England don't have a single tail-ender!

[Mean&Green]

The reason England’s batting is so different and explosive from other teams is that they literally have no tail enders. They all have genuine batsmen or we can say all rounders that bowl for them as well. Even with archers inclusion he’s still a very good lower order hitter. From Roy to Plunkett they all are good with the bat so if they needed 20 or 30 off 12 balls with one wicket in hand they could still do it with number 10 and 11 batting where else I don’t see any other team having that capability.

Discuss

 

[Itachi]

Let them face India in WC. Then make conclusion.

 

[Mean&Green]

Let them face India in WC. Then make conclusion.

You are really over confident about your bowling trust me bumrah and chahall are your only good bowlers shami has been bowling good but he keeps hitting the deck hard in newzeland and Australia the pitches weren’t flat he’s gonna get bashed he’s one dimensional like bhuvi also kuldeep has been found out and he has no heart when he gets smashed but I like Chahal he’s a true champion even when he gets smashed he doesn’t lose heart he’s mentally tough and gets the wicket where kuldeep was crying was Moeen Ali smashed him in an IPL game lol

 

[jnaveen1980]

DOwnside of having 11 batsmen is there will be a tendency for one batsman to leave it to the next one coming in. But i agree it allows them to play with freedom. Most important thing is most of them are in form. It doesn't mean you can't run through them. You can if the pitch offers a bit of bounce. Oshane Thomas completley bounced them out and skilttled them to 113 all out. When the pitch has extra bounce this England side cannot hack their way to a big total.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If you really want to blow away England include a couple of express bowlers in your side. Just mix up bouncers and yorkers.

 

[Mean&Green]

DOwnside of having 11 batsmen is there will be a tendency for one batsman to leave it to the next one coming in. But i agree it allows them to play with freedom. Most important thing is most of them are in form. It doesn't mean you can't run through them. You can if the pitch offers a bit of bounce. Oshane Thomas completley bounced them out and skilttled them to 113 all out. When the pitch has extra bounce this England side cannot hack their way to a big total.

I don’t think this has happened more than once and they are at home now ball won’t start bouncing like that or moving oshane thomas will get spanked here and England have thought out this World Cup very well and are very sure of their plans this time around I don’t see any team dismissing them like this even in the semi finals champions trophy we got really lucky those pitches were dirty and overly used hence it started swinging but it won’t be this time around cause champions trophy only three grounds were used

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don’t think this has happened more than once and they are at home now ball won’t start bouncing like that or moving oshane thomas will get spanked here and England have thought out this World Cup very well and are very sure of their plans this time around I don’t see any team dismissing them like this even in the semi finals champions trophy we got really lucky those pitches were dirty and overly used hence it started swinging but it won’t be this time around cause champions trophy only three grounds were used

Another way of running through them is drying up the runs against the batsmen that are at the crease. Wish Bumrah had played in England. But when he played in India, in one of the T20 match Root and Butler were batting needing 27 to win in 3 overs. India gave just 20 runs in the 3 overs. Bumrah bowled two of the overs.


http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4001/presenting-death-over-specialist-bumrah

 

[Mean&Green]

Another way of running through them is drying up the runs against the batsmen that are at the crease. Wish Bumrah had played in England. But when he played in India, in one of the T20 match Root and Butler were batting needing 27 to win in 3 overs. India gave just 20 runs in the 3 overs. Bumrah bowled two of the overs.


http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4001/presenting-death-over-specialist-bumrah

That’s the whole point they aren’t playing in India and bumrah is just one a kind honestly like micheal holding said he’s gonna be their main asset if India are to win the World Cup mind you root is a not suitable for t20 cricket and in this game bumrah bowled the last over which is why India won against Australia he bowled the penultimate over in the last two t20s and India lost that’s why I say no matter what even if the opposition needs 3 runs he can defend it in the last over he has to bowl that over it’s all gonna depend on kohlis captaincy or I should say dhoni cause tbh he’s still the ghost captain

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You are really over confident about your bowling trust me bumrah and chahall are your only good bowlers shami has been bowling good but he keeps hitting the deck hard in newzeland and Australia the pitches weren’t flat he’s gonna get bashed he’s one dimensional like bhuvi also kuldeep has been found out and he has no heart when he gets smashed but I like Chahal he’s a true champion even when he gets smashed he doesn’t lose heart he’s mentally tough and gets the wicket where kuldeep was crying was Moeen Ali smashed him in an IPL game lol

Agree with u.
According to me Shami is like hassan, he takes wickets but also gets tonked quite frequently.
Bumrah is the only one who is consistent and he seldom gets tonked.
Its difficult to guess how spin twins will perform.
We are a good bowling side but nowhere near invincible, we"ll surely concede 300+ atleast thrice.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Mark wood is the only tailender.
Jofra
Woakes
Curran
Adil rashid
Now this is a fabulos tail.
Compare this to our team's tail:
Chahal
Kuli
Shami
Bumrah.
Eng is way ahead in batting power.

 

[Hyperion66]

You are really over confident about your bowling trust me bumrah and chahall are your only good bowlers shami has been bowling good but he keeps hitting the deck hard in newzeland and Australia the pitches weren’t flat he’s gonna get bashed he’s one dimensional like bhuvi also kuldeep has been found out and he has no heart when he gets smashed but I like Chahal he’s a true champion even when he gets smashed he doesn’t lose heart he’s mentally tough and gets the wicket where kuldeep was crying was Moeen Ali smashed him in an IPL game lol

I don't understand what is there to be found out in a classical wrist spinner? Kuldeep along with Rashid Khan is the best loi spinner in the world. What happened in IPL is already past and forgotten, stupidity to judge a player's form through league match performances.

 

[Mean&Green]

I don't understand what is there to be found out in a classical wrist spinner? Kuldeep along with Rashid Khan is the best loi spinner in the world. What happened in IPL is already past and forgotten, stupidity to judge a player's form through league match performances.

He got smashed in the Australian odi series as well

 

[Robert]

So it looks like...

Bairstow
Roy
Root
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes or Curran
Archer
Rashid
Wood

 

[IAJ]

Just like you have different days for working out different body parts you should have a few days where you also focus on you weaknesses. Seems like Poms focus on all departments.

Our bowlers are only working on bowling, even that doesn’t seem to work.

 

[Captain caveman]

So it looks like...

Bairstow
Roy
Root
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes or Curran
Archer
Rashid
Wood

A very strong team, possible world cup winning team.

2 points:
1. Would wiley not deserve a place in the team ? Possibly instead of woakes, curran or wood.
2. If we have a heat wave and the pitches become dry and cracked i.e. inducive to spin, how well can this batting line play top quality spin?

 

[Robert]

A very strong team, possible world cup winning team.

2 points:
1. Would wiley not deserve a place in the team ? Possibly instead of woakes, curran or wood.
2. If we have a heat wave and the pitches become dry and cracked i.e. inducive to spin, how well can this batting line play top quality spin?

1. I think Curran is the better death bowler, while Woakes is the better opening bowler.

2. Pitches tend to crack up on days 4 and 5 in tests in August, not in May, so I don’t think this will be an issue in English ODIs in early summer.

 

[Captain caveman]

1. I think Curran is the better death bowler, while Woakes is the better opening bowler.

2. Pitches tend to crack up on days 4 and 5 in tests in August, not in May, so I don’t think this will be an issue in English ODIs in early summer.

But wiley can bowl as a opening bowler and death bowler. So is he not more versatile than woakes and curran?
Also, world cup runs to mid july and if the weather is similar to last year we should see a heat wave during that petiod.
Just to clarify i am reering to the world cup matches and not this 5th odi.

 

[Captain caveman]

*refering

 

[HitWicket]

So it looks like...

Bairstow
Roy
Root
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes or Curran
Archer
Rashid
Wood

I still think it's Wood or Curran (and I'd lean towards the latter), not Woakes or Curran

 

[MMHS]

Really frightening line-up - there is a difference between great batting line up & frightening line-up.

Their depth is envious and their top order knows how to capitalise on that depth - try to keep nose well a head of asking always. Only way to counter them is probably to get regular wickets in middle overs with quality spin attack.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Amazing lineup. I think this is their year, they should win the World Cup. Its coming home.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

I really hope they win the world cup this time around.Definitely the best team without a shadow of doubt.

 

[Itachi]

Remind me. How many times England had an all round team and how many times they have won?

 

[Robert]

I still think it's Wood or Curran (and I'd lean towards the latter), not Woakes or Curran

Wood adds a cutting edge on flat pitches though. He is quite capable of knocking the top order over.

 

[Mean&Green]

Remind me. How many times England had an all round team and how many times they have won?

They have never had a batting line up like this ever and no team in the world has had a destructive batting line up as this

 

[Itachi]

They have never had a batting line up like this ever and no team in the world has had a destructive batting line up as this

you think 1992 World cup eng team was a joke? still they failed.

 

[Mean&Green]

you think 1992 World cup eng team was a joke? still they failed.

How is getting to a World Cup final a failure idk what your definition of failure is.

 

[Itachi]

How is getting to a World Cup final a failure idk what your definition of failure is.

it's the win that only counts. When you are talking about world cup, what every one asks is, how many times An X team won.

No one asks how many times an X team went to the finals.

 

[Mean&Green]

it's the win that only counts. When you are talking about world cup, what every one asks is, how many times An X team won.

No one asks how many times an X team went to the finals.

Anyways you’re drifting from the topic this isn’t 1992, were in 2019 and England is the number one ranked side in the world.They don’t even have a tail-ender in their batting line up is the topic of this thread and they will be playing this World Cup in their own backyard .

 

[Itachi]

Anyways you’re drifting from the topic this isn’t 1992, were in 2019 and England is the number one ranked side in the world.They don’t even have a tail-ender in their batting line up is the topic of this thread and they will be playing this World Cup in their own backyard .

India is a different beast in ICC tournament than bi laterals. Let England face us once in wc.

The heros(?) as you call it, will be fallen.

 

[Robert]

you think 1992 World cup eng team was a joke? still they failed.

I think they just ran out of gas at the end of a long tour - seven of them carried injuries into the final. SA would have knocked them out in the semi but for Duckbill Platypus.

 

[shaz619]

I think they just ran out of gas at the end of a long tour - seven of them carried injuries into the final. SA would have knocked them out in the semi but for Duckbill Platypus.

They could have been the best all time Eng ODI XI and they still wouldn't have survived Wasim Akram on that night in Melbourne

 

[Robert]

They have never had a batting line up like this ever and no team in the world has had a destructive batting line up as this

I think Gooch, Botham, Stewart, Smith, Fairbrother and Lamb were as good as the modern crew, and better on challenging pitches.

 

[Mean&Green]

India is a different beast in ICC tournament than bi laterals. Let England face us once in wc.

The heros(?) as you call it, will be fallen.

Ok but win from South Africa first maybe than we’ll talk

 

[Robert]

They could have been the best all time Eng ODI XI and they still wouldn't have survived Wasim Akram on that night in Melbourne

Wasim only got three wickets. It was an excellent team bowling performance by Pakistan.

 

[Itachi]

Ok but win from South Africa first maybe than we’ll talk

we have already beaten them in wc. I am not sure what your point is.

 

[Itachi]

I think Gooch, Botham, Stewart, Smith, Fairbrother and Lamb were as good as the modern crew, and better on challenging pitches.

that one was a tough team. Full of great players.

 

[shaz72]

Let them face India in WC. Then make conclusion.

I agree with you. If you are facing rubbish not even a school boy level bowling of Pakistan cricket team every Tom, Dick and Harry looks Lara & Sobers. Come half a decent bowlers from other countries these batsmen will be exposed big time.

 

[Mean&Green]

we have already beaten them in wc. I am not sure what your point is.

Beaten them so they beat you in 2011 lol what im saying is England game is a long way first concentrate on the saf game ur so over confident this over confidence got you in the ct finals too

 

[Robert]

that one was a tough team. Full of great players.

Still lacking a bit in the bowling though - DeFreitas, Pringle, Lewis, Botham and Illingworth was workmanlike rather than incisive.

 

[Itachi]

Beaten them so they beat you in 2011 lol what im saying is England game is a long way first concentrate on the saf game ur so over confident this over confidence got you in the ct finals too

.... And calling this England team better than even 1992 one isn't over confidence?

 

[jnaveen1980]

We all sing songs about England. lol They are going to lose to Bangladesh and shock us.

 

[Mamoon]

Moeen tries hard to be one.

 

[Itachi]

It is all good Hope all the jinxing works

I am still waiting for snak3ye3. That dude is our lucky charm.

 

[Mean&Green]

[MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] there you since you were getting overly excited

 

[Itachi]

You are talking about other stuff the fact is they don’t have a tail ender. [MENTION=140806]jnaveen1980[/MENTION] who would you rather have batting bumrah or chahal or Willey and Curran like even you know that bumrah and chahal wouldn’t be able to chase 6 off the last over that’s how bad they are with the bat I wasn’t comparing any teams in this thread or the tail but you made me by bringing India into this thread for no reason

The reason England’s batting is so different and explosive from other teams is that they literally have no tail enders. They all have genuine batsmen or we can say all rounders that bowl for them as well. Even with archers inclusion he’s still a very good lower order hitter. From Roy to Plunkett they all are good with the bat so if they needed 20 or 30 off 12 balls with one wicket in hand they could still do it with number 10 and 11 batting where else I don’t see any other team having that capability.

Discuss

you are the one who asked to bring other teams.

 

[Itachi]

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[MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] there you since you were getting overly excited

yup AFG in second. they should make it to the finals atleast in 2019 WC.

 

[Ronaldo7]

yup AFG in second. they should make it to the finals atleast in 2019 WC.

Look at the teams they've played against.
No need to get salty.

 

[saeed5646]

yup AFG in second. they should make it to the finals atleast in 2019 WC.

they are in worldcup this is why they are listed there so need to be that naive .They are capable of upsetting any top side recently they tie the game against you guys and almost beat us in asia cup .

 

[Mean&Green]

yup AFG in second. they should make it to the finals atleast in 2019 WC.

If you take out afg India are still at the bottom just above Sri Lanka and the above quote I am completely right where I say no other team has that capability so you are saying India’s tail has that capability ok buddy if you wanna live in lala land than I can’t really argue with you.

 

[Itachi]

If you take out afg India are still at the bottom just above Sri Lanka and the above quote I am completely right where I say no other team has that capability so you are saying India’s tail has that capability ok buddy if you wanna live in lala land than I can’t really argue with you.

Afghanistan second on the list..... thats how stats mislead pictures.

 

[Mean&Green]

Afghanistan second on the list..... thats how stats mislead pictures.

They have rashid khan in their tail and gulbadin naib they both can hit the ball anywhere in the ground and Uve seen rashid bat he’s better than bhuvi shami bumrah and chahal and kuldeep damn buddy good luck half your team is tail Enders

 

[Itachi]

They have rashid khan in their tail and gulbadin naib they both can hit the ball anywhere in the ground and Uve seen rashid bat he’s better than bhuvi shami bumrah and chahal and kuldeep damn buddy good luck half your team is tail Enders

i will still choose bumrah, shami, kuldeep than rashid, naib.... i want bowlers who knows how to take wickets unlike another team which makes average team look super human.

 

[blackanhyellow]

The crazy thing is the batsmen who also bowl aren't completely useless.

Give this team a batting track they may give away 400 runs against good batting sides but they'll also chase it down.

 

[Indiafan]

Looked like a middle order collapse yet team scored 350. OP is correct

 

[Gabbar Singh]

England’s number 11 today averages over 20 in almost 90 odis and has 10 x first class centuries. Their number 10 is averaging almost 40 in his short odi career. Remarkable stuff.

 

[Mean&Green]

England’s number 11 today averages over 20 in almost 90 odis and has 10 x first class centuries. Their number 10 is averaging almost 40 in his short odi career. Remarkable stuff.

Yet mr itachi thinks bumrah and chahal are better than Curran and willey

 

[The Viper]

Curran absolutely smashed Pakistan's bowlers. Insane depth that England possess.

 

[troodon]

Indian tail is the absolute worst. We cannot expect them to score 20 runs out together from the last 4 of India.

Chahal, Bumrah, Kuldeep and BK/Shami are atrocious with the bat. India cannot have a tail like that when the middle order consists of Dhoni, Jadhav and Karthik.

Basically Indian tail starts from No.5. Tom Curran would be a middle order batsman had he played for India. Adil Rashid would have been india’s No.7

It will be a major disappointment if England does not win it all.

 

[troodon]

To think Sam Curran is not even featured in a England’s ODI setup shows the insane depth of England.

Sam Curran would have been india’s No.6 playing easily in place of Jadhav.

Please England, if you do not want Sam Curran, india will gladly take him. He will walk into the Indian team eyes closed.

 

[Smbhayi]

Yet mr itachi thinks bumrah and chahal are better than Curran and willey

they are actually better than Curran and Willey.. Curran and Willey might scores 20 runs more but also gives 40 more runs..

 

[Mean&Green]

they are actually better than Curran and Willey.. Curran and Willey might scores 20 runs more but also gives 40 more runs..

Lol chahal will give go at an Economy of 8 on these pitches trust

 

[Hasan123]

Their batting depth allows the top order to play the way they do . They know they can play freely knowing the tail can adjust their game accordingly to the situation of the match.

 

[Smbhayi]

Lol chahal will give go at an Economy of 8 on these pitches trust

he won't and he'll be successful against England.. They can't play the darter and they'll play well against who can actually turn the ball... England is not gonna reach KO stage..

 

[Tubs]

Can Wood bat too? I know everyone else can. If so, bloody hell.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Can Wood bat too? I know everyone else can. If so, bloody hell.

Wood can't bat

 

[WC-Passion]

It's coming home! Finally (I hope). But I guess we change the sport in the song from Football to Cricket.

 

[Itachi]

Its the tail of a ship which gives it a direction. No tail, no direction.

Animals use their tail to shoo away insects.

Tail isn't a bad aspect. It just have to be best in what it should primarily do.

 

[HitWicket]

Wood can't bat

Bit harsh, he's quite capable with the bat. Not quite a bowling all-rounder but he has a quality test 50 under pressure to his name and a solid technique.

 

[Mueez]

This English team is crazy - heavy favorites for WC.

Would be surprised if they don’t win it this year.

 

[shah_1]

Does England really have strong batting depth


Moeen bats at 7 and this is his stats since 2018.

 

[PakWarrior]

Much better than ours.

 

[Amjid Javed]

England do have batting strength and depth, you dont chase and win all ODIs at home chasing over 4 year period if you dont have decent batting. Moeen is just out of form.

 

[shane]

Their batting is a powerhouse. Their bowling is weak.

 

[Syed1]

Still waiting for the 11 imported batsmen of England to score 500 :

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Well actually Pakistan Has The 2nd best Tailenders after England