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Well on the bright side Siddle at least won't get spanked so we can pension off Watto.

And hopefully Haddin as well.
 
Only way hads is getting dumped is if he follows warners lead and promises to give up sledging.
 
Sadevdesai said:
412 runs may be a tall chase to chase, but remember, they have 2 full days to score them in. Their strategy should be not to take any risk, ( boring to watch ) get the bowlers tired out and then try to score. two days ... That is a long time. Not saying it will happen, but there is no hurry to kill yourself. They have batsmen who can stand up and deliver. Not an AUS fan ... Just a fan of the game.
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Aus trying to get those runs by batting patiently for 2 days? Never going to happen.
 
We need a miracle to win but if we did get the runs it would be in 100 overs at most, would be a slogfest where everything went our way.

The idea we could grind it out over 4-5 sessions is laughable, if we had that capacity we would have done it in the first dig and kept ourselves in the match.
 
Only way Aus knows to play is to score quickly. I don't recall the last time Aus batted long time with aim to tired out bowlers and then went for runs. That's why if Aus has to bat out time to draw then they end up losing.

Anyway, I don't mind Aus apporach even a bit. Makes for a great viewing. Just go and try to score runs.
 
Sadevdesai said:
412 runs may be a tall chase to chase, but remember, they have 2 full days to score them in. Their strategy should be not to take any risk, ( boring to watch ) get the bowlers tired out and then try to score. two days ... That is a long time. Not saying it will happen, but there is no hurry to kill yourself. They have batsmen who can stand up and deliver. Not an AUS fan ... Just a fan of the game.
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They don't have two full days. Rain is coming. They might have four sessions. Whether England can bowl them out in that time is a more appropriate question. Australia hold the Ashes so will be happy going to Lord's at 0-0.
 
Robert said:
They don't have two full days. Rain is coming. They might have four sessions. Whether England can bowl them out in that time is a more appropriate question. Australia hold the Ashes so will be happy going to Lord's at 0-0.
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We'd be delighted to get out of this with a draw
 
Ricky Ponting at Trent Bridge in 2005 was the last time an Australian batsman saved a match in the last innings.

During that timeframe the longest we've batted in the fourth innings is 110 overs - which England has done 6 times and South Africa has done 8 times.

In the last 25 years we've only had like 20 fourth innings centuries - and Ponting scored four of them.
Clarke scored one 4th innings century but it was in a loss.

It's not going to happen.

And just to add, until Clarke or Smith demonstrate that they can do this they'll never be rated on the same level as Ponting
 
trogger said:
The idea we could grind it out over 4-5 sessions is laughable, if we had that capacity we would have done it in the first dig and kept ourselves in the match.
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I think Australia will be stronger if they get another Rogers figure to occupy the crease. This all-out attack philosophy doesn't work in all conditions and at all times.
 
Convict said:
Well on the bright side Siddle at least won't get spanked so we can pension off Watto.

And hopefully Haddin as well.
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We won't drop Haddin sadly. We should have got rid of him a while ago but he is required to babysit our captain.

And we don't have the guts to drop Johnson.

Watson will surely be dropped though.
 
Robert said:
I think Australia will be stronger if they get another Rogers figure to occupy the crease. This all-out attack philosophy doesn't work in all conditions and at all times.
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I would have thought our batters 4-8 who are all a fair way over thirty might have the brains to occupy the crease but hey, guess not.
 
Random Aussie said:
We won't drop Haddin sadly. We should have got rid of him a while ago but he is required to babysit our captain.

And we don't have the guts to drop Johnson.

Watson will surely be dropped though.
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Johnson can't be dropped if Starc is injured
 
Lurker_Ind said:
You can never count out Aussies.

If they can bundle out Eng here for only a 400 run lead, this can get interesting.
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'Only' a 400 run lead lol.

This is a massive lead. England will surely win the match, probably today.
 
Random Aussie said:
We won't drop Haddin sadly. We should have got rid of him a while ago but he is required to babysit our captain.

And we don't have the guts to drop Johnson.

Watson will surely be dropped though.
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Johnson won't be dropped. Starc is injured and surely nobody could select Cummins.

I did fear that the selectors would respond by dropping Voges for Mitch Marsh but fortunately Siddle's ability to hold down an end all day should end that.

A lot rests on Hazlewood now
 
James said:
'Only' a 400 run lead lol.

This is a massive lead. England will surely win the match, probably today.
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It would take performance that no current Australian batsman has proven themselves capable of performing to not be at least 7 or 8 down by the end of play today
 
If we make it to stumps that would almost be seen as progress, more likely is a fast scoring rate multiple freebie wickets(including from set batsman) and all out inside 75 overs.
 
Rogers and Warner to put up a 70-120 run opening partnership giving us hope.

A whole bunch of nice cameos and thrown away wickets to get us to about 5-200

The tail to get us to a stage where some lunatics start dreaming of winning. And then a collapse and a loss.

Followed by an entire day of rain.

4+ runrate though
 
Convict said:
Rogers and Warner to put up a 70-120 run opening partnership giving us hope.

A whole bunch of nice cameos and thrown away wickets to get us to about 5-200

The tail to get us to a stage where some lunatics start dreaming of winning. And then a collapse and a loss.

Followed by an entire day of rain.

4+ runrate though
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This is about as solid a prediction as I have ever seen.

Have you considered a career in economics or weather prediction? You're a natural :yk
 
Convict said:
Rogers and Warner to put up a 70-120 run opening partnership giving us hope.

A whole bunch of nice cameos and thrown away wickets to get us to about 5-200

The tail to get us to a stage where some lunatics start dreaming of winning. And then a collapse and a loss.

Followed by an entire day of rain.

4+ runrate though
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LB to bring it home and cement his spot for the next five years.
 
Should Australia try a different batting line up? Perhaps send the likes of Watson and Haddin or Johnson up the order to try and out a dent in the target by playing attacking shots early on, bring the target to around 270 odd by the time Rogers and Smith and the rest can buckle down.
 
Random Aussie said:
I would have thought our batters 4-8 who are all a fair way over thirty might have the brains to occupy the crease but hey, guess not.
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You can't try and hold up the crease in these chases. Better to start attackingly and send panic waves through the England camp early on.
 
Saqs said:
Should Australia try a different batting line up? Perhaps send the likes of Watson and Haddin or Johnson up the order to try and out a dent in the target by playing attacking shots early on, bring the target to around 270 odd by the time Rogers and Smith and the rest can buckle down.
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I don't think that will work out. It's not an ODI after all. It's a good idea but Australia haven't got the players to do it. England could send someone with real quality like Buttler up the order, all Australia have are hacks like Watto and Haddin.
 
If this was Pakistan I am relatively sure that the match would be saved or either won. But sadly, not all teams have the luxury of such quality cricketers. Any way I want AUS to win/draw as it will be more exciting from this position. Warner is key. Needs to fire away quickly and shock the English bowler. A Moeen Ali 9-fer in a draw/loss would be pretty nice.

Do any Aussie posters think Fawad Ahmed will get a game on this tour? Really wanna see him bowl. Heard he had a great Sheild season?
 
Pantani said:
I don't think that will work out. It's not an ODI after all. It's a good idea but Australia haven't got the players to do it. England could send someone with real quality like Buttler up the order, all Australia have are hacks like Watto and Haddin.
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You never know. Haddin may have one last hurrah in his system. It could really send panic waves in the England camp if somehow they get away.

I guess the key is Warner. He could really do a Sehwag here and dent the target a lot in a short time.
 
Saqs said:
You can't try and hold up the crease in these chases. Better to start attackingly and send panic waves through the England camp early on.
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Definitely. There's no point in tuk-tuk, Cook will just crowd more and more dabbawallas around the bat and in the slips and eventually you're going to hit one straight to them. For Australia to have any chance at the draw they have to put England on the defensive.
 
Saqs said:
You never know. Haddin may have one last hurrah in his system. It could really send panic waves in the England camp if somehow they get away.

I guess the key is Warner. He could really do a Sehwag here and dent the target a lot in a short time.
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Agreed. Warner is the key wicket. He has to make a quickfire 80 at least.
 
If there is a team that can chase this on that pitch it has to be Australia.
 
A former Australian team would have gone about this chase all guns blazing. A team with Haydos, Punter and Gilly could not be written off until they were bowled out. Until you dismissed Gilly you could not be sure of winning even if you get the Aussies on the mat at 6/200. But this Australian team does not have enough batting power to overhaul this target outside home conditions.
 
Bullet Drive said:
If this was Pakistan I am relatively sure that the match would be saved or either won. But sadly, not all teams have the luxury of such quality cricketers. Any way I want AUS to win/draw as it will be more exciting from this position. Warner is key. Needs to fire away quickly and shock the English bowler. A Moeen Ali 9-fer in a draw/loss would be pretty nice.

Do any Aussie posters think Fawad Ahmed will get a game on this tour? Really wanna see him bowl. Heard he had a great Sheild season?
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I've seen a lot of Fawad and he had a good season but he's not test standard.
 
IndianWillow said:
A former Australian team would have gone about this chase all guns blazing. A team with Haydos, Punter and Gilly could not be written off until they were bowled out. Until you dismissed Gilly you could not be sure of winning even if you get the Aussies on the mat at 6/200. But this Australian team does not have enough batting power to overhaul this target outside home conditions.
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The problem is that the new Australian generation spent their formative cricket years watching that Australian team. And they remember the dominating part and not the hard work in between.

We need more Justin Langers than wannabe Matthew Haydens (likewise young leg spinners should be better off modelling themselves on Stuart MacGill's more replicable bowling action than Shane Warne's). Fortunately Langer is having a big influence on his charges in Western Australia, in particular Cameron Bancroft.
 
Logical said:
If there is a team that can chase this on that pitch it has to be Australia.
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Only four times in history have test sides chased 400+ to win a test. Australia did it once - some bloke called Bradman scored 173 not out.
 
Robert said:
Only four times in history have test sides chased 400+ to win a test. Australia did it once - some bloke called Bradman scored 173 not out.
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To be fair modern wickets are so flat now that it's significantly more likely than in the past. A team like South Africa could probably still win for this position.

Australian players aren't equipped to do it though because the whole "you have two days to do it" isn't something they comprehend.
 
Convict said:
To be fair modern wickets are so flat now that it's significantly more likely than in the past. A team like South Africa could probably still win for this position.
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I dunno. Not with the variable bounce we saw England exploit, and Jimmy swinging both ways.
 
Convict said:
To be fair modern wickets are so flat now that it's significantly more likely than in the past. A team like South Africa could probably still win for this position.

Australian players aren't equipped to do it though because the whole "you have two days to do it" isn't something they comprehend.
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400+ target has been chased very rarely in the past despite the flatter decks. South Africa on this pitch may have a shot but they do have a history of choking and all sub continent teams would find life difficult in these conditions. Thus, my money would be on Australia.
 
This tuk-tuk from Warner isn't too bad, there are 180 overs to chase 412. The required rate is under control :misbah
 
England bowling very well, need a wicket to make it count though.
 
with 2 days to bat Aussies should be disappointed if they do not get those 400 odd runs.
 
It really irritates me how Broad and Anderson look like world beaters whenever Australia tour England. Can't they have an off-season, for once?

I suppose this is how England fans felt throughout the '90s whenever Glenn McGrath would show up at Lords and ruin your summers by taking 21 wickets before lunch.
 
I should add, it is irritating, because Broad and Anderson tend to be ordinary against other opponents. They didn't do much against Sri Lanka last year, if I remember right.
 
Not a bad first hour for England but they need Warner and 1 other wicket before lunch.
 
These two have added 34 in 20 balls. About time somebody in the Australian order took the game to the English bowlers. Every time Australia took a wicket, the incoming English batsman would hit a couple of boundaries early on and the pressure would swap sides. This strategy worked really well in unsettling Australia's bowlers and also in making sure that the loss of a wicket never allowed Australia back into the game. So it should be copied by the Australian batsmen.
 
Pantani said:
I should add, it is irritating, because Broad and Anderson tend to be ordinary against other opponents. They didn't do much against Sri Lanka last year, if I remember right.
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Anderson averaged 19 against SL last year. Indeed, he has averaged 21 home and away since the last tour of Australia.

Last three years, Broad averages 26 in tests, s/r 50.
 
Bad move by Chef to bring Moeen on early, now Warner has got going.
 
Robert said:
Anderson averaged 19 against SL last year. Indeed, he has averaged 21 home and away since the last tour of Australia.

Last three years, Broad averages 26 in tests, s/r 50.
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These two guys have a tendency to look a lot more menacing and lift their games whenever Australia show up. That's just a gut feeling of mine. The stats don't back me up, but I'm sure you can sense it in the air, as I do, that they desperately want to perform that little bit better against Australia. Maybe it's the body language or something.
 
Partnership worth 73 from 92 balls.

Need to up the rate again, where's :moali bhai
 
ugh you just knew that was coming, so many almost good sessions in england but they all seem to end the same.
 
Guess this match should officially mark the end of the KP saga. The test team has finally made admirable progress without him.
 
ali bubba said:
Going to be hard work to take 10 wickets. England might be needing the bad weather.
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I am baffled by the number of people who think Australia are going to win this. It's either an England win or the rain will mean a draw.
 
Pantani said:
These two guys have a tendency to look a lot more menacing and lift their games whenever Australia show up. That's just a gut feeling of mine. The stats don't back me up, but I'm sure you can sense it in the air, as I do, that they desperately want to perform that little bit better against Australia. Maybe it's the body language or something.
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They feel the weight of history. That's the Ashes for you. The Aussie players all feel the same. Remember Ian Chappell: "Lose against WI if you have to. You can even lose against India. But whatever you do, don't lose against England."
 
Clarke gone, poor shot!

106/4 england sniffing a win here/
 
Even a target of 150 would be a huge ask with this Aussies side atm.

Good bowling but also some idiotic shots to get out this match.
 
Australia never in this game after Root's ton, MOM should go to Haddin. :kakmal
 
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Shocking shot from clarke, his footwork is just a mess now with how bad his back has got.

he might tough out a few scores here and there but i can't see how he can carry on much longer.
 
Wood to Voges, OUT, probing away and Voges succumbs, feathering through to the keeper! England are cock-a-hoop, Wood running around like a One Direction fan who's just spotted Harry! Nothing fancy about this, just quick and holding its line outside off, Voges playing off the back foot and he's a goner, his average plummeting into the 60s.
 
ENG and BD are going to be the top two cricketing nations at this rate.
 
Australia Lost 4 wickets for 9 runs. .Eng. turning screw.

Aus. 96 for 1. Lost 4 more including smith (33) after lunch.chasing 412 to win,australia now 106 for 5
Haddin n.o'
Watson n.o.

England bowled out srilanka, here for less than 25 overs in the 4th innings in test.
 
Man Of Steel said:
If Pakistan can chase 370+ on day 4/5 pitch on a track having more juice than this road, You can bet your house on Aussies chasing anywhere around 400 easily.
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Man Of Steel said:
Superman's prediction for this Test Match:

Australia: 99%
England: 1%
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honeybadger said:
It had been a while since Broad overshone Anderson with the ball.
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Actually if you look at the numbers, Broad has outshone Anderson overseas in recent years. He was one of two England players to emerge from the last Ashes with any credit (the other was Stokes).
 
trogger said:
4 for 9 collapse and we can't even blame watto and hads :(
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Perhaps The Walking LBW and Haddit will shore the innings up. If AUS can make it to the close, they may escape with a draw.
 
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