England seamers apart from Stuart Broad and James Anderson

[hur rizvi]

Well In my opinion England seamers apart from Anderson and Broad are plain garbage, Plunkett and Stokes are no test class bowlers, Where the hell is Finn?

 

[Kianig89]

Yes ENg are big time to find some decent talent heck they benched their decent bowlers for too long likes of Onions Tremlett

 

[hur rizvi]

Yes ENg are big time to find some decent talent heck they benched their decent bowlers for too long likes of Onions Tremlett

Even Anderson and Broad are good but inconsistent bowlers and depend on conditions

 

[hur rizvi]

Jordon is another one, looks a substandard bowler to me

 

[Bilal7]

Very mediocre without those two. Not having any spinners either makes me shudder at what would happen if Broad and Anderson have an injury or are suspended.

 

[Mamoon]

Plunkett has been a very Pakistani selection. This guy toured us in 2005 and was pretty average back then as well.

 

[Bilal7]

Plunkett has been a very Pakistani selection. This guy toured us in 2005 and was pretty average back then as well.

Performed well at the domestic scene, apparently and got selected. Sadaf Hussein has been rotting htere for some time now while guys like Bhatti are given test caps.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's like asking how would Pakistan seamers look without Amir and Asif. We all know the answer.

 

[hur rizvi]

It's like asking how would Pakistan seamers look without Amir and Asif. We all know the answer.

They still arent as bad as Stokes and Plunkett

 

[Kianig89]

Yup the cupboard is empty no quality pacer coming through time to send some scouts to Jo'burg

 

[Robert]

Plunkett got nine wickets in the match just two tests ago. Unfortunately Cook is using him in the same negative way that Nasser used Flintoff, so his effectiveness is being blunted.

Stokes has a ton of potential and will be a very good test match all-rounder. He already has a 5fer against the Aussies.

 

[hur rizvi]

Finn was in the nets with ENG before the match.

Two matches ago, Plunkett got nine in the match on a flat deck against SL. He's a good bowler but Cook is not using him very intelligently, in this bang-in role - it's how Nasser used to use Flintoff.

Stokes has a ton of ability in my view. He's going to be a fine test match all-rounder.

I can guarantee you Plunkett will remain garbage, He was a PAthetic bowler when he debuted in Pakistan in 2005 and even now he doesnt have any special ability...

Stokes has potential that i agree with you but at present not good enough as a 3rd seamer

 

[Robert]

I can guarantee you Plunkett will remain garbage, He was a PAthetic bowler when he debuted in Pakistan in 2005 and even now he doesnt have any special ability...

Stokes has potential that i agree with you but at present not good enough as a 3rd seamer

I don't like to refer to people as garbage. That's a bit disrespectful, don't you think? If he is that bad then how did he get nine wickets against SL on a flat wicket?

 

[MRSN]

Has Plunkett performed good in the domestic seasons or England just don't have any other better bowling options?

 

[hur rizvi]

I don't like to refer to people as garbage. That's a bit disrespectful, don't you think? If he is that bad then how did he get nine wickets against SL on a flat wicket?

Garbage as a bowler/Player, I dont know how this is disrespectful ??

Anybody can perform in one-off match, it is just my personal opinion after seeing him right through his career, that guy posesses no spark as a fast bowler, laboured action, doesnt posess any skill and lacks common sense of bowling, Pretty much a slower version of M. Sami ..

And despite that 9 wickets what is he averaging since his comeback?? A wonderful 37

 

[Buffet]

Eng should thank their lucky stars that they won the toss and got a super green pitch to bowl at India. Bowling is looking light here and I never understood why you will bowl leg stump line on such a green pitch. Cook even had 6 fielders on boundary against Shami, a number 10 batsmen, lol. It is becoming intolerable to watch this series despite having a green pitch. I was expecting a far better job from Eng bowlers in their dream conditions at home.

 

[D/DAhmed]

Broad is also quite clearly losing it. No matter how bad bowlers like Bhuvneshwar (who I don't think is too bad in tests) and Ishant are, I'm pretty sure they would look to at least pitch the ball up and let it swing, instead of pitching it so short on such a magnificent bowling track

When you see Plunkett, in the last over before lunch, running in an bowling short deliveries from around the wicket on this type of surface to an uncertain batsman, it really makes you wonder what is going on inside Cook's head.

On a side note, India need to start producing better quality wickets for their bowlers. Watching Bhuvneshwar in action today, it makes you think how talented this guy is. But in India, I wonder if anyone actually wants to be a fast bowler like Bhuvneshwar. You have to firstly deal with the fact that India doesn't really have any ATG bowlers for you to look up to as role models, so you're basically on your own there. Secondly, the dust bowls in India aren't exactly a bowler's paradise. If your main strength is swinging the ball at 120-130 kph, then you're basically out of the equation

As a Pakistani, I love making fun of how mediocre most of the Indian bowlers are, but I would like to tip my hat off to Bhuvneshwar for his achievements

 

[Robert]

Has Plunkett performed good in the domestic seasons or England just don't have any other better bowling options?

Yes, he has been tearing up trees at Yorkshire. Jason Gillespie told him to stop bowling medium pace and come in fast instead, and he has taken a lot of wickets. Unfortunately Cook is not using him in the same intelligent way that Yorkshire do. This round the wicket chin music is pointless.

I think he is only keeping Finn's place warm until England get confidence back in Finn, though.

 

[Convict]

Yes, he has been tearing up trees at Yorkshire. Jason Gillespie told him to stop bowling medium pace and come in fast instead, and he has taken a lot of wickets. Unfortunately Cook is not using him in the same intelligent way that Yorkshire do. This round the wicket chin music is pointless.

I think he is only keeping Finn's place warm until England get confidence back in Finn, though.

Exactly.
At some point you have to back your bowlers to succeed.

When India starting batting the ball was really doing things so the very last thing you'd do is consistently bowl short and bowl outside off. That works on your typical modern day flattish test wicket. But on the wicket, every ball the Indian batsmen didn't have to play at was probably a blessing.

I think the main issue England have with the tail is how you bowl. It's well planned and structured and suits bowling to proper batsmen.
But 1) tailenders don't have the same ability to nick the ball
2) tailenders are more concerned with staying in than scoring so they won't play shots

The English attack seems to hang around waiting for a mistake when sometimes you need Johnson or Finn (or even Broad is capable) to just force the tailender to get out hooking like Anderson against Sri Lanka.

It's the main reason Australia and South Africa rarely lose to minnows because we've always got that fast bowler we can bring on and force the issue. A great off spinner like Swann or a decent leg spinner is also able to force shots.

Someone just has to tell Broad to stick it up them

 

[Robert]

Exactly.
At some point you have to back your bowlers to succeed.

When India starting batting the ball was really doing things so the very last thing you'd do is consistently bowl short and bowl outside off. That works on your typical modern day flattish test wicket. But on the wicket, every ball the Indian batsmen didn't have to play at was probably a blessing.

I think the main issue England have with the tail is how you bowl. It's well planned and structured and suits bowling to proper batsmen.
But 1) tailenders don't have the same ability to nick the ball
2) tailenders are more concerned with staying in than scoring so they won't play shots

The English attack seems to hang around waiting for a mistake when sometimes you need Johnson or Finn (or even Broad is capable) to just force the tailender to get out hooking like Anderson against Sri Lanka.

It's the main reason Australia and South Africa rarely lose to minnows because we've always got that fast bowler we can bring on and force the issue. A great off spinner like Swann or a decent leg spinner is also able to force shots.

Someone just has to tell Broad to stick it up them

Exactly. You didn't see Jimmy batting for hours against Australia - he got bounced out in short order.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Anderson averages 29 while broad averages 30 with the white ball.

Wood averages 40, Stokes 38, Ball 36, Plunkett averages 30 with the while Ball.

 

[Robert]

In Australia I would play Broad and Wood with the new ball, Woakes as the workhorse and Stokes to shake things up.

I wouldn't take Jimmy, he's too slow when it doesn't swing or seam now.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

In Australia I would play Broad and Wood with the new ball, Woakes as the workhorse and Stokes to shake things up.

I wouldn't take Jimmy, he's too slow when it doesn't swing or seam now.

Wood four inches too short to be a test bowler - [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

 

[aloo paratha]

I Rate Finn, I think he should play in the Ashes and this current series.

 

[Billy1999]

I feel Roland Jones is garbage so is Stokes

Finn,Wood,Broad,Anderson,Ball,Woakes is a decent Bowling attack

 

[Robert]

I feel Roland Jones is garbage so is Stokes

He has proved he can takes wickets at test level on flat tracks. Just needs consistency.

 

[James]

Wood will be dynamite if he can stay fit. The North of England seems to be blessed with quality fast bowling talent.

 

[3rdWheel]

What happened to Woakes. I thought he had a brilliant summer last year

 

[Robert]

What happened to Woakes. I thought he had a brilliant summer last year

Injured.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Finn is finished as a fast bowler. Never really had anything but his pace and height and ever since he's lost the pace, he's become a gentle giant. No batsmen fear bounce anymore, especially the dibbly dobbly ones from Finn.

I'm surprised some people are against the selection of Jimmy. I'm adamant he's going to have a prolific series and then an even better Ashes. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] I fail to understand your logic for not selecting Jimmy for the Ashes. He was never a quick bowler who relied on pace. It was always his swing, line and length that troubled the batsmen. He's still pretty much the same pace as he was when he first came onto the scene because 1) He doesn't have a very demanding schedule or action 2) He maintains paramount fitness.

The only reason he's appeared to be comparatively slower recently is because he's suffered from injuries. I expect him to be fully git by the Ashes.

 

[Ellipsism]

Finn is finished as a fast bowler. Never really had anything but his pace and height and ever since he's lost the pace, he's become a gentle giant. No batsmen fear bounce anymore, especially the dibbly dobbly ones from Finn.

I'm surprised some people are against the selection of Jimmy. I'm adamant he's going to have a prolific series and then an even better Ashes. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] I fail to understand your logic for not selecting Jimmy for the Ashes. He was never a quick bowler who relied on pace. It was always his swing, line and length that troubled the batsmen. He's still pretty much the same pace as he was when he first came onto the scene because 1) He doesn't have a very demanding schedule or action 2) He maintains paramount fitness.

The only reason he's appeared to be comparatively slower recently is because he's suffered from injuries. I expect him to be fully git by the Ashes.

There's understandable logic behind leaving Anderson behind for the Ashes. One being that the skills he relies upon to take wickets are nullified in Australia; the kookaburra ain't going to swing nor seam on flat pitches.

Not to mention he's achieved almost nothing in every game he's played down under.

To succeed in Australia you either need to be quick, tall or pin point accurate. None of which Anderson is capable of doing.

 

[Major]

Finn and tremlett use to be soo good

what happened to them.

I think Finns change of action maybe caused him this ouster from test

 

[ExpressPacer]

There's understandable logic behind leaving Anderson behind for the Ashes. One being that the skills he relies upon to take wickets are nullified in Australia; the kookaburra ain't going to swing nor seam on flat pitches.

Not to mention he's achieved almost nothing in every game he's played down under.

To succeed in Australia you either need to be quick, tall or pin point accurate. None of which Anderson is capable of doing.

The only thing that sounds reasonable from what you've said are his past performances and I certainly wouldn't drop the greatest ever bowler my country has produced over a few failures (if you can call them that) in the past when he's still pretty much as good as he was in his peak.

 

[Ellipsism]

The only thing that sounds reasonable from what you've said are his past performances and I certainly wouldn't drop the greatest ever bowler my country has produced over a few failures (if you can call them that) in the past when he's still pretty much as good as he was in his peak.

He's played 13 test matches in Australia with an average near 40, that isn't a 'few failures'.