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aliasad1998 said:
Probably wont happen so Id just play Rizwan at 6 since Shan is definitely not getting the next game
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The problem is that you expose Azhar Ali to opening against the new ball when he is averaging 9.75.

If you want to leave players in positions in which they are relatively comfortable, drop Shan Masood and Azhar Ali and replace them with Jaahid Ali and Babar Azam at 1 and 3.

I understand that Shan Masood's dad is on the PCB governing board and that the selectors are keen to please him. (I'm not accusing him of demanding his son's inclusion, not for a moment).

But how does exposing the poor fellow to ridicule as his technique and mind unravel ever further help either the player or his father? I would want my son spared from such humiliation.

So the unwritten imperatives for selecting Shan Masood probably don't apply currently.

And I am not accusing the player or his father of the slightest impropriety.
 
Junaids said:
The problem is that you expose Azhar Ali to opening against the new ball when he is averaging 9.75.

If you want to leave players in positions in which they are relatively comfortable, drop Shan Masood and Azhar Ali and replace them with Jaahid Ali and Babar Azam at 1 and 3.

I understand that Shan Masood's dad is on the PCB governing board and that the selectors are keen to please him. (I'm not accusing him of demanding his son's inclusion, not for a moment).

But how does exposing the poor fellow to ridicule as his technique and mind unravel ever further help either the player or his father? I would want my son spared from such humiliation.

So the unwritten imperatives for selecting Shan Masood probably don't apply currently.

And I am not accusing the player or his father of the slightest impropriety.
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Azhar should keep his place. He has scored runs in England against Broad and Anderson
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
If the wicket is typical Edgbaston wicket than i will bring in Jaahid Ali for Shan.

If the wicket is like Lords or Old Trafford than I will bring in Sharjeel Khan and would give him license to play his natural game without being over agressive or over hyper. Because He can than disrupt line and length of Anderson & Woakes like Sarfraz did succeed in disturbing line, length & plot of Chris Woakes for 2-3 overs. Otherwise they are so accurate, miserly that they land ball after after in same spots and ask too many questions with that Swing and kick.


But on a Typical Edgbaston wicket where Broad & Anderson have their best bowling Averages & Strike Rates Jaahid Ali is the Man to go too ahead of Sami Aslam who is in squad.


Rahat needs to be shown the door bringing in Control of Imran Khan. If Wahab recovers fuly from Injury than too i will have a 50 % inclination only to select him on Edgbaston surface and We must bring Hasan Ali whose natural length is Good length or fuller length and He swings it away from right handers.


Pakistan can also drop Azhar Ali and bring in Amad Butt with Asad going at number 3, younis 4, Misbah 5, Sarfraz 6, Amad 7, Yasir 8, Amir 9, Hasan 10, Imran 11.


We play Test Series in England after 6 years so we should not shy away from wholesale changes to the squad. I hope Mickey Arthur dominates.


1. Jaahid/Sharjeel

2. Hafeez

3. Asad

4. Younis

5. Misbah

6. Sarfraz

7. Amad

8. Yasir

9. Amir

10. Hasan/Wahab

11. Imran



Or



1. Jaahid/Sharjeel

2. Hafeez

3. Azhar

4. Younis

5. Misbah

6. Asad

7. Sarfraz

8. Yasir

9. Amir

10. Hasan/Wahab

11. Imran.



Note : I hope I am proved wrong but Iftikhar Ahmed as an Allrounder which he isn't won't work. Neither this is UAE. Especially with the Ball and we need a fifth bowling Option which can take 1-3 wickets and provide control aswell.
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hello.. nice recommendations... but few points..

we can make or break series with this test.. we cannot call on rookies.. experience has slightly more chance than just calling some1 from A team performances where batsmen or bowlers are less competitive(refer azhars performance in practice matches)

Plus, asad is so pleasing to eye that we think he can play at any position but main issue is he has his role in his mind we cannot change it.. he is not mentally strong cricketer.. i dont think he trust himself that much to change his position in mid of such a difficult series. plus he haven't played many big innings ( I understand his number doesn't allow) but if we observe his innings he lacks the big inning tempo. we can risk changing his number in westindies series.. not before..

thanks
 
abughio said:
hello.. nice recommendations... but few points..

we can make or break series with this test.. we cannot call on rookies.. experience has slightly more chance than just calling some1 from A team performances where batsmen or bowlers are less competitive(refer azhars performance in practice matches)

Plus, asad is so pleasing to eye that we think he can play at any position but main issue is he has his role in his mind we cannot change it.. he is not mentally strong cricketer.. i dont think he trust himself that much to change his position in mid of such a difficult series. plus he haven't played many big innings ( I understand his number doesn't allow) but if we observe his innings he lacks the big inning tempo. we can risk changing his number in westindies series.. not before..

thanks
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Pakistan A games were more competitive than the games Pakiatan played against 2nd and 3rd string county sides against rookie fc players.


If you want experienced players than Pray and Pray and hope from out of the moon brilliant matchwinning performances from some to win you a match otherwise the way we lost last test was absolutely 1 sided from day 2 to day 4.


We must bring Amad, Jahid, Hasan, Babar, Sharjeel & Mir from A squad and play them against Worcestershire and than pick top Performers amongst them.


We cannot go with 4 bowlers or 5th bowler being iftikhar. We need 4 genuine pacers and 1 spinner.

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35 Averaging Fc Player for 34 Averaging Fc Player.

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aliasad1998 said:
Babar for Shan in the middle order with Azhar opening. Hasan Ali or Sohail Khan for Wahab/Rahat
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In his first 5 Fc seasons Damien Martyn had 6 Fc hundreds and he averaged 64.30.

In his first 2 Fc seasons Rickey Ponting had 6 Fc hundreds and he averaged 49.


In his first 5 Fc seasons Babar Azam has 2 Fc hundreds at an Average of 39.

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1) Saud Shakeel
2) Mohammad Hafeez
3) Babar Azam
4) Younis Khan
5) Misbah ul Haq (c)
6) Asad Shafiq
7) Sarfraz / Rizwan (wk)
8) Hasan Ali
9) Yasir Shah
10) Mohammad Amir
11) Mir Hamza.
 
Misbah would rather not making any change in the current 11. But he might be forced to make change by heavyweights Inzi and Micky.
 
Sometimes it's funny to see that how people mention e.t.c players from A team and they say that those players will be playing next Test, should be playing e.t.c

And in reality we all know, it's just a fantasy, not going to happen. And SHOULD not happen.

You have selected the team, now let this team to do their job.
 
Sami Aslam ...... because he is also familiar with eng conditions. Might have a better technique and also plays spin well.

We need a right hand bowler ...... so one of wahab and rahat need to be replaced. However, i would say wahab can create bounce and pace and would be useful in edgbaston. Rahat and imran are similar bowler, just different angle.

Sarfraz is dropping catches, not batting well. We can try rizwan, but highly unlikely.
 
Edgbaston is never a green top wicket, but it does always help the seamers like broad who just touch the surface of the pitch when bowling, bowlers who bowl back of a length naturally or hit the pitch hard will struggle here. Sohail Khan and Imran Khan would be better choices then Wahab and Rahat for this game.
 
Hasan123 said:
Azhar should keep his place. He has scored runs in England against Broad and Anderson
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Apart from a score of 92 at the oval batting at number 6 on last tour at the oval, Azhar has been rubbish with the bat most of last tour and on this one so far as well and if he fails again he should be dropped!
 
Amjid Javed said:
Apart from a score of 92 at the oval batting at number 6 on last tour at the oval, Azhar has been rubbish with the bat most of last tour and on this one so far as well and if he fails again he should be dropped!
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England obviously have a plan for him which has been executed well, babar is the obvious replacement with Asad shafiq promoted
 
chacha kashmiri said:
England obviously have a plan for him which has been executed well, babar is the obvious replacement with Asad shafiq promoted
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If Babar comes into the side he should be slotted in at number 6 and should learn to play their and as he gets better can move up the order into other batting positions as years go on.
 
Again and Again with the A team players. Why are people being so thick on here

NO player that is not in 16 member squad will play any Tests unless there is an injury and they are drafted in.


This whole thread has become a farce and no knowledgable discussion can take place when in every posts people and mentioning players from the A team. The A team squad are their to play the Lions and Sri Lanka they have nothing to do with the test series
 
sully3 said:
Again and Again with the A team players. Why are people being so thick on here

NO player that is not in 16 member squad will play any Tests unless there is an injury and they are drafted in.


This whole thread has become a farce and no knowledgable discussion can take place when in every posts people and mentioning players from the A team. The A team squad are their to play the Lions and Sri Lanka they have nothing to do with the test series
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well said and absolutely right. good luck in getting that message across though. apparently three innings against an under 12 sri lankan A team is proof of being the reincarnation of bradman.
 
godzilla said:
well said and absolutely right. good luck in getting that message across though. apparently three innings against an under 12 sri lankan A team is proof of being the reincarnation of bradman.
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I didn't know Sri Lanka was using under 12 kids for their test and LOI sides, because the A team comprised a good number of those players.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Apart from a score of 92 at the oval batting at number 6 on last tour at the oval, Azhar has been rubbish with the bat most of last tour and on this one so far as well and if he fails again he should be dropped!
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It doesn't matter what number he scorer the score shows he can score in England if he can get it right.
 
Why don't use surprise tactic in 3rd Test?

When there is a difference in quality and one team is relevant underdog, surprise tactic is one way to go to beat favourite.

Why don't Pakistan go with Zulfiqar Babar? He may able to beat England inexperience batsmen and can do long spells as Pakistan lacking 5th option
 
One thing that I would avoid is changing things that have worked. We don't need to change things that r not broken. Moving shafiq from 6 is something that is risky.
For eg, At the moment we know that azhar is struggling at number 3, n we r not sure how he will go. Shafiq at 6 we know will go ok.

Now if we promote shafiq to 3 and openers gets out then shafiq could be in I the first 10 minutes. This is totally different challenge with Fresh ball and fresher bowlers. So we would have a further unknown, it we don't know how shafiq will go and we also don't know how the number 6 (rizwan/iftikhari ) will go.
2 much risk.
So we stick with azhar at 3 and hope he goes well. We can't just expect guys to come in and debut and do better than azhar younis etc. Masood maybe a different story coz of mental block but u can afford 1 change. Not 4 like being suggested abovr
 
On a scale of 1 to 10 how bad of an idea would be to open with sarfraz? 10 is the worst. His walking down the pitch might even get us through the new ball. Either way you can't really perform worse than our openers have on foreign tours. In his current position although he's gifting his wicket away but he looks comfortable unlike many players atm but he very soon ends up with the tail which obviously results in a false shot.

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Abdullah said:
One thing that I would avoid is changing things that have worked. We don't need to change things that r not broken. Moving shafiq from 6 is something that is risky.
For eg, At the moment we know that azhar is struggling at number 3, n we r not sure how he will go. Shafiq at 6 we know will go ok.

Now if we promote shafiq to 3 and openers gets out then shafiq could be in I the first 10 minutes. This is totally different challenge with Fresh ball and fresher bowlers. So we would have a further unknown, it we don't know how shafiq will go and we also don't know how the number 6 (rizwan/iftikhari ) will go.
2 much risk.
So we stick with azhar at 3 and hope he goes well. We can't just expect guys to come in and debut and do better than azhar younis etc. Masood maybe a different story coz of mental block but u can afford 1 change. Not 4 like being suggested abovr
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Hafeez, Azhar,YK, Misbah and Shafiq all have 40+ test experience on there respective positions, it's hard to change that after one big loss. Disappointing thing is they all got starts and where not able to score big(barring Shafiq, who is the only batsman looked comfortable. Misbah played well considering his age), forget about scoring big they did not looked ready for this level, that's what crushed heart of fans. Something very similar happens to most English batsmen when they visited UAE in last two tours. Wicket was batting track from English standards.

Personal changes are not easy, they are not rookie, some are veteran others are players suppose to carry the team for next 5/7 years.

Bringing kids from A team is also wishful thinking, only Shan will be dropped and Sami will come in. Rest of the batting order will remain same. Whatever changes happen will be for next tour.

Question is can Hafeez, Azhar and YK show some character and prove critics wrong?







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Should Pakistan play with 4 seamers and a spinner?

Title.

Imo adding an extra batsman/all-rounder isnot worth it because mostly he just chokes at pressure situations so playing an extra seamer will provide other bowlers some rest and more variety to attack.

What do you guys think?
 
Personally I don't agree with this. Let me explain, yasir is definitely going to bowl one end from 20 to 80 overs, maybe he's taken off for 5 odd overs but not more than that so I think 3 seamers should be enough to rotate on the other end. Although 4 seamers are tempting but given the pressure our batting will be under if a batsman is reduced they'll crumble faster than ever.

Its about time our seamers step up their game. The only seamer who has been par is amir and been he could be much better. Wahab aur rahat ko tou rehnay hee dou

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You are better of playing 3 seamers - but not all left armers as you currently do.


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Pakistan are not producing enough quality fast bowlers as they used to in the past! They are only effective with collective support from spinners & sedate batsmen. Pakistan will remain just a competitive Test team as of now (if they have to go back to their strong/dominating days, they have to produce Wasim, Waqar kind of bowlers and mentally strong batsmen like Miandad, though its quite possible in future)
 
If the logic is to drop Shan because he is a walking wicket then yes it makes sense to play 5 bowlers.
 
Play five seamers and two spinners

shan , hafeez and azhar arent scoring anyway.



Younis khan
Misbah
Asad
Sarfraz
Zulfikar
Yasir
amir
wahab
'rahat
imran
sohail
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
If the logic is to drop Shan because he is a walking wicket then yes it makes sense to play 5 bowlers.
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too much hate for shaan in this forum... azhar and younis get away in the limelight.. shaan playing his first english summer, where azhar and younis more experienced than misbah even but their contribution is equal to nothing... they scored centuries against kiddies from counties with their awful technique and looked like a dishwasher playing cricket against the english pace attack... IMO can drop azhar and play z.babar in his place will score more than him...so far wahab and yasir have scored more azhar in this series..
 
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Zain Zaidi said:
Title.

Imo adding an extra batsman/all-rounder isnot worth it because mostly he just chokes at pressure situations so playing an extra seamer will provide other bowlers some rest and more variety to attack.

What do you guys think?
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Pakistan has to play 5 regular bowlers. It can be either 4 seamers + 1 spinner or 3 seamers + 2 spinners depending on the wicket. But has to be 5 bowlers.
 
If the next test was in Oval, I wouldnt mind Misbah playing the same team, as it is a batting track. But edgbaston is looking like a graveyard for our batsmen. and that is why .... playing the combination is not a good strategy. and also, it doesnt matter if we bat first or second, as it will be equally difficult. we need to change something.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
too much hate for shaan in this forum... azhar and younis get away in the limelight.. shaan playing his first english summer, where azhar and younis more experienced than misbah even but their contribution is equal to nothing... they scored centuries against kiddies from counties with their awful technique and looked like a dishwasher playing cricket against the english pace attack... IMO can drop azhar and play z.babar in his place will score more than him...so far wahab and yasir have scored more azhar in this series..
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Shan is in the team because of his connections which puts him under the microscope as far as I am concerned.
 
1. Hafeez
2. Azhar
3. Iftikhar
4. Misbah
5. Younis
6. Asad
7. Sarfraz
8. Sohail
9. Yasir
10. Aamir
11. Imran
 
Hafeez
Azhar
Shafiq
Azam
Misbah
Sarfaraz
Iftikhar
Imran
Sohail
Yasir
Amir

I would love to see this team at Edgbaston. Azhar can open with Hafeez and its time for Asad to move up now. I feel he is our best batsmen and is being wasted at 6. If he can come in when situation is 40+ for 1 he can then take over and lead us to a much higher score rather than losing quick wickets with a weak middle order.
Would want Babar to replace Younis who has been a legend but unfortunately is not suited to these conditions at this age.
Also moving Sarfraz up he can take on more responsibility. He is a wonderful batsmen but at 7 can get complacent as usually bats with tail and thinks he needs to score too quick which leads to dismissal.
Also we would have all rounders which we definitely need. This lineup would allow us to bat all the way down which with Amir at 11 and allows us to get at least an extra 50 or so runs.
In bowling department we would have Amir, Sohail, Imran, Iftikhar, Yasir and maybe even Hafeez which would be a huge attack with many options if things are not going well.

Of course this is probably impossible and team will have very few changes but i am confident we will win no matter which 11 is selected.
 
This is shan masoods first time so people shouldn't be that harsh. If I remember correctly our opener namely Farhat and hameed failed more miserably than him. However it would be unfair to him if he gets swapped with sami.

What bothers me if that how can you even think about opening with hafeez when the whole country clearly saw how good he was against the new ball on good pitches in the south Africa series. Not a fan of azhar but sending him to open wouldn't be a more bad option than opting for hafeez. Hafeez is more suited lower down where he will be more comfortable

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Moiza said:
On a scale of 1 to 10 how bad of an idea would be to open with sarfraz? 10 is the worst. His walking down the pitch might even get us through the new ball. Either way you can't really perform worse than our openers have on foreign tours. In his current position although he's gifting his wicket away but he looks comfortable unlike many players atm but he very soon ends up with the tail which obviously results in a false shot.

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Actually wouldn't be a bad idea. Sarfraz could unsettle Andersons rhythm at the start with his constant movement and scoring ability. Would make a change from current openers who are not looking to score and are just waiting to survive the spell. This is a bad idea as not only does it build pressure but also sooner or later they will edge one to slip. I feel as an opener you have to impose yourself on the bowler just like the bowler tries to impose himself to batsmen. Unsettle them, attack them or frustrate them by leaving the ball rather than sticking a lazy bat out.

With Hafeez he is also able to score quick so would actually not be a bad shout down the order. Plays some elegant shots but struggles with moving ball so would do better when ball gets older. Also if he can ball again he can be put in a natural all rounders position which would be at 7 and team would look more balanced.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Shan is in the team because of his connections which puts him under the microscope as far as I am concerned.
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But his performance is better than the experienced Azhar Ali and nearly equally good as Younus. Younus to come at 4 and lose his wicket so cheaply,Shaan survived the early swing on few occasions.
 
According to my sources, changes are very unlikely, unless Sohail/Imran do something extraordinary tomorrow.

Masood gets another shot.
 
Knowing Misbah and his lulloo selections, the team will "remain unchanged" barring one bowler.

And I'm laughing at all the wild suggestions above to bring X Y Z unknown player, as he's the savior.

Folks here haven't even seen those players play.
 
Don't think Pakistan have a chance even if supposedly gun players from the A team make it to the pakistan XI. The XI that played last match was the best XI available and if they can't win at Edgbaston im not sure any Pakistani XI can.
 
SOME suggestions for the PCB’s think tank for picking up the cudgels, to enable our cricketers touring England, to rise again and put up a renewed fight during the remaining matches of the series.

The entire responsibility of Yaser Shah’s abysmal performance in the 2nd Test (1/266) rests on Mr. Mushtaq Ahmad, and no one else.

However, legendary spinner Dr. Intikhab Alam, was also sitting there and he should have guided Yaser Shah to how to bowl at the English batsmen, who changed their technique from lords, as stated by their captain:
“Watching Yasir from Lord’s, he got a lot of lbws and bowled so we played him a little straighter and it worked,” said Cook.

More than the players, it was a complete failure of the entire Pakistani nincompoop coaching staff and the tour management committee, who just sat on the laurels of the Lords victory and failed to devise any strategy for the second Test match and entered the game without ANY plan, except not to do any push ups again.

In cricket, every new game is an entirely different battle of wits. Gone are days when winning combinations were not disturbed. The biggest failure of most important members of the Pakistani touring side viz., Micky Arthur and Misbah ul Haq, was when they ignored our glaring weaknesses of the first Test and entered into the second match on the hype of the Lords victory push-ups.

Further, from day one, Amir was bowling at a reduced speed in the second Test and by the end he had to go off the field. If this man was not fit, he should never have been wasted in the second Test match.
The secrets of success lies not in the push-ups, but in staying ahead of your competitor, by future gazing, knowing your and competitors weak and strong areas, anticipating the next move of the opponent and be ever ready to adapt for the change.

Now, till the start of the 3rd Test on 3rd August, we should utilise the available time for some radical changes.
As such, the chairman PCB must act urgently and swiftly (like ECB did when they immediately inducted Saqlain Mushtaq, which helped Moeen Ali get many more and cheaper wickets than Yaser Shah) and induct the world renowned legendary leg spinner Mr. Abdul Qadir, as a spin bowling consultant of the touring team.

The following suggestions are also submitted for consideration of the think tank of the PCB, on the theory of selecting horses for courses:

Suggestions for the remaining two Test matches:

1. Let Shan Masood continue opening the innings. However, the batting coach must work very hard on removing his weakness of playing rising balls and mental block against the bowling of James Anderson.

2. Muhammad Hafeez may be dropped as he has failed to live up to the expectations.

3. Shoaib Malik may be advised to take back his Test retirement and included in the team as a batting all-rounder, as the team needs his off spin bowling desparately.

4. Let Azhar and Shan Masood open the innings.

5. Younis Khan may also be dropped and bring, in his place, Sami Aslam, who is already with the squad.

6. The batting order may be reshuffled as below, as England has also promoted their best batsmen J Root to # 3 position, who alone scored 325 runs in the match, whereas, our 22 batsmen scored a mere 432 runs (Average 19.63) in the 2nd Test match.

1. Azhar, 2. Shan Masood, 3. Asad Shafiq, 4. Misbah ul Haq, 5. Sami Aslam, 6. Sarfraz Ahmad, 7. Shoaib Malik, 8 to 11 four bowlers.

It also looks Amir is a shadow of his original self. If he is not fit, either, Sohail Khan or Zulfiqar Babar may be included in his place or Junaid Khan, may be called from Pakistan.

Keeping in view the overall pathetic batting display, Fawad Alam must also be immediately flown to the UK: and given a try in the side matches, before the 3rd Test, to check his form under the English conditions.

Moreover, for the ODI’s the situation is even more critical, as our automatic eligibility for the ODI World Cup 2019, is dependent upon staying by September, 2017 within the top 8 rankings, which at the moment is #9 and our next 15 ODI’s will be played against England, West Indies, NZ and Australia.

In the ODI format, batting is our Achilles heal. In this regard, it is suggested that Misbah ul Haq, may be advised in the national interest, to rejoin our ODI team, by cancelling his retirement, as a batsman, to see through the period, till the rankings cut off time of September, 2017.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So after the Worcestershire match it seems that Pakistan will go into the 3rd Test with the same team <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvPak?src=hash">#EngvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/759435028271071232">July 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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So Misbah's dehati mentality continues.

Will play the exact same match losing XI.
 
Inzi left Misbah with no options. Iftikhar was a waste of a pick if he was not going to bowl. In the Worcester match he got one over so obviously the think tank does not take him seriously as a bowler. Only possible change is one of the right am pacers for rahat.
 
srh said:
Pakistan has to play 5 regular bowlers. It can be either 4 seamers + 1 spinner or 3 seamers + 2 spinners depending on the wicket. But has to be 5 bowlers.
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We also need 6 batsmen, problem is we have 1 at the moment who can be classed as one.

So playing with 5 bowlers is wishful thinking.
 
Why am I reading recommendations from readers on including 'A' team players? Is that even an option or just wishful thinking? I am genuinely befuddled.

Also puzzled on suggestions to play Asad or Azher up the order. Not that I am against it but has there been a suggestion?

Clearly Shan, Hafeez, Azher are struggling but knowing Misbah, it is just not likely any of the other two will happen.

So discussion for the sake of it then? Or is there some smoke?
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Why am I reading recommendations from readers on including 'A' team players? Is that even an option or just wishful thinking? I am genuinely befuddled.

Also puzzled on suggestions to play Asad or Azher up the order. Not that I am against it but has there been a suggestion?

Clearly Shan, Hafeez, Azher are struggling but knowing Misbah, it is just not likely any of the other two will happen.

So discussion for the sake of it then? Or is there some smoke?
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There is no smoke, there is no possibility of including A team players for Test series, and they should not be included.
 
#GreenRoars said:
There is no smoke, there is no possibility of including A team players for Test series, and they should not be included.
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That's what I reckoned as well but got confused by the recommendations.

So just discussion for the sake of discussion then.

Bring it on!
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So after the Worcestershire match it seems that Pakistan will go into the 3rd Test with the same team <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvPak?src=hash">#EngvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/759435028271071232">July 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I dont agree with this. One of Wahab/Rahat, mot probably Wahab will surely warm the bench
 
So iftikhars selection was a blunder? Inzi selected because he could bowl as well and he was given only one over in the side match. Why not just allowed Younis khan play the match then?
 
JibranAnsari said:
So iftikhars selection was a blunder? Inzi selected because he could bowl as well and he was given only one over in the side match. Why not just allowed Younis khan play the match then?
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How do you he wasn't allowed vs didn't want to: there's ego involved in being asked to prove yourself as a senior player.
 
hur rizvi said:
I dont agree with this. One of Wahab/Rahat, mot probably Wahab will surely warm the bench
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This will be a big blunder. Pak needs to get in a right arm pacer for Wahab and Iftikhar for Shan who is a sitting duck facing Anderson
 
So what will Pakistan do if shan masood fails again? are there any more warm up games before the 4th test match to score some runs?
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So after the Worcestershire match it seems that Pakistan will go into the 3rd Test with the same team <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvPak?src=hash">#EngvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/759435028271071232">July 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Sajs opinion or inside news ?
 
Time for Inzi or someone to put his foot down and get the selection right.

To start with we need to open with Azhar Ali instead of Shan Masood. I believe Inzi suggested this before the tour and should be the logical change given Masoods horrific run against Anderson. If at all Azhar will wear the new ball off which will be job done even if he doesnt score a lot.

1. Hafeez ( No choice at this time)
2. Azhar Ali
3. Younis K
4. Iftikhar A ( Need a 5th bowling option even if he can hold one end)
5. Misbah
6. Asad S
7. Sarfraz
8. Yasir
9. M. Amir
10. Rahat Ali
11. Sohail K / Imran
 
Misbah is going to give confidence to his men - that they will come good.

Nothing wrong with that.

What Misbah cannot give them is skillset. I don't think he realizes that yet.
 
End of the day does not matter who is selected. Just back the team and hopefully we will come out on top. Remember that team that lost the second test, won the first so England are clearly not invincible.
 
The Times reporter reckoned that James Anderson will be licking his lips at the prospect of Shan Masood keeping his place in the side. Even by Pakistan batting standards he's a complete dud.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The Times reporter reckoned that James Anderson will be licking his lips at the prospect of Shan Masood keeping his place in the side. Even by Pakistan batting standards he's a complete dud.
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again nothing to expect from our batsmen, lets hope our bowlers finally work out, so far they've been at there worst.
 
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