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It's unfortunate to see him being made a scapegoat despite not participating in a single match in this Champions Trophy. While it is alleged that his selection was due to political connections, this claim is not accurate. Faheem Ashraf's inclusion was a result of his excellent performances in domestic tournaments and leagues.

Let's check his numbers:

President's Cup

- He scored 264 runs in 4 innings at an average of 66 and SR of 129 and was the 2nd top run getter despite batting at no.6

- He also picked up 6 wickets in 5 innings

BPL T20

- He had highest strike rate in the tournament (231)

- He was the 2nd highest wicket-taker with 20 wickets in 11 matches at an average of 13.90 and economy rate of 7.1
 
It's unfortunate to see him being made a scapegoat despite not participating in a single match in this Champions Trophy. While it is alleged that his selection was due to political connections, this claim is not accurate. Faheem Ashraf's inclusion was a result of his excellent performances in domestic tournaments and leagues.

Let's check his numbers:

President's Cup

- He scored 264 runs in 4 innings at an average of 66 and SR of 129 and was the 2nd top run getter despite batting at no.6

- He also picked up 6 wickets in 5 innings

BPL T20

- He had highest strike rate in the tournament (231)

- He was the 2nd highest wicket-taker with 20 wickets in 11 matches at an average of 13.90 and economy rate of 7.1
Thank you for this thread. Undue pressure on Rana jee.. Did not play a single game yet blamed for the loss.
 
Enough of this BS, we know what is his calibre deserving players are waiting in queu to get a game.

Jehandad Khan, Abass Afridi , Wasim Jr.

Faheem must be playing as an invisible 12th man in the first game vs newzealand and the 2nd game vs India

you know the quality of the poster when he blames the players on the bench instead of the the players on the field

last time it was imad and amir but this time since all the favourites like imam rizwan babar naseem rauf shaheen were in the playing xi so lets blame the bench who have not played a single game
 
It's unfortunate to see him being made a scapegoat despite not participating in a single match in this Champions Trophy. While it is alleged that his selection was due to political connections, this claim is not accurate. Faheem Ashraf's inclusion was a result of his excellent performances in domestic tournaments and leagues.

Let's check his numbers:

President's Cup

- He scored 264 runs in 4 innings at an average of 66 and SR of 129 and was the 2nd top run getter despite batting at no.6

- He also picked up 6 wickets in 5 innings

BPL T20

- He had highest strike rate in the tournament (231)

- He was the 2nd highest wicket-taker with 20 wickets in 11 matches at an average of 13.90 and economy rate of 7.1
Important thread, no point in blaming a player who didn't play single match. In fact he played just a tri series final only and bowled just 2.2 overs and scored 22(21). I would rather blame those 5 players who are playing just based on their reputation without any accountability. Fans should come out of their emotions and start calling spade a spade
 
Fahims addition meant we couldnt have an extra pacer or spinner that ruined our combination.
 
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Arrey bhai maaf karo . How come a player who wasn’t playing past two years and hasn’t done something amazing in past suddenly comes into squad ? How you justify that . If it was t20 format then it’s understandable if he is brought on BPL performances . They were just scared to go with irfan niazi , muqeem or Arafat . Opted for experience and got shamed .
 
Enough of this BS, we know what is his calibre deserving players are waiting in queu to get a game.

Jehandad Khan, Abass Afridi , Wasim Jr.
Totally forgot about these guys. Jahandad has potential they should have stuck with him . Abbas Afridi was massive shock . He is much better bowler than hasnain and rauf or even Afridi . Wasim jnr just got lost somewhere doesn’t have much sufarish . Amir Jamal also faced the heat of nepotism
 
Thank you for this thread. Undue pressure on Rana jee.. Did not play a single game yet blamed for the loss.
No one blaming for loss . It’s his selection . Same goes with guys like Usman . If he is not good enough to replace Fakhar why is he there? You had to call imam from his bed to come and play . Doesn’t that show how pathetic your selection was ?
 
Fahims addition meant we couldnt have an extra pacer or spinner that ruined our combination.
Extra pacer? They didn't gave proper chance to Hasnain who only played 1 game in entire tri series and CT. Faheem might have come with some jack but he wasn't selected in playing 11 so no reason to blame him now. The blame lies with only 6 players (Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem, Haris & Imam)
 
lol BPL is the standard for player selection?

Whats next Nepal league stats?
One of Pakistans best batsman in CT'25 was someone who starred in the recent BPL and whose team lost the semis after he was dropped
 
if anyone anywhere base their selections on BPL, they deserve everything they get. BPL is probably the worst league there is, the quality of local players is abysmal, horrible grounds, overall poor quality of cricket. Moreover who selects someone for ICC ODI tournament based on BPL T20 performances?
 
if anyone anywhere base their selections on BPL, they deserve everything they get. BPL is probably the worst league there is, the quality of local players is abysmal, horrible grounds, overall poor quality of cricket. Moreover who selects someone for ICC ODI tournament based on BPL T20 performances?
But the best batter for Pakistan was the one they picked from BPL?
 
Thank you for this thread. Undue pressure on Rana jee.. Did not play a single game yet blamed for the loss.
It's unfortunate to see him being made a scapegoat despite not participating in a single match in this Champions Trophy. While it is alleged that his selection was due to political connections, this claim is not accurate. Faheem Ashraf's inclusion was a result of his excellent performances in domestic tournaments and leagues.

Let's check his numbers:

President's Cup

- He scored 264 runs in 4 innings at an average of 66 and SR of 129 and was the 2nd top run getter despite batting at no.6

- He also picked up 6 wickets in 5 innings

BPL T20

- He had highest strike rate in the tournament (231)

- He was the 2nd highest wicket-taker with 20 wickets in 11 matches at an average of 13.90 and economy rate of 7.1
He was not played because there was no place for him in the side. But the Captain and coach were deprived of a specialist spinner or a better fast bowling option like Mohd Wasim, Abbas Afridi or Jahandad khan.

Also we make noise about playing new players and also batters need to show aggression and intent but if they fail just once or twice they are dropped. We need to back new players, look at Kamran Ghulam he got out a few times trying to play with aggression & he was dropped and suddenly it is Tayyab Tahir in the side. How are you going to find new stars if you change them without a proper chance.
 
He was not played because there was no place for him in the side. But the Captain and coach were deprived of a specialist spinner or a better fast bowling option like Mohd Wasim, Abbas Afridi or Jahandad khan.

Also we make noise about playing new players and also batters need to show aggression and intent but if they fail just once or twice they are dropped. We need to back new players, look at Kamran Ghulam he got out a few times trying to play with aggression & he was dropped and suddenly it is Tayyab Tahir in the side. How are you going to find new stars if you change them without a proper chance.
Tell me which game we lost because we were deprived of a specialist spinner? Or a fast bowler?

We lost because we were posting 22 runs in 10 overs.

Oh Mr expert who plays test type of innings in odi?
 
if anyone anywhere base their selections on BPL, they deserve everything they get. BPL is probably the worst league there is, the quality of local players is abysmal, horrible grounds, overall poor quality of cricket. Moreover who selects someone for ICC ODI tournament based on BPL T20 performances?
I have also mentioned stats of Presidents Cup, Pakistan's premier domestic obe day tournament, where he was the standout performer.
 
It's unfortunate to see him being made a scapegoat despite not participating in a single match in this Champions Trophy. While it is alleged that his selection was due to political connections, this claim is not accurate. Faheem Ashraf's inclusion was a result of his excellent performances in domestic tournaments and leagues.

Let's check his numbers:

President's Cup

- He scored 264 runs in 4 innings at an average of 66 and SR of 129 and was the 2nd top run getter despite batting at no.6

- He also picked up 6 wickets in 5 innings

BPL T20

- He had highest strike rate in the tournament (231)

- He was the 2nd highest wicket-taker with 20 wickets in 11 matches at an average of 13.90 and economy rate of 7.1
If someone is an utter failure at international level since 2017, there is no need to check his " current form ". The guy is not made for international cricket. No need to give him another chance for 10th time . There are other cricketers also waiting for their first chance.
 
Nobody can defend Faheem's selection. It was totally political and Faheem was not among top 50 players in line to get selected for the champions trophy squad but yeah, he made his way back.

Stats-wise, Usman should have played ahead of Saud but he did not even get a single game.
 
Nobody can defend Faheem's selection. It was totally political and Faheem was not among top 50 players in line to get selected for the champions trophy squad but yeah, he made his way back.

Stats-wise, Usman should have played ahead of Saud but he did not even get a single game.
Political selection 1/46 with ball and 70 odd with bat. :inti
 
the game was already dead during his inning... but yeah,,,,good for him
No point. This guy is a rubbish cricketer. Good for domestic but not international quality.

He makes such scores and hoggs the spot in the national team.
 
The way some Pakistan cricket experts on this forum think is like a PS5 cricket game

if Babar played well once, he’s expected to be great forever.

But if Fahim had a bad run, he’s useless for life.

They don’t seem to get that lazy players like Babar can regress, while hard-working ones can actually improve.
 
Really Pak team is suffering from some very odd selections. Abdullah looks like a walking wicket yet gets so many chances.

Faheem may or may not be a good player but he’s a deserving pick and should be nurtured with a couple of other seaming all rounders. You can’t put all your eggs in one basket. When somebody is brought back and performs like faheem has then they need to be backed for a few games. The main question to ask is how do you get 10 wickets. The seam bowling is all over the place.
 
Faheem is the best place to bowling all rounder in Pakistan right now. He is not a world beater but best available. I think Pakistan need to use him as a batting all rounder. Try and get him to bat at number 6 in OD , with another batting all rounder at 7 and 8.
Three main bowlers at 9 , 10 , 11 .
Saim Ayub and Aga salman can bowl part time.
That would balance the team.
 
Faheem is the best place to bowling all rounder in Pakistan right now. He is not a world beater but best available. I think Pakistan need to use him as a batting all rounder. Try and get him to bat at number 6 in OD , with another batting all rounder at 7 and 8.
Three main bowlers at 9 , 10 , 11 .
Saim Ayub and Aga salman can bowl part time.
That would balance the team.
The guy had a batting average of 12 before this game, with a highest score of 28. How can we use him as a batting all-rounder?

His bowling has deteriorated aswell even from his mediocre levels from before.
 
The guy had a batting average of 12 before this game, with a highest score of 28. How can we use him as a batting all-rounder?

His bowling has deteriorated aswell even from his mediocre levels from before.
Nothing ever stays the same

Mitch Hay had 58 total runs before the last match. He ended up playing one of the best ever knocks against Pakistan in recent times.

Either a player is good or he isn’t. That’s what you need to determine.
 
Faheem era starts now, not.

Aamer Jamal has been backstabbed big time.
There is no reason why both cannot play in the same team.

You need a proper skipper like Wasim Akram who knows how to utilise two fast bowling all rounders like he did with Abdul Razzaq and Azhar Mahmood.

It requires a lot of cojones to make sit out guys like Waqar Younis to find the right balance that works.
 
Faheem said the absolute right thing in his post match presser, but it’s something that won’t be highlighted because apparently people like him cannot speak the truth or say what’s right…
 
There is no reason why both cannot play in the same team.

You need a proper skipper like Wasim Akram who knows how to utilise two fast bowling all rounders like he did with Abdul Razzaq and Azhar Mahmood.

It requires a lot of cojones to make sit out guys like Waqar Younis to find the right balance that works.
One allrounder is more than enough. We need specialists.
 
Faheem era starts now, not.

Aamer Jamal has been backstabbed big time.
Aamer jamal was pretty poor in his last odi series vs zimbabwe and you think he was going to do wonders in ct25 and vs newzealand?

Some of you need to stop having crushes on players and act like teenage girls, behave like proper adults Backup up anyone who is performing and trash anyone whose not
also give everyone a fair chance if they become rubbish sack them
 
One allrounder is more than enough. We need specialists.
You cannot say it’s more than enough when successful teams like Australia and England have played 2 at times, if not 3.

Stokes and Woakes, with Moeen as the spin all rounder

Marsh, Stoinis, with Maxwell as the spin all rounder.

You have to be brave and let those players become strong cricketers. It doesn’t matter if you try to send one of them up the order and treat them as the top order muscle. A bit like what Australia have done with Marsh, or even Afghanistan with Omarzai. That’s how you build the all rounder! You make them feel like they are your key batsman, not your number 7 or 8 like Pakistan have been doing.
 
Aamer jamal was pretty poor in his last odi series vs zimbabwe and you think he was going to do wonders in ct25 and vs newzealand?

Some of you need to stop having crushes on players and act like teenage girls, behave like proper adults Backup up anyone who is performing and trash anyone whose not
also give everyone a fair chance if they become rubbish sack them
Tbh Jamal hasn’t been handled well.

That’s why I keep saying Pakistan needs a skipper like Wasim Akram who knew the value of young, energetic all rounders.

They are being mislead and mishandled by guys like Babar and Rizwan who just don’t understand any format of the game. They are extremely poor game readers and lack modern adaptability acumen.

Wasim Akram clearly was more of a modern cricket skipper in the late 90s than these guys are in the year 2025!
 
Aamer jamal was pretty poor in his last odi series vs zimbabwe and you think he was going to do wonders in ct25 and vs newzealand?

Some of you need to stop having crushes on players and act like teenage girls, behave like proper adults Backup up anyone who is performing and trash anyone whose not
also give everyone a fair chance if they become rubbish sack them
Whilst i agree Jamal hasnt done well off late, but he hasn’t had as many chances as Faheem.
 
You cannot say it’s more than enough when successful teams like Australia and England have played 2 at times, if not 3.

Stokes and Woakes, with Moeen as the spin all rounder

Marsh, Stoinis, with Maxwell as the spin all rounder.

You have to be brave and let those players become strong cricketers. It doesn’t matter if you try to send one of them up the order and treat them as the top order muscle. A bit like what Australia have done with Marsh, or even Afghanistan with Omarzai. That’s how you build the all rounder! You make them feel like they are your key batsman, not your number 7 or 8 like Pakistan have been doing.
Woakes is a front line bowler. Ben Stokes is world class.

Marsh, Stoinis & Maxwell are proper batters who can bowl.

Guys like Jamal & Faheem are bits and pieces i am afraid. And you cant afford to have more than one of them in the XI.
 
Whilst i agree Jamal hasnt done well off late, but he hasn’t had as many chances as Faheem.
Jamal had his opportunity against Zimbabwe and didn’t perform well. Now it’s Faheem’s turn, and he did a good job in the last game. Jamal will just have to wait for Faheem to fail before he gets another chance.
 
If anyone follows SanaUllah’s vlogs…

You should watch the one he did before the last match in which he claimed he is very confident Pakistan will win the next 2 ODIs against NZ. In the same Vlog, he was mocking Pakistan’s decision to open one innings with Faheem Ashraf at Hamilton (this was done by Mickey Arthur). I have already expressed my views on this guy and I am quite certain he is an absolute clown pr journalist and game reader…

Mickey and Sarfaraz were ABSOLUTELY CORRECT in trying Faheem Ashraf as an opener in these conditions. This was at a time when NZ were absolutely brutalising Pakistan with the bat, and Pakistan lacked any proper response with guys like Imam etc. Faheem was and clearly is still one of the best attackers of pace, and a strong pull-cut batter of short pitch deliveries on fast tracks.

It’s a real shame that Pakistan just haven’t been able to utilise this guy’s batting strength and just haven’t built him enough to become a strong all rounder for them.

You can still salvage something from Faheem, but you should not repeat the mistakes going forward with upcoming pace all rounders.
 
Tbh Jamal hasn’t been handled well.

That’s why I keep saying Pakistan needs a skipper like Wasim Akram who knew the value of young, energetic all rounders.

They are being mislead and mishandled by guys like Babar and Rizwan who just don’t understand any format of the game. They are extremely poor game readers and lack modern adaptability acumen.

Wasim Akram clearly was more of a modern cricket skipper in the late 90s than these guys are in the year 2025!
In my opinion jamal is more of a test players and should be in the test team
 
Guys like Jamal & Faheem are bits and pieces i am afraid. And you cant afford to have more than one of them in the XI
That’s how you view them but you do not have the same stringent views for other Pakistan cricketers who are clearly lacking.

Jamal and Faheem are better back foot batters than all of Pakistan’s top order, barring Fakhar and Saim. It’s not their fault Pakistan cricket lacks the vision and understanding to utilise them properly.
 
In my opinion jamal is more of a test players and should be in the test team
Which is fair

I still believe Jamal is an under-utilised white ball batting prospect. His bowling needs work, it’s a bit erratic…but this isn’t a problem if you can get more out of him with the bat.
 
@mominsaigol I just came across this question in my head when reminiscing of how Wasim Akram built the 99 World Cup team which was one of the strongest ever Pakistan ODI sides in its history tbh.

Let’s make a fake scenario and replace 1 middle order batter and one wicket keeper, and place Babar and Rizwan in that squad as Captain and Vice captain. What kind of XI would those two make in that era? So the two players I am simulating to go out are Ijaz Ahmed for Babar, and Moin Khan for Rizwan.

Can you imagine them making this line up,

1. Saeed Anwar
2. Wajahatullah Wasti
3. Babar Azam (c)
4. Muhammad Rizwan (wk/vc)
5. Inzimam ul Haq
6. Yousuf Youhanna
7. Shahid Afridi or Abdul Razzaq
8. Wasim Akram
9. Waqar Younis
10. Shoaib Akhtar
11. Saqlain Mushtaq

See the team here is the kind of team you have seen play for Rizwan in South Africa and Australia. With this type of balance they prefer. It’s made sure that all of the big names are playing, so Waqar Younis is a part of the playing XI and not on the bench like he was in 99. Shoaib Akhtar completes that Rauf enforcer quota. Saqlain plays as your best spinner and future Sasur+ Tableeghi uncle. Inzimam and Yousuf two genuine middle order technicians given roles to be the late order aggressors once Lara and Chanderpaul (Babar and Rizwan) have laid the foundation…a bit like what they are doing with Salman, Saud, Tayyab and Kamran Ghulam right now in the Pakistan set up.

This means guys like Saleem Malik and Azhar Mahmood are on the bench. Ijaz and Moin have been booted out as we know.

How far do you recon this team would go in 1999?
 
That’s how you view them but you do not have the same stringent views for other Pakistan cricketers who are clearly lacking.

Jamal and Faheem are better back foot batters than all of Pakistan’s top order, barring Fakhar and Saim. It’s not their fault Pakistan cricket lacks the vision and understanding to utilise them properly.
Nice to see someone who recognizes the strength of Aamir Jamal that is his backfoot game. Imo, based of a few innings, he is better against spin as compared to Faheem specially when he is attacking them. Considering that next WC is in SA where batsmen with strong backfoot game are crucial, we should be looking to develop Aamir Jamal. He should have been in NZ as a batsman alone in both T20s and ODI in place of Tayyab and Khushdil (poor backfoot game).

Now regarding Faheem, he has a solid base (while batting) and has decent hand eye coordination but he has a glaring technical weakness. Most of his dismissals in his career (batting) has been getting caught at the boundary. If you examine his technique, he uses flick of the wrist like a tapia batter (he has tapeball background) while going for big shots. Now such a technique is perfect for tape ball but in international cricket; larger grounds and hardball makes it difficult to clear boundaries with that technique. I remember Faheem hitting a few sixes in NZ with Fakhar before rain spoiled the fun. Point is that short square boundaries are perfect for Faheem where his flick of wrist can go for sixes like it did yesterday. He made his debut in intl cricket because of a match winning performance against Bangladesh where square boundaries were reported to be very short ( warmup game before CT17).

Unless Faheem improves his bat swing, I don't see him succeeding as a useful batsman in LOIs with normal boundaries. He used to bowl at around 140 kph few years back but now he has lost his pace as well.
 
That’s how you view them but you do not have the same stringent views for other Pakistan cricketers who are clearly lacking.

Jamal and Faheem are better back foot batters than all of Pakistan’s top order, barring Fakhar and Saim. It’s not their fault Pakistan cricket lacks the vision and understanding to utilise them properly.
Btw, Jahanzaib Sultan looks a very promising prospect in terms of backfoot game. Its based on one game but the ease with which he was pulling and flicking likes of Dahani is refreshing to see from a young upcoming opener.
 
@mominsaigol I just came across this question in my head when reminiscing of how Wasim Akram built the 99 World Cup team which was one of the strongest ever Pakistan ODI sides in its history tbh.

Let’s make a fake scenario and replace 1 middle order batter and one wicket keeper, and place Babar and Rizwan in that squad as Captain and Vice captain. What kind of XI would those two make in that era? So the two players I am simulating to go out are Ijaz Ahmed for Babar, and Moin Khan for Rizwan.

Can you imagine them making this line up,

1. Saeed Anwar
2. Wajahatullah Wasti
3. Babar Azam (c)
4. Muhammad Rizwan (wk/vc)
5. Inzimam ul Haq
6. Yousuf Youhanna
7. Shahid Afridi or Abdul Razzaq
8. Wasim Akram
9. Waqar Younis
10. Shoaib Akhtar
11. Saqlain Mushtaq

See the team here is the kind of team you have seen play for Rizwan in South Africa and Australia. With this type of balance they prefer. It’s made sure that all of the big names are playing, so Waqar Younis is a part of the playing XI and not on the bench like he was in 99. Shoaib Akhtar completes that Rauf enforcer quota. Saqlain plays as your best spinner and future Sasur+ Tableeghi uncle. Inzimam and Yousuf two genuine middle order technicians given roles to be the late order aggressors once Lara and Chanderpaul (Babar and Rizwan) have laid the foundation…a bit like what they are doing with Salman, Saud, Tayyab and Kamran Ghulam right now in the Pakistan set up.

This means guys like Saleem Malik and Azhar Mahmood are on the bench. Ijaz and Moin have been booted out as we know.

How far do you recon this team would go in 1999?
Could get far but it depends on the opening clicking and inzi + yousaf carrying.
 
Performance like this hurts the team in the long run. Faheem Ashraf has been a useless " all rounder " for last 7 years and now one performance in a losing cause and we will be stuck with him for another 2-3 years . Nothing personal, I'm OK with him in the team as long as he performs on consistent basis , not once in a blue moon.
 
Broken clock is right twice a day.

And Faheem is right twice a day, he is all-right when bowling and he is all-right when batting! :faheem

This allrounder is alright!
 
Faheem played a good knock but I hope it is not a 1-time wonder. We cannot get stuck with him for 2-3 years based on this 1 knock that was not that useful for Pakistan but for his own self and his own confidence.
 
Faheem played a good knock but I hope it is not a 1-time wonder. We cannot get stuck with him for 2-3 years based on this 1 knock that was not that useful for Pakistan but for his own self and his own confidence.
Batted 26 innings in his career. batted at no.8 fourteen times. At no.8 his average is 13.08@75.08. At no.7 batted 5 times including in the 2nd ODI. averages 25@107 average mostly due to last innings. Is he good enough to be your no.7. Will pakistan puruse this experiment? May be they can try batting him at 5. Rizwan at 6.
 
Batted 26 innings in his career. batted at no.8 fourteen times. At no.8 his average is 13.08@75.08. At no.7 batted 5 times including in the 2nd ODI. averages 25@107 average mostly due to last innings. Is he good enough to be your no.7. Will pakistan puruse this experiment? May be they can try batting him at 5. Rizwan at 6.
Yeah. He should bat at 7 for now... at 6 we have tayyab/irfan and at 5 we have salman and at 4 we have riz... SO number 7 is an okk spot for him
 
Batted 26 innings in his career. batted at no.8 fourteen times. At no.8 his average is 13.08@75.08. At no.7 batted 5 times including in the 2nd ODI. averages 25@107 average mostly due to last innings. Is he good enough to be your no.7. Will pakistan puruse this experiment? May be they can try batting him at 5. Rizwan at 6.
Agree with this

He does well in domestics where he mostly bats at 5-6
 
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