Who's the better ODI all-rounder: Shaheen Shah Afridi or Faheem Ashraf?

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Shaheen has played 59 ODIs and taken 119 wickets at an average of 23. With the bat, he has played 33 innings and scored 236 runs at an average of 15.

Faheem has played 34 ODIs and taken 26 wickets at an average of 46. With the bat, he has played 34 innings and scored 224 runs at an average of 10.

In what world can Faheem be considered an all-rounder while Shaheen is not?

If Shaheen is not an all-rounder, then Faheem is just a parchi.
 
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Amir Jamal did himself no service by playing ordinary cricket against RSA. He had a chance to score a 50 or so in the second innings of the second test, the match was lost already & he needed to be a bit selfish but his attitude was extremely casual & he is going to pay for that now.

I guess Fahim replacing him is a kind of regime change 2.0. His 804 on the hat didn't sit well & sobers from phoolnagar has also a very clear political leaning.

In a fair world, both of them haven't set the world on fire & should not be in the reckoning of an ODI spot.

Sufyan Muqim is harshly dropped imo, don't like him much but we needed another spinner. If not him then at least Faisal Akram should have been in the squad. Hard to see Agha & Khushdil taking wickets in the middle over & you need wickets in the middle overs in ODI cricket.
 
Pakistan don't have a single decent seam allrounder. Should have just picked another specialist bowler maybe Akif.
 
Amir Jamal did himself no service by playing ordinary cricket against RSA. He had a chance to score a 50 or so in the second innings of the second test, the match was lost already & he needed to be a bit selfish but his attitude was extremely casual & he is going to pay for that now.

I guess Fahim replacing him is a kind of regime change 2.0. His 804 on the hat didn't sit well & sobers from phoolnagar has also a very clear political leaning.

In a fair world, both of them haven't set the world on fire & should not be in the reckoning of an ODI spot.

Sufyan Muqim is harshly dropped imo, don't like him much but we needed another spinner. If not him then at least Faisal Akram should have been in the squad. Hard to see Agha & Khushdil taking wickets in the middle over & you need wickets in the middle overs in ODI cricket.
Faheem is a parchi that needs to be dropped. He is a fake all rounder. Anybody else deserves a place instead of him. You can bring in Abbas, Jamal, Wasim Jr, Sufyan. Anyone.

We need to end this prank that Faheem is an All Rounder in the format. Even Shaheen and Naseem have performed better as all rounder than him.
 
Faheem is a parchi that needs to be dropped. He is a fake all rounder. Anybody else deserves a place instead of him. You can bring in Abbas, Jamal, Wasim Jr, Sufyan. Anyone.

We need to end this prank that Faheem is an All Rounder in the format. Even Shaheen and Naseem have performed better as all rounder than him.

It's funny because back in 2017, I thought Fahim had spark but now he's just a meh cricketer for me.
 
It's funny because back in 2017, I thought Fahim had spark but now he's just a meh cricketer for me.
Literally any fast bowling pacer who an hit has a better case to the place in CT because Faheem is a tried and tested failure. After playing for so long he has played and I thought we had finally moved on.
 
Faheem is parchi. Shocking selection by shameless selectors who are too afraid to face media .
 
A lot of you guys are just bashing Faheem for the sake of it. We all know he isn’t a 10 averaging batsman
 
Pakistan has no all-rounders. An all-rounder is someone who can bat in the top order and bowl opening spells. Name one player who is doing that for Pakistan?
 
Faheem sobers is perhaps the luckiest cricketer in international cricket.

Unbelievable how this guy had an international career.
 
Pakistan has no all-rounders. An all-rounder is someone who can bat in the top order and bowl opening spells. Name one player who is doing that for Pakistan?
No coach in Pakistan believes that. If you are a pace bowler who can bat then you will play no. 7/8 and below.
 
Even Haris Rauf is a better all-rounder than Faheem. In the last 20 ODIs, Faheem averages 100+ with the ball and 9.9 with the bat.
I knew Faheem's stats were bad but not to that extent !

He's the worst white-ball cricketer I've seen play for Pakistan in the last 10 years. Even Shadab who I've also criticised severely had his moments. But this guy's career has been one long suckfest.

There's no cricketing reason justifying his recall.
 
Ok so if u need 50 runs from 35 balls which is relatively easy in todays world and u have a set batter at the other end and u want a player batting at 8 with him
Would u choose 15 avg shaheen or 10 avg faheem?
 
Faheem is a better batsman but he hasnt done justice to that. Dont criticize just for the sake of it and faheem seems a better pick than jamal at this point and form
 
His bowling is okayish to bowl in middle overs. And he is a good backup option if pakistan needs one in this tourney
 
What a bizarre thread?

They are not genuine all-rounders. SSA is a bowler who can slog a bit

Faheem is not good in any department! has useless figures of 10 and 46 with the bat and ball respectively.
 
What a bizarre thread?

They are not genuine all-rounders. SSA is a bowler who can slog a bit

Faheem is not good in any department! has useless figures of 10 and 46 with the bat and ball respectively.
True, but the funny thing is Faheem is labelled as an allrouder by himself and PCB, meanwhile Shaheen has a better batting avg than him.
 
Shaheen can be better utilized as an all rounder down the order because he can just come in and play his shots freeliy whereas Rana sahab need the good 5 to 6 overs to get him settled and after that he throws his wicket as a tailender.
 
Shaheen has played 59 ODIs and taken 119 wickets at an average of 23. With the bat, he has played 33 innings and scored 236 runs at an average of 15.

Faheem has played 34 ODIs and taken 26 wickets at an average of 46. With the bat, he has played 34 innings and scored 224 runs at an average of 10.

In what world can Faheem be considered an all-rounder while Shaheen is not?

If Shaheen is not an all-rounder, then Faheem is just a parchi.
True, but the funny thing is Faheem is labelled as an allrouder by himself and PCB, meanwhile Shaheen has a better batting avg than him.

Faheem Ahraf has a much better FC, List A and Test Batting record than both Amir Jamal and Shaheen.

His domestic stats Indicate that he has all the round skills.
 
Seriously !! what kind of question is this , since when Shaheen and Faheem have become " all rounder " ?? Shaheen is a bowler and tail ender and Faheem is neither . Faheem is not even a bits and pieces player, not at international level, may be at FC level.
 
I think you should recall Shoaib Malik, he’ll still be better than Shaheen and Faheem
 
Faheem is an undisputed all-rounder.

Is Shaheen an all-rounder? I don't think he is. He is a bowler as of now.
 
Wasim Akram has a double century. I don't think he was rated as all rounder. In cricinfo he is a bowler. But faheem ashraf is classified as "Bowling all rounder"
Jason Gillespie has a double century as well, LOL.
 
Jason Gillespie has a double century as well, LOL.
Both Gillespie and wasim are far better batters then faheem ashraf or shaheen.

These bowling allrounder terms are thrown around too much nowadays.

Even pat Cummins barely classifies as a bowling allrounder. He's a tail ender, A very very good tailender but still a tailender, he's no Pollock.

Shadab, Shaheen, Nawaz, Faheem etc etc, none of them are so called bowling allrounders.

From India Jadeja is an allrounder, Ashwin I consider in the same realm as Cummins, a tail enders but a very good tailender, one who can hold his own and occasionally surprise you with match wins as well, pandya is also an allrounder.

A bowling allrounder is one who can bowl very well but when it comes to batting he can hold his own and you can trust him to score a good 30 to 35 runs in crunch moments.

Not tulle baz averaging 10 or less.
 
Unfortunately some fans are high on phool for the phoolnagar guy
The reason why faheem is called a bowling allrounder and why wasim akram wasn't is due to PR and faheem living in an age of social media.

Faheem Ashraf is clearly connected to high people and they know full well that he's a rubbish bowler and a rubbish batsmen who can't stand on his own.

So they use the terminology of Bowling allrounders to justify the fact that he can do both and hence justifies his place in the team.

But the truth is, any Tom dick and Harry can throw a ball and pick up a bat and slog blindly. Heck put me on the field and I'll do the same. But that doesn't make me a bowling allrounder, it makes me a rubbish cricketer, end of story.
 
The reason why faheem is called a bowling allrounder and why wasim akram wasn't is due to PR and faheem living in an age of social media.

Faheem Ashraf is clearly connected to high people and they know full well that he's a rubbish bowler and a rubbish batsmen who can't stand on his own.

So they use the terminology of Bowling allrounders to justify the fact that he can do both and hence justifies his place in the team.

But the truth is, any Tom dick and Harry can throw a ball and pick up a bat and slog blindly. Heck put me on the field and I'll do the same. But that doesn't make me a bowling allrounder, it makes me a rubbish cricketer, end of story.
Wasim Akram legitimately was a bowling AR
 
The reason why faheem is called a bowling allrounder and why wasim akram wasn't is due to PR and faheem living in an age of social media.

Faheem Ashraf is clearly connected to high people and they know full well that he's a rubbish bowler and a rubbish batsmen who can't stand on his own.

So they use the terminology of Bowling allrounders to justify the fact that he can do both and hence justifies his place in the team.

But the truth is, any Tom dick and Harry can throw a ball and pick up a bat and slog blindly. Heck put me on the field and I'll do the same. But that doesn't make me a bowling allrounder, it makes me a rubbish cricketer, end of story.
na actually much of the stuff got spread from here aswell.

During inzi's selector stint, they played a warm up game where the pitch closest to the boundary was used from one side. I think the boundary was 30 meter only. Anyways, Fahim smashed alot of runs and everyone here started to claim he is an allrounder and should play for Pakistan.

Knew it than, that he is flawed
 
na actually much of the stuff got spread from here aswell.

During inzi's selector stint, they played a warm up game where the pitch closest to the boundary was used from one side. I think the boundary was 30 meter only. Anyways, Fahim smashed alot of runs and everyone here started to claim he is an allrounder and should play for Pakistan.

Knew it than, that he is flawed
Aamer Jamal in his short career has had bigger high and impact than Faheem's whole career.
 
Wasim Akram legitimately was a bowling AR
He was, but I'm saying he wasn't considered one purely due to the fact that back in his era social media wasn't prevalent and the concept of bowling allrounders wasn't really present.

Back then people used the term, bowlers who can bat a bit. Batting allrounders were seen as the norm. Even Pollock was considered a bowler.

Bowling allrounders were invented to justify excuses.

For example Afridi freqently used the bowling allrounder excuse because people were critising his batting at no 7 in his later years hence he used that excuse to take the heat off.

Shadab Khan started using the same excuse once he got pelted, and now faheem is using the same excuse as well
 
Aamer Jamal in his short career has had bigger high and impact than Faheem's whole career.
true, but Jamal is too wayward. His career isnt going to be that long either. He fluked a mots in Australia. The Australian test side was bad. A proper side would had not allowed Jamal to survive with the way he bowled all over the pitch.

Both Fahim and Jamal arnt that good
 
na actually much of the stuff got spread from here aswell.

During inzi's selector stint, they played a warm up game where the pitch closest to the boundary was used from one side. I think the boundary was 30 meter only. Anyways, Fahim smashed alot of runs and everyone here started to claim he is an allrounder and should play for Pakistan.

Knew it than, that he is flawed
The Pakistan vs Bangladesh warmup game. I remember that clearly. It wasn't televised but I was watching it on cricinfo and that was faheem's first appearance in green colors.

When I saw that scorecard I thought he'd become some generational prodigy. But then I saw him in International 🤣🤣🤣
 
Ridiculous thread from PP's ridiculous man.

Faheem isn't a specialist batsman nor is he a specialist bowler.

Shaheen is a specialist bowler and a tailend batsman.
 
true, but Jamal is too wayward. His career isnt going to be that long either. He fluked a mots in Australia. The Australian test side was bad. A proper side would had not allowed Jamal to survive with the way he bowled all over the pitch.

Both Fahim and Jamal arnt that good
Jamal > Faheem

Injustice has been done by adding Faheem in the CT squad.
 
Ridiculous thread from PP's ridiculous man.

Faheem isn't a specialist batsman nor is he a specialist bowler.

Shaheen is a specialist bowler and a tailend batsman.
Funny how tailender batter has better stats with the bat than fake All Rounder Faheem
 
The Pakistan vs Bangladesh warmup game. I remember that clearly. It wasn't televised but I was watching it on cricinfo and that was faheem's first appearance in green colors.

When I saw that scorecard I thought he'd become some generational prodigy. But then I saw him in International 🤣🤣🤣
The boundary was 30-40 meters away from one end. The hype that spread around here after that.
 
Jamal > Faheem

Injustice has been done by adding Faheem in the CT squad.
Bro both are same. Jamal just has pace with him and some attitude But his pace means nothing when you arnt accurate with line and length.

Like you said in the OP, Shaheen seems to have more creadibility as an allrounder than both these guys
 
Bro both are same. Jamal just has pace with him and some attitude But his pace means nothing when you arnt accurate with line and length.

Like you said in the OP, Shaheen seems to have more creadibility as an allrounder than both these guys
I haven't ruled out Jamal just yet in white ball format as he has played very few matches for Pakistan.
 
Ashwin was a better batsman than Wasim Akram in tests, he has six test centuries.

Ashwin was a proper bowling allrounder, Jadeja is a proper allrounder coz of his 36 average with the bat.


Faheem doesn’t have enough talent to survive in international cricket.
 
Both Gillespie and wasim are far better batters then faheem ashraf or shaheen.

These bowling allrounder terms are thrown around too much nowadays.

Even pat Cummins barely classifies as a bowling allrounder. He's a tail ender, A very very good tailender but still a tailender, he's no Pollock.

Shadab, Shaheen, Nawaz, Faheem etc etc, none of them are so called bowling allrounders.

From India Jadeja is an allrounder, Ashwin I consider in the same realm as Cummins, a tail enders but a very good tailender, one who can hold his own and occasionally surprise you with match wins as well, pandya is also an allrounder.

A bowling allrounder is one who can bowl very well but when it comes to batting he can hold his own and you can trust him to score a good 30 to 35 runs in crunch moments.

Not tulle baz averaging 10 or less.
Shadab yes he has been very bad as of now but he has better returns as batsman than many of our so called hitters which is not great but still acc to this teams standards he is an allrounder

Shaheen is just a slogger a bit better than umar gul ig or more or less same and maybe he can work on his batting in leagues like narine

Ashwin is better than cummins in batting and has won or saved many matches
 
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