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Ertugrul: Turkish TV serials are a big hit in Pakistan

The person with an identity crisis is you, and other "Muslim" liberals. You are not sure if you want to Identify with Islam, and since you live in a Muslim majority country, the idea of being a secular or cultural or liberal Muslim is alien too you. So you think that others must be confused. And therefore anyone who is religious is deemed "Arab". And liberals will mention Sufis even though they have very little knowledge of what they actually preached, and they will mention civilizations like the Indus even though they have zero knowledge about them and would not be able to mention one King of that civilization or what they actually contributed to modern day Pakistan, and the worst thing is you hold Muslims to different standards than every other group.

Your second problem is that you like right wing Indians have deemed Muslims who came and settled in the subcontinent from Central Asia, Afghanistan, and to a lesser degree Iran and Arabia, as perpetual foreigners. This is why you made the absurd statement that Muslims of Subcontinent have no achievements. So the architecture, the poetry, the cuisine, the literature, art, etc that all the various Muslim empires produced is foreign. You cant accept the idea that Muslims who settled in the subcontinent assimilated the other local Muslims into there culture, and together they created a new civilization, which had elements from both Islamic culture, Persian culture, as well as local subcontinent culture.

This would be the equivalent of people in England saying that because Anglo-Saxons invaded, Westminster Abbey and Palace of Westminster is not part of there heritage. Or because the Normans invaded the Tower of London and Canterbury Cathedral is not part of there heritage. Or because the Romans invaded Hardians Wall and Bath is not part of there heritage. And that they want to go back to the culture that existed before the Romans arrived. And they want to rename England, which is a name from the Anglo Saxons, and get rid of the English language and go back to the language before they all came.

But people in England like all sane people, don't view invaders and settlers as perpetual foreigners. They accept that there culture has many influences.


Last point one is forcing anyone to watch Etrgul. You are free to make your own show about the Indus Valley Civilization. However you are not entitled to stop others from watching what they want because you don't like it.

Nailed it. Pakistanis are watching Ertugrul because of its depiction of Islamic values not Arab or Ottoman values. It is a simple concept which some of our insecure/confused folk fail to understand. They are easily swayed by ethno/nationalist trappings whereas Islam emancipates mankind.
 
Pakistani's going ga-ga over a fictional religious drama which focuses on the Turkish nostalgia for a long-lost empire. Why am I not surprised. Probably the only nation in the world that glorifies its invaders and takes pride in foreign invasions.

Unfortunately, Pakistani people are unable to forge an identify of their own. They started off aping Saudi culture and now are trying to ape Turkish culture.

You have a poor understanding of history and the world. Just like your comment about "pakistanis and indians being the most racist on the globe", you tend to speak in generalities that aren't rooted in facts. You want to have a discussion about history and culture, I'm down however if you're going to resort to ad hominem like every other pseudo-liberal from Pakistan then a discussion is futile.
 
You have a poor understanding of history and the world. Just like your comment about "pakistanis and indians being the most racist on the globe", you tend to speak in generalities that aren't rooted in facts. You want to have a discussion about history and culture, I'm down however if you're going to resort to ad hominem like every other pseudo-liberal from Pakistan then a discussion is futile.

Pakistani's/Indians are the most racist people in the world and there is no doubt about it.

Let's have a discussion about history/culture. When was this region ever part of the Ottoman Empire?

What is with this Pakistani obsession with importing foreign ideologies, heroes and history when it comes to shaping the contours of nationalism in the country?

Also, you want to talk about history and culture. The show is mostly fiction. If Pakistani's are so obsessed with actual history and culture let's talk about the facts about the Ottoman empire during this time and after it.

Have you heard about the Tanzimat period under the Ottoman leadership? This is when religious laws were replaced by more secular laws. Also, this is when the Ottoman leadership decriminalized homosexuality. Regardless, this happened much later even in the beginning the Ottoman empire ruled over mostly Christian dominated areas.

When the Ottoman empire came into its own and started growing it wasn't an "Islamic Caliphate" even though it is referred to as such. It was a mix of Turkic Central Asian, Islamic and Christian traditions. Neither Sharia nor the Ulema were ever at the helm of the Ottoman empire.Islam gained prominence in the empire only after traditionally Islamic territories were appropriated in the sixteenth century. Prior to this, the rulers favored a heterodox form of Islam

So how do Pakistani's define their nationalism and culture by linking it back to the Ottoman Empire when they had nothing in common with this empire. The delusions are fueled by stories of fiction about the great saviors of Islam whereas the reality is that these rulers were secular and modern even for their own time which is something Pakistan can never become.
 
The worst thing Imran Khan has done is shoved this drama down Pakistanis’ throats. There is so much violence and gore. There are scenes of beheading and other types of violence. Families with their little children watch this show every night with much zeal.

As if there wasn’t much violence and hatred for minorities already in this country, this drama is brainwashing young souls into believing that war is glory and the sword is honourable.

It reminds of me Zia’s era and how he used the guise of religion to extend his rule and power.
 
Wonder if the show will get even more views now due to Hagia Sophia. Nielsen ratings needed here..
 
The worst thing Imran Khan has done is shoved this drama down Pakistanis’ throats. There is so much violence and gore. There are scenes of beheading and other types of violence. Families with their little children watch this show every night with much zeal.

As if there wasn’t much violence and hatred for minorities already in this country, this drama is brainwashing young souls into believing that war is glory and the sword is honourable.

It reminds of me Zia’s era and how he used the guise of religion to extend his rule and power.

Like Game of Thrones. Yet no liberal complained about that show.
 
The worst thing Imran Khan has done is shoved this drama down Pakistanis’ throats. There is so much violence and gore. There are scenes of beheading and other types of violence. Families with their little children watch this show every night with much zeal.

As if there wasn’t much violence and hatred for minorities already in this country, this drama is brainwashing young souls into believing that war is glory and the sword is honourable.

It reminds of me Zia’s era and how he used the guise of religion to extend his rule and power.

how has he shoved it down Pakistanis throats, its up to the person to watch it - as you indicated they watch it as a family - its down to the parents to allow thr kids to watch it,

Ive watched a few episodes and its seems a 12a- which means its fine for kids if thr parents/ guardians are with them watching it - but 12a rating doesn't exist in Pakistan
 
Like Game of Thrones. Yet no liberal complained about that show.

How many children as young as five watch GOT?Is GOT as accessible as Ertugral? Is GOT portrayed as an element of religion? Pakistanis believe watching Ertugral gives them sawaab and ajar!
 
how has he shoved it down Pakistanis throats, its up to the person to watch it - as you indicated they watch it as a family - its down to the parents to allow thr kids to watch it,

Ive watched a few episodes and its seems a 12a- which means its fine for kids if thr parents/ guardians are with them watching it - but 12a rating doesn't exist in Pakistan

When your PM requests the public to watch it and then goes onto tell the state broadcaster to dub it in Urdu using public money and then broadcasts the show every night on state TV, by all definitions, it is shoving down your throats!
 
Just finished watching all seasons of Erturugul. Binge watched the entire thing almost, Loved every bits of it. I think almost 99% of pakistanis have watched some part of it by now.
 
How many children as young as five watch GOT?Is GOT as accessible as Ertugral? Is GOT portrayed as an element of religion? Pakistanis believe watching Ertugral gives them sawaab and ajar!

Who has ever said or even implied that? Can you give just one single example where someone from Pakistan has hinted that watching this show is sawaab or a religious duty?


It’s a good show, that why it’s popular. The show even has popularity among non-Muslims especially in South America.
 
Who has ever said or even implied that? Can you give just one single example where someone from Pakistan has hinted that watching this show is sawaab or a religious duty?


It’s a good show, that why it’s popular. The show even has popularity among non-Muslims especially in South America.

Have you seen how rabidly Pakistanis have attacked people who have said they disliked the drama or they didn’t watch the drama? Thousands of hate comments. And some said it was a blasphemy.
 
Have you seen how rabidly Pakistanis have attacked people who have said they disliked the drama or they didn’t watch the drama? Thousands of hate comments. And some said it was a blasphemy.

You are just a serial moaner.
 
The worst thing Imran Khan has done is shoved this drama down Pakistanis’ throats. There is so much violence and gore. There are scenes of beheading and other types of violence. Families with their little children watch this show every night with much zeal.

As if there wasn’t much violence and hatred for minorities already in this country, this drama is brainwashing young souls into believing that war is glory and the sword is honourable.

It reminds of me Zia’s era and how he used the guise of religion to extend his rule and power.

Not only is he forcing it down our throats, he is trying to convince the nation that it has educational value and is an accurate depiction of Islamic history.

But we all know that he doesn’t trust or believe a word that he says. He is doing all of this to appease his war criminal friend Erdogan.
 
Have you seen how rabidly Pakistanis have attacked people who have said they disliked the drama or they didn’t watch the drama? Thousands of hate comments. And some said it was a blasphemy.

This nightmare is not going to be over soon because Javed Afridi is jumping on the bandwagon and Ertugrul will be forced down our throats in the PSL as well.

These actors must be laughing at us. Our identity crisis has made them about 10x more money than they would have anticipated.
 
This nightmare is not going to be over soon because Javed Afridi is jumping on the bandwagon and Ertugrul will be forced down our throats in the PSL as well.

These actors must be laughing at us. Our identity crisis has made them about 10x more money than they would have anticipated.

Qmobile has already signed Halime and JA is also in the process of getting her to be the brand ambassador of Peshawar Zalmi.

These average Turkish film stars are laughing their way to the bank due to our identity crisis. They had never imagined in their wildest dreams that they would be loved this much in a faraway land than in their own country. No wonder, they are pandering to us Pakistanis now by saying good things about us and how they cannot wait to visit us all!

It is shocking to see Pakistanis how they curse their own actresses but heap praises on Halime.
 
The worst thing Imran Khan has done is shoved this drama down Pakistanis’ throats. There is so much violence and gore. There are scenes of beheading and other types of violence. Families with their little children watch this show every night with much zeal.

As if there wasn’t much violence and hatred for minorities already in this country, this drama is brainwashing young souls into believing that war is glory and the sword is honourable.

It reminds of me Zia’s era and how he used the guise of religion to extend his rule and power.

If families are watching with their children, then that is not Imran Khan's resposibility is it? I's down to the parents.

I have not watched the show nor do I plan to as I don't have enough time in the day to catch up on it but I do agree that IK has gone a bit OTT with recommending it to the nation - however, I don't agree with your view that it leads people to believe that sword is honourable - this show is a history lesson - does this mean we should stop watching all historic war films? Stop teaching about wars in school?
 
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The worst thing Imran Khan has done is shoved this drama down Pakistanis’ throats. There is so much violence and gore. There are scenes of beheading and other types of violence. Families with their little children watch this show every night with much zeal.

As if there wasn’t much violence and hatred for minorities already in this country, this drama is brainwashing young souls into believing that war is glory and the sword is honourable.

It reminds of me Zia’s era and how he used the guise of religion to extend his rule and power.

If families are watching with their children, then that is not Imran Khan's resposibility is it? I's down to the parents.

I have not watched the show nor do I plan to as I don't have enough time in the day to catch up on it but I do agree that IK has gone a bit OTT with recommending it to the nation - however, I don't agree with your view that it leads people to believe that war or sword is honourable - this show is a history lesson - going by your views, does this mean we should stop watching all historic war films? Stop teaching about wars in school?
 
When your PM requests the public to watch it and then goes onto tell the state broadcaster to dub it in Urdu using public money and then broadcasts the show every night on state TV, by all definitions, it is shoving down your throats!

The Prime Minister can recommend TV Shows, there is no law against that. And Ertugrul had great TV ratings in Pakistan, so whatever money they spent on the rights of the show, they have more than made up in revenue. So if you dont like it dont watch it.
 
Qmobile has already signed Halime and JA is also in the process of getting her to be the brand ambassador of Peshawar Zalmi.

These average Turkish film stars are laughing their way to the bank due to our identity crisis. They had never imagined in their wildest dreams that they would be loved this much in a faraway land than in their own country. No wonder, they are pandering to us Pakistanis now by saying good things about us and how they cannot wait to visit us all!

It is shocking to see Pakistanis how they curse their own actresses but heap praises on Halime.

So you are not allowed to watch TV shows of other cultures? I watched the Tudors, was i not allowed to do that? I have cousins who watch Korean dramas, are they not allowed to do that?

And for your information Turkish TV shows are popular all over the world. Ertgrul is popular in other Muslim countries, as well as Latin American countries as well.

President of Venezuela is "super fan" of the show.

https://www.dailysabah.com/arts-cul...tes-producer-for-a-joint-project-in-venezuela
 
Not only is he forcing it down our throats, he is trying to convince the nation that it has educational value and is an accurate depiction of Islamic history.

But we all know that he doesn’t trust or believe a word that he says. He is doing all of this to appease his war criminal friend Erdogan.

Only ignorant people who have no knowledge about Islamic History would pretend that Islam is a pacifist religion. It absolutely should be today, but historically it was not.
 
If families are watching with their children, then that is not Imran Khan's resposibility is it? I's down to the parents.

I have not watched the show nor do I plan to as I don't have enough time in the day to catch up on it but I do agree that IK has gone a bit OTT with recommending it to the nation - however, I don't agree with your view that it leads people to believe that sword is honourable - this show is a history lesson - does this mean we should stop watching all historic war films? Stop teaching about wars in school?

People like him must believe that playing video games leads to violence.
 
Which family was watching that show with their little children, absolute bad parenting if that's the case.

I haven't watched Ertugrul, but if its violent then parents should be responsible to make sure there children dont watch it. Its pretty arrogant for some of these posters to complain about what shows other people watch with their families. Its none of their business.
 
If families are watching with their children, then that is not Imran Khan's resposibility is it? I's down to the parents.

I have not watched the show nor do I plan to as I don't have enough time in the day to catch up on it but I do agree that IK has gone a bit OTT with recommending it to the nation - however, I don't agree with your view that it leads people to believe that sword is honourable - this show is a history lesson - does this mean we should stop watching all historic war films? Stop teaching about wars in school?

The issue is the underlying element of the drama that is problematic. The show is based on Islam and it is shown that Islam and violence are synonymous. In am extremist country like Pakistan, this is the ammunition and encouragement people need to commit violent acts.
 
The Prime Minister can recommend TV Shows, there is no law against that. And Ertugrul had great TV ratings in Pakistan, so whatever money they spent on the rights of the show, they have more than made up in revenue. So if you dont like it dont watch it.

Which other PM has recommended a show to the masses?
 
So you are not allowed to watch TV shows of other cultures? I watched the Tudors, was i not allowed to do that? I have cousins who watch Korean dramas, are they not allowed to do that?

And for your information Turkish TV shows are popular all over the world. Ertgrul is popular in other Muslim countries, as well as Latin American countries as well.

President of Venezuela is "super fan" of the show.

https://www.dailysabah.com/arts-cul...tes-producer-for-a-joint-project-in-venezuela

Please read my post again. Please understand the definition of identity crisis.
 
The issue is the underlying element of the drama that is problematic. The show is based on Islam and it is shown that Islam and violence are synonymous. In am extremist country like Pakistan, this is the ammunition and encouragement people need to commit violent acts.

Nonsense. So you are telling me ppl in Pak will start to pick up swords & run riot on horses?. If you are going to use this obsurd logic, then we should stop watching movies full stop. It seems you have an issue because it is a show based historic Muslims.
 
Nonsense. So you are telling me ppl in Pak will start to pick up swords & run riot on horses?. If you are going to use this obsurd logic, then we should stop watching movies full stop. It seems you have an issue because it is a show based historic Muslims.

While no one will run with swords as such but it has a different influence.

This is from an Indian perspective only but I do fault Ramayana(TV series) coming on national television as the reason for quickening the demolition of Babri Masjid.(there are other reasons as well).

Now the creators had no intention as such and it was a very well done series in 80's but just came at a wrong time. I think you are thinking from an English pov and how educated the masses are over there.
 
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Which other PM has recommended a show to the masses?

Obama gave book recommendations every year as President. Thats like the same concept as a TV show, and considering how most Pakistanis dont read, it makes sense if you will give a recommendation its a tv show and not a movie.
 
Please read my post again. Please understand the definition of identity crisis.

Yea i got it. I dont see how watching a TV show on Ottoman Empire, will make Pakistanis think of that as their culture. The only people who think that are right wing Hindus and Far Left Muslims. Pakistanis obviously identify with subcontinent Muslims, as that's who they are. But since they are Muslims, they would be interested in other Muslim cultures as well. If there was a show on African Muslims, there would be interest for that too.

The real problem is that like right wing Indians, far left Subcontinent Muslims, have deemed Muslims who came and settled in the subcontinent from Central Asia, Afghanistan, and to a lesser degree Iran and Arabia, as perpetual foreigners. So the architecture, the poetry, the cuisine, the literature, art, etc that all the various Muslim empires produced is foreign. You cant accept the idea that Muslims who settled in the subcontinent assimilated the other local Muslims into there culture, and together they created a new civilization, which had elements from both Islamic culture, Persian culture, as well as local subcontinent culture.

This would be the equivalent of people in England saying that because Anglo-Saxons invaded, Westminster Abbey and Palace of Westminster is not part of there heritage. Or because the Normans invaded the Tower of London and Canterbury Cathedral is not part of there heritage. Or because the Romans invaded Hardians Wall and Bath is not part of there heritage. And that they want to go back to the culture that existed before the Romans arrived. And they want to rename England, which is a name from the Anglo Saxons, and get rid of the English language and go back to the language before they all came.

But people in England like all sane people, don't view invaders and settlers as perpetual foreigners. They accept that there culture has many influences.
 
Obama gave book recommendations every year as President. Thats like the same concept as a TV show, and considering how most Pakistanis dont read, it makes sense if you will give a recommendation its a tv show and not a movie.

IK also regularly gives book recommendations through his Twitter. Last time he recommended a book it flew off the shelves and was unavailable every where. Most of his recommendations are related to Islamic history, philosophy etc which obviously the liberal brigade despise.
 
The issue is the underlying element of the drama that is problematic. The show is based on Islam and it is shown that Islam and violence are synonymous. In am extremist country like Pakistan, this is the ammunition and encouragement people need to commit violent acts.

This drama was much needed. Our nation was just wasting their time on tik tok, pubg and bollywood nach gana. This show has reminded them of their past, their roots and that is why it has gained such popularity.

Your issue is with Islam so I can understand your reservations.
 
I have recently started watching it in Urdu on YouTube. I am on Season 1 Episode 50. Quite enjoying show, although saw some mistakes. But it is a breath of fresh air from typical Pakistani dramas which are really bad.

Must applaud its dubbing by PTV, its very professional. I was not expecting PTV will do such a good job in dubbing, at least one area where the merit is still the main factor.
 
The issue is the underlying element of the drama that is problematic. The show is based on Islam and it is shown that Islam and violence are synonymous. In am extremist country like Pakistan, this is the ammunition and encouragement people need to commit violent acts.

Wrong. This isn't a show about all Islamic history.

Its a show about a very specific tribe in Turkey that went on to found the Ottoman empire - one of the mightiest and longest lasting dynasties in the history of the world, and therefore inherently accepting of violence.

The show is incorrectly framed as a 'history of Islam'- there is absolutely no history on Islam. The tribe it is about just happens to be Muslim. The show is about the history the Ottoman's / Turkey

Islam has a 1400+ year history and has encompassed tens of billions of people. Not about one-tribe
 
Its a strange show yet one of my favourites. The dialogues and etiquettes are very interesting to watch, the constant conspiracies keep you on the edge of your seat and the halal love stories keep people invested in the fate of the characters.

However the acting is dire, the storylines repetitive and the action scenes are poor. Still, its gripped the whole world through its themes of honesty, justice chivalry and sacrifice. Its a show that can be watched with all the family.

I see no real issue with Pakistanis loving the show. Its better than what has been produced by the majority of the Pakistani film/cinema and its a welcome distraction from bollywood nonsense of Pakistans neighbour and enemies.

The moral principles resonate more with a Pakistani audience than a western show would too.

In the UK people went crazy over money heist ( spanish) and go crazy over Hollywood (American) and its quite normal for people to appreciate the culture of others.

Its ridiculous for a prime minister to champion it though I'll give you that!
 
I thought of watching the show but it has like 150 episodes with each episode being an hour long.

Seriously. Even in corona who has that time?
 
IK also regularly gives book recommendations through his Twitter. Last time he recommended a book it flew off the shelves and was unavailable every where. Most of his recommendations are related to Islamic history, philosophy etc which obviously the liberal brigade despise.

I am not religious, but i will order that book to stick it to them. Will also add a copy of Pakistan: A Personal History by Imran Khan.
 
I am not religious, but i will order that book to stick it to them. Will also add a copy of Pakistan: A Personal History by Imran Khan.

Don't waste time on that book by Imran Khan. Bland style. He took help from an Indian pseudo historian and BJP member ( MJ AKbar ) for Pakistani history, so you can guess the intellectual depth.
 
Wrong. This isn't a show about all Islamic history.

Its a show about a very specific tribe in Turkey that went on to found the Ottoman empire - one of the mightiest and longest lasting dynasties in the history of the world, and therefore inherently accepting of violence.

The show is incorrectly framed as a 'history of Islam'- there is absolutely no history on Islam. The tribe it is about just happens to be Muslim. The show is about the history the Ottoman's / Turkey

Islam has a 1400+ year history and has encompassed tens of billions of people. Not about one-tribe

It's not even based on the tribe as there are not enough sources to document the man's life into a chronicle like they have done for the show. It is mostly fictional.
 
I thought of watching the show but it has like 150 episodes with each episode being an hour long.

Seriously. Even in corona who has that time?


The PM of Pakistan apparently.
 
Nonsense. So you are telling me ppl in Pak will start to pick up swords & run riot on horses?. If you are going to use this obsurd logic, then we should stop watching movies full stop. It seems you have an issue because it is a show based historic Muslims.

It will definitely promote extremist thought.
 
This drama was much needed. Our nation was just wasting their time on tik tok, pubg and bollywood nach gana. This show has reminded them of their past, their roots and that is why it has gained such popularity.

Your issue is with Islam so I can understand your reservations.

The drama is fictional! How does it remind Pakistanis of their past? Even if it was factual, those feats were by Turks, not by Pakistanis!
 
This drama was much needed. Our nation was just wasting their time on tik tok, pubg and bollywood nach gana. This show has reminded them of their past, their roots and that is why it has gained such popularity.

Your issue is with Islam so I can understand your reservations.

lol you can't be serious. What a daddu abu post this is. I can't stop laughing.

How does a fictional show about a Turkish tribe remind the people of Pakistan about their past?
 
Yea i got it. I dont see how watching a TV show on Ottoman Empire, will make Pakistanis think of that as their culture. The only people who think that are right wing Hindus and Far Left Muslims. Pakistanis obviously identify with subcontinent Muslims, as that's who they are. But since they are Muslims, they would be interested in other Muslim cultures as well. If there was a show on African Muslims, there would be interest for that too.

The real problem is that like right wing Indians, far left Subcontinent Muslims, have deemed Muslims who came and settled in the subcontinent from Central Asia, Afghanistan, and to a lesser degree Iran and Arabia, as perpetual foreigners. So the architecture, the poetry, the cuisine, the literature, art, etc that all the various Muslim empires produced is foreign. You cant accept the idea that Muslims who settled in the subcontinent assimilated the other local Muslims into there culture, and together they created a new civilization, which had elements from both Islamic culture, Persian culture, as well as local subcontinent culture.

This would be the equivalent of people in England saying that because Anglo-Saxons invaded, Westminster Abbey and Palace of Westminster is not part of there heritage. Or because the Normans invaded the Tower of London and Canterbury Cathedral is not part of there heritage. Or because the Romans invaded Hardians Wall and Bath is not part of there heritage. And that they want to go back to the culture that existed before the Romans arrived. And they want to rename England, which is a name from the Anglo Saxons, and get rid of the English language and go back to the language before they all came.

But people in England like all sane people, don't view invaders and settlers as perpetual foreigners. They accept that there culture has many influences.

This shows how out of touch with reality you really are! Pakistanis have always distanced themselves from their subcontinental roots. First, they looked towards Arabs and tried to emulate their lifestyle but Pakistanis were humiliated and disowned by Arabs. Now, they want to emulate the Turks! I am pretty sure Pakistanis will again face humiliation!

I can guarantee you if there was a show on African Muslims, no Pakistani would watch it!!
 
lol you can't be serious. What a daddu abu post this is. I can't stop laughing.

How does a fictional show about a Turkish tribe remind the people of Pakistan about their past?

Can you please make Pakistanis understand that feats or achievements by Arabs and Turks do not mean feats by Pakistanis!

I dare Pakistanis to say that are proud of conquering Spain to an Arab.
 
Wrong. This isn't a show about all Islamic history.

Its a show about a very specific tribe in Turkey that went on to found the Ottoman empire - one of the mightiest and longest lasting dynasties in the history of the world, and therefore inherently accepting of violence.

The show is incorrectly framed as a 'history of Islam'- there is absolutely no history on Islam. The tribe it is about just happens to be Muslim. The show is about the history the Ottoman's / Turkey

Islam has a 1400+ year history and has encompassed tens of billions of people. Not about one-tribe

It is shown as being based on Islam while it is NOT. It is all fiction!
 
It will definitely promote extremist thought.

Change of tune now I see.

The show has been running for how long? Millions & millions have watched it so far - have not heard of a single person that has been inspired to commit violence by this. Stop scaremongering man.
 
It is shown as being based on Islam while it is NOT. It is all fiction!

Again, I don't understand what you mean by 'based on Islam'

The characters are Muslims, but the show is about the origins of the Ottoman Empire. The characters are practicing Muslims, but that doesn't mean the show is 'based on Islam'
 
The drama is fictional! How does it remind Pakistanis of their past? Even if it was factual, those feats were by Turks, not by Pakistanis!

lol you can't be serious. What a daddu abu post this is. I can't stop laughing.

How does a fictional show about a Turkish tribe remind the people of Pakistan about their past?

I know its fictional but values promoted in this drama appeal to all Muslims, even to conservative non Muslims. Pakistanis have a strong sense of Islamic identity and that is the reason behind this drama's popularity. When they hear Ertugrul giving salam and see him praying, they do not see a Turk but a Muslim brother.

Obviously there is a very small but vocal minority in Pakistan who cannot relate to such identity hence their issues with this show. Instead, if IK had recommended to watch GOT or Peaky blinders, I am sure you would have applauded him for such enlightened suggestions.
 
Can you please make Pakistanis understand that feats or achievements by Arabs and Turks do not mean feats by Pakistanis!

I dare Pakistanis to say that are proud of conquering Spain to an Arab.

Every achievement made by Muslims is a source of pride for all Pakistanis.
 
When your PM requests the public to watch it and then goes onto tell the state broadcaster to dub it in Urdu using public money and then broadcasts the show every night on state TV, by all definitions, it is shoving down your throats!

it isnt, it translating the language into urdu, so the audience can understand.

you must be bored -watch it from the beginning to end- that will help you
 
This drama was much needed. Our nation was just wasting their time on tik tok, pubg and bollywood nach gana. This show has reminded them of their past, their roots and that is why it has gained such popularity.

Your issue is with Islam so I can understand your reservations.

PUBG is old news. All about Warzone now.
 
I watched a few episodes and it was refreshing to see a well done TV series in which the characters present a broad range of characteristics. The central character is shown to be a role model and a practicing Muslim. If that bothers someone and they are Muslim, they really need to take a deep look at themselves.
 
I don't watch shows and have no interest in this as well but it's good to watch people burning because of this drama.
 
Lol Immy fulfilled another promise

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This is how a Modi bhakt would have spun a brand ambassador situation :ssa
 
I know its fictional but values promoted in this drama appeal to all Muslims, even to conservative non Muslims. Pakistanis have a strong sense of Islamic identity and that is the reason behind this drama's popularity. When they hear Ertugrul giving salam and see him praying, they do not see a Turk but a Muslim brother.

Obviously there is a very small but vocal minority in Pakistan who cannot relate to such identity hence their issues with this show. Instead, if IK had recommended to watch GOT or Peaky blinders, I am sure you would have applauded him for such enlightened suggestions.

Let's see how the people of Pakistan react when they start watching 'Kingdom of Fire'.
 
The show isnt great from any perspective tbh Its a drama series for dummies

The acting is poor The scenes slow pondering and repetitive and action sequences dire Also its overlong Whos got time for so many episodes?

But I can see the appeal in pakistan The islam perspective would appeal to the audience there
 
The show isnt great from any perspective tbh Its a drama series for dummies

The acting is poor The scenes slow pondering and repetitive and action sequences dire Also its overlong Whos got time for so many episodes?

But I can see the appeal in pakistan The islam perspective would appeal to the audience there

How many episodes did you watch for this review? I tried to sample the series by watching the first episode in urdu and stopped after a few minutes when they said haq hai Allah, sach hai wallah. Would have loved it if it was based on Hindus and their proud martial history. Hoping netflix makes a series we hindus deserve.
 
I just have one question and that is about our alhadees people who are opposing this show just because saudi arab banned it and they did it because there are some wrong doing example halime is without cover on her head in season 1 which is true but is it halal to watch wwe nude girls which they recently did i guess in 2019 or 2018 isn't that wrong they watch Netflix shows isn't that bad i asked this question to one of my alhadees buddy you know what he said he sent me screenshot of a page where it is written nabi S. A. W SAID even if your ruler is wrong support him i don't know is this hadees true but what my buddy meant by this was king salman even if he watch those nude girls by his own naked eyes and enjoy we still have ti follow him we cannot say a single bad thing about him and he banned show so that's why we also don't like iy it means something is wrong in this show
So what you guys say about this don't have intention to hurt anyone sentiments but this is a question which i had to ask
 
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Caught a few episodes after going through this thread. This show is not a patch on likes of The Last Kingdom as I saw someone suggest. The drama is too much and the action scenes have so many slow motion shots which would put a Salman Khan movie to shame. Guess you guys feels an emotional connect to it and hence all the great reviews.
 
I highly doubt it :rabada2

Because they are black? Mohammed Ali was huge in Pakistan. This show is popular for two reasons.

1 - Pakistanis care mostly about subcontinent Muslim history. They dont know much about Muslim history in other countries. So with this show they learn about another Muslim country.

2 - In the Western media Muslims are shown usually in a negative light, and in Bollywood mostly as the "sidekick". So in this show the Muslim character is the star.

And this show is hated by far left liberals for three reasons.

1 - They hate Islam.

2 - They like Hindu Nationalist consider Mughals and other Muslim dynasties of the subcontinent, to be perpetual foreigners. So to them Mughals were Turks, even though they had very little Turkish blood by the time of Bahadur Shah Zafar. And they hate the fact that Pakistanis and Indian Muslims admire that dynasty. so they think watching a show on the Ottomans will make Pakistanis think that they were part of the Ottoman Empire.

3 - They work in the drama industry, and are scared if Turkish content comes they will lose their jobs.
 
This shows how out of touch with reality you really are! Pakistanis have always distanced themselves from their subcontinental roots. First, they looked towards Arabs and tried to emulate their lifestyle but Pakistanis were humiliated and disowned by Arabs. Now, they want to emulate the Turks! I am pretty sure Pakistanis will again face humiliation!

I can guarantee you if there was a show on African Muslims, no Pakistani would watch it!!

Do Pakistanis watch Arab tv shows/movies?
Do Pakistanis eat Arab food?
Do Pakistanis listen to Arab Music?
Do Pakistanis wear Arab clothes?
Do Pakistanis think Arabs are chosen people?
Do Pakistanis give $3 Billion a year to Arabs?

The person who is out of touch with reality is you. There is almost nothing that Pakistani culture that has similarity with Arabs, with the exception of religion. The reason you mention that Pakistanis look up to Arab culture is because you simply read some liberal author who wrote it, and you repeat there statement without doing any critical thinking on your own.

Most of those liberals who mention that Pakistanis are trying to emulate Arabs, say that because of Islam. They cant criticize Islam because of blasphemy laws, so they try to insult Arabs instead.


Pakistanis try to distance themselves from subcontinent roots????

Now lets look at Pakistani culture as far as language, clothing, cuisine, architecture, poetry, music, etc. Thats all from the subcontinent. The problem is that almost all of that has been influenced by "foreign", Muslim rule of the subcontinent. From Delhi Sultanate, to Mughals, to the various Nawabs. Thats the problem, that you have deemed them perpetual foreigners.
 
Those who are criticising the series have no idea what it is all about. When people watch a show with interest, it means they like it. It does not matter why they like it. This is entertainment industry my friend!

To those who have watched season 1 and are waiting for the next season in urdu, beware! The first ten episodes of season 2 are very hard to watch because of the voilence and the agony on the Kayi tribe, but boy season 2 has outclassed season 1 but miles! Amazing watch. My prediction is that Pakistan will be rocked by season 2 big time.
 
So I decided to watch a couple of episodes just to see what the hype is about and why our PM is forcing it down our throats.

So far it has been nothing but mediocre. Average acting, average script, average direction. I guess it is probably going to be even worse if you watch it in Urdu dub.

Unfortunately, it has become massive in Pakistan because of constant propaganda and our inherent identity crisis.

These nobody actors have really hit the jackpot because of how nadeeda we really are as a nation.

I won’t be forcing myself to watch this mediocrity any further. A 5/10 show at best.
 
So I decided to watch a couple of episodes just to see what the hype is about and why our PM is forcing it down our throats.

So far it has been nothing but mediocre. Average acting, average script, average direction. I guess it is probably going to be even worse if you watch it in Urdu dub.

Unfortunately, it has become massive in Pakistan because of constant propaganda and our inherent identity crisis.

These nobody actors have really hit the jackpot because of how nadeeda we really are as a nation.

I won’t be forcing myself to watch this mediocrity any further. A 5/10 show at best.
I am watching it on netflix with the english subtitles so you get the real vibe of the characters.

I am sure your rating would have different had your beloved Zardari or Nawaz Shareef had recommended the show. Obviously you have to pull Imran Khan’s leg in every thread.

I think if would make sense to go by the World rating rather than a man Mamoon rating.

We dont have identity crisis. Pakistan is a merger of many provinces, some of us come from a tribal background and even if we were not, what is wrong in admiring what a Turk or a Persian achieved.

Season 1 was a 6/10, and season 2 is a 9/10.
 
Do Pakistanis watch Arab tv shows/movies?
Do Pakistanis eat Arab food?
Do Pakistanis listen to Arab Music?
Do Pakistanis wear Arab clothes?
Do Pakistanis think Arabs are chosen people?
Do Pakistanis give $3 Billion a year to Arabs?

The person who is out of touch with reality is you. There is almost nothing that Pakistani culture that has similarity with Arabs, with the exception of religion. The reason you mention that Pakistanis look up to Arab culture is because you simply read some liberal author who wrote it, and you repeat there statement without doing any critical thinking on your own.

Most of those liberals who mention that Pakistanis are trying to emulate Arabs, say that because of Islam. They cant criticize Islam because of blasphemy laws, so they try to insult Arabs instead.


Pakistanis try to distance themselves from subcontinent roots????

Now lets look at Pakistani culture as far as language, clothing, cuisine, architecture, poetry, music, etc. Thats all from the subcontinent. The problem is that almost all of that has been influenced by "foreign", Muslim rule of the subcontinent. From Delhi Sultanate, to Mughals, to the various Nawabs. Thats the problem, that you have deemed them perpetual foreigners.

I wonder why Burqas and Thawbs are getting more and more popular in Pakistan. I wonder why are Pakistanis naming their shops and business with the prefix '-Al' such as Al-Khair Traders and so on.
 
Pakistanis' obsession with Ertugral is slightly disturbing. It is petty so see Pakistanis spamming Esra's Instagram page with comments such as 'Long Live Pakistan and Turkey', 'Best Muslimah Ever' and other cringy phrases!


Pakistanis on Instagram and Facebook maul anybody who speaks against the show or says he or she does not watch the show. It is mind-boggling! A number of Pakistani celebrities - the latest being Yasir Hussain - have been cyber-bullied and harassed after they criticized the show. Most Pakistanis do not realize that it is a work of fiction and they think speaking against the show is blasphemy.

This is madness! I hope Imran had told Pakistanis that this show was a work of fiction and the show is not a part of Islam.
 
So I decided to watch a couple of episodes just to see what the hype is about and why our PM is forcing it down our throats.

So far it has been nothing but mediocre. Average acting, average script, average direction. I guess it is probably going to be even worse if you watch it in Urdu dub.

Unfortunately, it has become massive in Pakistan because of constant propaganda and our inherent identity crisis.

These nobody actors have really hit the jackpot because of how nadeeda we really are as a nation.

I won’t be forcing myself to watch this mediocrity any further. A 5/10 show at best.
Pakistanis didnt make it famous though

This show was very big and successful well before it got to Pakistanis. In fact was hit in Turkey and Arab world and even trended on Netflix as most watched shows.

so surely theres some features of it which is making it a global hit
 
Pakistanis didnt make it famous though

This show was very big and successful well before it got to Pakistanis. In fact was hit in Turkey and Arab world and even trended on Netflix as most watched shows.

so surely theres some features of it which is making it a global hit

The show has the most views from Pakistan at 397 million; the second highest is only 157 million views.
 
Pakistanis didnt make it famous though

This show was very big and successful well before it got to Pakistanis. In fact was hit in Turkey and Arab world and even trended on Netflix as most watched shows.

so surely theres some features of it which is making it a global hit

My white, convict descended Australian landlord last year had watched the show :))
 
The show has the most views from Pakistan at 397 million; the second highest is only 157 million views.

Where are you getting these numbers. Can you source? Afaik Netflix doesn’t release
 
Pakistanis didnt make it famous though

This show was very big and successful well before it got to Pakistanis. In fact was hit in Turkey and Arab world and even trended on Netflix as most watched shows.

so surely theres some features of it which is making it a global hit

This chap has an identity crisis himself; he would always say negative things about Islamic history, Muslims and Pakistan.

The show was already a hit before it went to Pakistan and the actors were already renowned.
 
This chap has an identity crisis himself; he would always say negative things about Islamic history, Muslims and Pakistan.

The show was already a hit before it went to Pakistan and the actors were already renowned.

Know a days criticizing Islamic history, Muslims and Pakistan means you're suffering from identity crisis? :79:
Well I don't see a correlation tbh a person with insecurities about his culture wouldn't be posting on a damn cricket forum dedicated to Pakistan
Think :inti
 
Know a days criticizing Islamic history, Muslims and Pakistan means you're suffering from identity crisis? :79:
Well I don't see a correlation tbh a person with insecurities about his culture wouldn't be posting on a damn cricket forum dedicated to Pakistan
Think :inti

He is self hating and always puts a downer on anything related to Pakistan or Muslims. Well, if you just post negative all day long then your hardly passionate about your identity.
 
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