England defeat South Africa by 104 runs to begin World Cup campaign on a strong note

[Ozymandiasza]

Do you and people in SA think SA can win the cup?

Lol, no. 1999 and 2015 was ours, but we blew it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pitching up NO Pitching wide NO Keep it short of a length around off stump YES

 

[Hasan123]

England have come back well into the game.

 

[sindhiboy]

ngidi has not been that bad

 

[Dr_Bassim]

How would you define a choke?

Choke means, you are about to win, and somehow you snatch defeat from jaws of the victory.

If you dont win the World Cup by not even qualifying for the final or get thrashed in the final, its not a choke.

It just means you arent good enough.

 

[cricketkashmir]

Because they have depth in their line up. If their batting stops at 7 like it is for India they will play conservatively too.

It is also about the mindset I believe, not only the depth. Of course the wicket in ODIs does help their style of play. They have channelized their thought process looking at the pitches in the modern game

 

[jnaveen1980]

I rate this guy Ngidi. Just that he doesn't get much out of the wicket. He has to rely on variation.

 

[Rana]

Uff Sangakara's posh accent!

 

[jnaveen1980]

It is also about the mindset I believe, not only the depth. Of course the wicket in ODIs does help their style of play. They have channelized their thought process looking at the pitches in the modern game

That is why they get bowled out for 113 on a slightly bouncier pitch like they did in Windies. They need a flat track very much like 2015 Australian team a certified flat pitch team.

 

[RehanG]

Starts are way to early, should’ve been day and night matches.

 

[Rana]

What is per today - 375? That Roy push is scary sight for bowlers ... any type. It's a road with outfield like racing tracks and boundaries are short.

England know that they need 400 to defend

 

[Hawkeye]

Choke means, you are about to win, and somehow you snatch defeat from jaws of the victory.

If you dont win the World Cup by not even qualifying for the final or get thrashed in the final, its not a choke.

It just means you arent good enough.

So, if someone is overwhelmingly favorite, has been winning non-stop leading into the cup, but don't win the cup or reach the final, that is not a choke and/or bottling?

If you think it's not, then it's ok, that's your opinion.

The hype England has, I'll call it bottling.

 

[Rana]

Starts are way to early, should’ve been day and night matches.

This is the home of cricket and Cricket is a day time game. Very happy with no day/night matches.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Ngidi has been awful

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

20 overs from Phelu, Prieo and Duminy will cost SA.

England will look to negotiate(for Eng negotiating is scoring at 6 rpo) Tahir, Rabada and Ngidi. Will go berserk in the remaining 20 overs. 370+ will easily be scored, unless Tahir does some wonders

 

[RehanG]

This is the home of cricket and Cricket is a day time game. Very happy with no day/night matches.

But to know early starts are to accommodate the broadcaster (star sports) for the Indian public.

Nothing to do with cricket is a day game.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

So, if someone is overwhelmingly favorite, has been winning non-stop leading into the cup, but don't win the cup or reach the final, that is not a choke and/or bottling?

If you think it's not, then it's ok, that's your opinion.

The hype England has, I'll call it bottling.

Fair enough.

Being a favorite does not give you guarantee of winning the event though.

So any favorite that doesnt win the Cup is a choker?

If you think that, its your opinion though.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Flat pitch lot of time to play pull shots.

 

[sindhiboy]

root batting beautifully

 

[Hawkeye]

Fair enough.

Being a favorite does not give you guarantee of winning the event though.

So any favorite that doesnt win the Cup is a choker?

If you think that, its your opinion though.

It's not just 'favorite' in this case, I think Eng is overwhelmingly favorites and hyped up a lot. Rightly, based on their performances.

But, under nerves and on the big stage, they will bottle it.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Now eng can milk the remaining bowlers

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ngidi is bowling slow. What happened to him. He was quick when i saw against India.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Pretty poor bowling lineup by the looks of it.

Ngidi, Phelukwayo and Pretorius all look ordinary.

Rabada isn't great in ODI cricket.

Only 1 genuine spin option, who is also not effective as he used to be.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

England should fancy 380 here.

 

[Hasan123]

Pretty poor bowling lineup by the looks of it.

Ngidi, Phelukwayo and Pretorius all look ordinary.

Rabada isn't great in ODI cricket.

Only 1 genuine spin option, who is also not effective as he used to be.

106 wickets in 67 isn't great . )

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

370 about right

 

[Hasan123]

England looking good for a big score. SA only hope is to get wickets.

 

[AdamM97]

Do you all think Imad should open our bowling attack with Amir?

Imad gets early wickets in T20 when he opens the bowling. Should he do the same in ODI? Obviously Tahir and Imad are different in many aspects but still.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Sa should have taken at least 2 wickets in the first 10. They already took one in the first over.

 

[Suleiman]

Roy arguably the best ODI opener in the world rn.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

106 wickets in 67 isn't great . )

You have pretty low standards for great bowlers.

Hasan Ali has 80 wickets in 47 and Mustafizur Rahman 83 in 45 matches. Yeah, yeah these are great bowlers.

 

[AdamM97]

Lol, no. 1999 and 2015 was ours, but we blew it.

2015? 2011 was ours! The drop catch of Sachin cost us the spot in final and India went on to win.

 

[Hasan123]

Root is so so good.

 

[Hasan123]

You have pretty low standards for great bowlers.

Hasan Ali has 80 wickets in 47 and Mustafizur Rahman 83 in 45 matches. Yeah, yeah these are great bowlers.

You have unrealistic expectations. Those guys have been poor for a while whilst Rabada is showing signs of improving.

 

[jnaveen1980]

SA think tank big time fail. They should have had a wide gully all the time for Jason Roy. Wicket taking fielding position for Roy.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Way too short by Rabada. This is not wanderers lol This is one of thoe home made patta )

 

[AdamM97]

You have unrealistic expectations. Those guys have been poor for a while whilst Rabada is showing signs of improving.

Subcontinent player gets way to much fame and they get carried away. Hassan was way better in 2017 but fame ruined him.

 

[jnaveen1980]

These kind of pitches will offer nothing for bowlers. They might as well use bowling machines.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

You have unrealistic expectations. Those guys have been poor for a while whilst Rabada is showing signs of improving.

What signs of improvement? It looks like only you can see fantasies, if at all he is regressing in white ball cricket.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Root is so so good.

Not better than Babar, look at roots strike rate. Lol

 

[NeVerMind]

These kind of pitches will offer nothing for bowlers. They might as well use bowling machines.

Exactly...makes a good batsmen into great one and good bowler into an awful one...where's the justice in that? Not everyone is Trent Boult...

 

[jnaveen1980]

You cannot survive in middle overs without spinners. SA has to bring Duminy on

 

[Hasan123]

Time to bring Tahir on or maybe try spin.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

You have pretty low standards for great bowlers.


Hasan Ali has 80 wickets in 47 and Mustafizur Rahman 83 in 45 matches. Yeah, yeah these are great bowlers.

If rabada Is Average Then I Think first you need to define The Definition For A great Fast Bowler In Modern Era.

 

[Gullycricket]

This ENG team is too good on these pitches.Phehlukwayo and Pretorius are total waste here

 

[Hasan123]

What signs of improvement? It looks like only you can see fantasies, if at all he is regressing in white ball cricket.

Yh in your opinion. Talking about regression, is Hasan Ali improving then ?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Andile will try some variation. Might get some wicket. But they must start having a gully for Roy.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bowling has to be unpredictable here to get a wicekt. Applicable for seamers.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Morris is an expensive bowler despite bowling at 90 mph.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Morris is an expensive bowler despite bowling at 90 mph.

Destructive bat and a decent fielder though.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The way i see it, slower bowlers are more restrictive.

 

[Mueez]

Has Phelu bhai brought some ‘ammi ki duaain’

 

[jnaveen1980]

Destructive bat and a decent fielder though.

But his batting has not been that good oflate. Atleast from what i saw in the IPL. Also his kind of erratic bowling will be a recipe for disaster against these guys. Andile is a decent choice if you ask me. He is clever.

 

[Mean&Green]

Makkram is an amazing player ten times better than miller I don’t know what pollock is on about that he shouldn’t have been picked I’ve seen this guy bat he’s dangerous as hell even kohli tweeted for him shows what he is

 

[Hasan123]

These medium paces won't so much on these pitches.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Makkram is an amazing player ten times better than miller I don’t know what pollock is on about that he shouldn’t have been picked I’ve seen this guy bat he’s dangerous as hell even kohli tweeted for him shows what he is

Miller is a fantastic finisher. But his problem is he is grossly out of form.

 

[jnaveen1980]

These medium paces won't so much on these pitches.

Infact no seamers have hope here. Only spinners will be effective on these dry surfaces. But they have to be a good spinner. Not random spinner. They will also go the distance otherwise.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Yh in your opinion. Talking about regression, is Hasan Ali improving then ?

Why people are thinking in One Dimension.
Dont You Think its not the bowlers who are regressing but pitches Are Generally more supportive toward Batting.
Even In Champion Trophy There Was Something for The bowlers .but Now you Have To wait For Decades to See Any Wickets

 

[Arsalan Pro]

If rabada Is Average Then I Think first you need to define The Definition For A great Fast Bowler In Modern Era.

Where did I say he is average?

Kagiso Rabada is one of the best Test bowlers currently, also is above average and a good bowler in white ball cricket, not a great or sensation.

I can name some bowlers who are better than him in terms of ability and performances in ODI cricket.

Trent Boult
Mitchell Starc
Jasprit Bumrah
Patrick Cummins
Jofra Archer has potential

 

[Ronaldo7]

Where are the people who were saying 350 won't be scored at the WC ??
Looking at the pitch even 375 is highly possible.

 

[Mean&Green]

Miller is a fantastic finisher. But his problem is he is grossly out of form.

Yeah been out of form forever and maarkeam only 24 already praised being an all time great kohli and he’s been amazing for South Africa opening rightly deserved to be picked over miller on these decks he’s as destructive as Roy

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yeah been out of form forever and maarkeam only 24 already praised being an all time great kohli and he’s been amazing for South Africa opening rightly deserved to be picked over miller on these decks he’s as destructive as Roy

He can be explosive at the top. He may even surprise himself against England. Oflate England bowling is getting hit around.

 

[hussain.r97]

South Africa missing a third genuine pacer, they need Steyn fit... Pretorius and Phehlukwayo won't get them anywhere.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Still missing Dale steyn was a big blow for them.

 

[Ronaldo7]

South Africa missing a third genuine pacer, they need Steyn fit... Pretorius and Phehlukwayo won't get them anywhere.

Steyn would get smashed on these pitches. He's not even that good anymore.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If i see green tinge in Australia or India matches we have to investigate. India had two green tinged pitches for practice games.

 

[Mean&Green]

He can be explosive at the top. He may even surprise himself against England. Oflate England bowling is getting hit around.

They haven’t been bowling to their full potential and have been trying things out you will see them bowling differently and better in the World Cup. Also please don’t tell me you don’t rate miller cause of IPL finishes.

 

[hussain.r97]

Steyn would get smashed on these pitches. He's not even that good anymore.

Would be more of a threat than these allrounders at least. In reality, South Africa need the players they lost to Kolpak back.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Yh in your opinion. Talking about regression, is Hasan Ali improving then ?

Maybe workload of playing all formats and bowling so many overs has got to him. He used to have greater skill with the new ball previously with a bit more pace on average, now looks nothing special. His death bowling is pretty good still.

Hasan Ali wasn't great to begin with.

 

[jnaveen1980]

They haven’t been bowling to their full potential and have been trying things out you will see them bowling differently and better in the World Cup. Also please don’t tell me you don’t rate miller cause of IPL finishes.

We played over in SA where he dind't look the same.

 

[Mean&Green]

If i see green tinge in Australia or India matches we have to investigate. India had two green tinged pitches for practice games.

I saw Azhar Ali’s interview today he’s been playing there for a while he’s saying the warm up pitches are the side pitches that have been used before the ones for the world cup matches are kept under cover and they don’t play on them that’s why teams scored less runs. He said those pitches had been overly used in the county cups and don’t make excuses already both teams play on the same pitch it’s not like only India will be playing alone

 

[Ahmed216]

SA pacers bowling styles are more suited to conditions in SA Aus and NZ.
They mostly bowl short of length and a bit wide with few length balls in between.
In england pitches are slower they need to be fuller and straighter,somthing Hasan and Juniad did very well in CT 17

 

[Alamgeer]

SA bowling way too much over rated. No real threat except Rabada. Everyone else trundling at 126 kph.

 

[Mean&Green]

Lol South African bowlers think this is South Africa where duaonne Olivier hits the deck hard and destroys a whole batting line up

 

[Bilal7]

This match has been boring after the first five overs.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I saw Azhar Ali’s interview today he’s been playing there for a while he’s saying the warm up pitches are the side pitches that have been used before the ones for the world cup matches are kept under cover and they don’t play on them that’s why teams scored less runs. He said those pitches had been overly used in the county cups and don’t make excuses already both teams play on the same pitch it’s not like only India will be playing alone

We cannot use the argument "same pitch for same". Why not England play on green pitches ? They will be utterly exposed like other teams. They can use green pitch as long as everybody else gets green pitch. England batting on flat pitch and others when they meet each other on green pitch is scheming.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Phelu strikes . Told you !! He is a canny bowler. He has variations that are subtle.

 

[Adnan_Ilyas]

Finally a wicket - that was getting boring!

 

[Ronaldo7]

One hack too many.

 

[hussain.r97]

Finally a wicket, I hope things get more interesting from here. Bring on Tahir I reckon.