament.

They are not good enough.

I will keep repeating ICC should do more to ensure draws like NZ and PAK should be in main round instead of USA and Uganda.
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They played well to beat better teams, kudos to them. Part time cricketers, limited facilities, little exposure, USA deserve it far more than Babar & Co. Heck they wanted it more than PCBs tourists. Even if by some sheer fortune them lot qualify to the Super8s, imagine the hammering waiting for them.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Another reason why associates shouldnt play main round of the tournament.

They are not good enough.

I will keep repeating ICC should do more to ensure draws like NZ and PAK should be in main round instead of USA and Uganda.
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Who the hell wants to watch NZ
 
Yea USA got mauled badly. Pakistan would have been mauled less badly. At the end of the day nothing will change who will make the semi finals. Last year West Indies full of mercenaries did not even make super 12. We have to look at world T20 similar to World cup soccer. Let me give a few examples

2014 - Spain, Netherlands, Chile, Australia in the same group. Spain was a dominating force during that period. They lost 0-2 to Chile. THey lost to Netherlands. That's it. Tournament over for them.

2018 - Germany exited and finished 4th in a group that had South korea, Mexico, Sweden and exited.

One bad match against a minnow can ruin your chances. That is what happened to Pakistan. USA also troubled India.
They beat Canada convincingly. THey would have beaten Ireland too. Just because they got bulldozed by West Indian mercenaries and England you can't criticize them. These two teams can do the same to established nations. Remember Buttler absolutely massacred Australian bowling in 2021 world cup first round.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Yea USA got mauled badly. Pakistan would have been mauled less badly. At the end of the day nothing will change who will make the semi finals. Last year West Indies full of mercenaries did not even make super 12. We have to look at world T20 similar to World cup soccer. Let me give a few examples

2014 - Spain, Netherlands, Chile, Australia in the same group. Spain was a dominating force during that period. They lost 0-2 to Chile. THey lost to Netherlands. That's it. Tournament over for them.

2018 - Germany exited and finished 4th in a group that had South korea, Mexico, Sweden and exited.

One bad match against a minnow can ruin your chances. That is what happened to Pakistan. USA also troubled India.
They beat Canada convincingly. THey would have beaten Ireland too. Just because they got bulldozed by West Indian mercenaries and England you can't criticize them. These two teams can do the same to established nations. Remember Buttler absolutely massacred Australian bowling in 2021 world cup first round.
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Despite the mauling in the last two games they played brave and fighting cricket to qualify to the super 8's(y)
 
I still can't get over the fact that England have beaten Oman, Namibia, West Indies and USA, and reached the semi-final.
 
It is funny that England lost 2 games so far in this tournament and are the first team to qualify for the semis and SA who are yet to lose a game can be eliminated by just losing one. They have played 3 tough opponents so far and have lost 2 of them. SA on the other hand have beaten England, Srilanka & Bangladesh and still can be eliminated. I feel that head to head in case of two way tie followed by NRR if there is a 3 way tie is a better way than just relying on NRR.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I still can't get over the fact that England have beaten Oman, Namibia, West Indies and USA, and reached the semi-final.
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Yup they have thrashed the associate nations and have made it to the semis. I don't think they deserve to go through ahead of South Africa or even West Indies who have beaten Afghanistan and New Zealand.
 
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