England's shocking performance in Gabba is a testimony to how good that Indian victory was there

[Rajdeep]

Its called fortress for a reason and why Australia is unbeaten there for last 4 decade's. An English team full of superstars and ATGs got a thorough reality check just about how difficult it is to beat Australia in Gabba.

This just make India's victory there in last summer more and more special. Especially when India played that match with almost all its main players out.

Not only in Gabba but beating Australia in Australia is extremely difficult as our WTC winners New Zealand would tell you. The fact that Indian team won there in two consecutive series proves how much of an herculean effort that was and why its the best test team in planet green earth.

 

[gazza619]

No matter where England play the first test of a series, Gabba, Perth, Lords, Moon, Calcutta, Mars, they are always poor.

My money is still on the fact that England will come back in the series and win it.

 

[ethan hunt]

Someone wants validation.Lol

 

[Major]

There is alreaady a gabba india thread. Where did that even come from. Trying to fix themselves with the Ashes, typical India.

Anways, everyone knows that England has a poor side interms of batting and bowling. Except for Buttler and Root there isnt anyone that could bat. Ben Stokes is playing after 5-6 months

 

[Rajdeep]

Someone wants validation.Lol

For me its the greatest Indian victory ever - better than 1983 or 2011 or even Eden Garden test in 2001 against mighty Aussies.

You simply dont go and humble Australia in Gabba with a bowling attack of Siraj, Natarajan, Shardul and Washington Sundar.

I may also put my neck out and say it is the greatest test victory of all time but that may be debatable.

 

[Major]

This England side isnt full of ATG or superstars. Its a very weak team.

Anyways remember one thing, India was all out for 36 in the same series. England has not sunk that low in Australia in the current ashes

 

[Pakhs]

For me its the greatest Indian victory ever - better than 1983 or 2011 or even Eden Garden test in 2001 against mighty Aussies.

You simply dont go and humble Australia in Gabba with a bowling attack of Siraj, Natarajan, Shardul and Washington Sundar.

I may also put my neck out and say it is the greatest test victory of all time but that may be debatable.

Like I have said many times before India have been doing well in Australia for a very long time now so the victory did not come as a huge surprise. England however have not won a test in Australia in the last decade not just at the Gaba. Australia turn up for the Ashes cricket no matter what even when they lose they perform better than expected and also England test team have been compromised in recent time with their desire to win LOI trophies and move with times.

 

[Ab Fan]

A bit too early for this and honestly England's performance over here doesn't decide how great that win by India was.

The fact that the captain of that team, Rahane has been able to play 80 tests even though he is our worst batter ever to play that many test tells us how significant that win was.

Beating Australia in Australia is a huge achievement and the way India won it, it was no doubt a landmark win and all credit must be given to Rahane, Pant ( humble pies ) and co for delivering such memorable performance. It will be unlikely for these two to produce a knock of that highest quality again or the situation in which it came.

 

[MenInG]

Guess I missed the whole game and it ended today.

 

[pratiktc]

Funny thing is if India had had either of their first choice spinners available they would have probably lost the match because neither is as good a batsman as Sundar.

And Shardul taking 7 wkts in the game with the flukiest bowling of all time

Absolutely bizarre test match. Taking nothing away from Gill, Pujara and Pant who played gutcheck inns under pressure on last day but it was pure luck India took 20 wkts in that game.

 

[U$ofA]

This England side isnt full of ATG or superstars. Its a very weak team.

Anyways remember one thing, India was all out for 36 in the same series. England has not sunk that low in Australia in the current ashes

The Indian side isn't exactly filled with ATG's. In fact the one that won down there had 2nd and 3rd string players.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Gabba was one for the ages, but do we bring it up every time any visiting side crumbles there? I mean I doubt anyone (other than some irrelevant nobody) ever played down significance of that win. But it's a bit pointless to bring it up every time someone else is playing at Gabba.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

You don't need England's poor performance as a proof to justify how good India's win was.

Gabba has been aussies fortress which was breached by India after 32 years. It was a greatest ever test victory for India.

 

[Buffet]

Why do you need any teams' performance as proof? It was one of the best series on Aus shore.

Coming back to the current match, well it has been only one inning so far. Let both sides bat one time before making any judgment about this match.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Match is not over yet. Settle down champ. England can still come back in this match.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

This match is not done. England may still come back and win it. Also Gabba was India's greatest victory in their entire history so can't compare it.

 

[James]

Only been one day. Lol

Australia are hot favourites to take a big win after their stellar bowing performance, but anything can happen in Test cricket.

For what it’s worth, the Gabba is a fortress.

 

[James]

Guess I missed the whole game and it ended today.

Lol exactly. They do 1 day Tests now

 

[Devadwal]

Only been one day. Lol

Australia are hot favourites to take a big win after their stellar bowing performance, but anything can happen in Test cricket.

For what it’s worth, the Gabba is a fortress.

Fortress already breached

 

[Major]

The Indian side isn't exactly filled with ATG's. In fact the one that won down there had 2nd and 3rd string players.

Where in my post did i said india has atg players? Read the op, he had mentioned about england having atg players and getting all out for a low score which is not true. But obviously the post was made to boost the indian team for a win in the past.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol exactly. They do 1 day Tests now

OP loves creating premature threads.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

In order to win this match Australia should make sure that they don't drop catches in the second inning of England.

 

[gazza619]

England could still win this. Bowl out Aussies for 200 odd and then score 300 +

England always start slow.

A very bumpable thread this. I am licking my lips…

 

[Devadwal]

Again, what does pakistan have anything to do with this?

If you call that indias 3rd string team than you admit you were not good enough to win gabba

We already won with 3rd string team .

 

[Major]

We already won with 3rd string team .

thus claiming that it came off a fluke?

 

[JaDed]

I hope you didn’t jinx it and Eng make a comeback

 

[Mamoon]

Beating Australia at Gabba is not harder or easier than beating Australia at any other venue at home.

This current Australian team has nothing to do with the establishment of the Gabba as a so-called fortress, so it is a moot point.

It is like suggesting that Pakistan is hard to beat at Karachi just because players like Imran, Miandad, Wasim, Qadir etc. made the National stadium a fortress.

People give too much importance to the past but quite often it has no relevance to the present.

Gabba or no Gabba, England have a very slim chance in this series because Australia is a significantly stronger Test side especially in Australian conditions.

If you look at the respective sides, only Root, Stokes and Buttler would get into the Australian XI in Australian conditions. It is clearly a mismatch.

England will have to punch above their weight and Australia will have to seriously underperform if England are to win this series.

Nevertheless, as far as India is concerned, they proved that they are the greatest Asian Test side of all time.

The win earlier this year is the most impressive series win by an Asian side in history, even more so than Ganguly’s men humiliating Steve Waugh’s Australia in 2001.

The way India fought back after the 36/9 debacle and didn’t let injuries and other distractions influence them showed that skill and mentality wise, they are above other Asian sides of the past.

 

[leonidas_alexandar]

No matter where England play the first test of a series, Gabba, Perth, Lords, Moon, Calcutta, Mars, they are always poor.

My money is still on the fact that England will come back in the series and win it.

England did win their first Test against India in Chennai by a mammoth margin. It's another matter they promptly lost their next 3 tests but just to point out - they also crushed Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka earlier this year. So, it's a fallacy to assume that they always lose their first test against any opponent.

 

[Technics 1210]

Australia are a different beast vs England.

Vs India it's about IPL contracts, vs England it's about national pride and heritage.

No comparison. Move on.

 

[Kroll]

Relax, its day one.

Hope England sock it to the Aussies. Very unlikeable team the Aussies.

 

[Mahee]

This match proves India is on another level in Test cricket....no comparison even

 

[Devadwal]

Relax, its day one.

Hope England sock it to the Aussies. Very unlikeable team the Aussies.

England is medicore side , period. Apart from root batting is very very weak. Bowling is not good enough for Australian condition .

 

[Mahee]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has been correct all along...the current Indian test team is greatest Asian team of all time.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Why are people saying it's just been one day? Aus have 3 batsmen with 60+ average at home, beating Aus in Aus is nearly impossible.

 

[Giannis]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has been correct all along...the current Indian test team is greatest Asian team of all time.

I wouldn't say all time lol, they lost to New Zealand in the WTC final. I hope that's not Asia's best ever.

 

[Giannis]

I don't believe in these ATG tags. But that reason doesn't make them any less. Almost all Asian teams lost somewhere against some team.

An ATG team should be filled with ATG players and other than Kohli and maybe Sharma the current Indian test team doesn't have any ATGs. Also I would expect an ATG test team to either hold the test mace or win the WTC final.

 

[jnaveen1980]

An ATG team should be filled with ATG players and other than Kohli and maybe Sharma the current Indian test team doesn't have any ATGs. Also I would expect an ATG test team to either hold the test mace or win the WTC final.

Not necessarily. You need ATG unit. You don't have to have even a single ATG player as long as your team win matches regularly around the world.

 

[Giannis]

Not necessarily. You need ATG unit. You don't have to have even a single ATG player as long as your team win matches regularly around the world.

That's what I'm saying, you need multiple ATG players for an ATG unit like the West Indies of the 70s and 80s, Australia of the 90s and 2000s, Pakistan of the 80s and maybe the 90s.

 

[Savak]

I am shocked that England did not learn from India's bowling tactics ie Bharat Aruns ruthless off middle stump relentless bowling with a packed leg side field.

It is a myth that you need pace and height in Australia to succeed. Dry up the Aussie scoring rate and watch them crumble with lbws and lobbing catches to the leg side fielders

 

[Cric1234]

Not necessarily. You need ATG unit. You don't have to have even a single ATG player as long as your team win matches regularly around the world.

A batting line up of Sehwag Dravid Tendulkar Laxman is better than the current one but they had a weak bowling attack.

The only competition would be a Pakistan team of the 80s Sri Lanka have never had a great team Bangladesh are minnows no real competition as far as past teams from Asia.

 

[Buffet]

An ATG team should be filled with ATG players and other than Kohli and maybe Sharma the current Indian test team doesn't have any ATGs. Also I would expect an ATG test team to either hold the test mace or win the WTC final.

Here you go. Holding the mace for such a long period is simply outstanding.



This Indian team is certainly not comparable to the great Aus or WI side, but when it comes to the best Asian team, the debate is long over. They don't need to match the great Aus or WI team.

 

[Devadwal]

A batting line up of Sehwag Dravid Tendulkar Laxman is better than the current one but they had a weak bowling attack.

The only competition would be a Pakistan team of the 80s Sri Lanka have never had a great team Bangladesh are minnows no real competition as far as past teams from Asia.

Wha was the test record of Pakistani team of the 80s?

 

[Buffet]

A batting line up of Sehwag Dravid Tendulkar Laxman is better than the current one but they had a weak bowling attack.

The only competition would be a Pakistan team of the 80s Sri Lanka have never had a great team Bangladesh are minnows no real competition as far as past teams from Asia.

Nah, IK's team had just 1-2 test wins outside Asia. Not getting results in those days was not the reason. More than 50% of tests had results. The retroactive peak rating of the IK's team is also around 110-112 points. That won't rank them as the top team in any era. For example, currently, two teams are rated 120+.

The gap is so huge that I am surprised people still debate it. I guess old-era romanticism comes into play. This team will benefit from the same after 10 years.

 

[Cric1234]

Wha was the test record of Pakistani team of the 80s?

4 series losses all away 1 loss to Windies at home early 80s the rest were wins and draws 10 series wins 5 draws.

 

[Cric1234]

Nah, IK's team had just 1-2 test wins outside Asia. Not getting results in those days was not the reason. More than 50% of tests had results. The retroactive peak rating of the IK's team is also around 110-112 points. That won't rank them as the top team in any era. For example, currently, two teams are rated 120+.

The gap is so huge that I am surprised people still debate it. I guess old-era romanticism comes into play. This team will benefit from the same after 10 years.

There’s no real competition otherwise no team from Asia has been doing well consistently in the past especially outside Asia.

 

[Giannis]

Here you go. Holding the mace for such a long period is simply outstanding.

...
This Indian team is certainly not comparable to the great Aus or WI side, but when it comes to the best Asian team, the debate is long over. They don't need to match the great Aus or WI team.

This kind of misleading, I don't what cut offs they used for these infographics but that isn't accurate.

1. Pakistan held the test mace in 2016 not Australia unless they took it latter on but you can't say one country held it for a whole year if there more than one winners.

2. The ICC now gives the mace with the WTC so India are not the mace holders for 2021, it's New Zealand

 

[Buffet]

There’s no real competition otherwise no team from Asia has been doing well consistently in the past especially outside Asia.

That's the key. It's not as if there was a world-beater Asian team any time.

 

[Buffet]

This kind of misleading, I don't what cut offs they used for these infographics but that isn't accurate.

1. Pakistan held the test mace in 2016 not Australia unless they took it latter on but you can't say one country held it for a whole year if there more than one winners.

2. The ICC now gives the mace with the WTC so India are not the mace holders for 2021, it's New Zealand

I think it is just the end of the year. Anyway, if a team is ranked number one at end of the year for 5 years in stretch then this mace is just symbolic.

 

[jnaveen1980]

A batting line up of Sehwag Dravid Tendulkar Laxman is better than the current one but they had a weak bowling attack.

The only competition would be a Pakistan team of the 80s Sri Lanka have never had a great team Bangladesh are minnows no real competition as far as past teams from Asia.

Batting was superior. But this bowling unit is far superior in all the departments.

 

[Giannis]

I think it is just the end of the year. Anyway, if a team is ranked number one at end of the year for 5 years in stretch then this mace is just symbolic.

So that whole infographic was super misleading and agenda-driven India may have rotated through world #1 spot for a few years with a couple other countries but it was no ATG domination by any measure.

 

[shujaatraza]

Here you go. Holding the mace for such a long period is simply outstanding.

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This Indian team is certainly not comparable to the great Aus or WI side, but when it comes to the best Asian team, the debate is long over. They don't need to match the great Aus or WI team.

This looks like a picture made by a Kohli fan. If I am not wrong then Misbah had it in 2016 for a very brief period. Isn’t NZ the current holders of mace?

 

[jnaveen1980]

This looks like a picture made by a Kohli fan. If I am not wrong then Misbah had it in 2016 for a very brief period. Isn’t NZ the current holders of mace?

https://www.sportsadda.com/cricket/features/icc-test-mace-winners-list-world-test-championship

2020 i don't know who won. 2021 definitely NZ. Not Kohli.

 

[Napa]

No matter where England play the first test of a series, Gabba, Perth, Lords, Moon, Calcutta, Mars, they are always poor.

My money is still on the fact that England will come back in the series and win it.

Quite wrong. In their last series in India, England won the first Test before proceeding to lose the series comprehensively.

 

[Suleiman]

If Bangladesh play there 50 times in the span of 5 years, I’m sure they’ll win at least once too. Broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Napa]

And Shardul taking 7 wkts in the game with the flukiest bowling of all time

Nope, Shardul takes big wickets. The last Test in England which India won, he took the wickets of the 3 English top scorers (including Root in the second innings).

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

If Bangladesh play there 50 times in the span of 5 years, I’m sure they’ll win at least once too. Broken clock is right twice a day.

But Pakistan have been playing continuously there since 90s. So the clock in case of Pakistan is completely dismantled and smashed to bits. Cannot even draw a match let alone winning one.

 

[Romali_rotti]

That's what I'm saying, you need multiple ATG players for an ATG unit like the West Indies of the 70s and 80s, Australia of the 90s and 2000s, Pakistan of the 80s and maybe the 90s.

Errr how is Pakistan of the 80s an all time great side ?. Didn't Imran Khan led side of the 80s only win like 5 test matches total overseas...

 

[Napa]

Australia are a different beast vs England.

Vs India it's about IPL contracts, vs England it's about national pride and heritage.

No comparison. Move on.

Royal Challengers Bangalore must have mistaken Kyle Jamieson, India's nemesis in the World Test Championship, for an Aussie when they gave him the $2 million contract

 

[street cricketer]

That's what I'm saying, you need multiple ATG players for an ATG unit like the West Indies of the 70s and 80s, Australia of the 90s and 2000s, Pakistan of the 80s and maybe the 90s.

Nice try, adding the Pakistani teams into the list

There's a decent gulf between the 80s Windies, the Aussies 90s-2000s to any test team in history, nevermind about Pakistan which have never been at the top for a consistent period of time.

 

[Buffet]

https://www.sportsadda.com/cricket/features/icc-test-mace-winners-list-world-test-championship

2020 i don't know who won. 2021 definitely NZ. Not Kohli.

This is correct. The picture I posted is wrong.

I looked into it and it seems there was no mace given for 2020. Anyway, mace is a random date cut-off. The main thing is how many months you occupied the top spot. If you do it for 40,50 or 60 months then it's simply great. If you do it for 4,5 or 6 months then it is probably the schedule favoring you.

 

[Walawalkar]

Someone wants validation.Lol

Yes After multiple series win down under Indian fans seeking validation from fans whose team yet to draw a test match in Australia since 1995

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Gabbatoir can't be conquered by any random side.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Relax this test match is over imo.

I pick Eng to win in Melbourne with Anderson and Broad back in the line up tying the series..

 

[Varun]

England's bad performances in Australia aren't restricted to the Gabba, unfortunately.

Gabbatoir can't be conquered by any random side.

Yep, it needs some Washington Sundar and Thangarasu Natarajan to bring down the fortress.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

England's bad performances in Australia aren't restricted to the Gabba, unfortunately.



Yep, it needs some Washington Sundar and Thangarasu Natarajan to bring down the fortress.

Also someone needs to play the role of Pant . Maybe ECB can poach Rohail Nazir(125 % of Pant) and bring him to the Gabba in 2025

 

[Swashbuckler]

Gabba breach by third string India was a once in a century event where every single Indian player played well above his potential, including net bowler Natarajan. Even the most die hard Indian cricket fan didn't see that coming. Unfair to compare that with this test or any other test, India won't repeat such a performance in foreseeable future especially with a depleted team.

The previous team to beat Aus in Fortress Gabba was ATG WI with a line up that read: Gordon Greenidge, Desmond Haynes, Richie Richardson, Viv Richards, Carl Hooper, Gus Logie, Jeff Dujon, Malcolm Marshall, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Patrick Patterson

 

[Swashbuckler]

Since 1992 India has an equal record against Aus in Gabba+WACA. 2 wins for each side and 2003 Gabba test being a draw (Ganguly 140). India being one of the rare sides to win in WACA as well as Gabba.

Aus won the Optus test in 2018.

After SA if there is one visiting team that enjoys Aussie conditions, it is India.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Hey we won. Let us move on. We don't have to compare every Gabba test with that test. This is a different series, different match ups.

 

[Mahee]

Only the greatest Asian team, India, can defeat Australia in Australia in a test series....other teams can also do it but in a parallel universe.

 

[giri26]

Relax this test match is over imo.

I pick Eng to win in Melbourne with Anderson and Broad back in the line up tying the series..

The problem for England is not their bowling, their batting is horrible and is not good enough to win a series in Australia. Their other weak link is their spin attack which isn't good to keep a lid on the scoring. Ashwin and Jaedeja did that brilliantly last year. Anderson bowled a brilliant spell in the Adelaide Test last time England were here but they still lost the game. Broad or Anderson cannot turn the tide for England, their batting needs to click and find a way to score independent of Root. Also their spinner cannot go for 10 an over. This sort of free scoring was what India denied the Australian batters.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Since 1992 India has an equal record against Aus in Gabba+WACA. 2 wins for each side and 2003 Gabba test being a draw (Ganguly 140). India being one of the rare sides to win in WACA as well as Gabba.

Aus won the Optus test in 2018.

After SA if there is one visiting team that enjoys Aussie conditions, it is India.

SA players are conditioned to play Pace and Bounce + Swing all day long. It was always the mental side of things they always lacked against Aussies else they should have a lot more.
2018 was the first time Australia lost a series in SA also.

 

[Mamoon]

Australia are a different beast vs England.

Vs India it's about IPL contracts, vs England it's about national pride and heritage.

No comparison. Move on.

So Australia routing India for 36 at Adelaide was what? An exhibition of IPL contracts? Was it not national pride and heritage? Were the Australians not worried about their IPL contracts when they dismissed India for 36?

So had Australia won that series? You would have mocked India for being HTBs and would have celebrated just like you celebrated prematurely when they were dismissed for 36, but now that India won, it is because Australia doesn’t care about beating them because they are worried about their IPL contracts.

The mental gymnastics some people perform and straws they clutch to cover up their embarrassment. Incredible.

 

[Mesozoic]

Although I don't really like this constant need of validation among Indians (South Asians in general), it's really funny to see all the sore grapes in this thread.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Although I don't really like this constant need of validation among Indians (South Asians in general), it's really funny to see all the sore grapes in this thread.

Imagine if Pakistan had won like this. We would not have heard the end of it.
Its our time to rub it in till it lasts

 

[Robert]

This England side isnt full of ATG or superstars. Its a very weak team.

Anyways remember one thing, India was all out for 36 in the same series. England has not sunk that low in Australia in the current ashes

There are two batting stars. Otherwise it’s the worst England batting line in history. It’s also woefully undercooked with no effective practice.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This looks like a picture made by a Kohli fan. If I am not wrong then Misbah had it in 2016 for a very brief period. Isn’t NZ the current holders of mace?

The ICC used to award the team which held the ICC mace at the end of the season. It was in March April.

Misbah held that mace for 1 month in October. Thats all

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.icc-cricket.com/news/626132/amp

For those who need to know how the ICC test mace was awarded before the WTC.

 

[James]

England are having their trademark car crash first Test whilst touring abroad, and it’s even harder to escape unscathed in that chaos mode when the match is against Australia at the Gabba. England will do quite well from here just to make the Aussies bat again. I think they will lose by an innings unfortunately.

 

[Varun]

England are having their trademark car crash first Test whilst touring abroad, and it’s even harder to escape unscathed in that chaos mode when the match is against Australia at the Gabba. England will do quite well from here just to make the Aussies bat again. I think they will lose by an innings unfortunately.

But England won both their first tests of their last 2 away tours - in India and Sri Lanka.

 

[redmaverik84]

Didn't India score 36 in their first test of the Aus tour. Too early to comment on England, wait till after the series is over.