Ertugrul: Turkish TV serials are a big hit in Pakistan

[guna]

This is not a keyboard jihadi actually, it is just one of those online mystery identities who like to harass women. There is no mention of jihad in that tweet, and in fact there is no way of verifying his or her actual identity, could be a hindu woman for all we know. Halime Sultan handled it most elegantly all things considered.

Some fans forget that Halima Baji is just an actress doing a role. The moral police was rightfully put in place.

 

[Mamoon]

Apparently that lead actor, whatever his name is, got scammed by a businessman in Pakistan who sponsored his visit to the country and made him meet the fans etc. but didn’t pay him the money that was agreed in the contract.

Looks like the honeymoon of this Ertugrul guy turned sour. He was laughing all the way to the bank after capitalizing on the embarrassing obsession of Pakistanis with the show before running into a scammer.

 

[saeedhk]

Apparently that lead actor, whatever his name is, got scammed by a businessman in Pakistan who sponsored his visit to the country and made him meet the fans etc. but didn’t pay him the money that was agreed in the contract.

Looks like the honeymoon of this Ertugrul guy turned sour. He was laughing all the way to the bank after capitalizing on the embarrassing obsession of Pakistanis with the show before running into a scammer.

Yes. Zameer guy scammed the Caliph! The guy is a true con-artist and he has duped many ordinary Pakistanis for lacs of rupees after promising European visas.

 

[srh]

Apparently that lead actor, whatever his name is, got scammed by a businessman in Pakistan who sponsored his visit to the country and made him meet the fans etc. but didn’t pay him the money that was agreed in the contract.

Looks like the honeymoon of this Ertugrul guy turned sour. He was laughing all the way to the bank after capitalizing on the embarrassing obsession of Pakistanis with the show before running into a scammer.

Pakistanis are smarter than Turkish?

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistanis are smarter than Turkish?

No, but we are certainly more dishonest.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No, but we are certainly more dishonest.

So Pakistanis are dumber and more dishonest. I think that is reason enough for Kaptaan to recommend Ertugrul as must watch television for Pakistanis. Not only will they learn better values, it will put them on a path to mental development as well.

 

[khan-92]

Kashif Zameer who invited Engin Altan to Pakistan is a fraudster but has connections with powerful people.
He recently tried to kidnap a youtuber who he met in Turkey who said something against him on interview.
He should be locked up & bought to justice,heard he has done fraud against lot of other people as well.

 

[princeuk]

What is the problem if people want to watch a turkish drama? I personally have not watched it myslef but many of my freinds have and that is fine, if people can watch american dramas, british dramas (As you can get these in Pakistan through streaming) then why not a turkish drama that shows islamic values?

The insecurity is rife, Remember we watch Indian movies and dramas in pakistan for heaven's sake.

 

[Mamoon]

So Pakistanis are dumber and more dishonest. I think that is reason enough for Kaptaan to recommend Ertugrul as must watch television for Pakistanis. Not only will they learn better values, it will put them on a path to mental development as well.

I don’t think there is much to learn from a fictional show about Ottoman barbarians.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Almost 100 of the 400 odd posts on this thread belong to Mamoon and HKsaeed lol.

The Kurdolgos and Ural's of Pakpassion seem keen to downplay the achievements of Ertugral Bey

Eyvallah

 

[Bigboii]

Almost 100 of the 400 odd posts on this thread belong to Mamoon and HKsaeed lol.

The Kurdolgos and Ural's of Pakpassion seem keen to downplay the achievements of Ertugral Bey

Eyvallah

both of em be like
bunch of playa hatas..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don’t think there is much to learn from a fictional show about Ottoman barbarians.

Well maybe the Turk barbarians can learn from Pakistanis then. Just make your mind up.

 

[Saj]

Never seen an episode.

What's the big attraction about this?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Never seen an episode.

What's the big attraction about this?

Ive watched 6/7 episodes now. Its a a refreshing change from the usual American over the top series. Very well written, great acting, fight scences and a brilliant storyline, much of it based on true events.

I love the bad guys, they are played really well, both Crusaders or other Muslim groups.

A great family show.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Incredible by Pakistani twins!

 

[Mamoon]

Ertugrul theme song was played on Pakistan Day parade. ) ) )

Max level cringe. The obsession of Pakistani nation with this show. What is a Turkish army band doing in a Pakistan Day parade anyway?

After trying (and failing) to become Arabs for decades, we are now trying to become Turks.

 

[Bigboii]

Yeah above is max cringe...

Were they doing it in colab with Turkish armed forces or just on their own?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

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Ertugrul theme song was played on Pakistan Day parade. ) ) )

Max level cringe. The obsession of Pakistani nation with this show. What is a Turkish army band doing in a Pakistan Day parade anyway?

After trying (and failing) to become Arabs for decades, we are now trying to become Turks.

Are you trying (and failing) to become English when you watch Game of Thrones? You are reading too much into everything, obviously Ertugrul strikes a chord with Pakistanis because the show presents the characters as Muslims of great valour and courage, presumably that must be what appeals to Pakistanis as well.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah above is max cringe...

Were they doing it in colab with Turkish armed forces or just on their own?

I think it was the Turkish clowns doing some nonsense Ottoman act.

 

[Mamoon]

Are you trying (and failing) to become English when you watch Game of Thrones? You are reading too much into everything, obviously Ertugrul strikes a chord with Pakistanis because the show presents the characters as Muslims of great valour and courage, presumably that must be what appeals to Pakistanis as well.

If Pakistan tries to make GoT part of its national identity and its theme song is played in military parades, I would criticize it as well.

Pakistan’s identity crisis is rooted in its ideology. No wonder we latched onto the Arabs for years and now it is Turkey’s turn.

 

[Mamoon]

Unfortunately the caliph himself would not be coming back to Pakistan any time soon after getting scammed by a businessman.

What a sight it would have been to see Ertugrul ghazi riding his horse on Pakistan day with a sword on his hand, Pakistan and Turkey flags tied to his back and Ertugrul theme song playing in the background.

 

[Bigboii]

I think it was the Turkish clowns doing some nonsense Ottoman act.

So basically own THIER own

What an embarrassment first the peace with India shtick they pulled making the whole of Pak armed forces looked week
Now this cringe I mean wt* does a TV show song has any place in Pakistan national day prade are they that thick Mind boggling

Man Pakistan armed forces seems to have it in for Pakistani people embarrassing tham on every nook and cranny

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If Pakistan tries to make GoT part of its national identity and its theme song is played in military parades, I would criticize it as well.

Pakistan’s identity crisis is rooted in its ideology. No wonder we latched onto the Arabs for years and now it is Turkey’s turn.

It was played on this occasion, I doubt that it has now officially supplanted whatever tune they normally play on these occasions. But if it has then let me know, I will join you in lamenting the loss of Pakistani identity. Whatever that was. As one of PP's great patriots, you must know what should be played on such occasions. Can you clue us in?

 

[Mamoon]

It was played on this occasion, I doubt that it has now officially supplanted whatever tune they normally play on these occasions. But if it has then let me know, I will join you in lamenting the loss of Pakistani identity. Whatever that was. As one of PP's great patriots, you must know what should be played on such occasions. Can you clue us in?

Why play the theme song of a Turkish tv serial to mark the occasion of Pakistan Day?

Every year on 23rd March, we celebrate our failures by thumping our chests and glorifying the military of Pakistan that has not won a single war and signed the instrumented of surrender on 16 Dec 1971, along with losing 90,000 POWs.

On this grand occasions, we play national songs. However, it appears that the theme song of Ertugrul has been upgraded to national song status and will now be played every year on 23rd March to celebrate the brotherhood of these two great Muslim countries.

One of them is still searching for its identity and surviving on IMF loans while the other has been reduced to annoying ice-cream customers after the glory days of the past.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why play the theme song of a Turkish tv serial to mark the occasion of Pakistan Day?

Every year on 23rd March, we celebrate our failures by thumping our chests and glorifying the military of Pakistan that has not won a single war and signed the instrumented of surrender on 16 Dec 1971, along with losing 90,000 POWs.

On this grand occasions, we play national songs. However, it appears that the theme song of Ertugrul has been upgraded to national song status and will now be played every year on 23rd March to celebrate the brotherhood of these two great Muslim countries.

One of them is still searching for its identity and surviving on IMF loans while the other has been reduced to annoying ice-cream customers after the glory days of the past.

But you are always hypercritical of Pakistan celebrating their national songs on these days, and in fact you have openly admitted to hating the country. So they could play Spice Girls "If you wanna be my lover" and you should be happy. I don't really get where the criticism is coming from. What songs would make you happy as a great Pakistani patriot?

 

[Mamoon]

But you are always hypercritical of Pakistan celebrating their national songs on these days, and in fact you have openly admitted to hating the country. So they could play Spice Girls "If you wanna be my lover" and you should be happy. I don't really get where the criticism is coming from. What songs would make you happy as a great Pakistani patriot?

I love Pakistan more than you believe. To mark the glorious National Day, we should only play patriotic songs or Pakistani songs in general. There is no space for Turkish songs.

 

[Greenstorm]

So basically own THIER own

What an embarrassment first the peace with India shtick they pulled making the whole of Pak armed forces looked week
Now this cringe I mean wt* does a TV show song has any place in Pakistan national day prade are they that thick Mind boggling

Man Pakistan armed forces seems to have it in for Pakistani people embarrassing tham on every nook and cranny

Nothing cringe about it.

This song has become synonymous with Muslim valour, honour and courage in the hearts of Pakistanis. A perfect fit for the occasion.

They also sang dil dil Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

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[Mamoon]

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Isn't Paracha the ex-Muslim writer? I know he can't say it officially in Pakistan, but read his stuff before and you can understand why he would be furious to see Pakistanis identifying with Ertugrul.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I love Pakistan more than you believe. To mark the glorious National Day, we should only play patriotic songs or Pakistani songs in general. There is no space for Turkish songs.

Its not a song with lyrics. Just music and performance on this day. Turkey is a close ally , a fellow Muslim nation and the history of the Islamic empire is for all Muslims. Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, therefore it makes sense. If it was a secular nation, it wouldnt.

 

[El Generico]

Has anyone ever claimed Ertugrul was the first Pakistani? This Paracha person seems pretty bitter for some reason.

 

[saeedhk]

What is relevance of Ottoman fictional history with Pakistan Day? How long before Ertugrul's fictional exploits are included in Pakistani textbook and Ertugrul's face plastered onto currency notes.

What happened yesterday was a true cringe fest. What boggles my mind is that majority of Pakistani think Ertugrul is a true story based on actual events. Some historians even say Ertugrul was a non-Muslim.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Im a fan of the show and encourage turk-pak dosti but yeah lets not beat around the bush....this was cringeworthy!

 

[Mamoon]

Its not a song with lyrics. Just music and performance on this day. Turkey is a close ally , a fellow Muslim nation and the history of the Islamic empire is for all Muslims. Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, therefore it makes sense. If it was a secular nation, it wouldnt.

This is the problem and the reason for Pakistan’s identity crisis.

Pakistan’s identity is linked with religion. That is why it tried hard to ape the Arabic culture and now it is our turn to become Turks after failing to become Arabs.

The history of Islamic empires is not for all countries. Pakistan has nothing to do with Ertugrul and the Ottomans and the other caliphates in Islamic history.

Pakistan keeps trying to forge a link with them because subcontinent Muslims have no achievements of their own other then producing a few drunk poets.

Even the Mughals were foreign invaders and the likes of Akbar left Islam and created his own religion.

Moreover, this Ertugrul show is a fictional representation and is not historically accurate. It is is just like the show Vikings which is inspired by Nordic culture.

Pakistan is basically glorifying a fictional show and an exaggerated character like Ertugrul as some Muslim hero.

The cringe level is extreme. It is embarrassing.

Any country that plays the theme music of a fictional show of another country on its national day parade cannot be taken seriously and really needs to reevaluate its priorities to avoid becoming a laughing stock.

 

[Varun]

Hope the Turks are friendlier to Pakistanis than the Arabs have been.

No coming over uninvited and killing birds, and banning marriages to Pakistanis and all that jazz.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Hope the Turks are friendlier to Pakistanis than the Arabs have been.

No coming over uninvited and killing birds, and banning marriages to Pakistanis and all that jazz.

Not just friendlier compared to arabs. Turks love Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is the problem and the reason for Pakistan’s identity crisis.

Pakistan’s identity is linked with religion. That is why it tried hard to ape the Arabic culture and now it is our turn to become Turks after failing to become Arabs.

The history of Islamic empires is not for all countries. Pakistan has nothing to do with Ertugrul and the Ottomans and the other caliphates in Islamic history.

Pakistan keeps trying to forge a link with them because subcontinent Muslims have no achievements of their own other then producing a few drunk poets.

Even the Mughals were foreign invaders and the likes of Akbar left Islam and created his own religion.

Moreover, this Ertugrul show is a fictional representation and is not historically accurate. It is is just like the show Vikings which is inspired by Nordic culture.

Pakistan is basically glorifying a fictional show and an exaggerated character like Ertugrul as some Muslim hero.

The cringe level is extreme. It is embarrassing.

Any country that plays the theme music of a fictional show of another country on its national day parade cannot be taken seriously and really needs to reevaluate its priorities to avoid becoming a laughing stock.

As you yourself have said in the first couple of lines, Pakistan's identity is linked to religion, that much is pretty evident or there would be no Pakistan. There is also lots more to Pakistani identity which they share with everyone else in the subcontinent, language, music, bad sewerage, spicy food, poor infrastructure, etc.

Agree with you there are not much achievements in the subcontinent to brag about, perhaps that is why they are playing Ertugrul tune rather than bol churiyan, bol kangna...Lajja Lajja!

 

[khan-92]

Not just friendlier compared to arabs. Turks love Pakistan.

Yes Turkish people love Pakistan & Pakistanies, I have travelled lot to Turkey whenever they find out you are Pakistani they say long live Pakistan/ Turk Brotherhood & are very happy to meet you.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is the problem and the reason for Pakistan’s identity crisis.

Pakistan’s identity is linked with religion. That is why it tried hard to ape the Arabic culture and now it is our turn to become Turks after failing to become Arabs.

The history of Islamic empires is not for all countries. Pakistan has nothing to do with Ertugrul and the Ottomans and the other caliphates in Islamic history.

Pakistan keeps trying to forge a link with them because subcontinent Muslims have no achievements of their own other then producing a few drunk poets.

Even the Mughals were foreign invaders and the likes of Akbar left Islam and created his own religion.

Moreover, this Ertugrul show is a fictional representation and is not historically accurate. It is is just like the show Vikings which is inspired by Nordic culture.

Pakistan is basically glorifying a fictional show and an exaggerated character like Ertugrul as some Muslim hero.

The cringe level is extreme. It is embarrassing.

Any country that plays the theme music of a fictional show of another country on its national day parade cannot be taken seriously and really needs to reevaluate its priorities to avoid becoming a laughing stock.

Of course it's lniked with religion, the reason for our existance is far more important than any naitonalistic movement.

You really should know this, Pakistan day on 23rd March 1956 made Pakistan the worlds first Islamic Republic. Turkey is also a Muslim nation, an ally, it's only right we share our happinesses together with another close Ally.

Sure Ertugal is a romantic version and not everthing is accurate but it does paint the picture of true events when Muslims had to deal with crusaders taking over the land esp the holy land.

Your view is a fringe minority, it will never be mainstream and nothing will change. My advice is move out of Pakistan or deal with the reality of where you live.

 

[Mamoon]

Of course it's lniked with religion, the reason for our existance is far more important than any naitonalistic movement.

You really should know this, Pakistan day on 23rd March 1956 made Pakistan the worlds first Islamic Republic. Turkey is also a Muslim nation, an ally, it's only right we share our happinesses together with another close Ally.

Sure Ertugal is a romantic version and not everthing is accurate but it does paint the picture of true events when Muslims had to deal with crusaders taking over the land esp the holy land.

Your view is a fringe minority, it will never be mainstream and nothing will change. My advice is move out of Pakistan or deal with the reality of where you live.

There is no importance of Pakistan’s existence. It is just the delusion of Pakistanis to feel important.

Pakistan is just the result of a botched partition by the bankrupt British crown who wanted to leave the subcontinent in a haste after losing a lot of wealth in WWII as surrendering their status as a major power.

The concept of Muslim ummah doesn’t exist anymore. The Arab world moved from the ummah delusion after getting humiliated by Israel and the failure of the UAR.

Like Pakistan, Turkey also suffers from identity crisis. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they tried hard to ape western culture and move away from their Islamic history.

In recent times, they have tried to revert back to their Ottoman roots under the tutelage of the delusional war criminal Erdogan who views himself as an Ottoman Caliph.

They are as confused as Pakistan.

Pakistan should realize that it’s Islamic identity has no significance anymore with the way Muslim countries have snubbed Pakistan over Kashmir.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There is no importance of Pakistan’s existence. It is just the delusion of Pakistanis to feel important.

Pakistan is just the result of a botched partition by the bankrupt British crown who wanted to leave the subcontinent in a haste after losing a lot of wealth in WWII as surrendering their status as a major power.

The concept of Muslim ummah doesn’t exist anymore. The Arab world moved from the ummah delusion after getting humiliated by Israel and the failure of the UAR.

Like Pakistan, Turkey also suffers from identity crisis. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they tried hard to ape western culture and move away from their Islamic history.

In recent times, they have tried to revert back to their Ottoman roots under the tutelage of the delusional war criminal Erdogan who views himself as an Ottoman Caliph.

They are as confused as Pakistan.

Pakistan should realize that it’s Islamic identity has no significance anymore with the way Muslim countries have snubbed Pakistan over Kashmir.

This is like something out of a athiest fantasy book.

Let me correct you, the Ummah simply means a body of people who follow the Prophet Mohammed(pbuh). It doesnt have to have political significance. If you go Hajj, people from all over the world, all cultures, skin tones and languages greet each other like family, this is the concept of Ummah.

Pakistan and Turkey have a long way to go but remember both nations are less than a 100 years old, they are infants atm.

Its not about Ottoman roots. I dislike parts of their history and even current events of Turkey such as turning Hagia Sophia into a mosque. Its more broadly about Islamic history, which has been hidden because the west is the most powerful in the world atm. Many Muslims were not aware of how Muslims in the past liberated Jerusalem or how quickly the Islamic empire rose within its first 100 years. All cultures and religions celebare the past, Pakistanis and Turks are not doing anything different.

These two nations will progress over the coming decades as the balance of power changes on the planet.

 

[Mamoon]

This is like something out of a athiest fantasy book.

Let me correct you, the Ummah simply means a body of people who follow the Prophet Mohammed(pbuh). It doesnt have to have political significance. If you go Hajj, people from all over the world, all cultures, skin tones and languages greet each other like family, this is the concept of Ummah.

Pakistan and Turkey have a long way to go but remember both nations are less than a 100 years old, they are infants atm.

Its not about Ottoman roots. I dislike parts of their history and even current events of Turkey such as turning Hagia Sophia into a mosque. Its more broadly about Islamic history, which has been hidden because the west is the most powerful in the world atm. Many Muslims were not aware of how Muslims in the past liberated Jerusalem or how quickly the Islamic empire rose within its first 100 years. All cultures and religions celebare the past, Pakistanis and Turks are not doing anything different.

These two nations will progress over the coming decades as the balance of power changes on the planet.

The balance of power will never shift to make Pakistan a major power. We are a delusional nation and this is yet another example of our delusions.

I am not an atheist but the reality is that the ummah concept lost significance after the emergence of the nation-state system.

At the time of the Prophet PBUH and the first few caliphates, the concept of nations did not exist and ummah had relevance.

In modern times, there is no such thing as ummah. It is all about national politics.

Pakistan is the last Muslim countries that is still trying and failing to keep the ummah concept intact. The other Muslim countries do not care and have moved on.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The balance of power will never shift to make Pakistan a major power. We are a delusional nation and this is yet another example of our delusions.

I am not an atheist but the reality is that the ummah concept lost significance after the emergence of the nation-state system.

At the time of the Prophet PBUH and the first few caliphates, the concept of nations did not exist and ummah had relevance.

In modern times, there is no such thing as ummah. It is all about national politics.

Pakistan is the last Muslim countries that is still trying and failing to keep the ummah concept intact. The other Muslim countries do not care and have moved on.

It was also said Pakistan will never be a nuclear power esp with the likes of Israel, India and US going against this but now Pak has more nukes than India and Israel. The west is in decline while China and Turkey and even Pakistan are improving. Eventually over time, perhaps long after we are both dead, the balace will shift, slowly but surely now.

Again, Ummah does not have to be political alliance, just a body of Muslims who follow the last prophet. You should know this.

I will be visiting Turkey in a few months, will pass on your love from Pakistan.

 

[guna]

It was also said Pakistan will never be a nuclear power esp with the likes of Israel, India and US going against this but now Pak has more nukes than India and Israel. The west is in decline while China and Turkey and even Pakistan are improving. Eventually over time, perhaps long after we are both dead, the balace will shift, slowly but surely now.

Again, Ummah does not have to be political alliance, just a body of Muslims who follow the last prophet. You should know this.

I will be visiting Turkey in a few months, will pass on your love from Pakistan.

Future will be ruled by whoever has the best AI. West is already so much ahead of Pakistan and Turkey that its not even funny. Once AGI takes over, its only a matter of time before ASI will takeover the entire world. Gone will be the days of humans controlling everything.

I do not see any Muslim nation leading in any aspect of science or for that matter anything. They are all pretty backward.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Future will be ruled by whoever has the best AI. West is already so much ahead of Pakistan and Turkey that its not even funny. Once AGI takes over, its only a matter of time before ASI will takeover the entire world. Gone will be the days of humans controlling everything.

I do not see any Muslim nation leading in any aspect of science or for that matter anything. They are all pretty backward.

Of course you dont. Athiests will rule the world according to you. Shame you wont be around then.

 

[Bigboii]

Future will be ruled by whoever has the best AI. West is already so much ahead of Pakistan and Turkey that its not even funny. Once AGI takes over, its only a matter of time before ASI will takeover the entire world. Gone will be the days of humans controlling everything.

I do not see any Muslim nation leading in any aspect of science or for that matter anything. They are all pretty backward.

Turkey is WAY ahead of India in military tech (you can't have that without proper r and d setup in the country) like it's not even a joke

On top of that Turkey is in NATO I am pretty sure they'll be fine

 

[street cricketer]

Turkey is WAY ahead of India in military tech (you can't have that without proper r and d setup in the country) like it's not even a joke

On top of that Turkey is in NATO I am pretty sure they'll be fine

Is it true though? Just a genuine question.

I do know Turkey has done some great work in drone technology and they're definitely ahead in that regard. Not sure about aircrafts, missile technology, naval technology or space research though.

 

[Bigboii]

Is it true though? Just a genuine question.

I do know Turkey has done some great work in drone technology and they're definitely ahead in that regard. Not sure about aircrafts, missile technology, naval technology or space research though.

https://www.defensenews.com/native/...lds-leading-manufacturers-of-weapons-systems/
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/vi...stry introduced,its record turnover this year.

One of the few nations in the world outside of the big economies who can make a decent quality war plane and not butcher the whole project (not every other country can do that you have to have LOTS of things to create a decent competitive war plane)

 

[street cricketer]

https://www.defensenews.com/native/...lds-leading-manufacturers-of-weapons-systems/
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/vi...stry introduced,its record turnover this year.

One of the few nations in the world outside of the big economies who can make a decent quality war plane and not butcher the whole project (not every other country can do that you have to have LOTS of things to create a decent competitive war plane)

Are you talking about the TAI-TFX because it's still in the works.

As far as I know, Turkey doesn't have an indigenous fighter aircraft in its inventory. Most of its aircrafts are US origin.

 

[Bigboii]

Are you talking about the TAI-TFX because it's still in the works.

As far as I know, Turkey doesn't have an indigenous fighter aircraft in its inventory. Most of its aircrafts are US origin.

Looking back I should have put capability cause in my mind it was obvious but the wording was incorrect

They have the license to manufacture F-16s and make SAR planes of their own on top of that are involved in F35 program in it's maintenance overhaul stuff
Are great at upgrading the F16 and adding blocks to it

So the have great infrastructure to built a decent plane don't know where they'll get the funding tho

All they have is experience and infrastructure for avaition

I feel like they are the gharib version of Israel who push above their weight

They only started getting into the aviation side of things (because NATO members usually rely on big guns to pull this off )the ground force industry they were in there for a lot longer make decent to good weaponry there

 

[street cricketer]

Looking back I should have put capability cause in my mind it was obvious but the wording was incorrect

They have the license to manufacture F-16s and make SAR planes of their own on top of that are involved in F35 program in it's maintenance overhaul stuff
Are great at upgrading the F16 and adding blocks to it

So the have great infrastructure to built a decent plane don't know where they'll get the funding tho

All they have is experience and infrastructure for avaition

I feel like they are the gharib version of Israel who push above their weight

They only started getting into the aviation side of things (because NATO members usually rely on big guns to pull this off )the ground force industry they were in there for a lot longer make decent to good weaponry there

Yeah I know they have the license to build F16s but even India builds a lot of Su30s within India. Ultimately I think the pinnacle of technology is building your own jet engine. It's the hardest technology to crack and it's something only the Americans truly excel at. That is a technology that's a closely guarded secret and the big wigs would never let it out even if you're great allies.

A lot of Pakistanis joke about the Tejas and how it would crash as soon as it gets up in the sky. I don't believe that, because at the end of the day, the Tejas is an aircraft with an American heart (engine) inside an Indian airframe. And American engines are the gold standard. India could even build its much touted fifth generation AMCA, but even that would have an American engine. The US has years and years of R & D in the area of jet engine technology and it would take decades for the rest of the countries like India, Turkey, etc., to catch up with them, or they might never catch up at all in all honesty. Even the Chinese and the Russians have not fully mastered the technology, and they're far ahead in that area compared to the rest of the world.

 

[Bigboii]

You need to give me a detailed reason for rating Tejas...

Everyone smiles (you know that smile) at Tejas not just Pakistanis so you have to give me a better reason for ratting tham

would be interesting to hear outside of normal cinism we hear about tham in the defense world

Reason why I don't rate indian defense industry is for a county it's size it's absolutely abysmal at making decent things

Like seriously they struggle with even the most parts of a normal defense industry they are addicted to just buy, buy, buy from foreign and do basically no devolpment on it's own industry

This is a recipe for disaster you can't dish out that kind of money for foreign equipment
some devolpment should happen on that front

Whose fault is it the political or military class?

 

[Bigboii]

Yeah I know they have the license to build F16s but even India builds a lot of Su30s within India. Ultimately I think the pinnacle of technology is building your own jet engine. It's the hardest technology to crack and it's something only the Americans truly excel at. That is a technology that's a closely guarded secret and the big wigs would never let it out even if you're great allies.

Yep building even a decent engine is one of the hardest thing a country achieve in it's defense industry

But the kind of ground force equipment they make especially for a country it's size and economy one has to give massive respect like they severely punch above their weight

The drones are also very hard to make with not a lot of countries making those top quality drones and their are quality too

I don't know what or how they're doing it but damn they have some recsipe that other not so powerful countries need

 

[saeedhk]

It was also said Pakistan will never be a nuclear power esp with the likes of Israel, India and US going against this but now Pak has more nukes than India and Israel. The west is in decline while China and Turkey and even Pakistan are improving. Eventually over time, perhaps long after we are both dead, the balace will shift, slowly but surely now.

Again, Ummah does not have to be political alliance, just a body of Muslims who follow the last prophet. You should know this.

I will be visiting Turkey in a few months, will pass on your love from Pakistan.

The West is in decline? We have been hearing that for ages now. This is nothing but a comfort lie to keep us happy because we have absolutely achieved nothing since 1947. Pakistan is declining every day and touching new depths of depravity. We need to admit that we are a bankrupt economy ruled by corrupt leaders coupled with a morally-bankrupt public. We would never be able to be even a moderately successful nation because 25000000 children do not go to school!

 

[street cricketer]

You need to give me a detailed reason for rating Tejas...

I never said I rated Tejas. I just said it's not going to be a crash prone aircraft like many Pakistanis tend to think because the thing that matters the most in an aircraft, i.e., the engine is not Indian but actually American.

You can't rate an aircraft until it's battle worthy, and the Tejas has hardly been inducted to the IAF.

Reason why I don't rate indian defense industry is for a county it's size it's absolutely abysmal at making decent things

Like seriously they struggle with even the most parts of a normal defense industry they are addicted to just buy, buy, buy from foreign and do basically no devolpment on it's own industry

This is a recipe for disaster you can't dish out that kind of money for foreign equipment
some devolpment should happen on that front

Whose fault is it the political or military class?

Well for starters, India has got one of the worst bureaucracies in the world. The infamous Indian bureaucracy is to blame for India lagging behind in not just military technology but also in key areas of economy like enforcing land and labour laws to transform India into a manufacturing economy. It's easy to say India's got a huge economy but still don't have a decent aircraft to their name, but people forget that India is still a third world country and its per capita income is much lesser than countries like Brazil, Turkey, Russia, etc.

It's why India's progress in the R & D of military technology has been slow because not just military technology, but everything happens slow in India. It cannot be compared to China where if you want to build a high speed railway line, you could easily just shift the people living there to another area while just the numerous negotiations for land acquisition will take years and even a decade to build a huge infrastructure project in India.

So obviously India will lag behind countries like China when it comes to military technology but I don't think it's been a failure. A lot of work has been going in missile technology, space research is something ISRO has done very well for itself and has helped with military satellites and ASAT weapons. There has been progress in aircraft carriers and LCA although the progress has been slow. One good thing though is that the aviation infrastructure is in place and so the subsequent versions of the LCA wouldn't take the same time it took to develop the LCA. A lot of work has also gone into developing an LCH and a non military helicopter. They lag behind in gas turbine technology and drone technology though. Overall it's decent progress for a low income country.

 

[Bigboii]

never said I rated Tejas. I just said it's not going to be a crash prone aircraft like many Pakistanis tend to think because the thing that matters the most in an aircraft, i.e., the engine is not Indian but actually American

C'mon now you really shouldn't be taking their opinions seriously... That was of course a comment by some guy to make the indians get b*****
Of course it can fly

 

[Mamoon]

It was also said Pakistan will never be a nuclear power esp with the likes of Israel, India and US going against this but now Pak has more nukes than India and Israel. The west is in decline while China and Turkey and even Pakistan are improving. Eventually over time, perhaps long after we are both dead, the balace will shift, slowly but surely now.

Again, Ummah does not have to be political alliance, just a body of Muslims who follow the last prophet. You should know this.

I will be visiting Turkey in a few months, will pass on your love from Pakistan.

USA is in decline, UK and EU are in decline, Israel will perish soon, India is in decline, but Pakistan, the country surviving on IMF loans with massive population explosion and an impeding water crisis on the horizon is a future power.

The only part of your post that is not high fantasy is the fact that China’s influence is growing massively and they could overtake U.S. as superpower.

When that happens, it looks like Pakistanis will become “parai shaadi me Abdullah deewana” yet again and will then try to become Chinese after trying to become Arabs and Turks in the past.

Good luck on your visit to Turkey. A wonderful holiday destination - great food, weather, sightseeing and even shopping.

While you are there, perhaps you could advise the war criminal and delusional caliph Erdogan to pull out of NATO because his image of reviving Turkey as a Muslim power cannot be reconciled by Turkey’s slavery on the NATO table.

 

[Saj]

Why play the theme song of a Turkish tv serial to mark the occasion of Pakistan Day?

Every year on 23rd March, we celebrate our failures by thumping our chests and glorifying the military of Pakistan that has not won a single war and signed the instrumented of surrender on 16 Dec 1971, along with losing 90,000 POWs.

On this grand occasions, we play national songs. However, it appears that the theme song of Ertugrul has been upgraded to national song status and will now be played every year on 23rd March to celebrate the brotherhood of these two great Muslim countries.

One of them is still searching for its identity and surviving on IMF loans while the other has been reduced to annoying ice-cream customers after the glory days of the past.

Doesn't this defeat the whole aspect of patriotism?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Yeah above is max cringe...

Were they doing it in colab with Turkish armed forces or just on their own?

A Turkish band which was invited for Pakistan Day played it. Other songs like Dil Dil Pakistan were also played.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

This is the problem and the reason for Pakistan’s identity crisis.

Pakistan’s identity is linked with religion. That is why it tried hard to ape the Arabic culture and now it is our turn to become Turks after failing to become Arabs.

The history of Islamic empires is not for all countries. Pakistan has nothing to do with Ertugrul and the Ottomans and the other caliphates in Islamic history.

Pakistan keeps trying to forge a link with them because subcontinent Muslims have no achievements of their own other then producing a few drunk poets.

Even the Mughals were foreign invaders and the likes of Akbar left Islam and created his own religion.

Like Pakistan, Turkey also suffers from identity crisis. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they tried hard to ape western culture and move away from their Islamic history. In recent times, they have tried to revert back to their Ottoman roots under the tutelage of the delusional war criminal Erdogan who views himself as an Ottoman Caliph.

You posted this, that people in Turkey have roots with Ottoman Empire. Ottomans who were foreign invaders from Central Asia, who settled in Anatolia and during their era the majority of locals converted to Islam. So thats the roots of people in Turkey, which i agree with. As they have nothing or very little of the Byzantine empire in their culture.

Yet you also post that Pakistan has nothing to do with Mugahls, and presumably Delhi Sultanate, Ghorids, Nawabs, etc, as they in the male line came from Cental Asia. Even though our entire culture comes from that era.

Great logic Bhai. Cant expect more from pseudo historians who try to craft some Indus Valley Civilization as the roots of Pakistani culture.

BTW those drunk poets like Ghalib, and Mir, who you say belong to subcontinent Muslims, would also in the male line be foreign invaders then.

 

[saeedhk]

Responding to a question about rising rape, Imran Khan said he encouraged people to watch Ertugrul because it had no immoral content. Can somebody tell him that Halime Baji kisses and hugs a non-Mehram Ertugrul multiple times.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Halime Sultan was Ertugrul's wife, how was she a na-mehram?

 

[Bigboii]

Responding to a question about rising rape, Imran Khan said he encouraged people to watch Ertugrul because it had no immoral content. Can somebody tell him that Halime Baji kisses and hugs a non-Mehram Ertugrul multiple times.

oh bhai maro mujhe maro
mazaak ho raya heh

 

[saeedhk]

oh bhai maro mujhe maro
mazaak ho raya heh

Before getting married, don’t they kiss and hug if I am not mistaken? And, even if they are married, kissing is also indecent and immoral for a conservative country like Pakistan. Somebody needs to tell this to Imran.

 

[Mamoon]

One of the worst tv shows in history.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A worldwide smash hit for a reason. Disliked mostly by the sort of people who are lampooned and disgraced in the show.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I started watching Ertugul in Ramzaan, and I can see why Imran Khan recommended it, why so many Muslims love it and why Pakistani liberals hate it.

This is the first large scale tv show that depicts Muslims and Islam in a positive light. Their are hundreds of references to Islamic teachings, and rituals, that any Muslim will be able to relate to. You can actually learn alot about Islamic stories by watching this show.

The show is like Game of Thrones (however not as good), with Muslim characters. It has Muslim heroes and Muslim villains. Muslim warriors and Muslim cowards. Muslim saints and Muslim munafiqs.


And on the other hand, the far left liberals hate this fictional show, for precisely the same reasons that the rest of Muslims like it. It shows Islam and Muslims in a positive light. Even in a fictional show, showing Islam and Muslims in that manner is propaganda to them.

The far left Liberals want Pakistan's identity to have nothing to do with Islam, which is why you would hear them say that Pakistan roots are based on Indus Valley Civilization, a civilization which they know nothing about. Its why liberals view Ranjeet Singh as a hero, even though he was one of the biggest oppressors of Muslims in subcontinent history. Same goes for Raja Dahir, whose loss they view as tragic, even though his father had taken the throne from another King.

 

[street cricketer]

I started watching Ertugul in Ramzaan, and I can see why Imran Khan recommended it, why so many Muslims love it and why Pakistani liberals hate it.

This is the first large scale tv show that depicts Muslims and Islam in a positive light. Their are hundreds of references to Islamic teachings, and rituals, that any Muslim will be able to relate to. You can actually learn alot about Islamic stories by watching this show.

The show is like Game of Thrones (however not as good), with Muslim characters. It has Muslim heroes and Muslim villains. Muslim warriors and Muslim cowards. Muslim saints and Muslim munafiqs.


And on the other hand, the far left liberals hate this fictional show, for precisely the same reasons that the rest of Muslims like it. It shows Islam and Muslims in a positive light. Even in a fictional show, showing Islam and Muslims in that manner is propaganda to them.

The far left Liberals want Pakistan's identity to have nothing to do with Islam, which is why you would hear them say that Pakistan roots are based on Indus Valley Civilization, a civilization which they know nothing about. Its why liberals view Ranjeet Singh as a hero, even though he was one of the biggest oppressors of Muslims in subcontinent history. Same goes for Raja Dahir, whose loss they view as tragic, even though his father had taken the throne from another King.

If there's one thing that's common between the Indian right wing and the Pakistani right wing, the only people they hate more than they hate each other is their respective left liberals lol..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I started watching Ertugul in Ramzaan, and I can see why Imran Khan recommended it, why so many Muslims love it and why Pakistani liberals hate it.

This is the first large scale tv show that depicts Muslims and Islam in a positive light. Their are hundreds of references to Islamic teachings, and rituals, that any Muslim will be able to relate to. You can actually learn alot about Islamic stories by watching this show.

The show is like Game of Thrones (however not as good), with Muslim characters. It has Muslim heroes and Muslim villains. Muslim warriors and Muslim cowards. Muslim saints and Muslim munafiqs.


And on the other hand, the far left liberals hate this fictional show, for precisely the same reasons that the rest of Muslims like it. It shows Islam and Muslims in a positive light. Even in a fictional show, showing Islam and Muslims in that manner is propaganda to them.

The far left Liberals want Pakistan's identity to have nothing to do with Islam, which is why you would hear them say that Pakistan roots are based on Indus Valley Civilization, a civilization which they know nothing about. Its why liberals view Ranjeet Singh as a hero, even though he was one of the biggest oppressors of Muslims in subcontinent history. Same goes for Raja Dahir, whose loss they view as tragic, even though his father had taken the throne from another King.

I have no problem with Pakistani liberals holding such views, good luck to them. Indus Valley and Raja Dahir all have their part in the history of Pakistan. Left wing journalists and politicians are often a force for good and a necessary redress to the foam flecked rabble rousers who pass themselves off as maulvis in Pakistan.

But a lot of them with their LGBTQ stuff are so far left of the average person in Pakistan, they may as well be living on another planet. Pakistanis can relate to Ertugrul, he is a magnificent role model. Just, respectful and loyal, but shows no mercy to the traitors in his community. Imran Khan is absolutely right to show his country what the essence of Islam should be.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan and Turkey have jointly announced the production of a historical drama series on the rule of Sultan Salahuddin Ayyubi, the founder of the Ayyubi Empire, which is slated for a March 2022 release.

Dr Kashif Ansari and Dr Junaid Ali Shah of Ansari & Shah Films, the production house handling the project, recently sat down for a telephonic interview with Independent Urdu to speak about the series. Dr Shah explained that it will be a historical series divided into three seasons, with 34 episodes each. Dr Ansari, a physician known for his medical practice involving several prominent personalities in the United States and Pakistan, shared that the Turkish partners in the project are Akli Films, who have prior experience in creating films on famous personalities and historical events. He explained that an agreement has been reached between Turkey’s Akli Films and Pakistan’s Ansari & Shah Films.

When asked about the cast of the historical drama series, Dr Ansari shared that this is a joint effort between Turkey and Pakistan, and so the cast would include actors from both countries. Speaking about the motivations behind creating a drama series based on the life events of Sultan Salahuddin Ayyubi, Dr Ansari explained that it mainly came down to the respect and admiration the figure commands in both Muslim and non-Muslim circles. “The idea to make a series on [Salahuddin] came about because he was a history-making undisputed ruler in the history of Muslims, admired and respected by Muslims and non-Muslims alike,” he shared.

“This series isn’t meant to be just for the Muslims or Pakistanis or Turkish people. It’s meant to show a great Muslim ruler whose courage, bravery and just nature was appreciated by his opponents as well.”

Dr Shah asserted that the main target of the series, more so than Muslims, are the six billion non-Muslims who are unaware of the work done by such Muslim rulers. Dr Ansari also felt that today’s generation is unfamiliar with Salahuddin’s achievement despite his vast rule over Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Diyarbakir and Hijaz,

Speaking about the themes interwoven within the series, he elaborated that it focuses on how the Quran can be used when it comes to governance. “The series focuses on the Quran, history and religious harmony. These things together make it clear that the Quran can be used effectively to govern empires, which can be embraced by people of all religions.”

When asked for an explanation for why they had chosen to collaborate with a Turkish production house, Dr Ansari shared that the two production houses had a similar vision, and Akli Films’ experience in the field of historical dramas made them the perfect partners. “Akli Films had a similar point of view as us, and the fact that they have both the experience and seriousness to execute a project such as this, we decided to work with them to create this historical series,” he said.

According to Dr Shah, Pakistani dramas need to move away from the typical saas-bahu storylines. He shared, “Pakistani dramas are not moving beyond the superficial issues of mother-in-law’s quarrels and are thus suffering from stagnation. The quality of our dramas is not such that can be shown to the world.”

He added further that the project would not just focus on recruiting skilled artists, but will also focus on technical staff, working with all the involved sectors to produce the series. Through this, he hopes Pakistan will learn what it means to be a part of world-class production and will be able to create the same quality of work going forward.

In response to a question, Dr Ansari shared that the screenwriters for the series have enlisted the help of Turkish historians, researchers and authors. He explained that he hopes work can be completed by September, after which screen testing can begin once the characters are fully fleshed out.

Born in Tikrit, Iraq, Salahuddin Ayyubi is also known as the ‘Conqueror of Jerusalem’, taking over the region in 1138. Elaborating on the popularity of the historic figure, Dr Ansari explained that ‘Salahuddin Day’ is celebrated in honour of Salahuddin Ayyubi every year on June 9 in Norway.

He added that Richard I of England, also known as ‘Lion Heart’, who fought Salahuddin Ayyubi in battle once said that if there was one enemy he honoured from the heart, it was Salahuddin.

Having welcomed the project offer from Ansari & Shah Films, producer Emre Konuk, owner of Turkey's Akli Films, announced on Saturday that they have reached an agreement.

"A happy news on a blessed Friday night! Contract signed between Akli Films and Ansari & Shah Films about ‘Sultan Selahaddin Ayyubi’," Konuk tweeted.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/231747...ain-target-salahuddin-ayyubi-series-producers

 

[saeedhk]

The obsession with Ertugrul continues. Does the government have something better to do given the state of the economy?

 

[Heisenberg111]

If you have enjoyed watching Ertugral Series then this series right up there or even better then Ertugral Series.
Its about the Seljuk reign of Sultan Melikshah & his great vizier Nizam ul Mulk on how they battle with Byzantine Empire & schemes & plots of the Batini sect of Ismaili Shia's.
The acting, plots, action is all great if you enjoyed Ertugral definitely will enjoy this.
https://youtu.be/QuMYpSPbD_E

I am currently watching it and must say that great viewing thus far. This show is definitely better than Kurulus Osman.

 

[daytrader]

Looking in hindsight, I think this was a brilliant move by Imran Khan. He has conditioned the nation to not accept traitors as they do more harm than enemies.

In the current political situation, he has now exposed 'traitors' and the public is buying it. Won't be surprised if some heads roll in the near future

 

[gazza619]

Looking in hindsight, I think this was a brilliant move by Imran Khan. He has conditioned the nation to not accept traitors as they do more harm than enemies.

In the current political situation, he has now exposed 'traitors' and the public is buying it. Won't be surprised if some heads roll in the near future

I think you are over thinking. Etrugul was not aired for any political benefits.

 

[daytrader]

I think you are over thinking. Etrugul was not aired for any political benefits.

Maybe.. it's just a thought. Looking at it in isolation, it doesn't seem like a big deal. However IK has always been preaching morality to the masses. His stance of Riaste Medina, the education reforms, his stance against American interference, it seems he genuinely wants to see Pakistan be an Islamic super power. Getting rid of traitors would be essential towards this path.

 

[gazza619]

Maybe.. it's just a thought. Looking at it in isolation, it doesn't seem like a big deal. However IK has always been preaching morality to the masses. His stance of Riaste Medina, the education reforms, his stance against American interference, it seems he genuinely wants to see Pakistan be an Islamic super power. Getting rid of traitors would be essential towards this path.

PTI will have to get rid of 75% people to get properly cleansed. Massive ask as the general voter loves to vote for the corrupt goons.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Fun fact - Ertugrul is mentioned on Kanye Wests Donda Album

 

[Mamoon]

Looking in hindsight, I think this was a brilliant move by Imran Khan. He has conditioned the nation to not accept traitors as they do more harm than enemies.

In the current political situation, he has now exposed 'traitors' and the public is buying it. Won't be surprised if some heads roll in the near future

) ) )

The level of cringe among PTI supporters is at an all-time high.

Apparently, this third class fictional show based on a barbaric looter and plunderer was part of Imran’s grand plan.

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry, I think I would laugh.

 

[Itachi]

Looking in hindsight, I think this was a brilliant move by Imran Khan. He has conditioned the nation to not accept traitors as they do more harm than enemies.

In the current political situation, he has now exposed 'traitors' and the public is buying it. Won't be surprised if some heads roll in the near future

well.... as it turns out, fiction will be finction and reality is something else.