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Well, we always lose T20I matches when we don't play Amir and it happened again.

We did that mistake in South Africa until the final match and here we repeated it again.

Let's get to the real cricket now, the format in which World Cup will happen and that too against the best side currently.

What should be our line-up?

For me, we have to drop Faheem with our eyes closed and maybe rest Hasnain as well.

M Hafeez and S Malik will miss this game too.

My Team:


Fakhar Zaman
Abid Ali
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(Wk)
Imad Wasim
Asif Ali
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Afridi
Junaid Khan
 
It's going to be a rainy day. But the xi you've picked is decent.

Any lineup which doesn't have Faheem and Imam is a good lineup.
 
Rest Hasnain? For what?

These are the matches where he needs to show he deserves to be in the World Cup squad.

1.Abid Ali
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Haris Sohail
5.Sarfraz Ahmed
6.Mohammad Hafeez
7.Imad Wasim
8.Faheem Ashraf (needs to get exposed)
9.Mohammad Hasnain
10.Junaid Khan
11.Mohammad Amir
 
The selectors and the management have really messed this up big time...
Any hope is fast ebbing away.
 
People are being unrealistic here.

Abid wont play and Imam will.

You can choose a fantasy XI in which Abid will be given a go, but in reality it will be Imam.
 
Forum363 said:
which we lost in the last over
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That makes it seem like we took the match by the scruff of the neck and took it to the last over.

The match was gone when England were 3 down and only needed 29 from 18 balls.
 
Should maybe try Babar as an opener and have Abid Ali or Imam at 3.
 
Cant wait to see mighty Yasir getting unleashed in the ODI series.

When captain says we missed Shadab in the lineup it proves that poor decision has been made in terms of his replacement. Blame should be upon chief selector, coach as well as captain for not having a better option in mind.
 
Mueez said:
Can someone send this advice to the management pls?

Babar looks a class apart while opening.
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Our team management is the most clueless ones amongst all sides in the WC. They cant think of this even in their dreams just like how to use and maximize the potential of most of the players.
 
My team (realistically) would be:

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Imam ul Haq/Abid Ali
3) Babar Azam
4) Haris Sohail
5) Sarfraz Ahmad
6) M Hafeez
7) Imad Wasim
8) M Amir
9) Hasan Ali
10) Shaheen Shah Afridi
11) M Hasnain
 
Chokli said:
That makes it seem like we took the match by the scruff of the neck and took it to the last over.

The match was gone when England were 3 down and only needed 29 from 18 balls.
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Potentially. But while the batting team has an upper hand - 10 an over in the last 3 overs is not a walk in the park. If for example, Morgan was to get out then i would argue Pakistan would have won.

Anyway ifs and buts aren’t important. The point I was making was that it was a close game, we weren’t smashed by any means.
 
Titan24 said:
Our team management is the most clueless ones amongst all sides in the WC. They cant think of this even in their dreams just like how to use and maximize the potential of most of the players.
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True.

Mickey and Sarfraz have a big hand in losing games from a winning position.

Mickey has ruined our spin-department and the lesser said about Azhar, the better it is.
 
Abid Ali is a must but Imam will not be dropped unless he fails for 3 consecutive matches. So if Hafeez is not fit then Abid can take his place. He can adapt at playing at lower end.
 
I'm hoping Imam fails 5 out of 5 times so that he can be dropped by the time the WC rolls around
 
I would play:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam ul Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Sarfaraz
6. Imad Wasim
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. Amir
10. Shaheen
11. Junaid
 
1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Sarfraz Ahmed
6. Imad Wasim
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Junaid Khan
11. Mohammad Hasnain
 
Pakistan main issue is that there top 5 batsmen are not reliable . That way Pakistan cannot have a balanced team. Ideally you would expect Imad to be at number 7 followed by 4 specialist bowlers. But then batting looks a bit light unless Hassan , Amir really start batting a little better.

Apart from that another issue is if you play Imad , its tough to fit in Faheem , because Fakhar , Harris and Hafeez all can bowl some spin , so you need to balance the side by playing a seam bowling all rounder. Pakistan either should go batting heavy or bowling heavy , that is there only way.
 
Sarfaraz averaged 60 with a strike rate of 90+ the last time he played a 5 match series in eng (2016). 300 runs he scored. He was actually the highest run scorer. So obviously he can bat in england. He just needs to become more confident.
 
With so many injured and missing players from England's team, Pakistan should win this series easily. I will be surprised if they don't.
 
Another easy win for England with some cute 50s from Babar, Haris and failure of useless Fahim, Yasir...
 
Issue is . . whether you like Shadab or not . . his absence yesterday really cost us! We needed the spin in the middle . . Faheem was meat and drink . . the pitch was slow-ish too . .
To add to that, we have replaced Shadab with yasir . . whihc makes our tail so long!

You HAVE to go with 3 fast bowlers (Amir, Junaid, Shaheen, Hasnain, Hasan) . .
You HAVE to have a spinner . . (Yasir is the only option unfortunately)

which leaves you with 8, 9, 10 and 11 with 4 bowlers who can't bat . .

Now where does Faheem go? He doesn't have a spot considering imad will bat at 7 . .

Where the team goes horribly wrong is that to deepen the batting, they play Faheem in space of a proper bowler . . and Faheem will get hammered 9/10 times on these pitches . . you won't win by making up the overs . . you will win by playing proper bowlers

So really . . the injury to Shadab and selection of Yasir consequently has left the team with NO option!

Hence in my opinion, the best possible team could be:

1. Imam
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Hafeez (idk about his fitness . . is he good to go?)
6. Sarfaraz
7. Imad (Imad coming in at 140/5 - scary thought!)
8. Hasan
9. Yasir
10. Amir
11. Hasnain

I would play 2 of Hasnain, Amir and Junaid in all the 5 games to see which 2 get to go to the world cup . . and rotate Hasan and Shaheen

Now if Hafeez isn't fit . . and Malik isn't there . . you're even more screwed! Who do you even play? Asif Ali at 6 . . so Asif Ali coming in at 4 down with only Imad to go! . .

QUITE THE PICKLE!
 
The match will probably be rained off, definitely going to be rain affected, if not rained off DL will play a part.


1) Fakhar
2) Imam
3) Babar Azam
4) Haris Sohail
5) Asif Ali
6) Sarfaraz Ahmed
7) Imad Wasim
8) Hasan Ali
9) Mohammad Hasnain
10) Shaheen Afridi
11) Junaid Khan
 
Imam is not going anywhere. People must have realized it by now. He has been Pakistan's best batsman in the Asia cup and SA series, outperforming both Fakhar and Babar.
 
I disagree with most of these teams. Anytime Pakistan has been successful they have had an allrounder batting at 8 at least. Any team where the tail starts at 8 will lose more than they will win.

1.Imam
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Haris Sohail
5.Sarfraz Ahmed
6.Mohammad Hafeez/ Asif Ali (Asif is Hafeez is unfit)
7.Imad Wasim
8.Faheem Ashraf
9. Hasan Ali
10.Mohammad Amir
11. Shaheen

Not a big fan of Faheem's batting but he is all we have
 
I would go with this XI

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Abid Ali
3) Babar Azam
4) Haris Sohail
5) Sarfaraz Ahmed (C) (WK)
6) Asif Ali/Muhammad Hafeez (If Fit)
7) Imad Wasim
8) Faheem Ashraf
9) Muhammad Amir
10) Hasan Ali
11) Shaheen Shah Afridi
 
Forum363 said:
We’re one t20i into a long tour.... which we lost in the last over
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My view is not based on a single T20 loss. In fact is said on the T20 thread that we we should not read too much in this.

Fact is the selectors and I assume with management approval picked Yasir Shah as the back up spinner when evryone knows that Yasir is useless in odi’s... they made a mistake in the Aussie series by not blooding in a couple of young spinners and confounded this by picking Yasir again for the England leg of the tour...

Similarly, not blooding a young batsmen looks like back firing..
Especially as Malik is useless anyway but has now left the tour and Hafeez hasn’t played a game for over a month.

So we’re going in a spinner down and Shadab, if he returns, will most likely be unfit and we’re left we could be left with Yasir...

So for me hope is ebbing away fast and the last couple years of preparation could go down the pan.
Anyway, hoping for the best!!
 
My 11 for Pak in WC if all the players are available and fit
1. Fakhar
2. Babar
3. Harris
4. Mallik
5. Sarfraz
6. Hafeez
7.imad
8.shadab
9. Amir
10. Hassan
11. Shaheen
 
IMMY69 said:
My view is not based on a single T20 loss. In fact is said on the T20 thread that we we should not read too much in this.

Fact is the selectors and I assume with management approval picked Yasir Shah as the back up spinner when evryone knows that Yasir is useless in odi’s... they made a mistake in the Aussie series by not blooding in a couple of young spinners and confounded this by picking Yasir again for the England leg of the tour...

Similarly, not blooding a young batsmen looks like back firing..
Especially as Malik is useless anyway but has now left the tour and Hafeez hasn’t played a game for over a month.

So we’re going in a spinner down and Shadab, if he returns, will most likely be unfit and we’re left we could be left with Yasir...

So for me hope is ebbing away fast and the last couple years of preparation could go down the pan.
Anyway, hoping for the best!!
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That is true. They saw bowlers like Tahir, Yadav, Rashid etc and desperately wanted an attacking leg spinner, even one who may be expensive. In Yasir they saw someone who has great success at the Test level, and on paper could be a useful limited over bowler with his pace, drift and accuracy.

On paper thats all great. However in reality they refuse to see that he has been an utter failure in ODIs. After Shadabs injury, they were unwilling to take a risk on a young spinner when they already have a pair of 19 year old bowlers in the squad.
 
giri26 said:
With so many injured and missing players from England's team, Pakistan should win this series easily. I will be surprised if they don't.
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Lol, funny guy, unless I missed out on some sarcasm.
 
Big question is, is Hafeez fit? Playing with 5 specialist bowlers with only Haris as back up is not sustainable. With Shadab's absence, this team is seriously lacking variety and balance in bowling. For me, Hafeez is key to restore that balance.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
They won't be playing tomorrow with rain throughout the day.
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Heavy Rain expected, but is supposed to stop at 3 PM tomorrow, match's starting time is 1 PM and they have one of the best drainage systems, we should lose only 2 hours of play with the game taking place with some overs reduced.
 
Usman said:
Big question is, is Hafeez fit? Playing with 5 specialist bowlers with only Haris as back up is not sustainable. With Shadab's absence, this team is seriously lacking variety and balance in bowling. For me, Hafeez is key to restore that balance.
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No he isn't, at best he will play the 2nd ODI but won't play tomorrow.
 
I would say we need to drop Faheem Ashraf for Amir, Hasnain for Junaid and if Hafeez is available then should drop Asif Ali for Hafeez.
 
Rain hopefully has saved us from the misery of seeing Yasir Shah getting tonked for world record runs for a bowler, with game likely to be reduced and rain having an impact on the number of overs aswell as the conditions, spinners role will be even less meaningful and more risky. Hence, team management might not play him now and go with 4 fast bowlers.

For me, those should be Amir, Shaheen, Hasan and Junaid.

Amir/Hasan and Shaheen with new ball
Hasan and Junaid during the middle overs
Amir and Shaheen/Junaid at the death

Imad and Haris to bowl the spin overs.

With M Hafeez likely to start playing from 2nd or 3rd ODI, we might not need another spin at all if his name is Yasir Shah.
 
In about 4 year incompetent Inzi didn't groom enough players to replace our injured players
 
Because Realistically Imam and Fakhar will open, I'd try Abid middle order if it's the only place to fit him in. He's done good in internationals, domestic and looks like someone who will score at good tempo. Asif hasn't done well recently in domestic or internationals, and so close, I'd rather give to the man in form. Asif's probably a luxury we can't afford right now as we're worried about completing 50 overs, we aren't in the position where we have a fantastic top/mid order that we can afford a hitter down at 6. If the experiment of Abid doesn't work, Hafeez can always come back anyway we don't lose much by trying.

If Hafeez and Malik are struggling with injuries don't play them for the world cup either. Too much risk playing players who don't even have proper match practice and just returned from injury. If they were star players sure, but they're not they're not crucial to the team. And Malik regardless doesn't even deserve to play on form even if he's not injured.

Haris has to play he's just too consistent. We probably should have included Rizwan really, who could have played middle order.

1. Imam
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Abid
6. Sarfraz
7. Imad
8. Amir
9. Hasan
10. Shaheen
11. Junaid
 
Shafi said:
In about 4 year incompetent Inzi didn't groom enough players to replace our injured players
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Malik, Hafeez have their issues at the worst time possible. First they played every game incl Zimbabwe, but now where we need them the most they're unavailable.

The only replacement at the moment is Haris Sohail.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Malik, Hafeez have their issues at the worst time possible. First they played every game incl Zimbabwe, but now where we need them the most they're unavailable.

The only replacement at the moment is Haris Sohail.
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and we know how injury prone Suhail is...
 
England all-rounder Moeen Ali to miss first ODI against Pakistan with rib injury

England welcome back a number of star names for the first one-day international against Pakistan but Moeen Ali has been ruled out with a rib injury.

Jason Roy is also unlikely to feature at The Oval on Wednesday due to a back problem but Jonny Bairstow, Jos Buttler, Ben Stokes, Chris Woakes and Mark Wood are all in contention again having been rested for the ODI against Ireland and the T20I win over Pakistan.

Both Ali and Roy are expected to feature later in the series but in their absence Joe Denly and James Vince are likely to be given another chance to press their claims for a place in the final 15 for the World Cup.

The makeup of the England seam attack is another area of interest. Jofra Archer impressed in Sunday's T20I and it would be a surprise if he were not given another chance to show what he can do in the 50-over format at The Oval.

With Tom Curran, Chris Jordan, Liam Plunkett and David Willey also competing with the returning Stokes, Woakes and Wood for the four seam-bowling slots, there is likely to be some rotation across the five-match series.

Given that Wood has not bowled competitively since the final T20I on England's tour of the Caribbean in March, the hosts may opt to allow him more time to tune up in the nets before introducing him later in the series.

England squad: Eoin Morgan (capt), Moeen Ali, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow, Jos Buttler, Tom Curran, Joe Denly, Chris Jordan, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, James Vince, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...ss-first-odi-against-pakistan-with-rib-injury
 
Looks like England are going in with a strong lineup tomorrow with only Jason Roy and Moeen Ali among the absentees.

This should be their XI:

Jonny Bairstow
James Vince
Joe Root
Eoin Morgan(C)
Joe Denly
Ben Stokes
Jos Buttler(Wk)
Chris Woakes
Adil Rashid
Jofra Archer
Liam Plunkett
 
Most likely

Pak will play

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Haris
Sarf
Asif
Imad
Faheem
Hasan
Amir
Shaheen


Faheem needs a couple of good performances to boost his confidence ahead of the WC
 
If its overcast and swinging then Imam has been dismissed even before the match began.



Garbage player playing on family quota. I wish nothing but failure for nepotistic selections. Inshallah he will keep failing.
 
Hopefully Haris is used effectively for few overs in the middle if required.

Also If Amir is to be tried nothing can be better than overcast conditions.
 
NauV said:
Issue is . . whether you like Shadab or not . . his absence yesterday really cost us! We needed the spin in the middle . . Faheem was meat and drink . . the pitch was slow-ish too . .
To add to that, we have replaced Shadab with yasir . . whihc makes our tail so long!

You HAVE to go with 3 fast bowlers (Amir, Junaid, Shaheen, Hasnain, Hasan) . .
You HAVE to have a spinner . . (Yasir is the only option unfortunately)

which leaves you with 8, 9, 10 and 11 with 4 bowlers who can't bat . .

Now where does Faheem go? He doesn't have a spot considering imad will bat at 7 . .

Where the team goes horribly wrong is that to deepen the batting, they play Faheem in space of a proper bowler . . and Faheem will get hammered 9/10 times on these pitches . . you won't win by making up the overs . . you will win by playing proper bowlers

So really . . the injury to Shadab and selection of Yasir consequently has left the team with NO option!

Hence in my opinion, the best possible team could be:

1. Imam
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Hafeez (idk about his fitness . . is he good to go?)
6. Sarfaraz
7. Imad (Imad coming in at 140/5 - scary thought!)
8. Hasan
9. Yasir
10. Amir
11. Hasnain

I would play 2 of Hasnain, Amir and Junaid in all the 5 games to see which 2 get to go to the world cup . . and rotate Hasan and Shaheen

Now if Hafeez isn't fit . . and Malik isn't there . . you're even more screwed! Who do you even play? Asif Ali at 6 . . so Asif Ali coming in at 4 down with only Imad to go! . .

QUITE THE PICKLE!
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We will be absolutely fine for scores of 315 on these wickets- with our top 4. Babar and Haris will score most of our runs between them, and they won't be like hafeez and malik- they will be consistent!, so we need a decentish start from the openers, and a decentish finish from Asif Imad and Hasan . I am saying decentish- nothing too taxing.
Its up to the bowlers which is normally our stronger suit to then hold up. (I feel a bowling line up of Shadab, Imad, Hasan, Shaheen with one other is vital for this) We have no replacement for Shadab, so I would go Faheem and give Haris the balance of his overs. This will be better than playing yasir- but ultimately we don't have adequate placement for shadab, so we could go for beyond 320 here, which probably puts us out of the game.

So the best we can hope for is Haris to make enough runs to cement number 4 by the world cup, and imam to either step up/abid to do well. Everything else that happens is almost irrelevant, as we need shadab in the mix to be able to judge this team (rather than faheem/yasir)
 
Fakhar should bat fearlessly, rather than fearfully (like in the first T20I).
 
Imam-ul-Haq
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Sarfaraz Ahmed*+
Asif Ali
Imad Wasim
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah Afridi

Most likely this team, don't see them playing Yasir Shah.
 
1.Abid Ali
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Imam Ul Haq
4.Babar Azam
5.Haris Sohail
6.Sarfraz Ahmed
7.Imad Wasim
8.Yasir Shah
9.Faheem Ashraf
10.Mohammad Hasnain
11.Mohammad Amir

500 on the cards.
 
Our bowling can't defend small targets. That time is gone. Win the toss bowl first. Ideally if we get a target of 300+ it would be better.
Chasing is key here.
 
No matter who win.
I want all five odi to be high scoring this will only do good for pak batsmen
 
If pakistan's spin bowlers (do they even have any ?) have an impact on the game they will have a chance, otherwise England squad in terms of fast bowling and batting is ahead.
 
Pakistan cricket captain Sarfraz Ahmed has admitted that his side would need to improve in the fielding department, as the team prepares to clash against hosts England in the first One Day International (ODI) today at Oval.

“When two good sides are playing against each other then obviously one would need to perform well with bowling and batting, but fielding is a factor that makes the difference. We lacked in the fielding during the only T20 International so we would try to sort this out,” said Sarfraz while speaking to the media.

The skipper was of the view that Pakistan would need to play ‘strong and positive’ cricket against England, which has been on a roll in the limited overs for the past couple of years.

“We have prepared well so we would try to play good cricket in the upcoming five matches, and attain as much confidence before the World Cup. I am hopeful that my side would perform well in the ODI series,” he said

https://www.brecorder.com/2019/05/0...pakistan-need-to-work-on-its-fielding-issues/
 
This series serves as the perfect warm-up for our bowling attack. They will be facing quite possibly the most fearsome batting line-up in world cricket right now, and they should expect some serious damage.

Remains to be seen how the bowlers respond to the ruthless pressure. They may either be battle-hardened for the WC, or crumble completely.
 
Typical British weather will probably kill off today's game. Hopefully the rain won't affect the world cup too much.
 
They should call it off already. It's non stop rain all day here.
 
Will be a washout without a ball bowled, so all those fasting and staying at home today can go back to sleep.
 
Salman said:
They should call it off already. It's non stop rain all day here.
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It seems there's rain until 1 PM but should be fine after . . so given good drainage at the Oval, hopefully we should be able to get a 30 35 over game in . .
 
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