England vs Bangladesh vs Pakistan : Which team has experienced the most radical transformation?

[asfandyar]

England have turned themselves from a decent ODI team to perhaps the most destructive in recent times. Sub 300 scores are rare, and almost all players have career strike rates of 85+.

Bangladesh have elevated themselves from the 'minnow' status and are now a force to reckon with. Some brilliant youngsters coming through in both batting and bowling.

Pakistan's transformation hasn't been as positive as the others on this list. Bowling used to be Pakistan's most potent weapon, but in recent times it has declined to the point where even India has a better bowling unit.

Batting was never great, but even if Pakistani batsmen didn't maintain a healthy average, they were sure to show some intent. Now Pakistan has the likes of Azhar Ali, Ahmed Shahzad and Hafeez on top.

So which of these teams has undergone the most radical transformation?

 

[Coconut]

England easily. Never expected them to become such a gun odi side.

Their batting strength is simply unbelievable.

 

[Hasan123]

England easily

 

[Mamoon]

In my opinion, transformation is the wrong word to use for Pakistan and Bangladesh, because I like to associate this word with something dramatic. Bangladesh have been steadily improved for a number of years now, and the turnaround that we saw starting with the wins over NZ followed by a decent World Cup and thrashing of Pakistan, India and South Africa, were not a result of something overnight. Step by step, they were climbing the ladder.

Pakistan though, have been on a steady decline since 2006 (the last time we were in the top 2) and with which passing year, the gap between us and the rest got wider and wider.

'Transformation' is certainly the ideal way to describe England. It literally took them two months to go from an mediocre ODI team to a top class one, because it was simply a matter of dropping the wrong players and picking the right players. They scored 400 in the first ODI that they played after the 2015 World Cup, IIRC. Their turnaround has been unbelievable.

 

[shaz619]

In my opinion, transformation is the wrong word to use for Pakistan and Bangladesh, because I like to associate this word with something dramatic. Bangladesh have been steadily improved for a number of years now, and the turnaround that we saw starting with the wins over NZ followed by a decent World Cup and thrashing of Pakistan, India and South Africa, were not a result of something overnight. Step by step, they were climbing the ladder.

Pakistan though, have been on a steady decline since 2006 (the last time we were in the top 2) and with which passing year, the gap between us and the rest got wider and wider.

'Transformation' is certainly the ideal way to describe England. It literally took them two months to go from an mediocre ODI team to a top class one, because it was simply a matter of dropping the wrong players and picking the right players. They scored 400 in the first ODI that they played after the 2015 World Cup, IIRC. Their turnaround has been unbelievable.

Not just getting the balance and squad right but their attitude to the limited overs game and mindset, Swann use to say that the old England team use to draw up scenario's on the board of how they want to be around 200-4 by the 40th over. Their creativity was incredibly limited to a confined box and safety first was more important then anything else, this England team is more of a free spirit and they do not worry about containment or the loss of wickets; they have the talent and will back themselves to recover from almost any situations. The bowling is slightly thin but you"ll back them to defend 300 generally which is what England will probably score at the very least on a bad day

 

[Mamoon]

Not just getting the balance and squad right but their attitude to the limited overs game and mindset, Swann use to say that the old England team use to draw up scenario's on the board of how they want to be around 200-4 by the 40th over. Their creativity was incredibly limited to a confined box and safety first was more important then anything else, this England team is more of a free spirit and they do not worry about containment or the loss of wickets; they have the talent and will back themselves to recover from almost any situations. The bowling is slightly thin but you"ll back them to defend 300 generally which is what England will probably score at the very least on a bad day

The new personnel brought that with them. Players like Cook, Bell, Trott and Anderson etc. simply did not have the attitude for modern ODI cricket. England had a bit of a golden run in ODIs in 2011-2013 but that was more down to the grassy wickets at home where their seamers restricted teams to low scores, but they were truly exposed as a unit at the World Cup. However, I still feel that Broad can be an asset to this ODI team. He has the personality for aggressive cricket. I would like to see him play the World Cup.

 

[MMHS]

England - they changed their approach, strategy & team composition. To do that, they actually started from scratch - changed Captain (& dropped the previous one from the squad), started to pick LO specific team & finally started to play a game almost opposite to their century long classical approach of English game. To accomplish that, they actually have changed their wickets as well - to me it's a paradime shift, something like Germany playing football with ball players carrying ball at feet or England playing with short passes on grass.

Bangladesh is no transformation, let alone radical - we are playing exactly similar game we us d to play 15 years back, but with a far, far better individuals. There are few little changes in the game like bringing Sabbir (read a hitter) at 3, or playing with 3 pacers, sometimes 4 - but, it's more due to the change in context & the availability of player pool. Taskin, Mustafiz would have made the starting XI 3 pacer attack with Mash even in 2003. Fielding, fitness, running between the wickets, captaincy .... these are just part of fundamental improvement, nothing entrepreneurial there.


For PAK, it's not radical transformation, neither fundamental improvement - rather it's a correction. Team was going through a nose dive with poor selection of players for wrong format, ultra defensive Captaincy by Misbah/Azhar, wrong strategy by Waquar - few things are corrected, rather than transformed. England replaced Cook with Morgan, BD will replace Mash with Sakib, PCB has done that between Azhar & Sarfu - that should explain what is radical transformation, what is gradual improvement & what is correction of a blunder.

 

[KyoOne]

Pakistan. The fall has been unprecedented

 

[Shutdown Corner]

england as Mamoon stated above.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

England - they changed their approach, strategy & team composition. To do that, they actually started from scratch - changed Captain (& dropped the previous one from the squad), started to pick LO specific team & finally started to play a game almost opposite to their century long classical approach of English game. To accomplish that, they actually have changed their wickets as well - to me it's a paradime shift, something like Germany playing football with ball players carrying ball at feet or England playing with short passes on grass.

Bangladesh is no transformation, let alone radical - we are playing exactly similar game we us d to play 15 years back, but with a far, far better individuals. There are few little changes in the game like bringing Sabbir (read a hitter) at 3, or playing with 3 pacers, sometimes 4 - but, it's more due to the change in context & the availability of player pool. Taskin, Mustafiz would have made the starting XI 3 pacer attack with Mash even in 2003. Fielding, fitness, running between the wickets, captaincy .... these are just part of fundamental improvement, nothing entrepreneurial there.


For PAK, it's not radical transformation, neither fundamental improvement - rather it's a correction. Team was going through a nose dive with poor selection of players for wrong format, ultra defensive Captaincy by Misbah/Azhar, wrong strategy by Waquar - few things are corrected, rather than transformed. England replaced Cook with Morgan, BD will replace Mash with Sakib, PCB has done that between Azhar & Sarfu - that should explain what is radical transformation, what is gradual improvement & what is correction of a blunder.

we still lack power hitters...best thing would be to use Sabbir down the order at 6 and put a proper batter like Musa at 3 instead. all the other teams barring Pak can score 350 totals, even SL...325 is our ceiling because all of our batsmen are finesse batters.

bowling has everything covered except perhaps a wrist spinner.

 

[Executioner]

England.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Winning bilateral ODIs does not mean anything. Let them first win a WC or CT.

 

[light]

England hands down! Pretty much a overnight transformation - in with new players out with the old.

Bangladesh on the other hand improved over the last couple of years. In a couple of years or so, I see BD in the top 5 certainly.

Pakistan, the less said the better :'(

 

[KhalidRafi]

The new personnel brought that with them. Players like Cook, Bell, Trott and Anderson etc. simply did not have the attitude for modern ODI cricket. England had a bit of a golden run in ODIs in 2011-2013 but that was more down to the grassy wickets at home where their seamers restricted teams to low scores, but they were truly exposed as a unit at the World Cup. However, I still feel that Broad can be an asset to this ODI team. He has the personality for aggressive cricket. I would like to see him play the World Cup.

Having Broad in the one-day side would give their bowling attack alot more depth and experience. Only reason I can think of him not playing is that he's 30 so England probably want him to focus all his energy on Tests. Also, the combination for Woakes, Wood and Plunkett seems to be working for England so why fix something that is isn't broken?

 

[Coconut]

Winning bilateral ODIs does not mean anything. Let them first win a WC or CT.

Not true. Winning bilateral serieses is important.

 

[MMHS]

we still lack power hitters...best thing would be to use Sabbir down the order at 6 and put a proper batter like Musa at 3 instead. all the other teams barring Pak can score 350 totals, even SL...325 is our ceiling because all of our batsmen are finesse batters.

bowling has everything covered except perhaps a wrist spinner.

Eventually Afif should bat at 3. But, that makes top 3 lefti as long as Tamim is opening, therefore he'll be debuted at 6.

I think, we'll see an ODI lineup of

Soumya, Liton, Afif, Mosaddek, Mushi, Sakib, Sabbir, Miraj + 3 bowlers; within few years time - may be as early as after 2019 WC.

I do expect BD to go in 2023 WC as one of the top 2/3 team, mostly for the batting.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

England of course. BD had a gradual improvement. Why is Pakistan in the OP? Pak neither improved nor transformed

 

[dauntless]

England quite easily they just need a good odi bowler they will find themselves in top 2.

 

[Square Drive]

England, no question.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

England have transformed quite a lot.