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Fawad Alam - Support Thread

He played a similar innings against England in a T20 in 2010, the first T20 and he looked clueless.
That was four years ago, one would expect him to work on that weakness :13:
He is the same player he was four years ago. Today proved it :13:

9.1
Yardy to Fawad Alam, no run, speared in, this one doesn't turn but Alam isn't yet looking settled at the crease and doesn't really know where to hit this
9.2
Yardy to Fawad Alam, 2 runs, slapped out to deep cover point for a couple
9.3
Yardy to Fawad Alam, no run, full on middle stump, nothing to be done with it though, another dot ball
9.4
Yardy to Fawad Alam, 2 runs, much quicker through the air! But Yardy's also pulled this down a bit too short, and Alam slashes it away behind square on the off side for two more
9.5
Yardy to Fawad Alam, no run, appeal for lbw as Alam bends into an optimistic slog sweep and is struck on the body! Replays suggest it would have hit the top of middle, but struck him perhaps just outside off
9.6
Yardy to Fawad Alam, 1 run, chopped away for on

10.1
Swann to Fawad Alam, no run, big spin again, looped up before ripping past the outside edge
10.2
Swann to Fawad Alam, no run, edged, Alam closes the face and it skews off the outside edge to short third man
10.3
Swann to Fawad Alam, 1 run, Alam has had an almighty fling at this and has lost his bat in the process. Really throwing the bat against it as it slides out of his hands
10.4
Swann to Umar Akmal, 1 run, the time the sweep is completed with the bat still firmly in hands and a single is taken to deep backwards square
10.5
Swann to Fawad Alam, no run, Alam getting very twitchy here, he pokes another to point and is desperate to get off strike but can't
10.6
Swann to Fawad Alam, no run, swing and a miss! Alam is clueless poor fellow, huge mow from outside off stump but the ball bounces and spins well past the bat

11.5
Collingwood to Fawad Alam, 2 runs, dilscoop, in a way, not a great way, Alam down on one knee and trying to flap it over his head, doesn't connect very well but picks up a couple
11.6
Collingwood to Fawad Alam, 1 run, cripes, Alam has not got close to timing a single shot this innings, this ends up being bunted down the ground off the toe end to keep the strike

14.2
Sidebottom to Fawad Alam, no run, good slower ball this time, he's a canny operator, big swish from Alam but he never looked like connecting
14.3
Sidebottom to Fawad Alam, no run, excellent stuff from Sidebottom, not so good from Alam, so bad in fact that Razzak has his head in his hands in the dug out
14.4
Sidebottom to Fawad Alam, no run, this won't make Razzak any happier, poor old Alam has absolutely lost it, he ran down the wicket with his head in the clouds and tried to smash this miles, but missed by further
14.5
Sidebottom to Fawad Alam, 2 runs, finally he connects, swinging a pull shot away, he looks surprised to find the bat on the ball
14.6
Sidebottom to Fawad Alam, 1 run, another short ball, slower too, Alam has to fetch it from high outside off stump and manages to get a single for the effort. Excellent over from Sidebottom
15.1
Yardy to Fawad Alam, OUT, finally the torture is over, it's been a truly awful innings and England may be disappointed to see him go, shortish ball that he ends up chipping back off the leading edge to gift Yardy a wicket. Big roar from the crowd it's BoomBoom time!
Fawad Alam c & b Yardy 20 (29m 29b 0x4 0x6) SR: 68.96
 
thats the thing that was a T20 match, he needs to be put in the test team ONLY!!

The point was he looked clueless in an international arena four years ago against Spin and Seam bowling and looked all at sea tonight as well.

He hasn't changed in four years at all.

And yes he should be in the test squad, no doubt.
 
No, meant 115* (113)



2014 Most ODIs runs for Pakistan:
Ahmed Shehzad 434 Ave 39.45,
Fawad Alam 345 Ave 69.00
Umar Akmal 327 Ave 40.87

Aur kuch?

how many of them are against SL? you must have missed his batting in the last series.
 
Scored 201 ( 227 ), 23 4s , 1 6s. He is Bradman of our domestic cricket.
 
Typical thinking of our people that he is clueless and should be dropped and is a domestic performer. if thats the case , throw misbah out, Hafeez ko pichlay sal SA tour k bad cricket chor dena chahyee tha . Azhar Ali should also be dropped cuz he is also looking useless .
 
he might be able to score good against inferior attacks like the Sri Lankan or Bangladesh but a liability against a good bowling attacks of Aus,SA..

What is Saeed Anwar's away average against the two teams or Inzi's away average vs Aus and SA?
 
he might be able to score good against inferior attacks like the Sri Lankan or Bangladesh but a liability against a good bowling attacks of Aus,SA..

And our batsmen can rarely score anywhere so that's actually a plus.
 
What is Saeed Anwar's away average against the two teams or Inzi's away average vs Aus and SA?

Pakistan hasn't played its home cricket for 7 years so I don't get this comparison. UAE is kind of our home now isn't it?I think all those players you mentioned did well against those teams in the UAE. Also those bowling attacks had some ATGs playing.
 
Pakistan hasn't played its home cricket for 7 years so I don't get this comparison. UAE is kind of our home now isn't it?I think all those players you mentioned did well against those teams in the UAE. Also those bowling attacks had some ATGs playing.

Fawad has made all those runs in Pakistan and the Dubai pitch is much more spin and pacer friendly than most pitches (except a few like NSK) so it is kind of away esp. for the players.

And Australia's bowling attack is pretty good even if injury prone so there is no shame in failing against them :kohli Pakistan's abysmal tour of 2002 against Australia where we bundled out for 50s in both innings is still fresh in my mind so I wouldn't worry about Fawad esp. when none of the others could do much (Shafiq doesn't count as even Fawad would score runs higher up the order)
 
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Scores a double ton in domestic.

What does it indicate? Failure of our domestic system or great potential of Fawad? :srt
 
Just read: Sohail Tanvir 163 at a 100+ SR and a 5 wicket haul.

Should help people in answering the question above.
 
that's not long term thinking though.

It's realistic thinking. Why don't people understand, we do not have good batsmen who are technically sound. We have an ugly one who scores runs and has weaknesses, but at least he scores runs, then we have pretty ones who don't score runs and whom we keep thinking will surpass the one who will.

"Fawad Alam cannot score in Australia" average of 39 with a 63 in a match. People will laud Shafiq for his 50, well a few years ago, a not even as good as he is now Fawad scored a 50 in Australia.

"Fawad Alam cannot score outside Asia and against non-trundlers" averages 38.5 so far. Small sample size or not he has 50s in England and Australia when he was a worse player than he is now.

If anything, Fawad looks like he plays better outside of UAE and Asian conditions.

"Fawad cannot hit with a high SR with high scores" 2 of his 50s are in SR's of 100 or more, is 60 against Australia was with an SR of 90, 59 against SA with 89 SR, and his century against SL with a SR of 85 (which again for Pakistan standards is good).

"Fawad Alam doesn't win matches" 4 of his 7 50+ are in wins.

Look guys, two doubles is equal to one boundary. He doesn't have the fire power of some, but what does that matter when he can do what they do at the same SR? If you have a player who say scores 10 RPO in the last 5 overs, but had an SR of 60 prior to that, his SR would get somewhere in the 80s. If Fawad gets continuously 5-6 RPO with his ticky tac method, then that makes both negligble. If you go at 3-4 RPO and someone else goes at 5-6 RPO, then that person is just consistent, whereas the other can turn it on, but wastes a lot of deliveries in the middle. I don't know why you can't try to work with both when one has been effective and the other has been inconsistent. Fawad isn't a #6 to come in and smack anyone around, he is a 3-4 to come in and pace an innings and keep partnerships going and the score ticking. It is what he did with Maqsood, Umar, and hell against SL in the Asia Cup final, he was the guy who put it on his own shoulders after Misbah disappeared. Fawad can get you two doubles in most overs in most matches. He had a bad series, and by no means is a star, but is still more useful than guys who average 25 in cricket. Fawad has 6 50s and a century in 35 matches, Shafiq has 9 50s in 49 matches.

One clearly produces more than the other. The other might be more talented, but talent means nothing without production.

There is not one argument someone can make to me that says Shafiq is the better investment for Pakistan. Do I think I would drop Shafiq? No. I think he merits selection given we don't have anyone better and he averages something like 35 at 3 where he does pretty well. He showed some promise and needs to keep it going, but the body of work shows Fawad is a better ODI player, there is nothing anything can say other than watch the match, and how ugly he looks, or look at these 3 matches, of which Shafiq didn't blow anyone out of the water either and only scored a 50 which people are lauding him for.

The thing that gets me the most is hypocrisy. "Man oh man Shehzad is so selfish and plays too slow", agreed, but then you cannot in turn say "that 50 by Shafiq was class". That was a 50 with an SR of 68.49. Before one argues that Shafiq is a 3 and Shehzad is an opener. Well, in Pakistan, we lose a wicket in the first 3 overs almost every match, so that #3 is pretty much an opener himself. They both in 50+ scores have an SR which is right around 80, and in Shehzad's case, overall his SR is quite a bit better than Shafiq.

I don't understand when people criticize a player for something, and then when it comes to another player whom they deem is "class" they totally ignore it. Whether it be SR, average, ability to hit the boundary, ability to rotate the strike. In the case of one, we will ignore that he cannot rotate the strike because he plays with a straight bat, not moving from the crease, and that will magically make him able to do so. No, it won't, especially when examining the body of work. One player cannot hit a boundary, but can rotate the strike, he is trash, needs to be dropped, the other cannot take a single for their life, but can hit a boundary, the one who actually rotates the strike has a better SR, yet somehow the boundary hitting ability makes the other one better because they can hit at the death. Asinine logic. If one doesn't waste so many balls in the middle, then it doesn't make it that one has to explode at the end to make a have decent score. Going at 5-6 by taking singles and doubles is better than going at 3-4.5 simply to pray one can have an unreal unslaught, just to get to that exact same 5-6 without having to go for broke.

Just the hypocrisy gets me. We don't have stars in our batting line up, and we won't for a while. We have a couple of decent prospects, but until they play internationally on a consistent basis and we see what they can actually provide, they are just that, prospects. In Pakistan, we always talk about the future and these great talents waiting in the wings, and then when they come to the international level, we're already on about the next lot because this lot was never that great to begin with. It's a cycle, and the same people uplifting those same players before they get to the international level, bury them in the ground and continue going back to the pool at home saying those next lot are going to be way better than this one.

Let's stop putting the cart before the horse.

We need to understand we don't have "classy" batsmen, we have to work with these batsmen, which have plenty of flaws, but with these flaws, just produce and have the ability to score runs. I think Shafiq should get a good run now at 3, and hopefully as a Pakistani I hope he comes good, as I believe he has the talent to do so, but my money would be on his failure, simply because again, the body of work speaks for itself.

Call XYZ ugly, pretty, awful, whatever you will, cricket has been, and will always be, about the guy who can put runs on the board, and our ugly ducklings seem to be able to do it, and the class that people keep referring to, let down time and time again.
 
even if he scores 500 in an innings in this tournament it wont be a big deal
 
Lols at people calling domestic cricket a failure every time Fawad scores big. I know our domestic set up sucks but why bring that up only when Fawad scores.

Even if our domestic cricket is a failure, Fawad is only one of few who scores big consistently and when you have s guy like Azhar Ali in the Test squad I fail to see why Fawad can not be there? Fawad was dropped unfairly in the first place and the longest format is the format he is suited best to.

Pakistan can have two very good lefthanders in the middle order, don't know when the selectors will realize that.
 
he might be able to score good against inferior attacks like the Sri Lankan or Bangladesh but a liability against a good bowling attacks of Aus,SA..

As I mentioned the other day you really have a problem with Karachi players, you keep defending punjabi players blindly and keep hating Karachi players. This is so easy to understand from your posts. Of course you will critisize one punjabi player here and there but that wont change the overall impression.
I am a punjabi/kashmiri myself, but a pakistani first and foremost and you should also be that.
 
As I mentioned the other day you really have a problem with Karachi players, you keep defending punjabi players blindly and keep hating Karachi players. This is so easy to understand from your posts. Of course you will critisize one punjabi player here and there but that wont change the overall impression.
I am a punjabi/kashmiri myself, but a pakistani first and foremost and you should also be that.

Misbah ul Haq is from Punjab.
Imran Farhat is from Punjab.
Sohail Tanvir is from Punjab.
Azhar Ali is from Punjab.

I've number of posts disliking their performance and challenging their place in the team. I don't judge players because they are from Punjab or Karachi. I judge them as any other unbiased fan would based on their true potential and performance. and because I think there are better players sitting out. It's my opinion. Not hate. You can disagree but you should not label me with this biased criticism. Fawad Alam has some serious flaws in his batting. I'm not the only one. Even some Indians on this board say the same stuff about his technique and potential..Does that mean they hate all players from Karachi?


I've been a long supporter of Asad Shafiq until I gave up after his inconsistency like YK. In fact I had created a video featuring him as one of three future shinning stars of Pakistan 2 years ago.
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It's realistic thinking. Why don't people understand, we do not have good batsmen who are technically sound. We have an ugly one who scores runs and has weaknesses, but at least he scores runs, then we have pretty ones who don't score runs and whom we keep thinking will surpass the one who will.

"Fawad Alam cannot score in Australia" average of 39 with a 63 in a match. People will laud Shafiq for his 50, well a few years ago, a not even as good as he is now Fawad scored a 50 in Australia.

"Fawad Alam cannot score outside Asia and against non-trundlers" averages 38.5 so far. Small sample size or not he has 50s in England and Australia when he was a worse player than he is now.

If anything, Fawad looks like he plays better outside of UAE and Asian conditions.

"Fawad cannot hit with a high SR with high scores" 2 of his 50s are in SR's of 100 or more, is 60 against Australia was with an SR of 90, 59 against SA with 89 SR, and his century against SL with a SR of 85 (which again for Pakistan standards is good).

"Fawad Alam doesn't win matches" 4 of his 7 50+ are in wins.

Look guys, two doubles is equal to one boundary. He doesn't have the fire power of some, but what does that matter when he can do what they do at the same SR? If you have a player who say scores 10 RPO in the last 5 overs, but had an SR of 60 prior to that, his SR would get somewhere in the 80s. If Fawad gets continuously 5-6 RPO with his ticky tac method, then that makes both negligble. If you go at 3-4 RPO and someone else goes at 5-6 RPO, then that person is just consistent, whereas the other can turn it on, but wastes a lot of deliveries in the middle. I don't know why you can't try to work with both when one has been effective and the other has been inconsistent. Fawad isn't a #6 to come in and smack anyone around, he is a 3-4 to come in and pace an innings and keep partnerships going and the score ticking. It is what he did with Maqsood, Umar, and hell against SL in the Asia Cup final, he was the guy who put it on his own shoulders after Misbah disappeared. Fawad can get you two doubles in most overs in most matches. He had a bad series, and by no means is a star, but is still more useful than guys who average 25 in cricket. Fawad has 6 50s and a century in 35 matches, Shafiq has 9 50s in 49 matches.

One clearly produces more than the other. The other might be more talented, but talent means nothing without production.

There is not one argument someone can make to me that says Shafiq is the better investment for Pakistan. Do I think I would drop Shafiq? No. I think he merits selection given we don't have anyone better and he averages something like 35 at 3 where he does pretty well. He showed some promise and needs to keep it going, but the body of work shows Fawad is a better ODI player, there is nothing anything can say other than watch the match, and how ugly he looks, or look at these 3 matches, of which Shafiq didn't blow anyone out of the water either and only scored a 50 which people are lauding him for.

The thing that gets me the most is hypocrisy. "Man oh man Shehzad is so selfish and plays too slow", agreed, but then you cannot in turn say "that 50 by Shafiq was class". That was a 50 with an SR of 68.49. Before one argues that Shafiq is a 3 and Shehzad is an opener. Well, in Pakistan, we lose a wicket in the first 3 overs almost every match, so that #3 is pretty much an opener himself. They both in 50+ scores have an SR which is right around 80, and in Shehzad's case, overall his SR is quite a bit better than Shafiq.

I don't understand when people criticize a player for something, and then when it comes to another player whom they deem is "class" they totally ignore it. Whether it be SR, average, ability to hit the boundary, ability to rotate the strike. In the case of one, we will ignore that he cannot rotate the strike because he plays with a straight bat, not moving from the crease, and that will magically make him able to do so. No, it won't, especially when examining the body of work. One player cannot hit a boundary, but can rotate the strike, he is trash, needs to be dropped, the other cannot take a single for their life, but can hit a boundary, the one who actually rotates the strike has a better SR, yet somehow the boundary hitting ability makes the other one better because they can hit at the death. Asinine logic. If one doesn't waste so many balls in the middle, then it doesn't make it that one has to explode at the end to make a have decent score. Going at 5-6 by taking singles and doubles is better than going at 3-4.5 simply to pray one can have an unreal unslaught, just to get to that exact same 5-6 without having to go for broke.

Just the hypocrisy gets me. We don't have stars in our batting line up, and we won't for a while. We have a couple of decent prospects, but until they play internationally on a consistent basis and we see what they can actually provide, they are just that, prospects. In Pakistan, we always talk about the future and these great talents waiting in the wings, and then when they come to the international level, we're already on about the next lot because this lot was never that great to begin with. It's a cycle, and the same people uplifting those same players before they get to the international level, bury them in the ground and continue going back to the pool at home saying those next lot are going to be way better than this one.

Let's stop putting the cart before the horse.

We need to understand we don't have "classy" batsmen, we have to work with these batsmen, which have plenty of flaws, but with these flaws, just produce and have the ability to score runs. I think Shafiq should get a good run now at 3, and hopefully as a Pakistani I hope he comes good, as I believe he has the talent to do so, but my money would be on his failure, simply because again, the body of work speaks for itself.

Call XYZ ugly, pretty, awful, whatever you will, cricket has been, and will always be, about the guy who can put runs on the board, and our ugly ducklings seem to be able to do it, and the class that people keep referring to, let down time and time again.

i was about to launch into a huge defence of why fawad needs to be in the test team....then i read your post. potw material here folks. nail.on.head.
 
It's realistic thinking. Why don't people understand, we do not have good batsmen who are technically sound. We have an ugly one who scores runs and has weaknesses, but at least he scores runs, then we have pretty ones who don't score runs and whom we keep thinking will surpass the one who will.

"Fawad Alam cannot score in Australia" average of 39 with a 63 in a match. People will laud Shafiq for his 50, well a few years ago, a not even as good as he is now Fawad scored a 50 in Australia.

"Fawad Alam cannot score outside Asia and against non-trundlers" averages 38.5 so far. Small sample size or not he has 50s in England and Australia when he was a worse player than he is now.

If anything, Fawad looks like he plays better outside of UAE and Asian conditions.

"Fawad cannot hit with a high SR with high scores" 2 of his 50s are in SR's of 100 or more, is 60 against Australia was with an SR of 90, 59 against SA with 89 SR, and his century against SL with a SR of 85 (which again for Pakistan standards is good).

"Fawad Alam doesn't win matches" 4 of his 7 50+ are in wins.

Look guys, two doubles is equal to one boundary. He doesn't have the fire power of some, but what does that matter when he can do what they do at the same SR? If you have a player who say scores 10 RPO in the last 5 overs, but had an SR of 60 prior to that, his SR would get somewhere in the 80s. If Fawad gets continuously 5-6 RPO with his ticky tac method, then that makes both negligble. If you go at 3-4 RPO and someone else goes at 5-6 RPO, then that person is just consistent, whereas the other can turn it on, but wastes a lot of deliveries in the middle. I don't know why you can't try to work with both when one has been effective and the other has been inconsistent. Fawad isn't a #6 to come in and smack anyone around, he is a 3-4 to come in and pace an innings and keep partnerships going and the score ticking. It is what he did with Maqsood, Umar, and hell against SL in the Asia Cup final, he was the guy who put it on his own shoulders after Misbah disappeared. Fawad can get you two doubles in most overs in most matches. He had a bad series, and by no means is a star, but is still more useful than guys who average 25 in cricket. Fawad has 6 50s and a century in 35 matches, Shafiq has 9 50s in 49 matches.

One clearly produces more than the other. The other might be more talented, but talent means nothing without production.

There is not one argument someone can make to me that says Shafiq is the better investment for Pakistan. Do I think I would drop Shafiq? No. I think he merits selection given we don't have anyone better and he averages something like 35 at 3 where he does pretty well. He showed some promise and needs to keep it going, but the body of work shows Fawad is a better ODI player, there is nothing anything can say other than watch the match, and how ugly he looks, or look at these 3 matches, of which Shafiq didn't blow anyone out of the water either and only scored a 50 which people are lauding him for.

The thing that gets me the most is hypocrisy. "Man oh man Shehzad is so selfish and plays too slow", agreed, but then you cannot in turn say "that 50 by Shafiq was class". That was a 50 with an SR of 68.49. Before one argues that Shafiq is a 3 and Shehzad is an opener. Well, in Pakistan, we lose a wicket in the first 3 overs almost every match, so that #3 is pretty much an opener himself. They both in 50+ scores have an SR which is right around 80, and in Shehzad's case, overall his SR is quite a bit better than Shafiq.

I don't understand when people criticize a player for something, and then when it comes to another player whom they deem is "class" they totally ignore it. Whether it be SR, average, ability to hit the boundary, ability to rotate the strike. In the case of one, we will ignore that he cannot rotate the strike because he plays with a straight bat, not moving from the crease, and that will magically make him able to do so. No, it won't, especially when examining the body of work. One player cannot hit a boundary, but can rotate the strike, he is trash, needs to be dropped, the other cannot take a single for their life, but can hit a boundary, the one who actually rotates the strike has a better SR, yet somehow the boundary hitting ability makes the other one better because they can hit at the death. Asinine logic. If one doesn't waste so many balls in the middle, then it doesn't make it that one has to explode at the end to make a have decent score. Going at 5-6 by taking singles and doubles is better than going at 3-4.5 simply to pray one can have an unreal unslaught, just to get to that exact same 5-6 without having to go for broke.

Just the hypocrisy gets me. We don't have stars in our batting line up, and we won't for a while. We have a couple of decent prospects, but until they play internationally on a consistent basis and we see what they can actually provide, they are just that, prospects. In Pakistan, we always talk about the future and these great talents waiting in the wings, and then when they come to the international level, we're already on about the next lot because this lot was never that great to begin with. It's a cycle, and the same people uplifting those same players before they get to the international level, bury them in the ground and continue going back to the pool at home saying those next lot are going to be way better than this one.

Let's stop putting the cart before the horse.

We need to understand we don't have "classy" batsmen, we have to work with these batsmen, which have plenty of flaws, but with these flaws, just produce and have the ability to score runs. I think Shafiq should get a good run now at 3, and hopefully as a Pakistani I hope he comes good, as I believe he has the talent to do so, but my money would be on his failure, simply because again, the body of work speaks for itself.

Call XYZ ugly, pretty, awful, whatever you will, cricket has been, and will always be, about the guy who can put runs on the board, and our ugly ducklings seem to be able to do it, and the class that people keep referring to, let down time and time again.

This is one of the most unbiased and objective cricketing post I've read in a long time. Nice to see such a well written post that goes against the grain of fan boy culture that is sadly prevalent on PP - If this isn't POTW then I don't know what is.
 
It's realistic thinking. Why don't people understand, we do not have good batsmen who are technically sound. We have an ugly one who scores runs and has weaknesses, but at least he scores runs, then we have pretty ones who don't score runs and whom we keep thinking will surpass the one who will.

"Fawad Alam cannot score in Australia" average of 39 with a 63 in a match. People will laud Shafiq for his 50, well a few years ago, a not even as good as he is now Fawad scored a 50 in Australia.

"Fawad Alam cannot score outside Asia and against non-trundlers" averages 38.5 so far. Small sample size or not he has 50s in England and Australia when he was a worse player than he is now.

If anything, Fawad looks like he plays better outside of UAE and Asian conditions.

"Fawad cannot hit with a high SR with high scores" 2 of his 50s are in SR's of 100 or more, is 60 against Australia was with an SR of 90, 59 against SA with 89 SR, and his century against SL with a SR of 85 (which again for Pakistan standards is good).

"Fawad Alam doesn't win matches" 4 of his 7 50+ are in wins.

Look guys, two doubles is equal to one boundary. He doesn't have the fire power of some, but what does that matter when he can do what they do at the same SR? If you have a player who say scores 10 RPO in the last 5 overs, but had an SR of 60 prior to that, his SR would get somewhere in the 80s. If Fawad gets continuously 5-6 RPO with his ticky tac method, then that makes both negligble. If you go at 3-4 RPO and someone else goes at 5-6 RPO, then that person is just consistent, whereas the other can turn it on, but wastes a lot of deliveries in the middle. I don't know why you can't try to work with both when one has been effective and the other has been inconsistent. Fawad isn't a #6 to come in and smack anyone around, he is a 3-4 to come in and pace an innings and keep partnerships going and the score ticking. It is what he did with Maqsood, Umar, and hell against SL in the Asia Cup final, he was the guy who put it on his own shoulders after Misbah disappeared. Fawad can get you two doubles in most overs in most matches. He had a bad series, and by no means is a star, but is still more useful than guys who average 25 in cricket. Fawad has 6 50s and a century in 35 matches, Shafiq has 9 50s in 49 matches.

One clearly produces more than the other. The other might be more talented, but talent means nothing without production.

There is not one argument someone can make to me that says Shafiq is the better investment for Pakistan. Do I think I would drop Shafiq? No. I think he merits selection given we don't have anyone better and he averages something like 35 at 3 where he does pretty well. He showed some promise and needs to keep it going, but the body of work shows Fawad is a better ODI player, there is nothing anything can say other than watch the match, and how ugly he looks, or look at these 3 matches, of which Shafiq didn't blow anyone out of the water either and only scored a 50 which people are lauding him for.

The thing that gets me the most is hypocrisy. "Man oh man Shehzad is so selfish and plays too slow", agreed, but then you cannot in turn say "that 50 by Shafiq was class". That was a 50 with an SR of 68.49. Before one argues that Shafiq is a 3 and Shehzad is an opener. Well, in Pakistan, we lose a wicket in the first 3 overs almost every match, so that #3 is pretty much an opener himself. They both in 50+ scores have an SR which is right around 80, and in Shehzad's case, overall his SR is quite a bit better than Shafiq.

I don't understand when people criticize a player for something, and then when it comes to another player whom they deem is "class" they totally ignore it. Whether it be SR, average, ability to hit the boundary, ability to rotate the strike. In the case of one, we will ignore that he cannot rotate the strike because he plays with a straight bat, not moving from the crease, and that will magically make him able to do so. No, it won't, especially when examining the body of work. One player cannot hit a boundary, but can rotate the strike, he is trash, needs to be dropped, the other cannot take a single for their life, but can hit a boundary, the one who actually rotates the strike has a better SR, yet somehow the boundary hitting ability makes the other one better because they can hit at the death. Asinine logic. If one doesn't waste so many balls in the middle, then it doesn't make it that one has to explode at the end to make a have decent score. Going at 5-6 by taking singles and doubles is better than going at 3-4.5 simply to pray one can have an unreal unslaught, just to get to that exact same 5-6 without having to go for broke.

Just the hypocrisy gets me. We don't have stars in our batting line up, and we won't for a while. We have a couple of decent prospects, but until they play internationally on a consistent basis and we see what they can actually provide, they are just that, prospects. In Pakistan, we always talk about the future and these great talents waiting in the wings, and then when they come to the international level, we're already on about the next lot because this lot was never that great to begin with. It's a cycle, and the same people uplifting those same players before they get to the international level, bury them in the ground and continue going back to the pool at home saying those next lot are going to be way better than this one.

Let's stop putting the cart before the horse.

We need to understand we don't have "classy" batsmen, we have to work with these batsmen, which have plenty of flaws, but with these flaws, just produce and have the ability to score runs. I think Shafiq should get a good run now at 3, and hopefully as a Pakistani I hope he comes good, as I believe he has the talent to do so, but my money would be on his failure, simply because again, the body of work speaks for itself.

Call XYZ ugly, pretty, awful, whatever you will, cricket has been, and will always be, about the guy who can put runs on the board, and our ugly ducklings seem to be able to do it, and the class that people keep referring to, let down time and time again.
POTW right here folks.

I only read about half of it.
 
Fawad Alam in the Test Team ?

I mean,is he a suitable candidate ? Does he have the temperament to stick around (he certainly can tuk around) and not lose his wicket to consistent bowling ? I have heard ,on this forum, that he is somewhat difficult to dismiss.It looks true but will it also hold in the Test format ? We all know about his funny stance but whatever works best for you.
 
Why do you think Mamoon has so many POTW awards?

POTW isn't for length. Mamoon is outlandish at times and some of his points a bit baseless, but at the same time, some of what he says is the brutal truth which many refuse to hear.

My first POTW was maybe a paragraph.

Just because you're not always right, doesn't mean you're always wrong, and those who are disagreed with a lot still have things to offer.

I don't make large posts for POTW, I make them to answer detractors and/or things that are pointed out which I find totally incorrect and have no factual basis.

Facts seem to be heresy around here.
 
Ohh please keep him away from the national side. He is not even good enough to defend anything against quality bowling attacks. :ahmed
 
The usual daily Fawad whinging.

Stop crying about him for once.
 
Failed again today.
This guy is not international material. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and I have highlighted his weaknesses like a billion times but pp would still continue to support him in vain :facepalm:
 
But but but
He made runs in Perth all those years ago.
He is playing out of position
Waqar dislikes him
Shafiq is worse
Etc etc.
 
But but but
He made runs in Perth all those years ago.
He is playing out of position
Waqar dislikes him
Shafiq is worse
Etc etc.
you missed the biggest one..


He's from Karachi..:) [MENTION=18398]IAJ[/MENTION]
 
But but but
He made runs in Perth all those years ago.
He is playing out of position
Waqar dislikes him
Shafiq is worse
Etc etc.

Would you play Azhar at 6?

Fawad should not be in the team if he is going to bat anywhere below 4. At the moment Haris is doing OK so there's only one spot in the middle order (Hafeez). Either give it to Fawad or don't pick him. Batting him at 6 is detrimental to him as well as the team. Everyone could see when the squad was picked that barring Maqsood, there's no power hitter. Now after Maqsood's injury, we can all see the result. Even Sarfraz is a 100 times better option than Fawad at 6.
 
No place for him.
He's a top order batsman but with Sami, Haris & Azhar performing and Babar waiting in the wings, there is no place for him in the top order. He is utterly useless lower down the order.
 
Looked amateurish out there. Certainly not a lower order batsman/finisher.
 
Would you play Azhar at 6?

Fawad should not be in the team if he is going to bat anywhere below 4. At the moment Haris is doing OK so there's only one spot in the middle order (Hafeez). Either give it to Fawad or don't pick him. Batting him at 6 is detrimental to him as well as the team. Everyone could see when the squad was picked that barring Maqsood, there's no power hitter. Now after Maqsood's injury, we can all see the result. Even Sarfraz is a 100 times better option than Fawad at 6.

Fawad got to bat early in the innings in the last game but he was clean bowled by a part timer. Needs better excuses.
 
Would you play Azhar at 6?

Fawad should not be in the team if he is going to bat anywhere below 4. At the moment Haris is doing OK so there's only one spot in the middle order (Hafeez). Either give it to Fawad or don't pick him. Batting him at 6 is detrimental to him as well as the team. Everyone could see when the squad was picked that barring Maqsood, there's no power hitter. Now after Maqsood's injury, we can all see the result. Even Sarfraz is a 100 times better option than Fawad at 6.

Pakistan needs to stop planning for mediocrity. A couple of months ago nobody would give Azhar a chance in the odi line up let alone any position considering his conservative batting style. He has reinvented himself and succeeded despite his limitations. But if you have a player with such obvious limitations then he is not persisting with all.
 
Pakistan needs to stop planning for mediocrity. A couple of months ago nobody would give Azhar a chance in the odi line up let alone any position considering his conservative batting style. He has reinvented himself and succeeded despite his limitations. But if you have a player with such obvious limitations then he is not persisting with all.

I'm only in favour of playing him if he bats at 3 or 4. For the next series, if we're going to be picking teams on merit, I'd like to see something along the lines of Sami/Babar, Azhar, Haris, Rizwan, Sarfraz, Maqsood, Hafeez/other all-rounder as the batting line-up. Since we're playing next against Zim and then SL we need to try a few things to get the combination right.
 
Fawad got to bat early in the innings in the last game but he was clean bowled by a part timer. Needs better excuses.

Happens. I'm not advocating a free run for him in the team like we gave Shafiq anyway. But I don't think we should ever play him at this position again. Better off sitting on the bench.
 
That should be it for him in ODIs. Not cut for this format.
 
I was a big fan back in the day and I truly believed that he could've been someone who averaged 43+ across ODIs and Tests but sadly he's gone downhill. Too limited. I reckon we've seen the last of him in ODIs.
 
Happens. I'm not advocating a free run for him in the team like we gave Shafiq anyway. But I don't think we should ever play him at this position again. Better off sitting on the bench.
Shafiq is another top 4 batsman only but we have far better prospects than him to try like Baber Azam and Rizwan Ahmed who can keep too.

We need good no.5 and 6 batsmen who can strike at 80+. At the moment it looks like Maqsood and Umar are best available options.
 
Some truly ugly strokes in this series. Still averages around 40 which his fans will point out as proof that he is being dealt an unfair hand. Terrible player really.
 
I'm sure the voices of injustice will be out there when he gets dropped eventually, citing how X got more games even though he had an inferior average, but I think it's pretty clear why he has never been given a long run because you can't really put your faith in someone like him.

He found himself out of the 2011 World Cup squad because of he cost us 2 ODIs v SA in UAE and found himself out of the 2015 World Cup squad after his wings were clipped by Australia.

Now he has proved to be a passenger in a series in Bangladesh when it was the ideal time for him to cement his place in the team but he blew it away in emphatic fashion.
 
I feel for Fawad, they know he's not a 4's/6's man he's an inning builder 1's 2's rotating the strike, and yet still trying to use him as finisher.....I really don't understand whit the reason or thinking is, if he's playing in ode's then he must be in at 3 max 4. Otherwise just let him play tests
 
Play him at No. 3 in ODIs or give him chance at Tests. You don't get averages like that in domestics if you haven't got anything in you.
 
Problem with both Harris and Fawad is lack of shots. Both of them cannot play pull, cut, or can hardly play sweep. Their slogs shots are not like Misbah (which 80% of the time goes for 6/4). Because of their limitation they cannot play at 5/6 position, they are not power hitter... Power hitter is a specialized skill like opener and middle order batsman, being good middle order does not mean you can play as power hitter.

They cannot play at one down either, if you are one down you got to play pull/cut as your bread and butter, otherwise you will be like Harris always get start, never goes above 50... As a bowler I feel happy to bowl at these two guys, they will never really threaten you, plus bouncer is a sure dot ball ;)

This leaves them to play at 2 down, I am not sure if both of them can play in the ODI team. This would not a compromised two down, like we did with Misbah, but the thing is Harris atleast can score 40/50 every match even when bowling get tough, because his defense is quite strong. He needs to develop pull/cut time is running out... Harris should be given a long run in test...

They both had lot of runs in domestic, if we all have being watching those matches maybe we would have being less excited, as they would have being doing the same thing what they do here. In domestic FC that works, not here!!
 
you missed the biggest one..


He's from Karachi..:) [MENTION=18398]IAJ[/MENTION]

Lols, shararti bachey hou tum.
Btw I am not from Karachhi. Kashmiri/Punjabi here:)
 
doesnt fit into the odi team. Top order spots are taken and he is a dud batting lower

In tests i feel he should be in the squad, but in odis sadly he has no spot
 
Would you play Azhar at 6?

Fawad should not be in the team if he is going to bat anywhere below 4. At the moment Haris is doing OK so there's only one spot in the middle order (Hafeez). Either give it to Fawad or don't pick him. Batting him at 6 is detrimental to him as well as the team. Everyone could see when the squad was picked that barring Maqsood, there's no power hitter. Now after Maqsood's injury, we can all see the result. Even Sarfraz is a 100 times better option than Fawad at 6.

All this position debate is rubbish .....A good batsman is a good batsman at any position . U mean to say he should play in the middle order ..Fine . Tel me if he carries his bat till the 40th over ( infact 35 coz of the PP ) , should he retire then ?? He needs to have a power game as well or some smart , cheeky strokeplay if he has to make use of the slog overs .... Right now he's absolutely clueless & making a mockery of himself as well as the team . Previously , we had hitters like Afridi , Umar & Razzak to play alongside him & his weaknesses were sort of shielded . Now that we dont have any , he has been found out ....
again I'm asking the same question ...should he retire from the crease once we reach 35 ovrs ??
 
Lols, shararti bachey hou tum.
Btw I am not from Karachhi. Kashmiri/Punjabi here:)

haha kisi time ap ko hona parta hai..:P

Nothing against you, but this is opinion of many fans. You are a pretty sensible poster so I was surprised to see this comment as well. I follow Pakistan cricket a lot. I appreciate the talent whether it is from Punjab,Karachi or Peshawar and Balochistan. but when you follow Pakistan's cricket a lot you would know that there are things beyond stats. Pakistan's domestic players shouldn't be only judged based on domestic averages. That's because you have some pitches absolutely roads on other hand you have some pitches top green tracks even Stuarty Binny would pick 5fers on so there is why the opinions might differ on individual players.

I'm sure now you have seen the reason why I supporter Harris over Fawad. Haris is much more technically sound player and has more range of shots and has power to clear the ropes if needed.

Though I've to say Fawad shouldn't have been dumped by PCB for YK in the world cup squad also the series against Kiwis. Also he should have been given a longer run in tests.
 
Dispels the domestic averages theory, awkward moment for the armchair statisticians. There really is no substitute to watching the game.

Sadaf Hussain is in the same boat; not cut for this level. However, I hope he gets a chance so that the disintegration of this theory is complete.
 
The role does not suit his style of play; it's ugly watching him hit big shots. Must be played in test.
 
All this position debate is rubbish .....A good batsman is a good batsman at any position . U mean to say he should play in the middle order ..Fine . Tel me if he carries his bat till the 40th over ( infact 35 coz of the PP ) , should he retire then ?? He needs to have a power game as well or some smart , cheeky strokeplay if he has to make use of the slog overs .... Right now he's absolutely clueless & making a mockery of himself as well as the team . Previously , we had hitters like Afridi , Umar & Razzak to play alongside him & his weaknesses were sort of shielded . Now that we dont have any , he has been found out ....
again I'm asking the same question ...should he retire from the crease once we reach 35 ovrs ??

You didn't answer the question. Would you play Azhar at 6? No? I'll tell you why. When you come in earlier, you will be set if you last till the 35th over. Fawad has been able to hit boundaries, if you remember the Asia Cup match against Bang and the final against SL or even the ODI against SL where Maqsood made 89. The reason for that was that he was set. He is absolutely useless at hitting from the get-go. And in the above cases he was the one who tried to bat through while the others played freely, i.e. Afridi against Bang, Umar in the final against SL, then Maqsood against SL.

When you're coming in at 6, you have to be the aggressor while your partner bats through. I can assure you that no one would ever bat Azhar at 6 because before the innings has started, you know he is not going to be able to hit out. Same thing with Fawad.

I am not advocating for Fawad's inclusion; at the moment I think there are others ahead of him in the pecking order. Rizwan and Saad played a couple of good innings while Fawad failed and that is what matters at the moment. But if he is included in the line-up again and comes in at a position where quick runs are needed, you can be sure he will fail.
 
I agree with rizrox. Fawad is the biggest hack I have seen in recent times. A domestic bully maybe, that too not the best one. Let him focus on growing his ugly stash
 
I am big fan of him. His position should be 3 or 4. He is a waste in 6. Thanks to Waqar. But he needs to be dropped. He is not fit for modern day cricket
 
Three matches is not enough to judge, at least to convince the supporters of Fawad Alam including Karachi lobby. He will probably needs few more matches to convince the world that his batting-method is now exposed and can no longer survive in batsman-dominated era. Until then, Fawadian [supporters of Fawad] will remain in the land of delusion. :jf
 
Three matches is not enough to judge, at least to convince the supporters of Fawad Alam including Karachi lobby. He will probably needs few more matches to convince the world that his batting-method is now exposed and can no longer survive in batsman-dominated era. Until then, Fawadian [supporters of Fawad] will remain in the land of delusion. :jf

3 matches?
 
You didn't answer the question. Would you play Azhar at 6? No? I'll tell you why. When you come in earlier, you will be set if you last till the 35th over. Fawad has been able to hit boundaries, if you remember the Asia Cup match against Bang and the final against SL or even the ODI against SL where Maqsood made 89. The reason for that was that he was set. He is absolutely useless at hitting from the get-go. And in the above cases he was the one who tried to bat through while the others played freely, i.e. Afridi against Bang, Umar in the final against SL, then Maqsood against SL.

When you're coming in at 6, you have to be the aggressor while your partner bats through. I can assure you that no one would ever bat Azhar at 6 because before the innings has started, you know he is not going to be able to hit out. Same thing with Fawad.

I am not advocating for Fawad's inclusion; at the moment I think there are others ahead of him in the pecking order. Rizwan and Saad played a couple of good innings while Fawad failed and that is what matters at the moment. But if he is included in the line-up again and comes in at a position where quick runs are needed, you can be sure he will fail.
Regarding Azhar Ali , why would u play him at 6 when he can play like he has played at the top ? Still I'm sure he can play better than Fawad at 6 . As far as Fawad is concerned , he doesn't look like a batsman to be honest & will even struggle at n0. 3 or 4 position too against good teams . My friend the game has changed a lot . Now U necessarily need to have a power game cause u can't rely on taking singles only which has become a little difficult because of the additional fielder inside the 30 yard circle .On the contrary , boundary scoring has become a bit easier coz of the fielding rule and two new ball rule . Fawad neither has the power nor the timing nor the innovative strokeplay to match the modern batting standards . He is no worse than a tailender in such conditions . Good teams will stiffle him out easily .
 
Pakistan played three matches against Bangladesh. If we remember correctly, there was huge campaign in support for Fawad Alam. Three matches is not enough for them to fly out of land of delusion. :jf

He has been given chances before. He is HORRIBLE.
 
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