Explosive - The law firm Maryam Nawaz "used" for her trust deed had been dormant

[Bewal Express]

Oh dear i just got sent a link that the law firm she claimed to have used for her trust deed and supposedly highly reputable has been Dormant most of the existence since 1992. Can this really be true?
Look at the 2006 and 2007 in particular. Its say the company was Dormant. How can a dormant company verify a trust deed if its not trading? Maryam are you lying again.


https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02672782/filing-history?page=1

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Not surprised that no Noora’s have showed up.

 

[Bewal Express]

Not surprised that no Noora’s have showed up.

We need some law experts to put a little more meat on the bones. Can a reputable law firm really dormant for most of its existence and still be seen as reputable? If a Company is dormant at the time of attestion of the deed, when was the deed actually signed? Is this the reason the Calibri font was used, a font that wasnt even commercially available at the time the deed was created.

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION] is this establishment sazish too?

 

[Bewal Express]

So when the deed was attested the company was Dormant.
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[Bewal Express]

This is from the court.

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[Bewal Express]

Thanks Mods. [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=101697]LegendInzi[/MENTION] [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]
Who is conspiring now to keep the truth from the public.

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION]
The power of the media and puts paid to the rubbish about the establishment. IB is govt intelligence agency and it goes around protecting a crook.

 

[DW44]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION]
The power of the media and puts paid to the rubbish about the establishment. IB is govt intelligence agency and it goes around protecting a crook.

Creating and protecting crooks seems to be what our intel agencies are best at. From the bit part civilian agencies like IB and petty crooks like Zardari/NS to the monstrosity that is the ISI and one of the larger criminal enterprises on the planet, our military.

 

[Bewal Express]

Creating and protecting crooks seems to be what our intel agencies are best at. From the bit part civilian agencies like IB and petty crooks like Zardari/NS to the monstrosity that is the ISI and one of the larger criminal enterprises on the planet, our military.

And catching Indian spies.

 

[DW44]

And catching Indian spies.

Claiming to catch them. Big difference.

 

[Bewal Express]

Claiming to catch them. Big difference.

As painful as it is to you, there are quite good catching them.

http://www.foxnewspoint.com/top-10-best-intelligence-agencies-in-the-world-2017/

 

[DW44]

As painful as it is to you, there are quite good catching them.

http://www.foxnewspoint.com/top-10-best-intelligence-agencies-in-the-world-2017/

I have enough ISI walas in my family to not have to resort to using some third rate fox news piggy backer as the source of my information. What's ironic here is that you question the credibility of people like NS, Maryam and Zardari yet seem to be fairly fond of an institution that makes all of those people look like saints who have never lied or stolen a penny.

 

[Bewal Express]

I have enough ISI walas in my family to not have to resort to using some third rate fox news piggy backer as the source of my information. What's ironic here is that you question the credibility of people like NS, Maryam and Zardari yet seem to be fairly fond of an institution that makes all of those people look like saints who have never lied or stolen a penny.

I would take the ISI and PK army over and your crooks any day of the week. They are not perfect but they put their lives on the line, you and your crooks dont.

 

[Shera]

I would take the ISI and PK army over and your crooks any day of the week. They are not perfect but they put their lives on the line, you and your crooks dont.

People should have right to vote for anyone they want, Dictatorship is the reason why our country is in such a huge mess right now. Only civilian supermacy can bring Pakistan to prosperity but who I am talking to? Someone who's living in the UK and probably hasn't visited Pakistan in last decade or so.

 

[IMMY69]

I have enough ISI walas in my family to not have to resort to using some third rate fox news piggy backer as the source of my information. What's ironic here is that you question the credibility of people like NS, Maryam and Zardari yet seem to be fairly fond of an institution that makes all of those people look like saints who have never lied or stolen a penny.

That old chestnut

 

[Bewal Express]

People should have right to vote for anyone they want, Dictatorship is the reason why our country is in such a huge mess right now. Only civilian supermacy can bring Pakistan to prosperity but who I am talking to? Someone who's living in the UK and probably hasn't visited Pakistan in last decade or so.

The idea of honest civilians ruling PK is great but the civilian supremacy over the last decade is the worst advertisement that there could be for democracy. Yes we had the great AZ who looted and plundered like the world was about come to end, and then we have the Sharif brothers whose only interest in democracy is that they should be above the law and loot and plunder at will.

 

[Bewal Express]

I have enough ISI walas in my family to not have to resort to using some third rate fox news piggy backer as the source of my information. What's ironic here is that you question the credibility of people like NS, Maryam and Zardari yet seem to be fairly fond of an institution that makes all of those people look like saints who have never lied or stolen a penny.

So when we had the discussion about the Police, you had lots of Police in your family, now that we are talking about the ISI you have lots of ISI people in your family. Maybe its just family that is crooked and hence why you think they are all bad.

 

[DW44]

So when we had the discussion about the Police, you had lots of Police in your family, now that we are talking about the ISI you have lots of ISI people in your family. Maybe its just family that is crooked and hence why you think they are all bad.

What can I say, we have big families up north and mine has history with military and law enforcement going back to the colonial era. Unfortunately, judging by the opinions you express, you clearly don't have a decent source of information, particularly the kind that doesn't make it to the evening news on third class outlets like Bol or ARY, which explains the poorly informed nonsense you frequently try to pass off as your opinions here.

 

[Bewal Express]

What can I say, we have big families up north and mine has history with military and law enforcement going back to the colonial era. Unfortunately, judging by the opinions you express, you clearly don't have a decent source of information, particularly the kind that doesn't make it to the evening news on third class outlets like Bol or ARY, which explains the poorly informed nonsense you frequently try to pass off as your opinions here.

So the apparently you have family members in the Police, Army and ISI and according to you they are all corrupt. Is there anyone in your family that is honest. Are you the beneficiary of this corruption?

 

[tahir_dj]

So the apparently you have family members in the Police, Army and ISI and according to you they are all corrupt. Is there anyone in your family that is honest. Are you the beneficiary of this corruption?

like nooras
poora tabar hre chor hai hence why he think everyone else os corrupt

 

[Bewal Express]

like nooras
poora tabar hre chor hai hence why he think everyone else os corrupt

Its a fair question, if everyone in these institutions is corrupt then it holds to reason that his family are or who have been members of these organisations are also corrupt.

 

[Syed1]

Its a fair question, if everyone in these institutions is corrupt then it holds to reason that his family are or who have been members of these organisations are also corrupt.

He did a runner again

 

[Bewal Express]

He did a runner again

Lets hear from him which members of his family that are in the ISI are corrupt? Which members of his family in the army are corrupt? I didnt ask him to tell me what his family did for a living he boasted that he had all these people in these services, which he misses no opportunity to call corrupt.

 

[Bewal Express]

My dad was in the army in the 50's, he got nothing bar a pension that even by those standards was incredibly low. If these people are going to take the high ground against the army, then we need to hear them out.

Ps
I will, if i can find it post a pic of his army pension.

 

[Syed1]

Lets hear from him which members of his family that are in the ISI are corrupt? Which members of his family in the army are corrupt? I didnt ask him to tell me what his family did for a living he boasted that he had all these people in these services, which he misses no opportunity to call corrupt.

You will get the typical response that the institutions are corrupt but their family members are paragon of honesty. I had a "friend" whose father worked in government bureaucracy and father managed to send three kids to study abroad on his government paycheque, but apparently their father was the only honest bureaucrat in that government office. Laughable really.

 

[DW44]

I would take the ISI and PK army over and your crooks any day of the week. They are not perfect but they put their lives on the line, you and your crooks dont.

You support a terrorist financier so supporting those crooks is not too big a leap for someone with your questionable intelligence and integrity.

So the apparently you have family members in the Police, Army and ISI and according to you they are all corrupt. Is there anyone in your family that is honest. Are you the beneficiary of this corruption?

Some are, some aren't. What all of them are, however, is a great source of uncensored information, something you could use given your complete and utter ignorance of the nuances of Pakistani politics beyond the usual corruption ** you keep watching on Bol/ARY that cater to low IQ folk such as yourself. Don't see why you see ISI and army as separate entities since ISI is an arm of the army and recruits from there.

My dad was in the army in the 50's, he got nothing bar a pension that even by those standards was incredibly low. If these people are going to take the high ground against the army, then we need to hear them out.


I will, if i can find it post a pic of his army pension.

Remind me how many decades have passed since he 50s?

 

[DRsohail]

So according to some posters here as army is corrupt so everyone is entitled to do it.

 

[Bewal Express]

You support a terrorist financier so supporting those crooks is not too big a leap for someone with your questionable intelligence and integrity.

Some are, some aren't. What all of them are, however, is a great source of uncensored information, something you could use given your complete and utter ignorance of the nuances of Pakistani politics beyond the usual corruption ** you keep watching on Bol/ARY that cater to low IQ folk such as yourself. Don't see why you see ISI and army as separate entities since ISI is an arm of the army and recruits from there.

Remind me how many decades have passed since he 50s?

Lots of writing but no answers. Is your family the beneficiaries of the corruption in the Army, Police and the ISI? Yes or No?

 

[Bewal Express]

The answer is yes. And you have the audacity to lecture us, people that were poor and never stole a penny from PK . It holds to reason that you are the direct beneficiary of this corruption, so your sympathy and empathy for Maryam should be seen as one beneficiary of corruption supporting another.
I suggest you talk to your family and lecture them on morality and rather than give us lectures.

 

[DW44]

Lots of writing but no answers. Is your family the beneficiaries of the corruption in the Army, Police and the ISI? Yes or No?

None of your business. Argue the issues, not my personal life. What individual members of my family do or not do doesn't concern me, much less you.

I don't care whether or not you stole a penny. What I do care about is that you support a terrorist financier, a right wing nut and you have enough nerve and gall to come here and whine about corruption like that's the big issue here? And on top of all that, you expose your own hypocrisy by then supporting a more corrupt entity over the relatively less corrupt one you oppose?

 

[Bewal Express]

None of your business. Argue the issues, not my personal life. What individual members of my family do or not do doesn't concern me, much less you.

I don't care whether or not you stole a penny. What I do care about is that you support a terrorist financier, a right wing nut and you have enough nerve and gall to come here and whine about corruption like that's the big issue here? And on top of all that, you expose your own hypocrisy by then supporting a more corrupt entity over the relatively less corrupt one you oppose?

I never cared for what you or your family did bu its you that brought the Army, " the ISI Walas" into the debate and how corrupt they were and now that the boot is on the other foot, apparently its none of our business. You are the beneficiary of the corruption and i say, that why IK's anti corruption stance hurts you in particular so much. Unlike you i dont pretend to be perfect but i hate people that steal off the poor or their supporters.

 

[DW44]

I never cared for what you or your family did bu its you that brought the Army, " the ISI Walas" into the debate and how corrupt they were and now that the boot is on the other foot, apparently its none of our business. You are the beneficiary of the corruption and i say, that why IK's anti corruption stance hurts you in particular so much. Unlike you i dont pretend to be perfect but i hate people that steal off the poor or their supporters.

I brought it up specifically to emphasise just how wide the knowledge gal between the two parties to this debate is, not as a point of discussion in itself and I will not be entertaining any questions concerning my personal circumstances. I could care less about his hypocritical anti corrupt stance when he is shameless enough to appoint Pervez Khattak of all people CM. My reservations about that terrorist funding scumbag has always been his mullah in disguise tactics, funding terrorist training institutes, letting JI dictate what goes on in schoolbooks and his crook CM directing his subordinates to have the contents of textbooks approved by Sipah Sahaba of all people. As far as corruption goes, you and your mini me Syed1 support the most corrupt entity in the land so your rants against Nooras don't fool anyone as to your true intentions. You don't care about corruption, you just want Taliban Khan in power. If you did, your vitriol would be directed against the crooked, land grabbing murderers you'd rather have over Nooras when it's clear as daylight that Nooras are saints compared to the army/ISI.

 

[IMMY69]

Some people are so entrenched in curruption that they’ll go to any level to defend it.
Try life without it, yes you’ll struggle financially as without it you’re mostly likely nothing, but at least you’ll sleep better at night knowing you are no longer depriving the poor.

 

[Bewal Express]

I brought it up specifically to emphasise just how wide the knowledge gal between the two parties to this debate is, not as a point of discussion in itself and I will not be entertaining any questions concerning my personal circumstances. I could care less about his hypocritical anti corrupt stance when he is shameless enough to appoint Pervez Khattak of all people CM. My reservations about that terrorist funding scumbag has always been his mullah in disguise tactics, funding terrorist training institutes, letting JI dictate what goes on in schoolbooks and his crook CM directing his subordinates to have the contents of textbooks approved by Sipah Sahaba of all people. As far as corruption goes, you and your mini me Syed1 support the most corrupt entity in the land so your rants against Nooras don't fool anyone as to your true intentions. You don't care about corruption, you just want Taliban Khan in power. If you did, your vitriol would be directed against the crooked, land grabbing murderers you'd rather have over Nooras when it's clear as daylight that Nooras are saints compared to the army/ISI.

So you a person who spent hours on the your moral high horse, is revealed by you( by accident) as a beneficiary of the corruption that apparently is not a big problem according to you a person that has benefitted. What a surprise!If the army is corrupt and your family has benefitted from it, will you get them to return the money or is it just talk that you are good at.
We dont need lectures from you, and you call IK- one of the honest politicians in PK names is not going to make a difference to me. You can call him what ever you like, but what you cant get away from is that you are the beneficiary of corruption and thats why you hate him so much. I bet that pain is much, you are no better than AZ, NS or Maryam. IK has achieved more in his life than you, and any other crook will ever get close to. He will be remembered forever!!!!!

 

[DW44]

Some people are so entrenched in curruption that they’ll go to any level to defend it.
Try life without it, yes you’ll struggle financially as without it you’re mostly likely nothing, but at least you’ll sleep better at night knowing you are no longer depriving the poor.

Others still would consider it their moral imperative to not allow an undue amount of attention towards corruption when quite clearly it's an attempt to deflect from bigger, more serious issues. It's no coincidence that the biggest crusader against corruption, to the point where this person contends corruption is the not only the biggest but also practically the only issue in Pakistan, is a financier of terrorists, who has done everything in his power to indoctrinate the next generation of children in KPK into extremism, all while forming alliances with known terrorist organizations (apart from the one he has funded twice now), issued blatantly false and misleading statements regarding his reasons for funding the Taliban's flagship training institute and tried to shift the blame for the mass murder caused by his Islamist friends towards the liberals who have opposed them every step of the way. Stands to reason that someone like that will attract feeble minded followers who contribute nothing more to the national discourse other than parroting their nutjob leader's latest sermon. Corruption is not the biggest issue in Pakistan, Islam is.

 

[DW44]

So you a person who spent hours on the your moral high horse, is revealed by you( by accident) as a beneficiary of the corruption that apparently is not a big problem according to you a person that has benefitted. What a surprise!If the army is corrupt and your family has benefitted from it, will you get them to return the money or is it just talk that you are good at.

Revealed where? Please point out where specifically that “explosive” bit of information was revealed, or are you just following in your leader’s footsteps and making things up as you go along? There’s no if about the army being corrupt. Not only is it corrupt, it is so corrupt that it makes Nawaz Sharif, a man who has stolen a minimum of $5-6 billion dollars of public money, look like a paragon of honesty. That you refuse to acknowledge this fact is why your hypocritical ramblings about corruption are meaningless because selective outrage is worse than no outrage at all, especially when the selective outrage is directed at petty theft while ignoring daylight robbery.

We dont need lectures from you, and you call IK- one of the honest politicians in PK names is not going to make a difference to me. You can call him what ever you like, but what you cant get away from is that you are the beneficiary of corruption and thats why you hate him so much. I bet that pain is much, you are no better than AZ, NS or Maryam. IK has achieved more in his life than you, and any other crook will ever get close to. He will be remembered forever!!!!!

Yes you do. Your honest leader finances terrorists. Fact. Your honest leader is currently in an alliance with a terrorist organization. Fact. Your honest leader is a hypocrite who cries and moans about NS’ corruption from the army’s lap despite the army being infinitely more corrupt than NS. Fact. Your honest leader played stupid as to why Mashal Khan was lynched – the first lynching in KPK history – two years after passages glorifying Ilam Deen were added to KPK textbooks under his watch by his other terrorist supporting ally, JI. Fact. Your honest leader is no different to Altaf Hussain and Nawaz Sharif in the 80s or Bhutto during the 60s, riding high while the khakis have his back. Lets see how well that works out for him. Hopefully just as well as it did for Altaf and Nawaz.

I could care less about his achievements if all they’re good for is strengthening terrorists and extremists, I’d rather have a no-name leader who actually believes in something rather than a terrorist financing hypocrite who complains about one man’s corruption at the behest of an infinitely more corrupt institution. If for all his achievements he doesn’t have a penny’s worth of principles, shame on him and the hypocrites who support him.

 

[Bewal Express]

Revealed where? Please point out where specifically that “explosive” bit of information was revealed, or are you just following in your leader’s footsteps and making things up as you go along? There’s no if about the army being corrupt. Not only is it corrupt, it is so corrupt that it makes Nawaz Sharif, a man who has stolen a minimum of $5-6 billion dollars of public money, look like a paragon of honesty. That you refuse to acknowledge this fact is why your hypocritical ramblings about corruption are meaningless because selective outrage is worse than no outrage at all, especially when the selective outrage is directed at petty theft while ignoring daylight robbery.

Yes you do. Your honest leader finances terrorists. Fact. Your honest leader is currently in an alliance with a terrorist organization. Fact. Your honest leader is a hypocrite who cries and moans about NS’ corruption from the army’s lap despite the army being infinitely more corrupt than NS. Fact. Your honest leader played stupid as to why Mashal Khan was lynched – the first lynching in KPK history – two years after passages glorifying Ilam Deen were added to KPK textbooks under his watch by his other terrorist supporting ally, JI. Fact. Your honest leader is no different to Altaf Hussain and Nawaz Sharif in the 80s or Bhutto during the 60s, riding high while the khakis have his back. Lets see how well that works out for him. Hopefully just as well as it did for Altaf and Nawaz.

I could care less about his achievements if all they’re good for is strengthening terrorists and extremists, I’d rather have a no-name leader who actually believes in something rather than a terrorist financing hypocrite who complains about one man’s corruption at the behest of an infinitely more corrupt institution. If for all his achievements he doesn’t have a penny’s worth of principles, shame on him and the hypocrites who support him.

As you and family are the type of people that benefit from the army corruption and then get on your high horse and say the army is corrupt. START with your family and pay the money back. I bet your whole life has been funded by corruption, whilst IK and me, have had to work hard.
As far as the you go on about terrorist financing- its rubbish. Firstly he was Yahoodi agent and now he is terrorist financier. I just wish guys make up your mind. The real pain is that he is coming after losers who steal from the poor and thats why you are so bitter.
Your bitterness is for all to see because what ever he has done, he has been successful. But keep hating Loser!!!

 

[IMMY69]

Others still would consider it their moral imperative to not allow an undue amount of attention towards corruption when quite clearly it's an attempt to deflect from bigger, more serious issues. It's no coincidence that the biggest crusader against corruption, to the point where this person contends corruption is the not only the biggest but also practically the only issue in Pakistan, is a financier of terrorists, who has done everything in his power to indoctrinate the next generation of children in KPK into extremism, all while forming alliances with known terrorist organizations (apart from the one he has funded twice now), issued blatantly false and misleading statements regarding his reasons for funding the Taliban's flagship training institute and tried to shift the blame for the mass murder caused by his Islamist friends towards the liberals who have opposed them every step of the way. Stands to reason that someone like that will attract feeble minded followers who contribute nothing more to the national discourse other than parroting their nutjob leader's latest sermon. Corruption is not the biggest issue in Pakistan, Islam is.

Do you think that by mouthing of stuff from the top of your head, clearly out of desperation, is going to make it true?

Where are the cases against IK when it comes to laundering money, lying to the public, steeling from the poor, paying off poor people to vote for them in elections etc etc etc etc???

These are facts. Desperate people try to deflect from the truth...

For all my distrust of the Army and ISI, for every so called terrorist they have funded I can call out even more treacherous acts against humanity carried out by the bastion of Democracy as well as other western countries.

The desperation is palpable. One the one hand you have people supporting democracy and making scandalous accusations against the judiciary whilst at the same time backing a party and its leadership who have stolen from the country.

The same party whose leader was given birth by a previous military dictator who brought new meaning to financing extremism.

But this is the thing, if we are to follow democracy and if you really do care about the country then why not try a party that has never been elected as government? Afterall, in a democracy, if his policies are not working then the electorate has a chance to change the government.

I know this will go over your head. You know why and I think most people here will know too.
So I suspect this will be the last time I debate with you over anything. Good luck

 

[DW44]

As you and family are the type of people that benefit from the army corruption and then get on your high horse and say the army is corrupt. START with your family and pay the money back. I bet your whole life has been funded by corruption, whilst IK and me, have had to work hard.

What money? One has to be a whole different level of stupid to accuse someone who has opposed the army every step of the way of being a beneficiary of the army’s corruption, but then it’s not surprising coming from a devotee of Taliban Khan. Hypocrisy, lying and not letting facts get in the way of a good rant come with the territory. You can bet what you want, makes no difference to me. My conscience is clean which is why I, unlike you, don’t get outraged selectively depending on who the guilty party is.

As far as the you go on about terrorist financing- its rubbish. Firstly he was Yahoodi agent and now he is terrorist financier. I just wish guys make up your mind. The real pain is that he is coming after losers who steal from the poor and thats why you are so bitter.
Your bitterness is for all to see because what ever he has done, he has been successful. But keep hating Loser!!1

Rubbish, my rear end. $5.5 million dollars. $3 million of them transferred the same week 14 girls colleges shut down because T.Khan cares more about his terrorist friends than he does about women’s education. I don’t know what you mean by you guys since I’ve always maintained that T.Khan is, well, T.Khan. The yahudi agent claims come from people not too dissimilar to you in that they too don’t let facts get in the way of a good slogan. He’s a nutter who’s in bed with at least half a dozen organizations that facilitate and finance terrorists, or are terrorsits themselves. All of those are indisputable facts. He might have been successful as a cricketer but as a politician, he’s a joke and I’ll be sure to remind you of that fact when he loses another election to a freaking bald, disqualified fatso NS of all people because as bad as NS or Zardari may be, they’re saints compared to the people propping up T.Khan and the people T.Khan is allied with or funds.

 

[DW44]

Do you think that by mouthing of stuff from the top of your head, clearly out of desperation, is going to make it true?

Where are the cases against IK when it comes to laundering money, lying to the public, steeling from the poor, paying off poor people to vote for them in elections etc etc etc etc???

These are facts. Desperate people try to deflect from the truth...

It is true, not two ways about it even if it stings the Taliban funding messiah’s supporters. What you’re suggesting here is that unless T.Khan is guilty of money laundering, of which I have repeatedly said he is not, everything is A-OK even if what he is guilty of is far worse than money laundering or corruption of any kind. It is an indisputable fact that he has now made grants amounting to $5.5 million to the Taliban’s largest training and indoctrination facility anywhere on earth. It is a fact that he is in an electoral alliance with ASWJ, political front of Lashkar e Jhangvi who have killed more Pakistanis than anyone except TTP. It is a fact that Jamat e Islami took KPK’s education system back to the Zia era under his watch and with his blessing. Not only are those facts, they’re pretty indisputable ones considering most of this information is easily available in the public domain.

For all my distrust of the Army and ISI, for every so called terrorist they have funded I can call out even more treacherous acts against humanity carried out by the bastion of Democracy as well as other western countries.

Whatever dastardly acts western countries have committed do not concern me. What happens in Pakistan does and as far as what happens in Pakistan goes, there is no truer manifestation of evil and corruption than the Pakistani military. No other entity in Pakistan is responsible for murdering tens of thousands of its critics, raping hundreds of thousands of civilians in 1971 in what was then still Pakistan, occupying at least 15-20% of the agricultural land with a lifetime value in the tens, if not hundreds, of billions of dollars so when one of their stooges, an Islamist at that, complains about NS being corrupt, the hypocrisy can be heard round the world.

The desperation is palpable. One the one hand you have people supporting democracy and making scandalous accusations against the judiciary whilst at the same time backing a party and its leadership who have stolen from the country.

The same party whose leader was given birth by a previous military dictator who brought new meaning to financing extremism.

And just like I opposed that product of dictatorship, I will continue to oppose the spawn of Hamid Gul pretending to be some great leader.

But this is the thing, if we are to follow democracy and if you really do care about the country then why not try a party that has never been elected as government? Afterall, in a democracy, if his policies are not working then the electorate has a chance to change the government.

I know this will go over your head. You know why and I think most people here will know too.
So I suspect this will be the last time I debate with you over anything. Good luck

Been there, done that. Voted for T.Khan against my better judgement and every principle I hold dear purely for the reason you stated i.e. to try something new. Was proven right when he promptly went about talibanizing the schools in my province and funding Taliban madrassas with money that could have prevented at least 14 girls’ colleges from shutting down the same week the Taliban became beneficiaries of his largesse. With that kind of a track record, thanks but no thanks, I’d rather vote for a pink baboon than a guy who supports the people who killed my 16 year old cousin in his school and gives millions of dollars to the ideological cohorts of those people.

 

[Bewal Express]

What money? One has to be a whole different level of stupid to accuse someone who has opposed the army every step of the way of being a beneficiary of the army’s corruption, but then it’s not surprising coming from a devotee of Taliban Khan. Hypocrisy, lying and not letting facts get in the way of a good rant come with the territory. You can bet what you want, makes no difference to me. My conscience is clean which is why I, unlike you, don’t get outraged selectively depending on who the guilty party is.


Rubbish, my rear end. $5.5 million dollars. $3 million of them transferred the same week 14 girls colleges shut down because T.Khan cares more about his terrorist friends than he does about women’s education. I don’t know what you mean by you guys since I’ve always maintained that T.Khan is, well, T.Khan. The yahudi agent claims come from people not too dissimilar to you in that they too don’t let facts get in the way of a good slogan. He’s a nutter who’s in bed with at least half a dozen organizations that facilitate and finance terrorists, or are terrorsits themselves. All of those are indisputable facts. He might have been successful as a cricketer but as a politician, he’s a joke and I’ll be sure to remind you of that fact when he loses another election to a freaking bald, disqualified fatso NS of all people because as bad as NS or Zardari may be, they’re saints compared to the people propping up T.Khan and the people T.Khan is allied with or funds.



What theft? Gotta love how you start every sentence with "I bet" and then insisit that what you bet are, in fact, facts. What a load of **.

this thread was about the Sharif family lies and corruption and You came on here to defend Maryams corruption. Why would anyone do that if they werent beneficiaries of the corrupt system? You have told us in on many occasions that your family is part of the Military/ ISI/Police and each of these organisations which you have accused of being more corrupt than the Nooras. Then it holds to reason that as your family are part of these organisations they are also corrupt- which you admitted to this morning. If they are corrupt then you are beneficiary, Hence your sympathies with Maryam and this Thread.
Again you calling him a nutter, terrorist supporter or any other label makes no difference to me because you saying it doesnt make it true. In reality The fact is that he is the most honest senior politician in PK and as the joke you call him has single handedly taken on the mafia and has made them run. Your hate makes no difference , the guy is a billion times better than you and the other thieves.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Others still would consider it their moral imperative to not allow an undue amount of attention towards corruption when quite clearly it's an attempt to deflect from bigger, more serious issues. It's no coincidence that the biggest crusader against corruption, to the point where this person contends corruption is the not only the biggest but also practically the only issue in Pakistan, is a financier of terrorists, who has done everything in his power to indoctrinate the next generation of children in KPK into extremism, all while forming alliances with known terrorist organizations (apart from the one he has funded twice now), issued blatantly false and misleading statements regarding his reasons for funding the Taliban's flagship training institute and tried to shift the blame for the mass murder caused by his Islamist friends towards the liberals who have opposed them every step of the way. Stands to reason that someone like that will attract feeble minded followers who contribute nothing more to the national discourse other than parroting their nutjob leader's latest sermon. Corruption is not the biggest issue in Pakistan, Islam is.

In which case why bother addressing corruption when there's far bigger problems to sort out right?

 

[Bewal Express]

In which case why bother addressing corruption when there's far bigger problems to sort out right?

The bigger problem is the mafia that defend the corruption because they are beneficiaries.

 

[waqar goraya]

DW raises issue of govt grant to a Madrassah chain in his every post. I fail to understand that If the Madrassah that got finances is producing terrorists then why it is not closed completely?

If that Madrassah is producing terrorists which fight army then how army has not been able to close that Madrassah or stop its finances?

Extremists and terrorists also belong to institutions such as IBA and others? Should their funding also be stopped?

Those who approved grant say that it is to build infrastructure after the management consented to reform syllabus and include computer, maths etc in their curriculum. They say that it is to help the poor lot that goes to these Madrassahs. They say that it will help to keep govt abreast of the Madressah activities, lessen extremism and help those students in finding better work and educational opportunities after they pass out from Madrassahs. The PTI KPK govt says that those poor children also have a right in this country.

There are only two options. Either you are going to close those Madrassahs or update their syllabus and management.

I would like DW's insight here.

 

[King-Misbah]

DW raises issue of govt grant to a Madrassah chain in his every post. I fail to understand that If the Madrassah that got finances is producing terrorists then why it is not closed completely?

If that Madrassah is producing terrorists which fight army then how army has not been able to close that Madrassah or stop its finances?

Extremists and terrorists also belong to institutions such as IBA and others? Should their funding also be stopped?

Those who approved grant say that it is to build infrastructure after the management consented to reform syllabus and include computer, maths etc in their curriculum. They say that it is to help the poor lot that goes to these Madrassahs. They say that it will help to keep govt abreast of the Madressah activities, lessen extremism and help those students in finding better work and educational opportunities after they pass out from Madrassahs. The PTI KPK govt says that those poor children also have a right in this country.

There are only two options. Either you are going to close those Madrassahs or update their syllabus and management.

I would like DW's insight here.

DW has limited insight. It is either blame the army, Imran Khan or mullahs Read his posts and you quickly realise this pattern. Ofcourse, PMLN are saints.

 

[DW44]

this thread was about the Sharif family lies and corruption and You came on here to defend Maryams corruption. Why would anyone do that if they werent beneficiaries of the corrupt system? You have told us in on many occasions that your family is part of the Military/ ISI/Police and each of these organisations which you have accused of being more corrupt than the Nooras. Then it holds to reason that as your family are part of these organisations they are also corrupt- which you admitted to this morning. If they are corrupt then you are beneficiary, Hence your sympathies with Maryam and this Thread.
Again you calling him a nutter, terrorist supporter or any other label makes no difference to me because you saying it doesnt make it true. In reality The fact is that he is the most honest senior politician in PK and as the joke you call him has single handedly taken on the mafia and has made them run. Your hate makes no difference , the guy is a billion times better than you and the other thieves.

Defended Mariam where? You really do live in your own little world, don't you, where anyone who criticizes Taliban Khan is somehow defending NS etc because its clearly not possible to despise both. I have family in the previously listed institutions and it speaks to the values instilled in me by them that I still oppose them every step of the way. Unfortunately, your values become evident when, after crying and moaning about corruption, you go on to defend the most corrupt people in the country, not to mention terrorist financiers so you of all people don't get to call anyone out on anything. A lying hypocrite is what you were when I first labeled you that and things don't seem to have changed much.

As for T.Khan being better than anyone, a cockatoo is better than NS or AZ. Doesn't mean T. Khan still isn't a terrorist funding piece of crap. His honesty is worthless when what he is doing honestly is following the footsteps of Zia ul Haq. He can do one with his honesty for all I care.

 

[DW44]

DW raises issue of govt grant to a Madrassah chain in his every post. I fail to understand that If the Madrassah that got finances is producing terrorists then why it is not closed completely?

If that Madrassah is producing terrorists which fight army then how army has not been able to close that Madrassah or stop its finances?

Extremists and terrorists also belong to institutions such as IBA and others? Should their funding also be stopped?

Those who approved grant say that it is to build infrastructure after the management consented to reform syllabus and include computer, maths etc in their curriculum. They say that it is to help the poor lot that goes to these Madrassahs. They say that it will help to keep govt abreast of the Madressah activities, lessen extremism and help those students in finding better work and educational opportunities after they pass out from Madrassahs. The PTI KPK govt says that those poor children also have a right in this country.

There are only two options. Either you are going to close those Madrassahs or update their syllabus and management.

I would like DW's insight here.

Surely I don't need to tell you that there's such a thing as good Taliban and bad Taliban. Haqqania is associated with the Afghan Taliban, people who are not only not fighting the army but actively enjoying their patronage. Notable alumni include Mullah Omar, Jalaluddin Haqqani and Akhtar Mansoor. If this was a ttp associated seminary, your point would stand but let's not pretend that our army would go after the Afghan Taliban.

 

[Bewal Express]

Defended Mariam where? You really do live in your own little world, don't you, where anyone who criticizes Taliban Khan is somehow defending NS etc because its clearly not possible to despise both. I have family in the previously listed institutions and it speaks to the values instilled in me by them that I still oppose them every step of the way. Unfortunately, your values become evident when, after crying and moaning about corruption, you go on to defend the most corrupt people in the country, not to mention terrorist financiers so you of all people don't get to call anyone out on anything. A lying hypocrite is what you were when I first labeled you that and things don't seem to have changed much.

As for T.Khan being better than anyone, a cockatoo is better than NS or AZ. Doesn't mean T. Khan still isn't a terrorist funding piece of crap. His honesty is worthless when what he is doing honestly is following the footsteps of Zia ul Haq. He can do one with his honesty for all I care.

Where did i defend Maryam and corruption you ask? As you spent the whole my thread denigrating my intelligence maybe you and your goldfish could get together and have a memory competition.
Billions stolen, institutions destroyed, external national debt doubled in the last 10 years not to mention the internal national debt. So here is your own words:

"an undue amount of attention towards corruption"
"selective outrage is directed at petty theft"
"petty crooks like Zardari/NS"
"whine about corruption like that's the big issue"

Oh dear.

 

[DW44]

Where did i defend Maryam and corruption you ask? As you spent the whole my thread denigrating my intelligence maybe you and your goldfish could get together and have a memory competition.
Billions stolen, institutions destroyed, external national debt doubled in the last 10 years not to mention the internal national debt. So here is your own words:

"an undue amount of attention towards corruption"
"selective outrage is directed at petty theft"
"petty crooks like Zardari/NS"
"whine about corruption like that's the big issue"

Oh dear.

How convenient. When in doubt, misquote without context. All of those statements were made while comparing Sharifs to the army. Context is important because while its true that they stole billions and all that jazz you keep repeating here, it's also true that when you consider the army's theft, it does make the Sharifs' theft look petty by comparison. Sharifs probably stole no more than ~$10 billion over their political career. What the army has stolen is orders of magnitude higher than that. While $10 billion is not petty by any means, it is petty when compared to what the army steals.

My problem isn't with Sharifs being called out on their theft, especially since a lot of that money was stolen from my province. I object to the hypocrisy of the same people who criticize Sharifs for being corrupt then defending the army, a far more corrupt entity that has done more damage to the country than the Sharifs ever could. The agricultural land occupied by the army alone has a lifetime value in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Off course you're already aware of all that since my disdain for Sharifs is no secret but true to youthiya form, any criticism of Khan is met with ad homing attacks and accusations of being a PML supporter.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION]

If Islam was Pakistan's biggest problem then we would've been destined to vanish from the face of the Earth in a few years since we are "The ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of Pakistan" but we all know what happened instead.

In fact, in 1948, it was the army that saved my and your ancestor's rear ends and fought firmly against the Indian Army despite being inferior in every aspect. That you blame both of these entities as the ones responsible for Pakistan's economic, moral and financial issues.

And "THE FACTS" that you mention about Imran Khan and the establishment are word of mouth. There is no credibility to it at all as such info can't be verified through paperwork or documents. It doesn't make a difference whether those "FACTS" come from your relatives who've worked for the establishment or not. If you wanna prove your point then show us your references, websites, newspapers, documents etc which in any way indicate Army/Imran Khan's corruption/financing of terrorists etc.

 

[Bewal Express]

How convenient. When in doubt, misquote without context. All of those statements were made while comparing Sharifs to the army. Context is important because while its true that they stole billions and all that jazz you keep repeating here, it's also true that when you consider the army's theft, it does make the Sharifs' theft look petty by comparison. Sharifs probably stole no more than ~$10 billion over their political career. What the army has stolen is orders of magnitude higher than that. While $10 billion is not petty by any means, it is petty when compared to what the army steals.

My problem isn't with Sharifs being called out on their theft, especially since a lot of that money was stolen from my province. I object to the hypocrisy of the same people who criticize Sharifs for being corrupt then defending the army, a far more corrupt entity that has done more damage to the country than the Sharifs ever could. The agricultural land occupied by the army alone has a lifetime value in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Off course you're already aware of all that since my disdain for Sharifs is no secret but true to youthiya form, any criticism of Khan is met with ad homing attacks and accusations of being a PML supporter.

I quoted you directly. If billions is petty than maybe you need to get better context of the economic situation of 90% of 200mn. If the army is corrupt then call it out. But to call the blatant theft of billions as being given " undue attention" shows how much you care for PK. To call AZ/ NS petty crooks shows everything.
I dont care who you support or dont, but i do know from those quotes what you value and what you dont. IK is not perfect, he is flawed and makes mistakes.

 

[waqar goraya]

Surely I don't need to tell you that there's such a thing as good Taliban and bad Taliban. Haqqania is associated with the Afghan Taliban, people who are not only not fighting the army but actively enjoying their patronage. Notable alumni include Mullah Omar, Jalaluddin Haqqani and Akhtar Mansoor. If this was a ttp associated seminary, your point would stand but let's not pretend that our army would go after the Afghan Taliban.

You replied only to one aspect.

So, they fight with the army and yet the army supports them ?

 

[Pakpak]

I agree with DW44 that army has had too much power to meddle but let's imagine for a fact that the army right now was toothless. Nawaz would be sitting as a dictator with noone to stop him. He's almost impossible to get rid now as it is but without the army here (who have their problems but will never sell nukes out like the politicians would) he'd be out of control and our country would be finished with civil wars. Imagine Karachi but across entire Pakistan. There is a time and place to challenge the establishment but it is not now, that time will be when these corrupt politicians are gone and we have someone honest to cheer for in the government.

 

[waqar goraya]

Surely I don't need to tell you that there's such a thing as good Taliban and bad Taliban. Haqqania is associated with the Afghan Taliban, people who are not only not fighting the army but actively enjoying their patronage. Notable alumni include Mullah Omar, Jalaluddin Haqqani and Akhtar Mansoor. If this was a ttp associated seminary, your point would stand but let's not pretend that our army would go after the Afghan Taliban.

In the first quote i did not notice two nots. Ignore that.

What kind of support Haqqania provides to Afghan taliban?

At the same time, is Aghan taliban a terrorist organisation according to Pakistani or UN conventions?

How will the funds provided be used to propagate terrorism ?

 

[Mian]

Convicted in forgery case [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]