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It doesn't matter if they collapse at the top, in the middle or down the order; all they need is one of those categories in terms of their order to fire and they will win you the game or post a total which can be defended by their bowler's !
 
They can, but they have lost one wicket too many. Root was key, he is the glue that holds the lineup together. Morgan can play that role too, but if he doesn't score 70+ here, Bangladesh will be on their way to Dhaka tomorrow.
 
Don't think they came across the pace attack of the Aussies before, England will lose by at least 50 runs. Stokes, can he do a Shakib? :shakib
 
This is where the "power hitters" need to step up and play a top order innings of quality and temperament. They are definitely capable of doing it but in this pressure situation, it'll be tough.

A lot more Stokes v Shakib threads will be shown if Stokes gets a single digit score or gets a mammoth score.
 
Ever heard of the proverb: Too many cooks spoil the broth.

Against such a good attack you need someone to bat with responsibility and with root gone, I doubt if anyone can take the pressure bar morgan. For Bangla fans sake I hope someone do. :shakib
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Don't think they came across the pace attack of the Aussies before, England will lose by at least 50 runs. Stokes, can he do a Shakib? :shakib
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Stokes is no Shakib that has to be said but their Batting line up is strong enough to avoid relying on him so I still expect them to pull through!
 
aniket1911 said:
Ever heard of the proverb: Too many cooks spoil the broth.

Against such a good attack you need someone to bat with responsibility and with root gone, I doubt if anyone can take the pressure bar morgan. For Bangla fans sake I hope someone do. :shakib
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We don't need that in modern cricket :mv Once England got rid of that philosophy they found success
 
Mamoon said:
They can, but they have lost one wicket too many. Root was key, he is the glue that holds the lineup together. Morgan can play that role too, but if he doesn't score 70+ here, Bangladesh will be on their way to Dhaka tomorrow.
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Even on a bad day they can score 300-310
 
idrizzy said:
This is where the "power hitters" need to step up and play a top order innings of quality and temperament. They are definitely capable of doing it but in this pressure situation, it'll be tough.

A lot more Stokes v Shakib threads will be shown if Stokes gets a single digit score or gets a mammoth score.
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True, it can be done though! and I've seen these boys recover from sticky positions in the past time and time again due to their positive mindset
 
shaz619 said:
Stokes is no Shakib that has to be said but their Batting line up is strong enough to avoid relying on him so I still expect them to pull through!
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Don't think we'll get a full game brother, Aussies are pumped up and not giving anything to the English. Good game though brother, apart from boring Rashid's bowling, everything was fantastic.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Don't think we'll get a full game brother, Aussies are pumped up and not giving anything to the English. Good game though brother, apart from boring Rashid's bowling, everything was fantastic.
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Have faith in the shaz619 ! we got this :akhtar
 
Shaz you cannot create two threads where one you say Stokes to move out and then England have a powerful batting line which includes the strong man Stokes who has taken on a stronger fielding and bowling Impact bro!! :stokes
 
ATM Morgan and Stokes are merrily cruising along. Don't see England losing from here.

So it looks like the Aussies will be heading to Heathrow soon after.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
I am following you like Indians worship Sachin as their God :sachin :bow:
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:))) Don't take it that far brother, bidah police will come look for you; I want a safe and healthy Ashfraful! we need you at 100% for the BD semi final :akhtar
 
They have been playing completely fearless cricket with the bat for a while now. It's a seemingly high risk approach but the placidity of the wickets and the quality of their batsmen is nullifying that risk. You've only got to look back a couple of weeks to see how the strategy comes unstuck on a wicket with a bit in it (6-20 in 5 overs v SA). Here's hoping there's a bit of juice in the SF surface

:asif
 
JaDed said:
Shaz you cannot create two threads where one you say Stokes to move out and then England have a powerful batting line which includes the strong man Stokes who has taken on a stronger fielding and bowling Impact bro!! :stokes
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Move out as in not get out the team but move out as in Shakib is better :shakib Stokes no doubt is world class and I expected England to win this, it has been a long time since they have faltered; they bat very deep and players like Stokes benefit from that cushion
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
hahahaha :yk
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Ashraful_Rox said:
Made the first semi final, wow never expected that. :salute
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I had Eng and SA as my top contenders and Pak/BD as the dark horses before the tournament in the PP CT predictions thread, just need one more of my predictions to come true when SA defeat India and then we can have an astronomical shaz619 column on PP :yk3
 
shaz619 said:
He is my favourite BD poster :))) what a legend, plus it also helps that we're both fans of Ashraful probably the only fans he has on PP :yk
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Mine is Mainul ;) but he is missing these days :)) Bangladesh fans deserve these great moments. What progress!!
Ashraful_Rox said:
Made the first semi final, wow never expected that. :salute
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Congrats man! Thoroughly deserved after yesterday's performance. Was supporting BD as my second team since the beginning of this tourney. Really happy for BD.
 
I´ve been asking myself throughout the tournament as to which team it´ll be that can even attempt to beat this England team, especially their incredibly destructive batting line-up. Australia was one, definitely, but they´ve been pushed aside like nobodies. I can´t see any of the remaining teams being capable of beating them, with South Africa having perhaps a slight chance with the hitters that they posses in the like of de Kock, de Villiers, Miller and Morris - they can only play them in the final though, which´s still some way to go.

The only team that can beat England is their own destructive batting itself, because there´s a very thin line between "destructive" and "Self-destructive". The best bet against them could be them batting first and their batsmen getting greedy for a 360-370+ plus total and in return collapsing for a 310 or 320 - yes, collapsing to that kind of a score. Sometimes it can get worse for them as they end up collapsing for around 200 or just above. In any case, my point is, if they chase and have a total to set their sight on, you can forget defending that, literally. England´s only chance of a downfall could be them not knowing which total to set.

I wonder whether the ODI history itself has ever witnessed a more destructive batting line-up than theirs. Certainly not in my view. India´s one in the World Cup 2011 was very good too for those times mind you.
 
The one-two punch of Morgan and Stokes is in real form at just the right time.

Roy needs some runs - maybe push Root up to open and Bring Bairstow in at #3?

Losing Woakes is a big negative but Wood is bowling well, and I love to see Rashid take wickets. A lot of batters can't read him.
 
This was a fantastic innings by Morgan. Captain's knock, Never bogged down.

Awesome stuff.
 
Only way to beat them is scoring 300 ( which can be scored easily against that attack- wood ain't gonna come back in 30th over and get 2 wickets every time)
Then u need 2 early wickets and a good spinner

In a pressure game they will lose. Yesterday they played stress free
 
Robert said:
The one-two punch of Morgan and Stokes is in real form at just the right time.

Roy needs some runs - maybe push Root up to open and Bring Bairstow in at #3?

Losing Woakes is a big negative but Wood is bowling well, and I love to see Rashid take wickets. A lot of batters can't read him.
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Or have the Beard open and Bairstow at no.5, it's another option. Opening will be more suited to Mo given his experience compared to Root who will be a lot more important at no.3
 
Robert said:
The one-two punch of Morgan and Stokes is in real form at just the right time.

Roy needs some runs - maybe push Root up to open and Bring Bairstow in at #3?

Losing Woakes is a big negative but Wood is bowling well, and I love to see Rashid take wickets. A lot of batters can't read him.
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If we do switch them I think a direct swap would be best, change things up as little as possible.
 
This is Eng's game to lose in final otherwise they look like a team in top gear.
 
DHONI183 said:
I´ve been asking myself throughout the tournament as to which team it´ll be that can even attempt to beat this England team, especially their incredibly destructive batting line-up. Australia was one, definitely, but they´ve been pushed aside like nobodies. I can´t see any of the remaining teams being capable of beating them, with South Africa having perhaps a slight chance with the hitters that they posses in the like of de Kock, de Villiers, Miller and Morris - they can only play them in the final though, which´s still some way to go.

The only team that can beat England is their own destructive batting itself, because there´s a very thin line between "destructive" and "Self-destructive". The best bet against them could be them batting first and their batsmen getting greedy for a 360-370+ plus total and in return collapsing for a 310 or 320 - yes, collapsing to that kind of a score. Sometimes it can get worse for them as they end up collapsing for around 200 or just above. In any case, my point is, if they chase and have a total to set their sight on, you can forget defending that, literally. England´s only chance of a downfall could be them not knowing which total to set.

I wonder whether the ODI history itself has ever witnessed a more destructive batting line-up than theirs. Certainly not in my view. India´s one in the World Cup 2011 was very good too for those times mind you.
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I must add here something that, although I consider their batting line-up capable of chasing anything within the range of 340, what happened against Australia is not going to happen everyday, I mean the way they gunned down a competitive total despite the early collapse. Something like that will be hard to replicate in a must-win situation. As much as Morgan and the think-tank preach about sticking to the attacking style of play, the pressure comes automatically in a knockout game. Early wickets will make them double-minded and even if they still stick to their gains, there will be jitters in its execution.
 
Lets see if they can recover today, though they are not in very bad situation, just 3 for 138 but RR is suffering badly
 
Indian batsmen thrashed these same hasan ali to all over the park. but this England batting is struggling. that's why I said India have far better batting line up.
 
Hmmm [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] I think you are on to something
 
There was a little bit of a recovery today with Stokes hundred although there was a bit of luck as well which helped along the way
 
The lower order batting seems to be the signature facet of this side. Even more so than Anderson and Broad opening the bowling.

It is difficult to think of many teams, in any era, that enjoyed a 6-to-9 lineup at a similar standard to Stokes-Bairstow-Moeen-Woakes.

Even Broad at 10 has a Test ton and two handfuls of fifties to this name, albeit he is less reliable with the bat nowadays.

Good job we have all of this at our disposal as well, because Cook and Root aside the top order is totally village.
 
yes but only at home. when they are in subcontinental condition, they play like minnows. horrible against India recently. almost lost to Bangla as well. I would not rate this batting lineup until they score runs in alien condition.
 
We saw how strong was this batting line up in India. On far easier pitches, they could not score runs. In CT, they could not cross 250 in a knockout game.
 
James said:
The lower order batting seems to be the signature facet of this side. Even more so than Anderson and Broad opening the bowling.

It is difficult to think of many teams, in any era, that enjoyed a 6-to-9 lineup at a similar standard to Stokes-Bairstow-Moeen-Woakes.

Even Broad at 10 has a Test ton and two handfuls of fifties to this name, albeit he is less reliable with the bat nowadays.

Good job we have all of this at our disposal as well, because Cook and Root aside the top order is totally village.
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Yeah, but that still didn't help you against bangladesh :misbah
 
shaz619 said:
They've done it again today :irfan
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It is a legendary batting lineup IMO. Root, Bairstow and Buttler are destined to become ODI greats.

Roy and Hales are dynamic top order batters as well while Morgan is a real clutch big gamer although a bit limited compared to others. Then you have Stokes and Moeen who are good in their all-round role as well.

The bowling is the only weakness for England which can stop this team from becoming a legendary ODI side.
 
Ab Fan said:
It is a legendary batting lineup IMO. Root, Bairstow and Buttler are destined to become ODI greats.

Roy and Hales are dynamic top order batters as well while Morgan is a real clutch big gamer although a bit limited compared to others. Then you have Stokes and Moeen who are good in their all-round role as well.

The bowling is the only weakness for England which can stop this team from becoming a legendary ODI side.
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Their only weakness is dealing with the pressure of a KO game, it has been the Achilles heel of past England teams to; if they can manage to overcome that then there is no reason why they will not reach the World Cup final next year
 
Damn there batting depth is real something. It will be interesting to see how they do in 2019 WC
 
Comparing the team with this depleted aus team is a cheap shot.

India and Pakistan can thrash this batting line up any day.
 
England has the best batting line-up in the world EASILY. No one comes close to these guys. Buttler is honestly the next AB. I just can't get enough of his unorthodox shot selection and raw flare
 
can they do it in an ICC tournie? history says no. England assume just because they are top of the rankings they'll win a tournament. Tournament cricket is a whole different beast. You are not playing the same team again and again. You have to deal with different challenges on different days. Momentum plays a massive role as we have seen in the past. Some might say, well the Aussies were the best and steamrolled everyone in 2003 and 2007. That team had some advantages and India, pakistan got knocked out early in 2007.

Can this england team win a tournament? I dont think so. They have the talent to do it but I can see them getting over their mental hurdles..
 
England is the topmost favorite to win 2019 WC followed by a big gap then the 2nd favorite.
 
Englands batting will flop in world cup semi final or final next year and they wont win anything.
 
Ind or pak are big hurdle for them if they meet this teams in semifinal or final.
Otherwise I can see them beating aus,Nz,RSA in knockout matches like they did In their t20 world cup winning campaign.
 
Firepower is awesome....but are suspect to bad days more often than one would expect...as Scotland just proved few days back
 
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