England's shocking performance in Gabba is a testimony to how good that Indian victory was there

[Mesozoic]

South Africa have won 3 consecutive series in Australia. I'm still not convinced Australia are all that, the standard of test cricket in general is awful due to Hugh demand on t20 cricket.

Lol typical sour grapes.

South Africa were an ATG side in 2008 and 2012 when they won in Australia. And India probably have their best test side ever. Just because two absolute gun test sides beat them, doesn't mean they aren't good.

The current saffer side will get pummeled just like the English, Kiwis and Pakistanis.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Lol typical sour grapes.

South Africa were an ATG side in 2008 and 2012 when they won in Australia. And India probably have their best test side ever. Just because two absolute gun test sides beat them, doesn't mean they aren't good.

The current saffer side will get pummeled just like the English, Kiwis and Pakistanis.

Nah no one gets pummelled like Pakistanis. It’s a meme tour for them, full of gaffes.

 

[Mesozoic]

This just proves that an Australian 'B' side with a couple of asterisks are still impossible to beat in their own backyard by any side not named India

That was always a futile argument made out of desperation. That side we beat in 2018/19 would still beat each and every other team convincingly on home soil. Marsh, Khawaja, Handscomb, Head, Paine etc were good enough to put enough runs on the board for their bowling attack.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Imagine what would have happened here if Pat Cummins and Hazelwood were playing this match.

 

[Robert]

I think this is testimony to a bad manager, a tactically inept skipper, and a system that no longer produces test batters.

 

[PakPremi]

Nah no one gets pummelled like Pakistanis. It’s a meme tour for them, full of gaffes.

Are you sure England get good beatings in Australia too, as this series is proving again.

 

[Ab Fan]

England are basically minnow level team led by a tactically inept skipper who does try to inspire his team by scoring 1600 runs in a year, taking 5-fer in a test match and bowling 20 overs like a genuine all-rounder but his teammates have got no shame.

 

[Manunited18]

Lol typical sour grapes.

South Africa were an ATG side in 2008 and 2012 when they won in Australia. And India probably have their best test side ever. Just because two absolute gun test sides beat them, doesn't mean they aren't good.

The current saffer side will get pummeled just like the English, Kiwis and Pakistanis.

Sour grapes for what. Facts are facts, south africa have won their last 3 tours to Australia, it's in plain English

 

[Manunited18]

England are basically minnow level team led by a tactically inept skipper who does try to inspire his team by scoring 1600 runs in a year, taking 5-fer in a test match and bowling 20 overs like a genuine all-rounder but his teammates have got no shame.

Yes, beating this England test team is no great achievement they are a poor side.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Eng losing a home series to a team like NZ was quite telling, Nz like almost always lose all away tours...

Eng's decline has been happening for a while, hope they can get it back on track soon.

 

[Varun]

I think this is testimony to a bad manager, a tactically inept skipper, and a system that no longer produces test batters.

When was the last time England produced a batsman in the Tendulkar/Ponting/Kallis/Lara/Sangakkara class?

 

[Manunited18]

When was the last time England produced a batsman in the Tendulkar/Ponting/Kallis/Lara/Sangakkara class?

David Gower, sir Alister cook

 

[Last Monetarist]

When was the last time England produced a batsman in the Tendulkar/Ponting/Kallis/Lara/Sangakkara class?

Think Root is genuinely a world class player, not as good as Lara or Tendulkar but certainly up there with the rest.

 

[James]

These experiences can be channeled into something meaningful.

The firm internal steps that were taken after the infamously awful 0-5 Pomwash in 06/07 ultimately helped England to become the number one Test side in world cricket.

I’d say that we will need a similarly sized culling of heads and wide ranging enquiry into this currently emerging catastrophe of an Ashes tour in order to turn it into an eventual positive of some kind.

As it stands — Silverwood, Root (as captain), Buttler, Burns, Bairstow, and sadly Anderson (with a packaged testimonial next summer) have all got to be removed from our red ball plans for good.

Start with the upcoming tour of West Indies. New guys, new captain, new team, new backbone. The subsequent improvements to the performances and results may yet take many years, but that’s fine.

 

[MP2011]

That was always a futile argument made out of desperation. That side we beat in 2018/19 would still beat each and every other team convincingly on home soil. Marsh, Khawaja, Handscomb, Head, Paine etc were good enough to put enough runs on the board for their bowling attack.

Its like when we beat Australia, they were tripe and were there to be thrashed by all comers. When Aussies face other teams then they suddenly become a champ team.

So convenient.

 

[Ab Fan]

David Gower, sir Alister cook

Gower is just a VVS and Azharuddin level batsman. He is inferior to Martin Crowe also in my books. KP and Crowe are same level.

Cook is inferior to Gavaskar, Hayden, Smith and Greenidge.

Root is the only one who can be put in the class of ATGs, averages 60 vs the best side of this generation (50 in their backyard) and averages over 39 everywhere. Probably an away Ashes hundred is what seperates him from the elusive ATG tag.

 

[Napa]

South Africa have won 3 consecutive series in Australia. I'm still not convinced Australia are all that, the standard of test cricket in general is awful due to Hugh demand on t20 cricket.

Test cricket in the past 2 decades.



It should be obvious that Australia is far ahead of all other teams other than India.

 

[Manunited18]

Test cricket in the past 2 decades.

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It should be obvious that Australia is far ahead of all other teams other than India.

South Africa's record stands up well, like i said before their last three tours to Australia they have won.

 

[Manunited18]

Its like when we beat Australia, they were tripe and were there to be thrashed by all comers. When Aussies face other teams then they suddenly become a champ team.

So convenient.

India have done well, what I'm trying to say is south Africa eclipsed them by beating Australia in Australia in their last 3 tours.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India have done well, what I'm trying to say is south Africa eclipsed them by beating Australia in Australia in their last 3 tours.

SA vs Aus similar conditions, the same type of ball. It is technically not an alien condition for them. At least in England, they use Duke. Both SA and OZ use Kookaburra. Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Zimbabwe use Kookaburra. India uses SG ball. West Indies and England use Duke ball.

 

[Manunited18]

SA vs Aus similar conditions, the same type of ball. It is technically not an alien condition for them. At least in England, they use Duke. Both SA and OZ use Kookaburra. Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Zimbabwe use Kookaburra. India uses SG ball. West Indies and England use Duke ball.

But never the less it's still a great achievement beating Australia in Australia on three consecutive occasions.

 

[street cricketer]

Lol typical sour grapes.

South Africa were an ATG side in 2008 and 2012 when they won in Australia. And India probably have their best test side ever. Just because two absolute gun test sides beat them, doesn't mean they aren't good.

The current saffer side will get pummeled just like the English, Kiwis and Pakistanis.

A lot of cricket fans don't realise the Saffers were Pakistan Kiwi level bad against the Aussies when they were at their peak. Most sides were terrible against the great Aussies tbf, but sides like India and England at least gave fight to Australia in their home, whereas Saffers like everyone else used to get slaughtered even at home against the great Australian side.

The fortunes of the Saffers improved only after McGrath and Warne hung their boots and Australia started fielding some average attacks like an inconsistent Johnson, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Hastings, Hauritz, Beer, Krejza, Bollinger, etc. The only one who was remotely good was Brett Lee in later part of his career and he himself was not great. Yes the bowling improved in 2016, but still Cummins hadn't become a regular fixture yet and their batting standards dipped now. It'd be interesting to see how South Africa go against a full strength Australian attack consisting of Hazlewood, Cummins, Starc and Lyon.

 

[Ab Fan]

No matter where England play the first test of a series, Gabba, Perth, Lords, Moon, Calcutta, Mars, they are always poor.

<B>My money is still on the fact that England will come back in the series and win</B> it.

Well, well, well!

Would you consider saving any of those money at this point if someone gives you a final chance for that?

 

[Ab Fan]

A lot of cricket fans don't realise the Saffers were Pakistan Kiwi level bad against the Aussies when they were at their peak. Most sides were terrible against the great Aussies tbf, but sides like India and England at least gave fight to Australia in their home, whereas Saffers like everyone else used to get slaughtered even at home against the great Australian side.

The fortunes of the Saffers improved only after McGrath and Warne hung their boots and Australia started fielding some average attacks like an inconsistent Johnson, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Hastings, Hauritz, Beer, Krejza, Bollinger, etc. The only one who was remotely good was Brett Lee in later part of his career and he himself was not great. Yes the bowling improved in 2016, but still Cummins hadn't become a regular fixture yet and their batting standards dipped now. It'd be interesting to see how South Africa go against a full strength Australian attack consisting of Hazlewood, Cummins, Starc and Lyon.

2018 Australia tour to South Africa. The bowling attacks consists of Hazelwood, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and sandpaper.

SA won 3-1

 

[street cricketer]

2018 Australia tour to South Africa. The bowling attacks consists of Hazelwood, Cummins, Starc, Lyon and sandpaper.

SA won 3-1

I was obviously talking about tours of Australia brother.

 

[BreadPakoda]

India was also lucky not to face a renewed Jye Richardson and a full of fire Neser. Instead they faced a zipless and defensive Cummins-Hazlewood duo.

 

[Aman]

India was also lucky not to face a renewed Jye Richardson and a full of fire Neser. Instead they faced a zipless and defensive Cummins-Hazlewood duo.

This England team has lost 9 Tests this year and will finish the year with 10.

This series shows nothing other than just show England are a bad Test team currently.

When India had to win most, they couldn't.

Either way, I'm not going to get carried away by Australia. Their batting still looks pretty vulnerable, however they're still good enough to sweep England 5-0.

 

[street cricketer]

This England team has lost 9 Tests this year and will finish the year with 10.

This series shows nothing other than just show England are a bad Test team currently.

When India had to win most, they couldn't.

Either way, I'm not going to get carried away by Australia. Their batting still looks pretty vulnerable, however they're still good enough to sweep England 5-0.

All this series shows us is that Australia are good enough to sweep 9/10 teams at home.

 

[Devadwal]

 

[Buffet]

All this series shows us is that Australia are good enough to sweep 9/10 teams at home.

+1

IN last 4-5 years.

NZ lost 0-3
Pakistan lost 0-2
SL lost 0-2
Eng lost 0-4 ( again going to repeat it)

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That was a combined loss of 11 tests out of 12 played by 4 teams. Aus is simply a gun team at home. Just because the Indian won there twice, it does not mean Aus is not very strong at home. It is very hard to even draw a test.

 

[Buffet]

Cummins, Josh, Starc, and Lyon at home give Aus one the best bowling attack of their history. Then you add Labu, Smith, and Co. Yeah, Indians overpowered them, but they have a strong batting unit for home conditions. Taken together it is not a surprise that all teams, except India, have lost badly in Aus. In fact, the Indian team surprised me by winning twice. SA earlier won in Aus, but that was a gun SA team as well.

Normal teams have found it hard to beat Aus even when they had a poor team. Right now they have an extremely strong bowling unit and good batting at home to go with it.

 

[Robert]

This Australian side is stronger than the one that lost to India with Green and Carey.

 

[street cricketer]

This Australian side is stronger than the one that lost to India with Green and Carey.

Green played in the India series and there's no evidence to prove Carey is an upgrade on Tim Paine, as England bowlers make every batsman look world class whenever they tour Australia. Case in point, when Shaun Marsh averaged 75 in the last Ashes in Australia while Mitch Marsh averaged 105. Khwaja and Paine himself averaged close to 50 in the Ashes.

 

[BreadPakoda]

This Australian side is stronger than the one that lost to India with Green and Carey.

Agree. Jhye and Neser have been wonderful additions.

 

[Robert]

Green played in the India series and there's no evidence to prove Carey is an upgrade on Tim Paine, as England bowlers make every batsman look world class whenever they tour Australia. Case in point, when Shaun Marsh averaged 75 in the last Ashes in Australia while Mitch Marsh averaged 105. Khwaja and Paine himself averaged close to 50 in the Ashes.

Let’s see what happens by the end of the series. Surely England can’t pick the wrong bowling three tests in a row.

Oh wait, it’s Silverwood.

 

[Manunited18]

All this series shows us is that Australia are good enough to sweep 9/10 teams at home.

South africa have beaten Australia in their last 3 visits to Australia

 

[Manunited18]

Let’s see what happens by the end of the series. Surely England can’t pick the wrong bowling three tests in a row.

Oh wait, it’s Silverwood.

Also Root is not a good captain

 

[BreadPakoda]

Also, England is an unlucky team.

Faces a much stronger Australia rejuvenated by a fresh and young pace attack, gets poor pitches in India that suit Axar Patel, and also loses tosses at times.

 

[James]

Oh wait, it’s Silverwood.

God give me strength, the guy has been out in the media today saying that he would have picked the same bowlers for both of the Test matches, the same XIs, and balanced the side the same both times, and that he wouldn’t have done anything different at the toss in Brisbane. 2-0 down and he has no regrets and no learnings at all. What an absolute buffoon.

We will lose 5-0. Hopefully then the ECB will sack this arrogant and incompetent waste of space.

 

[Devadwal]

South africa have beaten Australia in their last 3 visits to Australia

Southafrica lost at home against australia series after series but same can't be said about india - Australia .

 

[Devadwal]

Also, England is an unlucky team.

Faces a much stronger Australia rejuvenated by a fresh and young pace attack, gets poor pitches in India that suit Axar Patel, and also loses tosses at times.

Lol Virat lost most of Toss against England ( both in England and in india )

 

[MP2011]

This Australian side is stronger than the one that lost to India with Green and Carey.

Yeah, a team without Cummins & Hazlewood is stronger than the one with Cummins & Hazlewood! No wonder you guys keep getting thrashed by Australia whenever you visit their shores.

 

[Robert]

God give me strength, the guy has been out in the media today saying that he would have picked the same bowlers for both of the Test matches, the same XIs, and balanced the side the same both times, and that he wouldn’t have done anything different at the toss in Brisbane. 2-0 down and he has no regrets and no learnings at all. What an absolute buffoon.

We will lose 5-0. Hopefully then the ECB will sack this arrogant and incompetent waste of space.

That was really, really bad PR.

What Einstein said about madness springs to mind.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

God give me strength, the guy has been out in the media today saying that he would have picked the same bowlers for both of the Test matches, the same XIs, and balanced the side the same both times, and that he wouldn’t have done anything different at the toss in Brisbane. 2-0 down and he has no regrets and no learnings at all. What an absolute buffoon.

We will lose 5-0. Hopefully then the ECB will sack this arrogant and incompetent waste of space.

I dont think he said much wrong here. The truth is no lineup England puts up can challenge Australoa in their own backyard. I remember the same posters who were praising Solverwooid after the win in SA were bagging Bayliss left right and centre. And Silverwood's results have been no different to Bayliss' as far as Test results are concerned.

England's issues are not related to coaches/selectors. Just dont have the players to compete in OZ

 

[Devadwal]

The way Australia destroy England in this ashes show why India beating Australia in Aus in 2020-21 ( ofcourse 2018) must rank as arguably greatest overseas test series win .

 

[Mahee]

The way Australia destroy England in this ashes show why India beating Australia in Aus in 2020-21 ( ofcourse 2018) must rank as arguably greatest overseas test series win .

each test series win in Australia for an Asian team is equal to at least 3 ODI world cups... every Asian cricket fan should realize this fact now.

 

[Ab Fan]

From now onwards, the greatness of a team should be decided based on their performance in Australia.

If you win in Australia, you are a great test team. If you don't, you aren't. Martin Crowe's NZ is hence a better team than Kane's NZ while Imran's Pak is clearly inferior to Kohli and Rahane's India.

 

[dildilpak]

Honestly, i gained new respect for the way Indian bowlers & Ajinkya Rahane fought back in last year’s boxing day test after watching the way England folded today - Bumrah blowing off Australia in the first innings & Rahane’s century in MCG on a spicy pitch after suffering the worst loss ever a few days before (36 all out) is legendary stuff. If only England had half the spine that India had shown that day, they would have acquitted themselves far better.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Indian side that won in Aus has to be the 3rd greatest test side of all time after WI of the 80s, Australia of the late 90s & 2000s.... Indian legacy is stamped and sealed as the 3rd greatest test side of all time.. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right all along...

 

[Suleiman]

But Pakistan have been playing continuously there since 90s. So the clock in case of Pakistan is completely dismantled and smashed to bits. Cannot even draw a match let alone winning one.

Not anywhere close to how many times India has toured Australia since 2011.

 

[Napa]

Sour grapes for what. Facts are facts, south africa have won their last 3 tours to Australia, it's in plain English

Interestingly, since SA rejoined Test cricket in the early 1990s, Australia has visited 8 times. It has won 5 series, drawn 2 and lost only 1. SA has visited Australia 7 times, won 3 series, drawn 1 series and lost 3 series.

Seems like Australia and SA both do well when visiting, but Australia does a bit better. Maybe because they are both Southern Hemisphere teams.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=2;type=team

 

[Unleashed]

I'm always amazed at people of this website undermining wins in Australia.

Most of you support a team who don't even draw in Australia for god's sake

But then again delusion/hate makes people think very weirdly.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Not anywhere close to how many times India has toured Australia since 2011.

Excuses excuses. Pakistan is supposed land off fast bowlers and a pace bowling factory.
No excuses should be coming from them.They just cannot take 20 wickets to win a test match there.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Australia is a formidable test side. They have 6 players, all of whom would be automatic entry in any test team except India. Warner, Smith, Labuschagne, Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc are all incredible players in every single format (well not Labuschagne yet maybe).

I don't think any other team can even draw a series in Australia, let alone win. Labuschagne and Cummins are obliterating opposition atm. What India did is unbelievable

 

[Manunited18]

Australia is a formidable test side. They have 6 players, all of whom would be automatic entry in any test team except India. Warner, Smith, Labuschagne, Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc are all incredible players in every single format (well not Labuschagne yet maybe).

I don't think any other team can even draw a series in Australia, let alone win. Labuschagne and Cummins are obliterating opposition atm. What India did is unbelievable

Formidable? That would mean strong in all conditions.

Australia have failed to win a series in England since 2001.

Australia have not beaten India in India for ages.

Australia have failed to beat pakistan in
the uae in the last decade.

Conclusion, A very good side at home who struggle away.

 

[MP2011]

Australia is a formidable test side. They have 6 players, all of whom would be automatic entry in any test team except India. Warner, Smith, Labuschagne, Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc are all incredible players in every single format (well not Labuschagne yet maybe).

I don't think any other team can even draw a series in Australia, let alone win. Labuschagne and Cummins are obliterating opposition atm. What India did is unbelievable

This. All other teams are getting thrashings of their lives there and we won a series there after being dismissed for 36, with our captain leaving the sinking ship, so many injuries to the main players, Australia at its full strength!

That Australia series win is as satisfactory as WC '83 win with both wins coming against all odds.

 

[pratiktc]

I think Pakistan has a huge mental block in Aus. Even their board/management doesn't have even minimal winning expectation there, that's why they play random guys like Musa et al.

Any Pak captain who goes to Aus and even competes decently (i.e. bowls Aus out for under 350 in atleast 1-2 first inns of series, scores 250+ in first inns 1-2 times) will probably be given unofficial pat on back.

Babar and co. probably don't have the skillsets and squad to beat Australia but atleast if they can try and break this mentality it will be a positive.

 

[uppercut]

This. All other teams are getting thrashings of their lives there and we won a series there after being dismissed for 36, with our captain leaving the sinking ship, so many injuries to the main players, Australia at its full strength!

That Australia series win is as satisfactory as WC '83 win with both wins coming against all odds.

Indeed !! Even a Bollywood script writer would not be able to script a more outrageous and unrealistic story line. That series last year is worthy of a Mega Bollywood epic( NO script writer needed to embellish or prop-up anything !!). I watched every single minute of it and is one of my most fond cricketing memories that spans many decades. I attained Cricketing Nirvana that day.

Coming back to the OP ... I think what he is saying is that given all the usual bile driven attempts to undermine India's achievements a 5-ZIP Ashes thrashing will completely and forever shut up even the most dogged one-eyed of those unbelievers on what India managed.

TLDR: People simply do not understand what it takes to just compete in Australia(Forget winning). Either that or the unreal hate for India makes their Cerebral matter to go numb and the backside starts to fill in the void.