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Fawad has found success in his own niche which is commendable. Averages don't tell you whether the batsman is one dimunesional or not. Ultimately what matters is what works for you.

That doesn't change the fact that a more dynamic batsman would be more useful to the team in the long run.
 
Mamoon said:
Fawad has found success in his own niche which is commendable. Averages don't tell you whether the batsman is one dimunesional or not. Ultimately what matters is what works for you.

That doesn't change the fact that a more dynamic batsman would be more useful to the team in the long run.
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Dynamic or not, what you are missing about Fawad is his ability to play long innings.
It is useful in ODIs but an absolute must in tests. Look at a list of his first class scores. He has scored a lot of centuries, but more interestingly he usually takes those to 150 and 200 plus scores.

We've been experimenting with a lot of dynamic players in the last few years at his expense. He is here to stay this time.
 
farsiddiqui said:
Dynamic or not, what you are missing about Fawad is his ability to play long innings.
It is useful in ODIs but an absolute must in tests. Look at a list of his first class scores. He has scored a lot of centuries, but more interestingly he usually takes those to 150 and 200 plus scores.

We've been experimenting with a lot of dynamic players in the last few years at his expense. He is here to stay this time.
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What dynamic players ?

Only ones I can think of are u akmal, Maqsood and nasir


2 of them worked



In the past we have been selecting poor man misbah clones, TTFs and domestic falilures, that was the problem
 
Well my point is that it's possible to have a batsmen who can rotate the strike and also have more than one string to his bow. :dav

But for now, Fawad is an absolute must in place of Misbah. There is no argument for the latter's inclusion anymore.

I still haven't given up on Jamshed and he might have a future at number 3.
 
Mamoon said:
Well my point is that it's possible to have a batsmen who can rotate the strike and also have more than one string to his bow. :dav

But for now, Fawad is an absolute must in place of Misbah. There is no argument for the latter's inclusion anymore.

I still haven't given up on Jamshed and he might have a future at number 3.
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There are few things to commend about Fawad:

He takes very little risk to make runs, that's why can handle pressure well.

He can nuch any where (360) to take singles, remind me of Miandad, who also had awaked technique...

He is also focused on rotating strike unlike Misbah who at times is just blocking it out and then slogging big in end.

Unlike what many people think, he has shorts on all sides of wicket... Yesterday in last overs, he shuffled less in Malinga's last overs and hit him over cover, he also played very delicate cut to Herat for four( how lately he was watching that sweep), both of them smart with very little risk.

He accelerates well in the end, he went from 60 to 100 SR at the end, this is in all three innings...

His running between the wickets is way better than Pakistanis, he is on par with SA and AUS...

All he need to do is fix his Helmet ;-)

BTW: he plays well in T20, MOM in T20 final and not his 55+ FC avg in more than 70+ matches warranted his returned...



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yasir said:
All he need to do is fix his Helmet ;-)
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I am surprised why none of coaches have picked this point already.

BTW: he plays well in T20, MOM in T20 final and not his 55+ FC avg in more than 70+ matches warranted his returned...
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He is not a T20 player. He should only be playing tests and ODIs
 
yasir said:
There are few things to commend about Fawad:

He takes very little risk to make runs, that's why can handle pressure well.

He can nuch any where (360) to take singles, remind me of Miandad, who also had awaked technique...

He is also focused on rotating strike unlike Misbah who at times is just blocking it out and then slogging big in end.

Unlike what many people think, he has shorts on all sides of wicket... Yesterday in last overs, he shuffled less in Malinga's last overs and hit him over cover, he also played very delicate cut to Herat for four( how lately he was watching that sweep), both of them smart with very little risk.

He accelerates well in the end, he went from 60 to 100 SR at the end, this is in all three innings...

His running between the wickets is way better than Pakistanis, he is on par with SA and AUS...

All he need to do is fix his Helmet ;-)

BTW: he plays well in T20, MOM in T20 final and not his 55+ FC avg in more than 70+ matches warranted his returned...



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His inside out drive against Malinga was world class. The paddle against Herath for 4 was sublime. Strike rotation and he runs hard.

How can this guy have been ignored for so long. He should have been in the team 4 years ago.
 
Yeah, Fawad has a deft touch and works the bowlers around very well but still he doesn't have a plan B. As soon as tries to carry the attack to the bowlers, he loses his wicket. Doesn't have enough conviction in his shots.

As far as his helmet is concerned, its too big for his head. :fadi
 
Mamoon said:
Yeah, Fawad has a deft touch and works the bowlers around very well but still he doesn't have a plan B. As soon as tries to carry the attack to the bowlers, he loses his wicket. Doesn't have enough conviction in his shots.

As far as his helmet is concerned, its too big for his head. :fadi
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He doesn't need to attack, just needs to anchor the innings and make partnerships which he thrives off of.
 
Mamoon said:
Yeah, Fawad has a deft touch and works the bowlers around very well but still he doesn't have a plan B. As soon as tries to carry the attack to the bowlers, he loses his wicket. Doesn't have enough conviction in his shots.

As far as his helmet is concerned, its too big for his head. :fadi
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Who cares as long as his SR is 80+ and averages 40+ which he clearly is capable of achieving.

Afridi is plan B, C, D, E...Z
 
Yes, :fadi should make the number 4 position his own.

Kick Misbah out.
 
That is ok for him not to be a power hitter, without being one, he can still plan and accelerate very well..

PCB can afford one custom made helmet!!


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SR is great, but you need a few lusty blows at the death as well.
 
Fawad is yet to bat against swing or genuine pace. Will the artist fail to deliver or surprise the likes of Mamoon?
 
Fastandfurious said:
Fawad is yet to bat against swing or genuine pace. Will the artist fail to deliver or surprise the likes of Mamoon?
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its all about building the innings. You hardly see teams blown away by swing and pace these days in ODIs, because there are only a handful of bowlers who can do it and good players prefer to survive that bowler and score off the others. I'm confident he can do the latter if he can achieve the former. :najam
 
Well if he fails in Australia, England and South Africa, so what? Which current Pakistani batsman would succeed there?

As long as he continues to anchor the innings without becoming a Mohaliar, we've no reason to complain. :najam
 
I think Harris Sohail has capability to be good on green top. He has better technique and patients than the one in test 11. Both Fawad and Harris are must in test!!

Atleast these two are not going to gift wickets to Herat!!
 
Mamoon said:
Well if he fails in Australia, England and South Africa, so what? Which current Pakistani batsman would succeed there?

As long as he continues to anchor the innings without becoming a Mohaliar, we've no reason to complain. :najam
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That is right. Btw he did better than Yousuf and other celebrated players last time he was in England and Australia. I remember in year 2010, he was 3rd best Pakistani batsman after Afridi and Umar Akmal, both by average and strike rate. That says a lot about our team back then but also amuses me how he was dropped while others retained. Oh Well, that is a thing of past now !
 
farazaidi said:
That is right. Btw he did better than Yousuf and other celebrated players last time he was in England and Australia. I remember in year 2010, he was 3rd best Pakistani batsman after Afridi and Umar Akmal, both by average and strike rate. That says a lot about our team back then but also amuses me how he was dropped while others retained. Oh Well, that is a thing of past now !
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Lol a lot of ex-haters jumping on the Alam bandwagon. The knives are back in the drawer .... for now...
 
Fastandfurious said:
Fawad is yet to bat against swing or genuine pace. Will the artist fail to deliver or surprise the likes of Mamoon?
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You forgot the odi series against england in england where he scored 39, 20*,64,29 and 1 with an avg of 39 ? the bowlers were anderson,broad,bresnan,swann.Also against Australia in australia he has made 117 runs in 3 matches with an avg 0f 39 .His scores in that tour were 21,33 and 64 against bowlers like watson,bollinger,Harris,Mckay , MItchell Johnson.
 
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farazaidi said:
That is right. Btw he did better than Yousuf and other celebrated players last time he was in England and Australia. I remember in year 2010, he was 3rd best Pakistani batsman after Afridi and Umar Akmal, both by average and strike rate. That says a lot about our team back then but also amuses me how he was dropped while others retained. Oh Well, that is a thing of past now !
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I was talking about Tests though.
 
Mamoon said:
Well if he fails in Australia, England and South Africa, so what? Which current Pakistani batsman would succeed there?

As long as he continues to anchor the innings without becoming a Mohaliar, we've no reason to complain. :najam
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good post . i am proud of u. :afridi
 
saadsahabjee said:
You forgot the odi series against england in england where he scored 39, 20*,64,29 and 1 with an avg of 39 ? the bowlers were anderson,broad,bresnan,swann.
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He only struggled against Swann who has a very good record against lefties.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Lol a lot of ex-haters jumping on the Alam bandwagon. The knives are back in the drawer .... for now...
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Not a hater of any player. I had doubts over his suitability in ODIs especially with Misbah in the team but he has shown great determination and has schooled Misbah on how to anchor an innings in ODI. :najam
 
^It's his good luck that Pak won the game otherwise you would have been endlessly criticizing his run a ball S/R and his apparent inability to finish games. Not sure about Misbah but sure schooled you in how to judge a good player!
 
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farazaidi said:
its all about building the innings. You hardly see teams blown away by swing and pace these days in ODIs, because there are only a handful of bowlers who can do it and good players prefer to survive that bowler and score off the others. I'm confident he can do the latter if he can achieve the former. :najam
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great point.. everyone keeps saying he hasn't batted against real pace/swing bowlers, but how often do we really see ODI games where pace/swing/bounce are a factor nowadays.. I can't think of more than 3-4 games a year

Aus/Eng are the only teams with genuine pace bowlers, pretty much everyone else has attacks made of trundlers now
 
I criticized his strike rate in the Asia Cup final because that innings did nothing for the team other than boost his average. yesterday, he made up for his early tuk tuk extremely well and even if he would have lost the match, he wouldn't be blamed for it because he is clearly not a finisher and did his bit.
 
Well now that you understand his abilities as well as limitations, I hope you can cut him some slack when he does not perform with the bat.
 
Mamoon said:
I criticized his strike rate in the Asia Cup final because that innings did nothing for the team other than boost his average. yesterday, he made up for his early tuk tuk extremely well and even if he would have lost the match, he wouldn't be blamed for it because he is clearly not a finisher and did his bit.
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if you sandwich him in between two stroke players his tuk tuk will only be limited to his first 30 odd balls at most IMO

The only time his strike rate will be an issue is if we are batting first and he is playing with another tuk tuk
 
Of course he's a limited player and as long as he plays within himself and does well, there is no reason to complain.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
if you sandwich him in between two stroke players his tuk tuk will only be limited to his first 30 odd balls at most IMO

The only time his strike rate will be an issue is if we are batting first and he is playing with another tuk tuk
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Yes but this is an aspect he can improve on.
 
His poor striking is not just physical but also a technical problem. I don't think he can truly work on it at this stage and this might be destructive for him.

He should continue to play within his limitations and look to maximize them.
 
Mamoon said:
His poor striking is not just physical but also a technical problem. I don't think he can truly work on it at this stage and this might be destructive for him.

He should continue to play within his limitations and look to maximize them.
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That might be a blessing in disguise for him as he won't turn another hack with the bat and instead works hard for his runs but he should not be batting lower down the order. Misbah should for once bat a youngster where he belong and not kill his career like that.
 
4 is the best position for him. Hate that he was ignored for so long, but he hadn't missed a beat. He's a natural strike rotator, and since he's so nimble on his feet he forces doubles and puts pressure on the other team. He brings more to the table than misbah does. And the way he complimented sohaib in that inning was awesome. He recognized his role and made sure sohaib got decent strike and he himself hit a few towards the end. Not every player is gonna be an all around player. You pick and choose, and since we don't really have a strike rotator in the team, fawad's rise is a blessing however you look.
 
Alam's next big step will be to produce same form in UAE.

Dropping Azhar Ali and Shafiq will be a watershed moment in Pak cricket with Alam and Umar Akmal ushering in a new era beginning to look ahead when Misbah will retire, its not far away, World Cup is now only 6 months away.
 
Hes performed in sub continent.

Did well in Australia

Did well in England

Did well vs SA bowlers

Really superb to see.
 
His focus should now be in getting solid scores in the next 2 games. This will really cement his spot in the ODI team and it will be hard for the selectors to ignore him for tests.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
true but id rather he improves his striking first


something grant flower can look into
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Yes he needs to work on his power game now. Or maybe he can practice playing behind the wicket paddle sweeps that could earn him some runs.

He played well today but he cannot bat with such a low S/R in ODIs. He also needs to learn how to bat with the tail.
 
Superb Batsman. The SL series just showed how good he is and why he's required in tests. Has patience when needed and also can strike at 100 when accelerating rather than 70 :misbah
 
Alam setting new trends.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p>Every spinner should bowl looking like this. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvAus?src=hash">#PakvAus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FawadAlam?src=hash">#FawadAlam</a> <a href="http://t.co/nSWLx0gneU">pic.twitter.com/nSWLx0gneU</a></p>— asub05 (@asub05) <a href="https://twitter.com/asub05/status/519470994067435521">October 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Australian quick bowlers will be a big challenge for him lets see how he plays against them. Best of luck he will definitely bat today as we are chasing 250+.
 
Welcome back, there's more to cricket than Sri Lankan pies. :hafeez2

Ugliest innings I've seen this year.
 
Expect to see this for the next two one dayers.
He is lucky the pacers were off, or they would have rearranged his head gear.
 
horrible innings, but he has delivered against this position in the past and i expect him to do it again

cant compare with a player who hasn't played a meaningful odi innings for a couple of years
 
Guys as we all know the Sri Lankan and the Australian attack are of the same quality. So if fawad does not do well in a few Odis here it does not matter because he scored all those runs against the ferocious Lankan attack
 
Pete Rose said:
Guys as we all know the Sri Lankan and the Australian attack are of the same quality. So if fawad does not do well in a few Odis here it does not matter because he scored all those runs against the ferocious Lankan attack
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I rather have someone who did score runs at a given occasion than a stylish and perfect technique one who never scores :))
 
Oh come on people. one failure, stop bumping this. I swear this will be like junaid khan. he fails junaid is crap thread got bumped and if he did well junaid is atg thread got bumped.

Cut the guy some slack atleast he scores runs..
 
Man fawad played that innings today that I had predicted he would but he proved me wrong all this time.
What a time to flop. A performance here against Australia would've made him the best in this lineup.
Considering he had umar akmal at the other end who is the ideal partner. I think he should've stayed on despite his strike rate. He seemed bogged down.
 
so Fawad is expected to score in every game, first failure after a run of 5 games which had 74, 114*, 62, 30, 38*. Can only laugh at the collective genius of this forum.

He has had trouble with that angle against off spinner and he did struggled today but he is too good a batsman to shy away from challenge. I hope he works well on this particular weakness of his.
 
This will be a fun thread for this series. Load up on chocolate and ice cream, plenty of heartache up ahead.
 
I am seriously thinking many sit infront of the tv hoping that the player they hate would fail irrespective of the result and then come here and start bumping and posting. Not even ATGs were scoring consistently.

He deserves his run and deserves his place. him and umar are the last people i would drop here.
 
Loved the way he wore his cap backwards while bowling. Looked so gangstaa.......

Unfortunately his batting is anything but gangstaa.
 
You can't expect him to score every single game, cut him some slack. To be honest, he dug himself into a hole by blocking 2 overs straight, and when he tried getting out of jail, he cut it straight to the fielder.
 
Do people expect him to get a 50+ every match? One failure and people want him dropped.

No wonder you guys don't have proper batsman, even your fans want people dropped after 1 failure, how are batsman going to get settled and prosper?
 
saiyan0312 said:
I am seriously thinking many sit infront of the tv hoping that the player they hate would fail irrespective of the result and then come here and start bumping and posting. Not even ATGs were scoring consistently.

He deserves his run and deserves his place. him and umar are the last people i would drop here.
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Too many here want a sexy 15 instead of an ugly 50
 
His not a finisher what is wrong with everyone, he supposed be batting at 3 or 4!!!!!
 
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