Face Mask 'Police'

[Tubs]

You need to read up, its always advised to build your immune system in any pandemic. This can be done naturally by not eating rubbish, exercising, sleeping and many other things.



The natural immune system if strong is far better than a rushed through vaccine, which isnt guaranteed to work and not guaranteed to stop you passing it on.



People need to put their facist foolish mindsets to one side. You have no right to tell others what to do or what do inject into their bodies. As long anyone is not breaking the law, they can do what they like.

Ah, here you go. As Robert said, the best way to build immunity for a specific disease is to get vaccinated. You can call it rushed all you like, it is safe. No medication is without side effects, and the vast majority of the (very few people) who died after being administered it were very old and terminally ill. Should we ban water because 100% of people who drink it die? Please leave the science to the scientists, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ah, here you go. As Robert said, the best way to build immunity for a specific disease is to get vaccinated. You can call it rushed all you like, it is safe. No medication is without side effects, and the vast majority of the (very few people) who died after being administered it were very old and terminally ill. Should we ban water because 100% of people who drink it die? Please leave the science to the scientists, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Wow.

He calls the vaccine safe then claims no medication is without side effects but elderly people can die after being administered. Then he makes a complete hash of a hypothetical by asking if we should ban water if it kills 100% of people who drink it not realising water is not medicine.

No way we should ever trust these scientists who have no idea. They pretend they know it all but are only in it to fill their pockets.

This is precisly why we should not trust big pharma, because of posts above.

 

[Tubs]

Wow.

He calls the vaccine safe then claims no medication is without side effects but elderly people can die after being administered. Then he makes a complete hash of a hypothetical by asking if we should ban water if it kills 100% of people who drink it not realising water is not medicine.

No way we should ever trust these scientists who have no idea. They pretend they know it all but are only in it to fill their pockets.

This is precisly why we should not trust big pharma, because of posts above.

Drivel as always from you. You're probably a flat earther, too.

Nothing is without side effects. If you get past the sensationalist headlines (which will be a struggle for you, I know) you'll see that the people who died after being administered the vaccine are very elderly and/or with terminal health conditions. The science is not on your side, but that's to be expected of someone as anti-science as yourself. It is very strange that you hold vaccine (which can be tested and verified to be safe and effective), but then you hold other positions completely on faith. Interesting.

Why don't you start protesting against surgery because there's a non-zero mortality rate (whether it's due to high-risk procedures, response to anaesthesia, or otherwise)? It's always astounding to see such unqualified people thinking they can reasonably go against the scientific consensus. Delusions of grandeur.

 

[Technics 1210]

Drivel as always from you. You're probably a flat earther, too.

Nothing is without side effects. If you get past the sensationalist headlines (which will be a struggle for you, I know) you'll see that the people who died after being administered the vaccine are very elderly and/or with terminal health conditions. The science is not on your side, but that's to be expected of someone as anti-science as yourself. It is very strange that you hold vaccine (which can be tested and verified to be safe and effective), but then you hold other positions completely on faith. Interesting.

Why don't you start protesting against surgery because there's a non-zero mortality rate (whether it's due to high-risk procedures, response to anaesthesia, or otherwise)? It's always astounding to see such unqualified people thinking they can reasonably go against the scientific consensus. Delusions of grandeur.

Back-pedal.

Folks. Surgery always has risks, but we're not talking about surgery, but vaccine and the poster claims vaccine is 100% safe but can have side effect, and admits people can die.

Incoherent and nonsensical post which is no surprise because poster subscribes to incoherent and nonsensical Darwinism - just random nonsense.

The fact is no one has any idea of the long/short term vaccine effects.

4 people develop Bells Palsy after taking Pfizer vaccine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...ot-Pfizers-vaccine-developed-Bells-palsy.html

Now watch big pharma boy deny this.

 

[Technics 1210]

Also remember the C19 vaccines out there may not even work against the new variants of C19.

 

[miandadrules]

Back-pedal.

Folks. Surgery always has risks, but we're not talking about surgery, but vaccine and the poster claims vaccine is 100% safe but can have side effect, and admits people can die.

Incoherent and nonsensical post which is no surprise because poster subscribes to incoherent and nonsensical Darwinism - just random nonsense.

The fact is no one has any idea of the long/short term vaccine effects.

4 people develop Bells Palsy after taking Pfizer vaccine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...ot-Pfizers-vaccine-developed-Bells-palsy.html

Now watch big pharma boy deny this.

As someone with medical and Pharmaceutical knowledge, I’d love if you could provide me with a more detailed breakdown.

As you’re not addressing a lay person please use as many niche terms as you’d like. Give us a detailed outlay of your position, scientifically and why your position should be taken seriously.

Because currently it’s non-sensical gibberish. Jumping from one point to another. But I’m happy to be proven wrong.

In matters of life and death, why should anyone put any faith in your opinion?

 

[miandadrules]

Also remember the C19 vaccines out there may not even work against the new variants of C19.

And why do you think this would be?

Once again, I ask for more detailed reasoning. As I have a grasp of virology, please feel free to go as much detail as you feel you can.

Thank you in advance.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Back-pedal.

Folks. Surgery always has risks, but we're not talking about surgery, but vaccine and the poster claims vaccine is 100% safe but can have side effect, and admits people can die.

Incoherent and nonsensical post which is no surprise because poster subscribes to incoherent and nonsensical Darwinism - just random nonsense.

The fact is no one has any idea of the long/short term vaccine effects.

4 people develop Bells Palsy after taking Pfizer vaccine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...ot-Pfizers-vaccine-developed-Bells-palsy.html

Now watch big pharma boy deny this.

Dr Fauci who is head of this pandemic in the US, has stated the Vaccine is less likely to work with the new strain. He has admitted lying in the past, so seems to hiding the truth again. People are dying or showing serious side effects of a vaccine which might not work at all.

 

[in_cutter]

I do wear a mask but I would not pick a fight with anyone who wishes not to.

Only a matter of time before things turn violent.

 

[in_cutter]

Seems there are a few whatsapp C19 experts here

 

[Technics 1210]

Dr Fauci who is head of this pandemic in the US, has stated the Vaccine is less likely to work with the new strain. He has admitted lying in the past, so seems to hiding the truth again. People are dying or showing serious side effects of a vaccine which might not work at all.

Big pharma is big business. Fauci was caught lying which is why he had to confess to lying; his advise was as unreliable as that of WHO.

Shares in big pharma companies have rocketed in the past few months; plus big pharma are one of the biggest lobbyists in the USA.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Big pharma is big business. Fauci was caught lying which is why he had to confess to lying; his advise was as unreliable as that of WHO.

Shares in big pharma companies have rocketed in the past few months; plus big pharma are one of the biggest lobbyists in the USA.

He has been around longer than the dinasours and a biggest supporter of Big Pharma since Aids was discovered in the early 80's. 20+ years later the vaccine for HIV he championed was proven to be pretty much worthless but he called it encouaging signs. If you look at his history , it's like asking the Grim Reaper to be your personal doctor.

 

[Tubs]

Back-pedal.

Folks. Surgery always has risks, but we're not talking about surgery, but vaccine and the poster claims vaccine is 100% safe but can have side effect, and admits people can die.

Incoherent and nonsensical post which is no surprise because poster subscribes to incoherent and nonsensical Darwinism - just random nonsense.

The fact is no one has any idea of the long/short term vaccine effects.

4 people develop Bells Palsy after taking Pfizer vaccine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...ot-Pfizers-vaccine-developed-Bells-palsy.html

Now watch big pharma boy deny this.

Nothing is 100% safe, I didn't say they were either. Anaesthesia kills and paralyses people, but it's required. Vaccines are required, despite them having a very small, non-zero chance of bad side effects.

Bell's Palsy is usually temporary. It is terrible that it happened to them, but your own source says this

'Overall Bell's is unpredictable and common enough that it's thus far doubtful that Pfizer's COVID-19 causes it, but the FDA's scientists hinted that, if the panel set to meet on Thursday green-light it - Pfizer may be required to closely track data on whether more vaccine recipients develop the temporary facial paralysis.'

And this 'fewer than 0.5 percent of the trial participants had serious side effects. '

Please read your sources before you try to use them to back up your point, because this one certainly did not.

Ah, still peddling your anti-science agenda? No surprise that you go against the scientific consensus for vaccines and evolution. Please tell me how the Earth is flat too. While you're at it, please substantiate the ridiculous claim that you made a while back that there are peer-reviewed, scientific papers which say science leads to god.

 

[Tubs]

And why do you think this would be?

Once again, I ask for more detailed reasoning. As I have a grasp of virology, please feel free to go as much detail as you feel you can.

Thank you in advance.

Yep, that's simply conjecture. He wants it to be true to fit his biases- to be expected of someone who doesn't understand and rejects science.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...and-biontech-puresults-study-showing-covid-19

Try harder [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]

 

[Technics 1210]

Nothing is 100% safe.

"You can call it rushed all you like, it is safe."

I reckon in a few more posts you will finally admit your post in this thread #80) was misleading, incorrect, ignorant, and dishonest. Traits of a Darwinist; pretenders of science.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yep, that's simply conjecture. He wants it to be true to fit his biases- to be expected of someone who doesn't understand and rejects science.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...and-biontech-puresults-study-showing-covid-19

Try harder [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]

What did I predict?

And a big Ha Ha, you cite a link to the manufacturer of the vaccine; like they are going to admit their vaccine has far greater consequences than just 'side effects'.

RUSH JOB.

Stop pretending you know the full effects of the vaccine.

Go back to spreading fake news.

 

[Tubs]

"You can call it rushed all you like, it is safe."

I reckon in a few more posts you will finally admit your post in this thread #80) was misleading, incorrect, ignorant, and dishonest. Traits of a Darwinist; pretenders of science.

Thank you for showing I never said 100% safe. Safety is a spectrum, the UK is a safe country but it doesn't mean you're 100% safe from harm. You are being dishonest, because you have no arguments.

Evolution is science, no matter how much you cry about it, that won't change.

What did I predict?

And a big Ha Ha, you cite a link to the manufacturer of the vaccine; like they are going to admit their vaccine has far greater consequences than just 'side effects'.

RUSH JOB.

Stop pretending you know the full effects of the vaccine.

Go back to spreading fake news.

The same people reported their own side effects in the clinical trials. Again, you know nothing of how all this works. And this is data, more than what you have. I know you want to think you're enlightened and are one of the few aware of the grand conspiracy, but you are just some pseudointellectual hiding behind a keyboard. You have no expertise whatsoever, and think you know better than the scientific consensus. I never said I knew the full effects, but there's no evidence whatsoever to show that there are common, serious side effects.

Also, please respond to [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] , please show him your specialist scientific knowledge.

 

[Technics 1210]

This is the reason why big pharma cannot be trusted. They claim the vaccine is safe but then claim it's not 100% safe.

People are feel to trust the wannabe scientists; but the basic tenet of science is repeatable and predictable tests. This vaccine was rushed.

Biology has no axioms, but we should trust a keyboard warrior locked up in some bedroom who has trust in a rushed vaccine, and advises other to take the risk - cos it's safe, though sometimes not safe.

I bet he's a Pfizer sales agent.

 

[miandadrules]

This is the reason why big pharma cannot be trusted. They claim the vaccine is safe but then claim it's not 100% safe.

People are feel to trust the wannabe scientists; but the basic tenet of science is repeatable and predictable tests. This vaccine was rushed.

Biology has no axioms, but we should trust a keyboard warrior locked up in some bedroom who has trust in a rushed vaccine, and advises other to take the risk - cos it's safe, though sometimes not safe.

I bet he's a Pfizer sales agent.

The irony!

 

[Tubs]

This is the reason why big pharma cannot be trusted. They claim the vaccine is safe but then claim it's not 100% safe.

People are feel to trust the wannabe scientists; but the basic tenet of science is repeatable and predictable tests. This vaccine was rushed.

Biology has no axioms, but we should trust a keyboard warrior locked up in some bedroom who has trust in a rushed vaccine, and advises other to take the risk - cos it's safe, though sometimes not safe.

I bet he's a Pfizer sales agent.

I wonder what the clinical trials were for... oh yeah, that's right, repeatable and predictable tests.

Yes, I did claim it was safe, and it is. It would never have been approved if it wasn't. You brought up the term '100% safe', not me. Nothing is 100% safe, especially when it comes to medication. You're just desperately trying to cling to anything to hide the fact that your claim that the vaccine may not work on the new strains, when there is preliminary evidence to show that it does. The manuscript itself has been reviewed, and it acknowledges conflicts of interest, like all papers do (as you wouldn't know). It will go through peer-review now, maybe you'll be one of the reviewers with your extensive knowledge! Unlike you, I read my sources before claiming they support my argument (which you don't, as shown before, you just cling to a sensationalist headline).

If I was a Pfizer sales agent, my bank account would be a lot fatter, that's for sure. Perhaps I'll give them a call.

 

[Tubs]

Very surprised that he hasn't given you the detailed, scientific breakdown that you asked for! Considering that he's such an accomplished scholar who has debunked evolution and shown that science leads to god, I thought rudimentary virology would be child's play to him!
[MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION]

 

[Technics 1210]

Clinical trials!

The FDA admitted they had to rush the approval to subside fear, simply there was not enough time to complete thorough trials. Biology has no axioms. This is why medicine/vaccine can have different effect on different people.

Fact is no on knows whether the vaccine is effective, it could take months or even years, by the big pharma will be flogging new variant C19 vaccine.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Everyone just needs to chill out and build up their immune systems. Which is easy to do, and is the cure to everything.

 

[Tubs]

Clinical trials! ��

The FDA admitted they had to rush the approval to subside fear, simply there was not enough time to complete thorough trials. Biology has no axioms. This is why medicine/vaccine can have different effect on different people.

Fact is no on knows whether the vaccine is effective, it could take months or even years, by the big pharma will be flogging new variant C19 vaccine.

The trial process was faster, but it fulfilled the required phases I to III. Many scientists (yes, scientists, something that you never will be) who were working on other vaccines moved to help with C19 ones. So while the 10-month process was faster than usual, there was a larger volume of people working on it than there usually would be. The trials conducted were sufficient for regulators to give approval, but that isn't enough for an accomplished academic as yourself, it seems!

You are simply far too dishonest and stuck in your conspiratorial, pseudoscientific ways to acknowledge that you're way out of your depth. Please show us your credentials in the fields of either virology, pharmaceutical science, biomedical science or related to show that you have any credibility in rejecting the scientific consensus. I'd assume those credentials are in the same place as your credentials in evolutionary biology, however.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nothing is 100% safe, I didn't say they were either. Anaesthesia kills and paralyses people, but it's required. Vaccines are required, despite them having a very small, non-zero chance of bad side effects.

Bell's Palsy is usually temporary. It is terrible that it happened to them, but your own source says this

'Overall Bell's is unpredictable and common enough that it's thus far doubtful that Pfizer's COVID-19 causes it, but the FDA's scientists hinted that, if the panel set to meet on Thursday green-light it - Pfizer may be required to closely track data on whether more vaccine recipients develop the temporary facial paralysis.'

And this 'fewer than 0.5 percent of the trial participants had serious side effects. '

Please read your sources before you try to use them to back up your point, because this one certainly did not.

Ah, still peddling your anti-science agenda? No surprise that you go against the scientific consensus for vaccines and evolution. Please tell me how the Earth is flat too. While you're at it, please substantiate the ridiculous claim that you made a while back that there are peer-reviewed, scientific papers which say science leads to god.

Dr Fauci head of pandemic in the US has clearly said the vaccine isnt as efficient due to the new strain. Do I believe him or you?

 

[Tubs]

Dr Fauci head of pandemic in the US has clearly said the vaccine isnt as efficient due to the new strain. Do I believe him or you?

Now you're believing Fauci when you were just calling him a liar?

This is what Fauci said:

“Right now, from the reports we have—literally, as of today—it appears that the vaccines will still be effective against [the new strains], with the caveat in mind you want to pay close attention to it,” Fauci said Thursday.

Pure dishonesty and lies from you now. Even if it was the case that it was less effective, these new types of vaccines are easily adjustable, which I linked an article earlier saying that.

So, please believe Fauci and the millions of other scientists in this field.

 

[Technics 1210]

Dr Fauci head of pandemic in the US has clearly said the vaccine isnt as efficient due to the new strain. Do I believe him or you?

Yup, the advise from WHO all the way from Fauci has been flip flop. The so called professionals cannot be trusted because they themselves are not sure.

the reality is more C19 deaths are recorded in the West - advanced 1st world countires - simply because more people are hooked/prescribed on drugs from big pharma - their bodies have lost the abilities to rely on their own immune system because they've been relying on external drugs.

One drug has a side effect, they take an additional drug to combat the side effect, another to combat the side effect of the second drug and so on.

Meanwhile the rich and powerful a cured from C19 with a week or two. From Prince Charles to Boris. Funny little coincidence.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Now you're believing Fauci when you were just calling him a liar?

This is what Fauci said:

“Right now, from the reports we have—literally, as of today—it appears that the vaccines will still be effective against [the new strains], with the caveat in mind you want to pay close attention to it,” Fauci said Thursday.

Pure dishonesty and lies from you now. Even if it was the case that it was less effective, these new types of vaccines are easily adjustable, which I linked an article earlier saying that.

So, please believe Fauci and the millions of other scientists in this field.

I dont believe him, never suggested I do. I was suggesting you do or unless you disagree with him.

I wrote it's not as efficient, not thats it's not effective. He says it here. You are agreeing to what I said about him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWjfQhGbXnA

No thanks, Fauci has admitted he lied about the pandemic. I stop believing liars. Try to read more carefully.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yup, the advise from WHO all the way from Fauci has been flip flop. The so called professionals cannot be trusted because they themselves are not sure.

the reality is more C19 deaths are recorded in the West - advanced 1st world countires - simply because more people are hooked/prescribed on drugs from big pharma - their bodies have lost the abilities to rely on their own immune system because they've been relying on external drugs.

One drug has a side effect, they take an additional drug to combat the side effect, another to combat the side effect of the second drug and so on.

Meanwhile the rich and powerful a cured from C19 with a week or two. From Prince Charles to Boris. Funny little coincidence.

This is the man who said " coronavirus was 'a very, very low risk to the United States. ... It isn't something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about"

Now admits he's lied about many things. This clown has a clear agenda it seems.

 

[Technics 1210]

This is the man who said " coronavirus was 'a very, very low risk to the United States. ... It isn't something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about"

Now admits he's lied about many things. This clown has a clear agenda it seems.

Trump vindicated again; cannot trust a self confessed liar. No leader could've combatted C19 effectively based on such wishy washy advise.

 

[Tubs]

I dont believe him, never suggested I do. I was suggesting you do or unless you disagree with him.

I wrote it's not as efficient, not thats it's not effective. He says it here. You are agreeing to what I said about him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWjfQhGbXnA

No thanks, Fauci has admitted he lied about the pandemic. I stop believing liars. Try to read more carefully.

You don't need to appeal to Fauci, the totality of evidence is against you. I even said before that if it's less effective, these new types of vaccines are more adaptable, vaccines for newer strains can be made very quickly. You have no leg to stand on, you just don't understand science. Please stop commenting on things you know nothing about.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Trump vindicated again; cannot trust a self confessed liar. No leader could've combatted C19 effectively based on such wishy washy advise.

After saying it's very very low risk, nothing to worry about , later he says. "the administration had "started mitigation earlier," more lives could have been saved, and "no one is going to deny that."

lol.

He has been given false advise , flip flopping, seems confused . Here is another gem from this fool.

"“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"

Now he changes his tune like the British weather. lol

 

[KingKhanWC]

You don't need to appeal to Fauci, the totality of evidence is against you. I even said before that if it's less effective, these new types of vaccines are more adaptable, vaccines for newer strains can be made very quickly. You have no leg to stand on, you just don't understand science. Please stop commenting on things you know nothing about.

You seem as confused as Fauci, going to college doesnt make you an expert as we have seen with Fauci who is more qualified and more experienced than your proffesor.

This is what he said.

"" coronavirus was 'a very, very low risk to the United States. ... It isn't something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about"

“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"

Experts and college students seem to be confused, flip flopping like rabbits on a trampaline.

 

[Technics 1210]

After saying it's very very low risk, nothing to worry about , later he says. "the administration had "started mitigation earlier," more lives could have been saved, and "no one is going to deny that."

lol.

He has been given false advise , flip flopping, seems confused . Here is another gem from this fool.

"“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"

Now he changes his tune like the British weather. lol

I think Fauci's agenda was to make Trump look bad.

If C19 hadn't happened or was under control, Trump would be president now.

 

[miandadrules]

You seem as confused as Fauci, going to college doesnt make you an expert as we have seen with Fauci who is more qualified and more experienced than your proffesor.

This is what he said.

"" coronavirus was 'a very, very low risk to the United States. ... It isn't something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about"

“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"

Experts and college students seem to be confused, flip flopping like rabbits on a trampaline.

Which university did you quality from?

Why should anyone risk their life based on your opinion?

Love a detailed response rather than usual drivel.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think Fauci's agenda was to make Trump look bad.

If C19 hadn't happened or was under control, Trump would be president now.

For sure, he wanted Biden in, reason for him being so happy right now.

 

[Tubs]

You seem as confused as Fauci, going to college doesnt make you an expert as we have seen with Fauci who is more qualified and more experienced than your proffesor.

This is what he said.

"" coronavirus was 'a very, very low risk to the United States. ... It isn't something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about"

“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"

Experts and college students seem to be confused, flip flopping like rabbits on a trampaline.

I just said you don't need to look at Fauci, and see the totality of evidence, but you go right back to Fauci. I'm unsure why you mention my professors, who are all professors/lecturers in mathematics, computer science, robotics, AI, etc, not virology, biomed, pharmasci, etc. Again, look at the totality of evidence.

But let me fact check you, Fauci said this :

"Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about."

That was the day of the first infection. So dishonest not to mention that. He even said 'right now'. That was last January, before it became a world wide pandemic.

And to fact check your second quote, here's the article https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...o-be-walking-around-with-a-mask-idUSKBN26T2TR

Basically, Fauci made that comment before the guidelines were updated, and wanted to avoid a mask shortage for health workers, and the rate of asymptomatic spread was unknown back then. Again, you're being very dishonest by not giving the full context. When new data and information was available, he advocated for masks. Such is the scientific method, you refine your methods after new data is available.

Ignoring your comments on college students, as they're not relevant to this at all, the experts know far more than you. The totality of evidence is against you. None of this is my opinion. You really are deluded if you think you have any credibility in challenging the scientific consensus, please humble yourself.

 

[Tubs]

Ugh, and the Trump obsession continues. Trump was consistently anti-mask, told people not to be afraid of covid and go out, he was complicit in the horrible handling of covid. But typical Trumpists can't accept that he lost because he made pathetic decisions, and went back on his promise of populism and being anti-war (record number of drone strikes, tried to start a war with Iran by assassinating Suleimani). Don't get me wrong, Biden is terrible, but just marginally better than Trump.

 

[saeedhk]

If foreign-based Pakistanis who have access to so much information are such massive conspiracy theorists, imagine what views a typical Pakistani villager holds. Bhera gharq, satya naas!

 

[El Generico]

If foreign-based Pakistanis who have access to so much information are such massive conspiracy theorists, imagine what views a typical Pakistani villager holds. Bhera gharq, satya naas!

The Anti-mask movement is quite big in the western world especially among right wing groups. Not sure why you think this is somehow exclusive to Pakistan.

In fact from what I have seen the anti-Mask groups are way stronger in the UK/US than they are in Pakistan.

Also your elitism does not make much sense either, a lot of rich educated people including top US politicians are major anti-maskers. Being anti-mask has nothing to do with “typical villagers”.

 

[saeedhk]

The Anti-mask movement is quite big in the western world especially among right wing groups. Not sure why you think this is somehow exclusive to Pakistan.

In fact from what I have seen the anti-Mask groups are way stronger in the UK/US than they are in Pakistan.

Also your elitism does not make much sense either, a lot of rich educated people including top US politicians are major anti-maskers. Being anti-mask has nothing to do with “typical villagers”.

Because even if a buffalo dies in Pakistan, they pin the blame on India and Israel. Biggest conspiracy theorists. Our thirst for conspiracy theories is unmatched.

 

[Markhor]

I am a glasses wearer. Was really struggling at first, particularly when wearing cloth masks. But the standard blue disposable masks with the string are spot on. They have an internal mesh strip across the top, which can be fit tightly over the bridge of your nose and moulded to fit. I can then rest my glasses on top of this mesh: no more steaming up, and a comfortable mask.

I had the same problem also as a glasses wearer.

I got a mask with a valve which has helped. They only steam up during exercise/physical exertion.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Because even if a buffalo dies in Pakistan, they pin the blame on India and Israel. Biggest conspiracy theorists. Our thirst for conspiracy theories is unmatched.

No need to try and shoehorn your warped views in every thread. The anti mask movement is huge in America and Britain, and on a side note even the QAnon conspiracy in general is bigger than any conspiracy Pakistanis believe. Despite the high death tolls in Britain and America people still don't take precautions.

So please calm yourself before making the same comments over and over.

 

[saeedhk]

No need to try and shoehorn your warped views in every thread. The anti mask movement is huge in America and Britain, and on a side note even the QAnon conspiracy in general is bigger than any conspiracy Pakistanis believe. Despite the high death tolls in Britain and America people still don't take precautions.

So please calm yourself before making the same comments over and over.

Nope. Nobody beats us in conspiracy theories.

 

[Technics 1210]

You have to feel for HK residents.

They wear masks all round outside of C19, have no democray, no religious freedom, no free speech, and are subservient poodles of China.

Pakistan fares much better despite it's problems - better to die standing than live on your knees.

 

[Tubs]

You have to feel for HK residents.

They wear masks all round outside of C19, have no democray, no religious freedom, no free speech, and are subservient poodles of China.

Pakistan fares much better despite it's problems - better to die standing than live on your knees.

Please do answer [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] 's request about giving a scientific breakdown of the vaccine and virus!

 

[Pakpak]

Please do answer [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] 's request about giving a scientific breakdown of the vaccine and virus!

You'll be waiting for a long time. His knowledge comes from lunatic YouTube videos. Some of these people have no idea how vaccines work nor any kind of knowledge when it comes to science.

 

[Technics 1210]

Please do answer [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] 's request about giving a scientific breakdown of the vaccine and virus!

Oh hello, you again.

Miandad rule is a fake; I ignore him. He got ousted on claims that Islam, in particular Qur'an doesn't reflect on the importance of Judaism and Christianity, in particular Moses (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) not being guided by the same God (Allah) of Mohammed (PBUH).

Feel free to hold his hand as a hater of Pakistan and Islam.

 

[Technics 1210]

For sure, he wanted Biden in, reason for him being so happy right now.

Fauci's advicce from the onset as you said :

"There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"

I challenge anyone to lead a country on the back of this humpty dumpty advise.

Trump atleast suggested to shutdown flights from China, but even then he was labelled a racist by, wait for this, the looney left.

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/16/racism-coronavirus-china-europe/

Then the same left weep when C19 was spreading like wildfire but refused to do the right thing at the time - shut border to contain the virus.

They deserve everything they get now.

 

[saeedhk]

You have to feel for HK residents.

They wear masks all round outside of C19, have no democray, no religious freedom, no free speech, and are subservient poodles of China.

Pakistan fares much better despite it's problems - better to die standing than live on your knees.

You need to stop watching conspiracy videos! Zaid Hamid, Shaheer Sialvi, Dr Qayamat Masood and Orya are not a good source of information!

Fully agree! Pakistan is the undisputed superpower! HK is pretty bad. Just compare the numbers and the HDI indices. HK fares horrible in all!

And, Pakistan is not a slave of China.

 

[Technics 1210]

You need to stop watching conspiracy videos! Zaid Hamid, Shaheer Sialvi, Dr Qayamat Masood and Orya are not a good source of information!

Fully agree! Pakistan is the undisputed superpower! HK is pretty bad. Just compare the numbers and the HDI indices. HK fares horrible in all!

And, Pakistan is not a slave of China.

It's not a conspiracy, HK is a silo of China. HK cannot even protest peacefully without being threatened by China.

I know you were not born there, but face masks are quite common in the Far East, long before C19.

Read up a little on the satellite state that is HK.

 

[Tubs]

Oh hello, you again.

Miandad rule is a fake; I ignore him. He got ousted on claims that Islam, in particular Qur'an doesn't reflect on the importance of Judaism and Christianity, in particular Moses (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) not being guided by the same God (Allah) of Mohammed (PBUH).

Feel free to hold his hand as a hater of Pakistan and Islam.

Fantastic, but that is not at all related to knowledge of virology and other disciplines related to vaccines and viruses. Please stop being evasive and answer his challenge. It will also disprove [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] 's assertion (which I wholeheartedly agree with) that you know nothing on this topic.

 

[Technics 1210]

Fantastic, but that is not at all related to knowledge of virology and other disciplines related to vaccines and viruses. Please stop being evasive and answer his challenge. It will also disprove [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] 's assertion (which I wholeheartedly agree with) that you know nothing on this topic.

It is related to intellect.

It is you who needs to stop being evasive. If you actually believe the spiel you post you'd have an answer to Fauci's riddiculous and flip-flop claims.

Reminder : "There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"

Was Dr Fauci right or wrong? Yes or no Mr science?

PS: I ignore PakPak too, his views on the EU (entering the UK via back channels) are 100% bias and lack a pre EU view, as are his generalisations of racism/facsim of anyone who disagrees with him.

Still read your posts, Tub!

 

[Tubs]

It is related to intellect.

It is you who needs to stop being evasive. If you actually believe the spiel you post you'd have an answer to Fauci's riddiculous and flip-flop claims.

Reminder : "There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"

Was Dr Fauci right or wrong? Yes or no Mr science?

PS: I ignore PakPak too, his views on the EU (entering the UK via back channels) are 100% bias and lack a pre EU view, as are his generalisations of racism/facsim of anyone who disagrees with him.

Still read your posts, Tub!

I didn't bring up Fauci, Fauci isn't some infallible arbiter of science. I have posted the context of when he said that, and yes he was wrong. The regulations changed soon after he said that, and he followed those regulations.

It is not related to intellect. Interpretation of an ancient text isn't a direct indicator of intellect.

Stop being evasive, show us your knowledge of virology/biomed/pharamsci/any other related field. You make assertion after assertion yet never substantiate anything.

Again, that is wholly irrelevant to this discussion, too. These dishonest debate tactics are on show to everyone, you know. You're doing yourself a disservice here.

Aren't I flattered. Please sprinkle some of your knowledge onto us, professor!

 

[Technics 1210]

I didn't bring up Fauci, Fauci isn't some infallible arbiter of science. I have posted the context of when he said that, and yes he was wrong. The regulations changed soon after he said that, and he followed those regulations.

It is not related to intellect. Interpretation of an ancient text isn't a direct indicator of intellect.

Stop being evasive, show us your knowledge of virology/biomed/pharamsci/any other related field. You make assertion after assertion yet never substantiate anything.

Again, that is wholly irrelevant to this discussion, too. These dishonest debate tactics are on show to everyone, you know. You're doing yourself a disservice here.

Aren't I flattered. Please sprinkle some of your knowledge onto us, professor!

Evasive.

You can't even answer a yes or no question based on a direct quote cos it will expose your ignorance of science, and your faith in so called experts of science .

Thanks for playing.

 

[Tubs]

Evasive.

You can't even answer a yes or no question based on a direct quote cos it will expose your ignorance of science, and your faith in so called experts of science .

Thanks for playing.

I said yes he was wrong. And he changed his view point after. It's also dishonest not to mention how he didn't want masks for health workers to be unavailable, and how asymptomatic spread wasn't as well understood at the time he said that. Quote-mining is a tool of the dishonest, after all.

Now, you stop being evasive and show your knowledge of the science behind vaccines. Let's hear it. And as you already know, I am currently being trained as a scientist, and you have no credentials. I also have no faith, I only follow evidence. I am not intellectually dishonest like you who thinks faith is a rational position.

So please, give us a detailed breakdown of the vaccine, which was asked of you yesterday. The more you continue to be evasive, the more your ignorance shows to everyone. You'd be respected far more if you concede and admit you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Pakpak]

I said yes he was wrong. And he changed his view point after. It's also dishonest not to mention how he didn't want masks for health workers to be unavailable, and how asymptomatic spread wasn't as well understood at the time he said that. Quote-mining is a tool of the dishonest, after all.

Now, you stop being evasive and show your knowledge of the science behind vaccines. Let's hear it. And as you already know, I am currently being trained as a scientist, and you have no credentials. I also have no faith, I only follow evidence. I am not intellectually dishonest like you who thinks faith is a rational position.

So please, give us a detailed breakdown of the vaccine, which was asked of you yesterday. The more you continue to be evasive, the more your ignorance shows to everyone. You'd be respected far more if you concede and admit you have no idea what you're talking about.

He won't be giving you a straight answer. By the way he posts his education level seems to be high school at best. Anything he says is an insult to science and medicine. Infact all these armchair experts can't tell you their views; because of their knowledge is derived from conspiracy nutters. They will quote you science when it supports their view and question the very same science when it doesn't support them. I remember a member here posting nonsense about vaccine causing genetic modification when he had no knowledge about how a vaccine or mRNA works or how it won't be able to reach the nucleus (where the genetic material is held) and no modification like this can be possible whatsoever.

Its massively tragic that people with cavemen knowledge and mentalities are holding the advancement of our species. The heartening thing is the pace at which Science is progressing, these people will either be gone or will be a very fringe part of our society in a 100 or 200 years.

 

[Technics 1210]

I said yes he was wrong. And he changed his view point after. It's also dishonest not to mention how he didn't want masks for health workers to be unavailable, and how asymptomatic spread wasn't as well understood at the time he said that. Quote-mining is a tool of the dishonest, after all.

Now, you stop being evasive and show your knowledge of the science behind vaccines. Let's hear it. And as you already know, I am currently being trained as a scientist, and you have no credentials. I also have no faith, I only follow evidence. I am not intellectually dishonest like you who thinks faith is a rational position.

So please, give us a detailed breakdown of the vaccine, which was asked of you yesterday. The more you continue to be evasive, the more your ignorance shows to everyone. You'd be respected far more if you concede and admit you have no idea what you're talking about.

So you admit Fauci was wrong, but coverup with quote mining. You are not brave enough to admit he is the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and Chief Medical Advisor to the President.

The President at the time, Trump, was following his advise, which turned out to be wrong, yet you blame Trump.

You cannot wriggle out of this one.

So save the nonsense I have no idea, when Fauci being the expert mislead Amreeka.

The damage was done and there's no reason to believe experts anymore.

 

[Pakpak]

 

[Pakpak]

Not sure how old the above picture is, but pretty much true.

 

[Tubs]

So you admit Fauci was wrong, but coverup with quote mining. You are not brave enough to admit he is the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and Chief Medical Advisor to the President.

The President at the time, Trump, was following his advise, which turned out to be wrong, yet you blame Trump.

You cannot wriggle out of this one.

So save the nonsense I have no idea, when Fauci being the expert mislead Amreeka.

The damage was done and there's no reason to believe experts anymore.

I am happy to talk about the Fauci situation and your obsession with Trump after you give us the detailed breakdown that was asked of you. You are dodging everything asked of you by bringing up other points, stop being evasive.

 

[El Generico]

Nope. Nobody beats us in conspiracy theories.

A 5g conspiracy theorist carried out a suicide attack in the US a month ago. And the capitol riots which ended up with a officer killed were also led by qanon conspiracy theorists.

Don’t think Pakistani conspiracy theorist can match the craziness of all this.

 

[Technics 1210]

I am happy to talk about the Fauci situation and your obsession with Trump after you give us the detailed breakdown that was asked of you. You are dodging everything asked of you by bringing up other points, stop being evasive.

Fauci is history now, and he's views lack credibility.

As a scientist your job is to follow the evidence without bias, yet here you are claiming you didn't bring up Fauci when it doesn't matter who does, his professional opinion did matter, since America depended on it.

Now put 2 and 2 together. My obsession isn't with Trump (this your get out excuse), but my obession is highlighting both sides of the situation for a full perspective.

I have no reason to put faith in a vaccine that hasn't been tested long enough. My views on the vaccine are neither here nor there, I think it's all sensationalism, buy go right ahead and put faith and big pharma, because their intentions are always clear!

 

[Tubs]

Fauci is history now, and he's views lack credibility.

As a scientist your job is to follow the evidence without bias, yet here you are claiming you didn't bring up Fauci when it doesn't matter who does, his professional opinion did matter, since America depended on it.

Now put 2 and 2 together. My obsession isn't with Trump (this your get out excuse), but my obession is highlighting both sides of the situation for a full perspective.

I have no reason to put faith in a vaccine that hasn't been tested long enough. My views on the vaccine are neither here nor there, I think it's all sensationalism, buy go right ahead and put faith and big pharma, because their intentions are always clear!

You are a Trump cheerleader, embarrassingly so.

Not quite sure what you mean about the 'follow evidence without bias' thing, I gave you the context of Fauci's mask advice (didn't want the masks to run out for health workers, and it was before the CDC guidelines changed, and this was before asymptomatic transmission was understood). Fauci, like a scientist, followed the latest evidence and advocated for masks after more discoveries were made. Trump consistently downplayed the virus, told people to go out and not be afraid, was overtly anti-mask even after Fauci was advocating for them, yet you blame Fauci for working with the evidence he had. Says a lot, and shows your monumental arrogance that you think you're anywhere near as qualified as Fauci. Also, Fauci is an advisor to the president, yes, but he gets information from many other scientists, and organisations, such as the CDC. To think that one scientist is behind all the decisions is laughable and shows your ignorance. Science doesn't change at the whims of whoever is in charge, like religion does. There, I have answered your questions to me.

Again, you haven't given an scientific justification for opposing the virus. You haven't given data about any widespread, serious side effects that are unique to this vaccine. When I mentioned it passed all phases of clinical trials (and was found to have a 95% success rate) you just responded with a laughing emoji. There is no science to back your position, no data, just your feelings. You are putting your faith into the science being incorrect, which there isn't any evidence for.

One more time, please give a scientific breakdown on the vaccine and virus, to justify your aversion to it.

I hope everyone here can see that you can never substantiate the conjecture that you spout. However, it doesn't mean much because no one takes you seriously here anyway.

 

[Technics 1210]

You are a Trump cheerleader, embarrassingly so.

Not quite sure what you mean about the 'follow evidence without bias' thing, I gave you the context of Fauci's mask advice (didn't want the masks to run out for health workers, and it was before the CDC guidelines changed, and this was before asymptomatic transmission was understood). Fauci, like a scientist, followed the latest evidence and advocated for masks after more discoveries were made. Trump consistently downplayed the virus, told people to go out and not be afraid, was overtly anti-mask even after Fauci was advocating for them, yet you blame Fauci for working with the evidence he had. Says a lot, and shows your monumental arrogance that you think you're anywhere near as qualified as Fauci. Also, Fauci is an advisor to the president, yes, but he gets information from many other scientists, and organisations, such as the CDC. To think that one scientist is behind all the decisions is laughable and shows your ignorance. Science doesn't change at the whims of whoever is in charge, like religion does. There, I have answered your questions to me.

Again, you haven't given an scientific justification for opposing the virus. You haven't given data about any widespread, serious side effects that are unique to this vaccine. When I mentioned it passed all phases of clinical trials (and was found to have a 95% success rate) you just responded with a laughing emoji. There is no science to back your position, no data, just your feelings. You are putting your faith into the science being incorrect, which there isn't any evidence for.

One more time, please give a scientific breakdown on the vaccine and virus, to justify your aversion to it.

I hope everyone here can see that you can never substantiate the conjecture that you spout. However, it doesn't mean much because no one takes you seriously here anyway.

It's not conjecture. Fauci is a self confessed liar, WHO made U-turns, and there is not enough data to suggest the vaccine is working. All three are statement of facts, and these statements of facts impugne your claim of being scientist.

Have a nice weekend!

 

[Pakpak]

For mask and fog, wear them so the bottom part of your glasses are over the mask. It's not a problem. I wear them at work without any issue.

 

[Tubs]

It's not conjecture. Fauci is a self confessed liar, WHO made U-turns, and there is not enough data to suggest the vaccine is working. All three are statement of facts, and these statements of facts impugne your claim of being scientist.

Have a nice weekend!

Let's not forget that Trump fired the pandemic response team in 2018, too.

Oh right, so the clinical trials didn't show that the vaccine is working? Please tell me else it should be tested, and why the regulatory agencies found it sufficient. You'll probably cry about Big Pharma again,(which obviously is an issue, but it's an inevitability under a free-market, capitalist system) but that is just concerned with the commodification and profiting over the vaccines. They wouldn't have passed regulators if they weren't sufficiently effective. The benchmark was 50%, and it was found to be 95% effective.

Fauci and WHO changed their stances when new data was available, such is how science is done. Again, I told you that I'd happily send you proof of me being in a PhD program, after you show me that you have any credentials at all to challenge (or even understand) the scientific consensus. Until then, everyone can see you as the ignorant, dishonest, and arrogant science denier that you are.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Let's not forget that Trump fired the pandemic response team in 2018, too.

Oh right, so the clinical trials didn't show that the vaccine is working? Please tell me else it should be tested, and why the regulatory agencies found it sufficient. You'll probably cry about Big Pharma again,(which obviously is an issue, but it's an inevitability under a free-market, capitalist system) but that is just concerned with the commodification and profiting over the vaccines. They wouldn't have passed regulators if they weren't sufficiently effective. The benchmark was 50%, and it was found to be 95% effective.

Fauci and WHO changed their stances when new data was available, such is how science is done. Again, I told you that I'd happily send you proof of me being in a PhD program, after you show me that you have any credentials at all to challenge (or even understand) the scientific consensus. Until then, everyone can see you as the ignorant, dishonest, and arrogant science denier that you are.

The governing body should look into your college if this is true.

Your defence of Fauci is lame at best. New data did not change so much for Fauci who was saying wearing masks makes little no difference, to masks should be worn...etc.

You and others are being taken for a ride, yes Covid19 is real, yes it kills but yall are being manipulated in order for the politicians and big corps to get richer and richer. One UK advisor has shares in GSK for vaccines, while the Health Sec is dishing out millions of pounds worth of contracts to his buddies.

Do what you feel is best for you, but you have no right to tell others what they should or should not do, esp if they are not breaking any laws. If you were so influential and important you wouldnt be sitting on your keyboard.

 

[Tubs]

The governing body should look into your college if this is true.

Your defence of Fauci is lame at best. New data did not change so much for Fauci who was saying wearing masks makes little no difference, to masks should be worn...etc.

You and others are being taken for a ride, yes Covid19 is real, yes it kills but yall are being manipulated in order for the politicians and big corps to get richer and richer. One UK advisor has shares in GSK for vaccines, while the Health Sec is dishing out millions of pounds worth of contracts to his buddies.

Do what you feel is best for you, but you have no right to tell others what they should or should not do, esp if they are not breaking any laws. If you were so influential and important you wouldnt be sitting on your keyboard.

It is one of the best in the UK, perhaps Europe, at what it does. My academic track record is pretty good too. Same can't be said for you that has no qualifications. You shouldn't throw stones from glass houses.

You quote-mined so many things. All the sources you provided contradicted your points. There is justification for why Fauci said what he did about masks, and when new data was available (especially about asymptomatic transmission), the CDC recommended masks and so did Fauci. You really are bad at this.

Yes, companies want to maximise profit. Such is the consequence of free-market capitalism. I'm glad you' re on board with me for advocating for social democratic principles, perhaps even a market socialist economy! Welcome aboard, comrade!

I am not saying anything from my opinion. I am just repeating what the world-leading experts, who understand the science- which you do not. I am by no means any authority, which is why I listen to the scientific consensus. Yet you here think you know better. Why don't you get off your keyboard and prove them wrong? This would be ground breaking stuff. Please enlighten us.

 

[Technics 1210]

Let's not forget that Trump fired the pandemic response team in 2018, too.

Oh right, so the clinical trials didn't show that the vaccine is working? Please tell me else it should be tested, and why the regulatory agencies found it sufficient. You'll probably cry about Big Pharma again,(which obviously is an issue, but it's an inevitability under a free-market, capitalist system) but that is just concerned with the commodification and profiting over the vaccines. They wouldn't have passed regulators if they weren't sufficiently effective. The benchmark was 50%, and it was found to be 95% effective.

Fauci and WHO changed their stances when new data was available, such is how science is done. Again, I told you that I'd happily send you proof of me being in a PhD program, after you show me that you have any credentials at all to challenge (or even understand) the scientific consensus. Until then, everyone can see you as the ignorant, dishonest, and arrogant science denier that you are.

Oh so Fauci and WHO couldn't suss the virus in a year because of new data, but Pfizer created a vaccine in months and they're 100% sure it works, and is safe, despite new data every other week. Do you ever tire of contradicting yourself?

You are ruffled, clearly. I didn't ask for your credentials, no need to be insecure about all of this. You are not a scientist seeking the truth. You don't follow the evidence, you follow your opinion.

You are right about one thing though, I couldn't care less what people think of me or my opinions.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It is one of the best in the UK, perhaps Europe, at what it does. My academic track record is pretty good too. Same can't be said for you that has no qualifications. You shouldn't throw stones from glass houses.

You quote-mined so many things. All the sources you provided contradicted your points. There is justification for why Fauci said what he did about masks, and when new data was available (especially about asymptomatic transmission), the CDC recommended masks and so did Fauci. You really are bad at this.

Yes, companies want to maximise profit. Such is the consequence of free-market capitalism. I'm glad you' re on board with me for advocating for social democratic principles, perhaps even a market socialist economy! Welcome aboard, comrade!

I am not saying anything from my opinion. I am just repeating what the world-leading experts, who understand the science- which you do not. I am by no means any authority, which is why I listen to the scientific consensus. Yet you here think you know better. Why don't you get off your keyboard and prove them wrong? This would be ground breaking stuff. Please enlighten us.

You have no idea about me lol.

Which data changed to suggest a massive difference in opinion for masks for Fauci? Please show me the data, the timeline of his first quote and the timeline of his next quote within the data.

 

[Tubs]

Oh so Fauci and WHO couldn't suss the virus in a year because of new data, but Pfizer created a vaccine in months and they're 100% sure it works, and is safe, despite new data every other week. Do you ever tire of contradicting yourself?

You are ruffled, clearly. I didn't ask for your credentials, no need to be insecure about all of this. You are not a scientist seeking the truth. You don't follow the evidence, you follow your opinion.

You are right about one thing though, I couldn't care less what people think of me or my opinions.

You are the one who loves to bring up that I'm a 'scientist' (I am not, I am a being trained as one, but I have far more knowledge of science than you), I'm just pushing back on what you say. You are insecure since you love to bring up my credentials, I suppose it's to cover a lack of yours. Again, this isn't my opinion, it is the work and findings of the experts. Yet you think you and your pseudoscientific worldview knows better. Laughable.

What couldn't Fauci suss about the virus? If you're talking about the masks, there was uncertainty about asymptomatic transmission, and they didn't want a mask shortage for health workers. The quote you love about Fauci not recommending masks is from March, and then the CDC advised masks in April and Fauci followed their advice. The first case of corona was at the end of January in the US, so it didn't take him a 'year to suss the virus'. Dishonesty again.

You can't compare the time it takes for mechanistic understanding of the virus and the symptoms and creating a vaccine. First of all, the vaccine took 10 months. Secondly, it is much easier to sequence a genome of a virus and use it in an mRNA vaccine to trigger an immune response and test the efficacy of that vaccine than it is to test asymptomatic spread (especially during a pandemic). I talk more about asymptomatic transmission lower down. There, owned again.

So again, please tell us a scientific breakdown of the virus and why it is bad, why it may not work on new strains (not less effective, you said it may not work at all), and how the nature of mRNA vaccines doesn't allow for a quick alteration of the vaccine to accommodate new strains which may be vastly different (spoiler alert: they do)? I suppose you'll dodge this again.

You have no idea about me lol.

Which data changed to suggest a massive difference in opinion for masks for Fauci? Please show me the data, the timeline of his first quote and the timeline of his next quote within the data.

Well, despite constantly attacking my academic record which I have proof of, you have yet to state yours. I'll assume you don't have one, which is honestly fine. But you really shouldn't be attacking someone who does have one, if you don't have your own.

I highlighted the changes in Fauci's decision up above, and how the vaccine was made quickly.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks-idUSKBN26T2TR
This corroborates what I said.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/04...n-coronavirus-masks-and-an-agency-gone-quiet/

Here shows the CDC's rationale about wanting to avoid a shortage of masks for healthcare workers, who have absolutely no choice but to be very close to covid patients. Non-healthcare workers were at less risk, so there was less priority for the medical masks. They did however, say that cloth coverings were recommended. And it was soon after this briefing that the CDC were advocating for masks, because there were enough masks for healthcare workers then.

http://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/id/documents/COVID/AsymptCOVID_TransmissionShip.pdf

This paper was published on 12th March, after Fauci made his 8th March comments. Even this study shows that it cannot be fully determined what the extent of asymptomatic spread is fully, but that there is supporting evidence that a significant number of transmissions are from asymptomatic people. So things were very uncertain even at March time.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/latest-evidence/transmission

Even these studies, with the earliest being June 2020 show uncertainty, but supporting evidence of asymptomatic transmission. It is very, very difficult to test for this, but a few of the studies show up to a 28% rate of asymptomatic infection in children. That is not a trivial number. And the CDC and Fauci were advocating for masks before any of these studies came out.

Also, since you seem to think Fauci had an agenda to make things harder for Trump, why don't you address how Trump consistently downplayed the virus, told people to go out, was very outspoken in his anti-mask stance, talked about putting lysol (detol) in the bloodstream, fired the pandemic response team in 2018?

There.

 

[Technics 1210]

You are the one who loves to bring up that I'm a 'scientist' (I am not, I am a being trained as one, but I have far more knowledge of science than you), I'm just pushing back on what you say.

I didn't realise you are training as a scientist. Makes complete sense now. I thought you were a scientist with all your 'credentials' spiel. (Clearly you've done some reading today on Fauci)

You should train as a Big Pharma salesman instead (more money) because no true scientist would ever push an opinion based on prima-facia evidence inlight of new data/evidence.

Happy training.

PS: Have you taken the vaccine?

 

[Tubs]

I didn't realise you are training as a scientist. Makes complete sense now. I thought you were a scientist with all your 'credentials' spiel. (Clearly you've done some reading today on Fauci)

You should train as a Big Pharma salesman instead (more money) because no true scientist would ever push an opinion based on prima-facia evidence inlight of new data/evidence.

Happy training.

PS: Have you taken the vaccine?

Yep, you got owned by facts and data and resort to this. My current credentials are an undergraduate degree and a Postgraduate Certificate. Two things you don't have.

Right, I showed you the evidence, and you didn't comment on it. You probably don't know how to read an academic study (don't worry, I found it difficult too, I can discern most of the stats stuff but much of the medical terminology is above me), so I don't blame you. You've shown no evidence against masks, or the virus.

Thank you, I am enjoying it. I would talk to my university to see if I could get you into a biomed/biology course, but you probably don't have the A Level requirements.

I have not, I am 23 and relatively healthy (had cancer a few years back but it didn't effect my lungs so I'm not high risk).

 

[Technics 1210]

Yep, you got owned by facts and data and resort to this..

The 'facts' you posted have no bearing and are irrelevant to the following facts I have mentioned (and claimed) in this thread:

Fauci confessed he lied.
WHO made a U-turns.
Not enough data to conclude of the vaccines actually work.

Which of the above is incorrect?

Why should I put faith in a top government advisor who lied, a global health organisation that made u-turns, and a vaccine that's barley 3 months old (and was a rush job). Because yousay so and post links?

The problem with you is you don't even know whats being argued. You think it's the science, it's not, it's faith in the advise/data that has been bombarded to the public.

 

[Tubs]

The 'facts' you posted have no bearing and are irrelevant to the following facts I have mentioned (and claimed) in this thread:

Fauci confessed he lied.
WHO made a U-turns.
Not enough data to conclude of the vaccines actually work.

Which of the above is incorrect?

Why should I put faith in a top government advisor who lied, a global health organisation that made u-turns, and a vaccine that's barley 3 months old (and was a rush job). Because yousay so and post links?

The problem with you is you don't even know whats being argued. You think it's the science, it's not, it's faith in the advise/data that has been bombarded to the public.

Where did Fauci say he lied?
Unsure about the WHO, haven't commented on this.
Clinical trials have been done. It was found to be effective. Stop being dishonest.

The vaccine has been show to work. Fact. You just don't consider anything that goes against your presuppositions as science. Finally, the mask is off. Peer-reviewed papers aren't enough for you. Nothing will convince you. You will cling to any conspiratorial nonsense which confirms your bias. You know nothing of science, you cannot interpret the data, you don't understand the statistical methods used, you know nothing. For the final time. I've answered everything you asked of me, multiple times, but you have continued to be evasive. Give a scientific breakdown of the vaccine, virus and show why it can't be trusted. Show what parts of the usual process have been skipped. Show any scientific evidence to prove your point. You can't. And with this we're done. Once again, you have shown you know nothing of science. I thought you'd get bored of being wrong all the time, I guess not.

 

[Technics 1210]

Where did Fauci say he lied?
Unsure about the WHO, haven't commented on this.
Clinical trials have been done. It was found to be effective. Stop being dishonest.

The vaccine has been show to work. Fact. You just don't consider anything that goes against your presuppositions as science. Finally, the mask is off. Peer-reviewed papers aren't enough for you. Nothing will convince you. You will cling to any conspiratorial nonsense which confirms your bias. You know nothing of science, you cannot interpret the data, you don't understand the statistical methods used, you know nothing. For the final time. I've answered everything you asked of me, multiple times, but you have continued to be evasive. Give a scientific breakdown of the vaccine, virus and show why it can't be trusted. Show what parts of the usual process have been skipped. Show any scientific evidence to prove your point. You can't. And with this we're done. Once again, you have shown you know nothing of science. I thought you'd get bored of being wrong all the time, I guess not.

You are being dishonest. The vaccines have not been shown to be effective. Another strain another potential vaccine.

Show me the data that show's a direct correlation between the demographics having the vaccine and a decline in C19 infections among the same demographic.

 

[Tubs]

You are being dishonest. The vaccines have not been shown to be effective. Another strain another potential vaccine.

Show me the data that show's a direct correlation between the demographics having the vaccine and a decline in C19 infections among the same demographic.

Again, you're being evasive. The trials showed the 95% effectiveness. They passed all regulatory bodies. Here is the data. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

There. Again. Owned.

Again, you fail to tell us why the vaccine isn't effective, the burden of proof is on you. The trials show 95%. The data is on my side.

Regarding the new strain

“The beauty of the messenger RNA technology is that we can directly start to engineer a vaccine, which completely mimics this new mutation,”

http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/covid-19_vaccine_developers_respond_to_new_strain_1360492

And that's the worst-case scenario, as there is data to show that the current vaccine responds well to different strains.

Owned again.

I hope everyone sees that you refuse to substantiate your views with evidence, but I always provide evidence for my claims. Still waiting for that breakdown of the virus and vaccine.

 

[Technics 1210]

Again, you're being evasive. The trials showed the 95% effectiveness. They passed all regulatory bodies. Here is the data. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

There. Again. Owned.

Again, you fail to tell us why the vaccine isn't effective, the burden of proof is on you. The trials show 95%. The data is on my side.

Regarding the new strain

“The beauty of the messenger RNA technology is that we can directly start to engineer a vaccine, which completely mimics this new mutation,”

http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/covid-19_vaccine_developers_respond_to_new_strain_1360492

And that's the worst-case scenario, as there is data to show that the current vaccine responds well to different strains.

Owned again.

I hope everyone sees that you refuse to substantiate your views with evidence, but I always provide evidence for my claims. Still waiting for that breakdown of the virus and vaccine.

The trials are on a small sample, and rushed.

Remember no axioms in biology.

 

[Tubs]

The trials are on a small sample, and rushed.

Remember no axioms in biology.

You heard it here first, folks! It was sufficient for every regulatory body, but not for [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] ! We all still await his dissertation, breaking down the scientific intricacies of the virus, showing that it is not effective on other strains, showing that mRNA vaccines cannot be easily and quickly altered for new strains in a worst-case scenario, and what trial standards were skipped in the making of this vaccine! I for one cannot contain my excitement and your Nobel Prize awaits you for sure!