Faheem Ashraf becomes the first Pakistani to take a hat-trick in T20Is

[mak36]

Those two shots weren't really that impressive if people are using that to highlight his potential. They barely crossed the shortened boundaries.

At least let him play a 50 ball innings to see his full capabilities. From what I've seen so far, he's got a very fluid bat swing and has timing but lacking power behind the shots. Let's see if that changes on true pitches where he can use the pace of the wicket.

People aren't using the shots to highlight his potential, but rather to highlight the silliness of some of the comments people made on the back of his previous innings.

Plus put the shots aside for a moment, and consider the attitude. He comes out to face two deliveries and is able to hit sixes from ball one. Not many in the current side can do that.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Remind me, how did he do in Australia?

Teams are working him out and his response is to bowl medium pace.

Perhaps. But I would include him for another series, as I said in another thread because while others have performed better than him, he's done little wrong in the past.

 

[Mamoon]

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[MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION]

I was saying that we should wait till he achieves something meaningful before we start comparing him to the likes of Pandya and Stokes. I get it that we are badly in need of a hard hitting all-rounder and have pinned all our hopes on Fahim for now, but putting the cart before the horse has given us plenty of heartbreaks in the past, especially when it comes to all-rounders.

They all follow the same trend: they are hyped, they have their moments early in their careers, humble pies are served but then they decline. Time will tell if Fahim is different from those folks. The likes of Anwar, Bhatti etc. have had bigger moments with the bat than Fahim hitting a couple of sixes in the last over or smashing Bangladesh on a 20m boundary.

The problem is not with the hype and the optimism that he will become a quality player, and the complaints that people should not be skeptical about his qualities before he is given a chance to prove himself; the problem is that he should not be compared to XYZ before he starts producing performances to their level. Comparing Pakistani batsmen to others doesn't normally end well. I am referring to his batting in particular because although he is an all-rounder, it is his batting that will decide his long-term future.

 

[mak36]

I was saying that we should wait till he achieves something meaningful before we start comparing him to the likes of Pandya and Stokes. I get it that we are badly in need of a hard hitting all-rounder and have pinned all our hopes on Fahim for now, but putting the cart before the horse has given us plenty of heartbreaks in the past, especially when it comes to all-rounders.

They all follow the same trend: they are hyped, they have their moments early in their careers, humble pies are served but then they decline. Time will tell if Fahim is different from those folks. The likes of Anwar, Bhatti etc. have had bigger moments with the bat than Fahim hitting a couple of sixes in the last over or smashing Bangladesh on a 20m boundary.

The problem is not with the hype and the optimism that he will become a quality player, and the complaints that people should not be skeptical about his qualities before he is given a chance to prove himself; the problem is that he should not be compared to XYZ before he starts producing performances to their level. Comparing Pakistani batsmen to others doesn't normally end well. I am referring to his batting in particular because although he is an all-rounder, it is his batting that will decide his long-term future.

Let's not shift goalposts.

You said his poor hitting was worrying you. If you had ever watched him in domestic cricket you would know he was a good hitter. He is infinitely better than Anwar and Bilawal.

As for comparisons, please find a post where I compared him to Stokes or anyone else. Also, that criticism applies just as much to Pandya- posters need to stop hyping him and comparing him to other players given he is also still in the early days of his career.

Also please don't make up things just to suit your conclusion. None of the sixes he hit against Bangladesh were on the shorter side. Like I said, if you had ever watched him in domestic you would know about his power hitting capability.

 

[Mamoon]

Let's not shift goalposts.

You said his poor hitting was worrying you. If you had ever watched him in domestic cricket you would know he was a good hitter. He is infinitely better than Anwar and Bilawal.

As for comparisons, please find a post where I compared him to Stokes or anyone else. Also, that criticism applies just as much to Pandya- posters need to stop hyping him and comparing him to other players given he is also still in the early days of his career.

Also please don't make up things just to suit your conclusion. None of the sixes he hit against Bangladesh were on the shorter side. Like I said, if you had ever watched him in domestic you would know about his power hitting capability.

I don't watch much domestic cricket apart from the PSL. The coverage is too poor to waste time on.

Secondly, I didn't claim that I have watched him play in domestic cricket. Maybe If I had, I would not be skeptical about his hitting abilities. However, that is not the case and I don't pay much heed to the PP hype machine, which is why I am only going to judge by what I see in international cricket.

From what I have seen, I don't think he is in the same league as someone like Pandya as far hitting is concerned, and I believe that quite a bit of the hype has been driven by out desperation to find a hard-hitting all-rounder. Imad was overhyped as batsman in his early days for the same reasons. Quite a few people were comparing him to Yuvraj in terms of batting style, especially after the England series where he batted well.

I don't have to look for posts because it is not about you. You are a new poster and I haven't posted much this year so I don't have a good measure of your views, but I have seen a few posters who are comparing him to Stokes and Pandya.

The same doesn't apply "as much" to Pandya because he has produced some notable performances already. The knocks against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Australia are far more significant than anything Fahim has done so far, who has simply not done anything yet.

Yes he hasn't had the opportunity yet, but why not wait before has the opportunity and he has done something before starting with the comparisons?


Pandya vs Stokes comparison is more logical at this point because Pandya has some performances under his belt unlike Fahim. If Fahim plays the type of knocks that Pandya has over the last few months, PPers will end up comparing him to Sobers let alone Stokes.

You seem to be insisting on the notion that both Pandya and Fahim are equal footing at this point but unfortunately that is not the case. Fahim has quite some catching up to do for various reasons, and if he catches up with him, then by all means compare him to Pandya.

If you have issues with people writing Fahim off before he has been given an opportunity, your complaint is probably valid. However, if you have a problem with people calling a Pandya vs Fahim comparison foolish at this point then I'm afraid you don't have much of a case.

Similarly, there is not much substance in the argument that Pandya vs Stokes at this point is as foolish as Fahim vs Stokes.