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England defeat South Africa by 104 runs to begin World Cup campaign on a strong note

Pakhs said:
Ofcourse there is are you saying his WC 100 away from home doesnt count? or are you saying his 100 in all corners of earth doesnt count? compare to Dhoni who has got none? and just so you know none means zero outside Asia.
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Gilchrist opened for the best team in the world in over 280 games and has only 16 tons to his name, and more than half of those tons came against Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe. He underachieved big time with the bat. Someone with his ability should have scored at least 25+ hundreds.

Yes he did score a hundred in a World Cup final, but he failed badly in every semifinal (World Cup + Champions Trophy) but his team was good enough to carry him to the final on each occasions (except Champions Trophy 2004). That is the luxury that you get when you play for a team that is pretty much invincible.

I have no issues with people rating Gilchrist higher in ODIs because there are holes in Dhoni's career as well, but it is far from a lopsided comparison.
 
Excellent come back from Ngidi after the way he started the match
 
What a catch by Faf. That's how you lead by example.

Where is that guy who said South Africa look poor in the field ? Lol Pakistan would have dropped this catch and that Markham catch. :)))
 
Moeen's attitude is rubbish. No mentality whatsoever.

Looks like he wants to be home.
 
wow what fielding by SA...thats why i think we cant play Hasnain...Shaheen ..Haris and even fatty imad just for their abysmal fielding...
 
Damn it this shows why IPL is such a massive hoax this same moeen was smashing 50s for fun in IPL and even made kuldeep cry but look at him here but what a freaking catch the difference between fielding and what a diffencs it makes to the scoreboard are you watching pakistan
 
Ngidi is an express bowler but I'm loving this variation. Kind of appalled by his fitness though.
 
Bottling starts in the first match.

It will be an enormous roller coaster ride for those who think Eng can win this cup. :))
 
England will still score 300+ I don’t see South Africa chasing it unless my boy de kock goes off
 
Great change ups by South Africans. Bowlers have to be very very intelligent. You cannot dish out crap here.
 
Mean&Green said:
Damn it this shows why IPL is such a massive hoax this same moeen was smashing 50s for fun in IPL and even made kuldeep cry but look at him here but what a freaking catch the difference between fielding and what a diffencs it makes to the scoreboard are you watching pakistan
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IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket, but Moeen is still in T20 mode and doesn't seem too keen to get into ODI mode. The England management need to have a stern word with him or perhaps send him up the order to change the landscape.
 
Moren's batting since 2018 has been very ordinary . Unless there are left handed bats in opposition, I think England should go with Dawson at 7.
 
This South African line up is capable of chasing 310 or so. Should be a good game.
 
England will have to win every match and that too by 200 runs and 9 wickets to not be dubbed as chokers.
 
Hawkeye said:
Bottling starts in the first match.

It will be an enormous roller coaster ride for those who think Eng can win this cup. :))
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Been saying this for a while now. I wasn’t worried after our thrashing. No pressure in bilaterals. I expect this England side to choke in the semi final
 
Mamoon said:
IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket, but Moeen is still in T20 mode and doesn't seem too keen to get into ODI mode. The England management need to have a stern word with him or perhaps send him up the order to change the landscape.
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He got unlucky today
 
Mamoon said:
IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket, but Moeen is still in T20 mode and doesn't seem too keen to get into ODI mode. The England management need to have a stern word with him or perhaps send him up the order to change the landscape.
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Given that there were about eight overs left when he came in to bat, he was probably instructed to stay in T20 mode. There was nothing wrong with the approach; this is how England play and why they are the favourites to win this thing.
 
shows that slower balls is the key here with pace off the ball...kinda like what Amir did against the Afghanis in the warm up...
 
even if England get 50 off the last 5 overs, 310-315 would be the total. SA would be pretty happy.
 
Bilal7 said:
Given that there were about eight overs left when he came in to bat, he was probably instructed to stay in T20 mode. There was nothing wrong with the approach; this is how England play and why they are the favourites to win this thing.
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He has been reckless for a long while now. Needs to get himself in before playing his shots - he has the ability to accelerate. Stokes was on 13 in 20 at one point and now he is striking at 110. Moeen needs to show more patience up front and not come out swinging all the time.
 
Never seen this eng team batting this slow at death. What's the use of such batting depth if they can't take risks now.
 
Mamoon said:
IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket, but Moeen is still in T20 mode and doesn't seem too keen to get into ODI mode. The England management need to have a stern word with him or perhaps send him up the order to change the landscape.
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You can argue it is but it has some bowlers like dinda Jaydev unadkat aidharth kaul etc so you can’t judge player if he smashes these types of bowlers
 
Shoaib akhtar has said that this same Pakistan team will give a phainty to the England team in the world cup.
 
Mean&Green said:
Damn it this shows why IPL is such a massive hoax this same moeen was smashing 50s for fun in IPL and even made kuldeep cry but look at him here but what a freaking catch the difference between fielding and what a diffencs it makes to the scoreboard are you watching pakistan
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You are kidding right. Moeen Ali has played such type of innings even at the international. That is why he is even in their playing XI. What about Bairstow? He is a bad batsman too? So is Butler? Any time someone fail at international don't mean the bowling in international is so superior.
 
szundercover said:
Shoaib akhtar has said that this same Pakistan team will give a phainty to the England team in the world cup.
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I agree with him. England are going to crash and burn against Pakistan. I can see our spinners taking them down.
 
Mamoon said:
Gilchrist opened for the best team in the world in over 280 games and has only 16 tons to his name, and more than half of those tons came against Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe. He underachieved big time with the bat. Someone with his ability should have scored at least 25+ hundreds.

Yes he did score a hundred in a World Cup final, but he failed badly in every semifinal (World Cup + Champions Trophy) but his team was good enough to carry him to the final on each occasions (except Champions Trophy 2004). That is the luxury that you get when you play for a team that is pretty much invincible.

I have no issues with people rating Gilchrist higher in ODIs because there are holes in Dhoni's career as well, but it is far from a lopsided comparison.
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Dhoni has a clear weakness outside Asia thats when batting when the wickets are the flattest they have ever been. Gilchrist had no weakness
 
This is one element that is missing from Rabada. Lack of variation. I mean he has the variation. But he doesn't have the thinking of using them. Phelu is more intelligent on that aspect despite being a lesser bowler.
 
Guys what happened to "we will be first team to score 500" :)))


Even 350 is seeming impossible here. Lovely seeing these arrogant English getting smashed.
 
Mkumar825 said:
Of course but u guy don't even select proper spinners that's what England weak point.
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We have one world class spinner in shadab,you are right we should have selected one more but I think that 10 overs of quality leg spin will yield wickets which was missing from the the odi series.
 
Pakhs said:
Dhoni has a clear weakness outside Asia thats when batting when the wickets are the flattest they have ever been. Gilchrist had no weakness
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Gilchrist's weakness was his recklessness, which is why he frequently threw away good starts and didn't score nearly as many tons against good attacks as he should have.
 
Mamoon said:
England will have to win every match and that too by 200 runs and 9 wickets to not be dubbed as chokers.
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Their bowling is average so if their batting doesn't put 340+ then game is on for any decent side.
 
Bilal7 said:
I agree with him. England are going to crash and burn against Pakistan. I can see our spinners taking them down.
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What spinners lol we only have one who’s just recovered from a virus and we don’t even know how fit he is and the other one is darter who England already toyed with for fun I don’t see any of that happening shoaib is a very poor analyst so it’s not surprising to hear such rubbish from him
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This is one element that is missing from Rabada. Lack of variation. I mean he has the variation. But he doesn't have the thinking of using them. Phelu is more intelligent on that aspect despite being a lesser bowler.
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Rabada doesn't need to use variations like lesser bowlers do.
 
Bilal7 said:
Shadab, Imad, Hafeez, Malik and a little bit of Haris is more than enough spin.
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Disagree, Shadab is a work in progress and his leg break isn't as good as the likes of Tahir or the Rashids. Imad is not a wicket-taker against top ODI teams. Hafeez maybe if he chucks whilst Malik and Haris are part-time.

It was ridiculous to not groom a specialist spinner in the last two years.
 
Mean&Green said:
What spinners lol we only have one who’s just recovered from a virus and we don’t even know how fit he is and the other one is darter who England already toyed with for fun I don’t see any of that happening shoaib is a very poor analyst so it’s not surprising to hear such rubbish from him
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We'll see. The same teams played two years ago in the same country and we saw what happened.
 
Mean&Green said:
What spinners lol we only have one who’s just recovered from a virus and we don’t even know how fit he is and the other one is darter who England already toyed with for fun I don’t see any of that happening shoaib is a very poor analyst so it’s not surprising to hear such rubbish from him
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But the pressure will be on england in this world cup.There's a reason they are chokers of tornuaments in every sports.
 
Markhor said:
Disagree, Shadab is a work in progress and his leg break isn't as good as the likes of Tahir or the Rashids. Imad is not a wicket-taker against top ODI teams. Hafeez maybe if he chucks whilst Malik and Haris are part-time.

It was ridiculous to not groom a specialist spinner in the last two years.
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We will see how he goes in the world cup.
 
Difficult to read this one..... could go either way.
 
Just bowl the overs Phelu!

England are well behind a par score! They need 3 overs of 25 each!
 
Pakistani bowlers should take note of the variations used by south African bowlers,variations will be the key for bowlers in getting wickets.
 
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