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England Lions defeat Pakistan A by 5 wickets in 1st Unofficial OD

We are really lack of explosive openers. Every test nation apart from Zimbabwe and some associate has much better openers than us.
 
Has anyone even seen the pitch?

Maybe it's swinging miles.
 
Shafi said:
We are really lack of explosive openers. Every test nation apart from Zimbabwe and some associate has much better openers than us.
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Fakhar is suppose to be the explosive one. Been hearing his name for 2 years now smashing domestic bowlers. Put him in front of foreign bowlers and he forgot how to hold a bat. But I still back him to be put into the intl team because we lack better options.

**** poor stuff this, doing things in the same vein as the senior side, no surprise. How can you expect the lower sides to dominate LOIs when the senior side can't?
 
Also what is the thought process behind filling the entire batting line up with left handers? Do our dim selectors ever think about strategy or what? Either we can't find a left handed batsmen and load our international teams with right handers exclusively. And now we are playing a team full of lefties so if a certain type spinner comes along he will have a field day.
 
why are pakistan playing with 9 batsman , bowling looks week should have played mohammad abbas as well as zohaib khan in place of abid ali or umar siddiq
 
Another one gone.

Nawaz out.

Pakistan are really feeling it.
 
We will be minnows within a decade. in LOIs, we are minnows already. Tests to follow.
 
Just noticed Umar Siddiqui has some very impressive domestic stats, good to see him get international exposure.
 
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Need to get 250. Fawad & Siddiq key.
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Hope Siddiq gets a good game... pak need to develop players who can score centuries... Siddiq though avg 52 in LIST-A scored only 2 hundreds...same goes with haris sohail of LIST-A avg at around good 45 without any centuries.... and same he is doing in ODIs, cant score centuries... same goes with shafiq and shehzad,,, im only looking forward to Babar azam as this guy have scored 7 centuries in LIST-A played only 56 matches..and also sami aslam with 5 centuries///
 
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] I watched a little of Fakhar in a T20 game, was not impressed. Heavily favours the legside and nearly every shot was forced.
 
Siddiq out... this is what i just said before... the pak domestic is of kenya and namibia std but the fans expect them to play like australia when selected for int'l....
 
Pakistani batsmen don't have potential to stay at the crease even in "A" team.

Classy Siddiq is out.

105/5 in 28.4 overs.

Slow and losing wickets regularly.
 
ChachaCricket said:
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] I watched a little of Fakhar in a T20 game, was not impressed. Heavily favours the legside and nearly every shot was forced.
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PSL will unmask all the special talents scoring heavily in domestics will be seen as either hacks or hoicks..the real talents will also be noted and up for selection..
 
Pakistan A getting owned at the moment. The only ray of hope is Fawad Alam in that batting line-up...
 
It's pretty ominous if the only ray of hope batsmen is a certain "Fawad" who was miserable the last time he played an ODI for Pakistan.
 
Pakcricket89 said:
Fawad has very decent ODI record and he still deserves to be in the team
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One dimensional batsmen who will always struggle if the opposition team is not Sri Lanka, Afghanistan or some other subcontinental team.

It took Australia one ODI to find out his favorite areas and block them.

How much hope does he have against NZ, SA and other better fielding sides?
 
Pakistan A has 5 players with international experience, England 2.

Sadaf Hussain of England finally gets a chance to represent england.

248 wickets at 24
 
Dr_Bassim said:
One dimensional batsmen who will always struggle if the opposition team is not Sri Lanka, Afghanistan or some other subcontinental team.

It took Australia one ODI to find out his favorite areas and block them.

How much hope does he have against NZ, SA and other better fielding sides?
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Anyone can have 2 bad ODIs like he did against Aus. Fawad has performed decently in Aus (I remember him scoring a 60 ought) and in England where he scored decently

YEs he is one dimensional but way more consistent than some clowns like Maqsood. He needs to bat in top 4 and he can contribute.
 
Interested in observing Faheem's performance. He is one of the rare fast bowling ARs in Pakistan
 
Meanwhile Pakistan have crashed to 139-7.

Nothing new.

Boys can't play spin, or fast bowling or whatever.
 
BTW Anyone can tell us in detail about ICCA Dubai ground

Why dont PCB use it for PSL or why not MCL?
 
8th down.

Pakistan "A" now 165-8 in 42 overs and serious danger of being bowled out before 50 overs.
 
And Fawad is out, off the short-pitched ball, as usual.

176-9 Pakistan "A".

Are we even gonna bat the next 05 overs out?
 
Cleaned up for 192.

Meh.

And this is supposed to be our second best team.
 
Hard to believe after seeing the performance of our main team, A team that we play test. A team full of hacks
 
Our cricket is heading towards Kenya's way!!! If we play like this soon we loose ODI status in near future and after Misbah and Yk's retirement we will drop down to 8-9 in test as well.
 
ehsan tundler adil taken to the cleaners , ecconomy of 9 :)))
 
Lol 5 overs 35-0 England Lions.

Surely, our "A" team isn't that bad is it?
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Lol 5 overs 35-0 England Lions.

Surely, our "A" team isn't that bad is it?
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England Lions are just so much better and on another level. The ECB have an intricate system where they groom their talent at the grass root level for the international stage and their plans are structured through the Lions team, at the academy each facet of the game is given a great deal of focus, each individual performer in the Lions team has a specific diet/training plan and individual based training when it comes to technique or fitness. However it's not just the Lions team who have the luxury of these services but also the womens team, the U-19 teams and the MCCU team; members of the Lions squad would have come through one of these channels having been groomed/developed from an early stage.

With Pakistan A, raw talent itself is not always going to be enough.
 
bilal asif and fahim ashraf looking to pull thnigs back.
 
shaz619 said:
England Lions are just so much better and on another level. The ECB have an intricate system where they groom their talent at the grass root level for the international stage and their plans are structured through the Lions team, at the academy each facet of the game is given a great deal of focus, each individual performer in the Lions team has a specific diet/training plan and individual based training when it comes to technique or fitness. However it's not just the Lions team who have the luxury of these services but also the womens team, the U-19 teams and the MCCU team; members of the Lions squad would have come through one of these channels having been groomed/developed from an early stage.

With Pakistan A, raw talent itself is not always going to be enough.
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Yeah right!!!! Send them to India, Sl or even BD they will struggle to score even 180. They can not play spin at all.
 
Shafi said:
Yeah right!!!! Send them to India, Sl or even BD they will struggle to score even 180. They can not play spin at all.
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The point still stands, the ECB do a better job then the PCB when it comes to developing their talent. England fought well the last time they were in the UAE and have also won in india while drawing a series in SL. They are not perfect and conditions overseas are something which every international team will struggle to cope with but they have something which the PCB do not, and that is a structure and direction in terms of where they want to go and the areas they need to improve on. The Lions are not the complete team, it's a developmental talent pool where future internationals will be scouted from.
 
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Pathetic batting effort from our batsmen, just goes to show we dont have the talent interms of back up when it comes to LOI cricket :facepalm: Lions will hammer us from here onwards.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Pathetic batting effort from our batsmen, just goes to show we dont have the talent interms of back up when it comes to LOI cricket :facepalm: Lions will hammer us from here onwards.
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I guess this is the reason we see likes of Asad shafiq selected again n again
 
Amjid Javed said:
Pathetic batting effort from our batsmen, just goes to show we dont have the talent interms of back up when it comes to LOI cricket :facepalm: Lions will hammer us from here onwards.
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Not enough effort is being made to invest in talent at the grass root level and groom them for international cricket
 
I take this as a positive.

Had we lost by '10 wickets' it would be terrible.

At least we picked up two wickets.
 
England Lions are well ahead of Pakistan-A. I don't expect A-team to win this series.
 
No matter how many matches they lose, still pak selectors are stubborn to get the right players selected...
 
ask_analyse_act said:
No matter how many matches they lose, still pak selectors are stubborn to get the right players selected...
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Umar Siddiq Khan and Fawad Alam had first class averages of 50.

What else could you want?

What should they do?

Pick the team you want?
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Umar Siddiq Khan and Fawad Alam had first class averages of 50.

What else could you want?

What should they do?

Pick the team you want?
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But my comment was in general for both A TEAM and the national team....no good bowlers, allrounders... this is not a team where the players are on the fringes of international call up or recall, Captain AMIN got injured and withdrawn from the series who is the main player in the middle order and was replaced by a player who cannot play in the main 11 and an opener.....
 
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ask_analyse_act said:
Hope Siddiq gets a good game... pak need to develop players who can score centuries... Siddiq though avg 52 in LIST-A scored only 2 hundreds...same goes with haris sohail of LIST-A avg at around good 45 without any centuries.... and same he is doing in ODIs, cant score centuries... same goes with shafiq and shehzad,,, im only looking forward to Babar azam as this guy have scored 7 centuries in LIST-A played only 56 matches..and also sami aslam with 5 centuries///
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I hope you do understand the flaw with your statement. For a player averaging 50, if he scores 100 in an inning, he has to get a 0 in another to balance out the sheet. In contrast, a player who scores 50 in an inning has to score 50 in another to keep averaging 50. I'll take Haris Sohail who has consistent 40+ scores and averages 40+ over the likes of Hafeez and Shahzad, who inflate their averages by scoring centuries against minnows, and failing when needed. To an average cricket fan, centuries and five wicket hauls may seem attractive, but those who have even basic understanding of how numbers work, these achievements are detrimental to progress in a team sport.

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Dr_Bassim said:
One dimensional batsmen who will always struggle if the opposition team is not Sri Lanka, Afghanistan or some other subcontinental team.

It took Australia one ODI to find out his favorite areas and block them.

How much hope does he have against NZ, SA and other better fielding sides?
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One dimensional: yes. Will struggle against other teams? Not sure. Please prove your statement based on objective facts, as from what I remember, he averages decently in England and Australia. The last time he failed was actually in subcontinental conditions, so I can't gather the premise of your argument.

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James Vince is a great LOI talent, iirc has decent FC stats as well.

Glad KK got him in the PSL draft.
 
DEcent performance with ball by Fahim, Lets hope he does well with bat in next games

Nawaz also needs to perform with bat, his bowling has been OK in A-matches
 
asfandyar said:
I hope you do understand the flaw with your statement. For a player averaging 50, if he scores 100 in an inning, he has to get a 0 in another to balance out the sheet. In contrast, a player who scores 50 in an inning has to score 50 in another to keep averaging 50. I'll take Haris Sohail who has consistent 40+ scores and averages 40+ over the likes of Hafeez and Shahzad, who inflate their averages by scoring centuries against minnows, and failing when needed. To an average cricket fan, centuries and five wicket hauls may seem attractive, but those who have even basic understanding of how numbers work, these achievements are detrimental to progress in a team sport.

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50s and 40s are not winning matches these days,,,, these guys need to bat 100 balls or score 105 runs atleast to win a match... cricket has evolved from what it was before... there is also a thread on teams how many centuries hit in a year...pak at the bottom and thats why ranked 9th... no emphasize on scoring centuries...as u say u will take haris sohail for his consistent 40s, if he is pak best batsman then he needs to develop the art scoring centuries in LOIs......
 
ask_analyse_act said:
50s and 40s are not winning matches these days,,,, these guys need to bat 100 balls or score 105 runs atleast to win a match... cricket has evolved from what it was before... there is also a thread on teams how many centuries hit in a year...pak at the bottom and thats why ranked 9th... no emphasize on scoring centuries...as u say u will take haris sohail for his consistent 40s, if he is pak best batsman then he needs to develop the art scoring centuries in LOIs......
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I am not undermining the importance of centuries. I was basically stating the flaw in your assumption that scoring centuries on its own can win you matches, by stating basic mathematics. Centuries are paramount to posting a big totals. However, if you closely observe (on Statsguru) the top countries in the list of 100s scored, you will notice that the players responsible for them also consistently average 30+ in matches where they do not score a century.

This implies that big scores AND consistency are required to make it big. 100s on their own cannot guarantee you a better place in the rankings tables. You need to score consistently too, something Haris has been an epitome of in recent times. Yes Haris needs to score 100s too, and No I do not believe that it is appropriate to select Khalid Latif over him.
 
asfandyar said:
I am not undermining the importance of centuries. I was basically stating the flaw in your assumption that scoring centuries on its own can win you matches, by stating basic mathematics. Centuries are paramount to posting a big totals. However, if you closely observe (on Statsguru) the top countries in the list of 100s scored, you will notice that the players responsible for them also consistently average 30+ in matches where they do not score a century.

This implies that big scores AND consistency are required to make it big. 100s on their own cannot guarantee you a better place in the rankings tables. You need to score consistently too, something Haris has been an epitome of in recent times. Yes Haris needs to score 100s too, and No I do not believe that it is appropriate to select Khalid Latif over him.
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In the recent past, all the batsmen who come from the domestics only fawad alam and azhar ali have made centuries...Shehzad's last ODI ton was when they toured SA or in the ASIA CUP... and azhar ali's centuries are against bangladesh and zimbos...they are all happy with their 50s and 40s and thus avg 40+ or 50+
 
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