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Man Of Steel said:
Such an immature crowd mostly drunk and homeless, the kind of behavior they're portraying is pretty low for a civilized country like England.
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England would like to pick the Brummies up and carry them to every single match they play. Hurrah for Fortress Edgbaston!
 
First Test Eng thrash Aus. Second Test Aus obliterates Eng. Third Test Eng demolish Aus. Two one to Eng. Now that Anderson is ruled out of the next one hopefully straya can return the favour. Two all with Eng needing to win the fifth Test to regain the Ashes would be awesome. C'mon straya!
 
Good pitch for Test cricket, pity our batters couldn't put up a better effort. I don't see the point of Voges, again what are we getting out of a 35 year old debutant? Should have played a young batsmen and at the very least they can learn from it.

Smiths prodigious run scoring has been carrying the middle order for a while, he didn't score this game we collapse like drunken Englishmen after two wines.
 
Random Aussie said:
Good pitch for Test cricket, pity our batters couldn't put up a better effort. I don't see the point of Voges, again what are we getting out of a 35 year old debutant? Should have played a young batsmen and at the very least they can learn from it.

Smiths prodigious run scoring has been carrying the middle order for a while, he didn't score this game we collapse like drunken Englishmen after two wines.
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Tough to ignore his domestic performance I guess. They probably thought they could unearth another Hussey type lower middle order batsman.
 
Voges and Starc need to go. Voges in particular has looked way out of his depth.

Clarke needs to go as well. But he won't.

What is Mitchell Marsh truly like? I think he looked really amateurish in the 3rd Test. Missing straight balls constantly, huge gap between bat and pad and just an awful technique.
 
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James said:
Voges and Starc need to go. Voges in particular has looked way out of his depth.

Clarke needs to go as well. But he won't.

What is Mitchell Marsh truly like? I think he looked really amateurish in the 3rd Test. Missing straight balls constantly, huge gap between bat and pad and just an awful technique.
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Marsh is a young player who's not that ready yet but he's a better option than Watto. At this stage of his development he'd have some bad games and some good one but it will come together with time.
 
Convict said:
Marsh is a young player who's not that ready yet but he's a better option than Watto. At this stage of his development he'd have some bad games and some good one but it will come together with time.
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But is an Ashes series in England really the best place to start him off? I know CA really protected Phil Hughes from tough tours when he was making his comeback. I guess Marsh performances speak for themselves and Watson was just a liability.
 
Saqs said:
But is an Ashes series in England really the best place to start him off? I know CA really protected Phil Hughes from tough tours when he was making his comeback. I guess Marsh performances speak for themselves and Watson was just a liability.
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Does he offer more than Watson over the course of a series?

I believe so
 
Voges and Clarke are the ones to blame.

Unfortunately for Voges but he hasn't done what he was selected to do so so test career over for him.
 
I think Australia would benefit from Smith at 4 instead of 3. The middle order is really weak and desperately need someone like him. The openers are doing fine and as long as the new 3 can eke out some 30s then the top order is well set.
 
Robert said:
It will NOT be comfortable. It will be nerve-shredding.
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I was hoping it would be that way but nope.

shaz619 said:
How does he not like Ali what did he say?
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He was very vocal about calling him a part-time spinner and visibly flustered when Nasser brought up the fact that he works a lot with Ajmal and if Warnie would help Ali out, as well. Just an observation.
 
Pantani said:
Lol, Hazlewood is the leading wicket taker in the series.
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He picked up 4 wickets at Edgbaston, the most by an Australian but was by far the worst of the lot.Conceeding runs at 5rpo and taking cheap wickets in the end isn't impressive at all.

More is expected out of him.Starc and MJ can't be dropped either so Josh should sit out IMO :sanga.
 
Pantani said:
So you're saying he has a problem with Pakistanis? That isn't true. Look at how well he gets on with Wasim.
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Of course not and Ali isn't Pakistani. He just isn't a fan of mystery spinners.

Not just Wasim, he is also fond of Yasir Shah.
 
Captain_Obvious said:
He picked up 4 wickets at Edgbaston, the most by an Australian but was by far the worst of the lot.Conceeding runs at 5rpo and taking cheap wickets in the end isn't impressive at all.

More is expected out of him.Starc and MJ can't be dropped either so Josh should sit out IMO :sanga.
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Starc has been much worse than Hazelwood. Need to watch the game not the two balls he bowls per match that are great.
 
Pace attack is fine.

Problem is their batting. Heavily dependent of Smith.

Another issue is that all three pacers are race horses to some extent. So Clarke is unable to use them in shorter spells.

Among the three, I think Hazlewood is the one who can do the work horse job better, so that increases his utility as well.
 
Stallion__ said:
Pace attack is fine.

Problem is their batting. Heavily dependent of Smith.

Another issue is that all three pacers are race horses to some extent. So Clarke is unable to use them in shorter spells.

Among the three, I think Hazlewood is the one who can do the work horse job better, so that increases his utility as well.
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You mean in longer spells?

I don't think he needs to with four seamers. Short and fast is the way to go and it's been working.
 
Stallion__ said:
Pace attack is fine.

Problem is their batting. Heavily dependent of Smith.

Another issue is that all three pacers are race horses to some extent. So Clarke is unable to use them in shorter spells.

Among the three, I think Hazlewood is the one who can do the work horse job better, so that increases his utility as well.
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It's not our pacers that have lost us two games this series. Agree the attack is fine but a little more inexperienced than would be ideal.

Batting is poor from no 4 to number 7.
 
I'm surprised that Hazlewood did not tear up trees at Edgbaston. I think he saw the lateral movement and tried to make it do too much, instead of just bowling tight and waiting for the nicks.
 
One of the most entertaining Ashes although i must say except for Pakistan(off late) i find most teams really going down in terms of quality.I guess the domination era is all but over and anyone can win any series or tournament now.
 
Robert said:
I'm surprised that Hazlewood did not tear up trees at Edgbaston. I think he saw the lateral movement and tried to make it do too much, instead of just bowling tight and waiting for the nicks.
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Can't do much with 136 on the board, his inexperience probably played a part as well.
 
Robert said:
I'm surprised that Hazlewood did not tear up trees at Edgbaston. I think he saw the lateral movement and tried to make it do too much, instead of just bowling tight and waiting for the nicks.
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I think as a young bloke he saw what Anderson did in the first innings and started to try to hard to force something to happen instead of sticking to the basics.

He basically did what Starc always does
 
No doubt he let the pitch and the match situation mess with his head, difference between him and starc is i think hazelwood can and will learn quickly from his poor test, starc won't learn a thing or change a thing.
 
trogger said:
No doubt he let the pitch and the match situation mess with his head, difference between him and starc is i think hazelwood can and will learn quickly from his poor test, starc won't learn a thing or change a thing.
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Haze is shouldering a big load, we are asking him to perform Rhino's role.
 
Hazlewood is also our leading wicket taker this series.

I'd drop Starc for Siddle. Siddle isn't a wickettaker any more but he'd hold up an end and help the other bowlers that way.

And Voges out for Shaun Marsh.

With Clarke it doesn't really matter but we won't drop a Captain midseries so yep.
 
The England team should start talking in interviews and press conferences about this Clarke batting at 5 idea. Say something like "Bell was struggling but he went and faced the music in a harder position, but it's up to Clarke is he wants to protect himself and move to 5".

Make it out like Clarke is being weak and hit a nerve.
 
MarkCooper said:
The England team should start talking in interviews and press conferences about this Clarke batting at 5 idea. Say something like "Bell was struggling but he went and faced the music in a harder position, but it's up to Clarke is he wants to protect himself and move to 5".

Make it out like Clarke is being weak and hit a nerve.
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Yep. The Aussies are better at psy-war than us and that would be a good poke back at them.
 
Everything that can be said about clarke has already been said over the years and often by his own countrymen not sure anything england could say would really make things any worse than they currently are.
 
Of course if Clarke drops down to #5 he might start scoring again.
 
Just saw this from Mitch ;-)

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Convict said:
Hazlewood is also our leading wicket taker this series.

I'd drop Starc for Siddle. Siddle isn't a wickettaker any more but he'd hold up an end and help the other bowlers that way.

And Voges out for Shaun Marsh.

With Clarke it doesn't really matter but we won't drop a Captain midseries so yep.
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It'd be stupid to drop Starc now. He is your future with Johnson also near retirement. He might fail but there is no better teacher than experience. Dropping him would hurt his confidence.
 
Convict said:
Why?
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Most of his runs have come from that position. He'll be further away from the new ball. I think that by moving him up to #4 you've sacrificed a strength to plug a weakness.

Unless his back problem is career-ending?
 
Robert said:
Most of his runs have come from that position. He'll be further away from the new ball. I think that by moving him up to #4 you've sacrificed a strength to plug a weakness.

Unless his back problem is career-ending?
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Look at him when he bats. Look at his back, look how it's as stiff as a board and look how it has effected his footwork and how he is no longer going forward.

He's not batting bad because he's at number 4.

He's batting badly because he's got the mobility of man with a degenerative back condition.
 
ChachaCricket said:
It'd be stupid to drop Starc now. He is your future with Johnson also near retirement. He might fail but there is no better teacher than experience. Dropping him would hurt his confidence.
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Pretty much every player who has played for Australia has been dropped at some stage. Even Bradman.

If getting dropped after poor performances will break him then he'd never stand up to test cricket anyway
 
Convict said:
Pretty much every player who has played for Australia has been dropped at some stage. Even Bradman.

If getting dropped after poor performances will break him then he'd never stand up to test cricket anyway
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He's been dropped many times already and that obviously will play on his mind. He's a confidence bowler and you need to feed him more of that. Already 25, coming off of a high from the WC, this is the time to ride him and back him. If not now then he'll never learn. Not like you have Mcgraths waiting in the ranks, it's just Siddle and bunch of injuries waiting to happen.
 
Convict said:
I'd drop Starc for Siddle.
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Yeah, Starc's not that great with the red ball at this stage. You have to pick the bowlers to retain the Ashes, not worry about the post-MJ era now. You'd have to make MJ open though, and his head might drop if he doesn't get wickets quickly. Though Lyth is bound to nick off to slip so he'll be OK!
 
ChachaCricket said:
He's been dropped many times already and that obviously will play on his mind. He's a confidence bowler and you need to feed him more of that. Already 25, coming off of a high from the WC, this is the time to ride him and back him. If not now then he'll never learn. Not like you have Mcgraths waiting in the ranks, it's just Siddle and bunch of injuries waiting to happen.
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He needs to learn that at Test level you need to refine your craft to succeed. The issue isn't the great balls he bowls, it's all the junk without a plan in between those balls.
 
Convict said:
Pretty much every player who has played for Australia has been dropped at some stage. Even Bradman.

If getting dropped after poor performances will break him then he'd never stand up to test cricket anyway
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Gilchrist and Mark Waugh I think were the only players to have never been dropped, although I may be making the Mark Waugh part up.
 
I expect Broad to take a step up in the next match. He'll relish being leader of the pack.
 
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