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Fawad Alam's ODI Average Approaching 50 - Countdown Thread

Who cares about his stance. Guy is getting runs. That's all that should matter. Stop nit picking
 
The more demanding the situation, the more awkward his stance gets. Yesterday, Ranatunga could have crawled through his legs. It's really ugly and starting to get on my nerves.

I used to support him big time but I'm beginning to see why some people don't rate him and that his runs are useless. What's the point of his 38* exactly? He boosts his average at a pathetic strike rate of 52 and watches Pakistan lose from the other end. He can't hit one six to save his life, even when yesterday he should've gone for big shots.

Averages don't win matches. we need more dynamic players, who might not average very well, but are still capable of more than just singles. We should try Umer Amin for at least one series. He has his weaknesses too, but at least he's capable of more than just tuk tuk. And I'm sure he's made improvements since he played last for Pakistan
 
Silly Point said:
The more demanding the situation, the more awkward his stance gets. Yesterday, Ranatunga could have crawled through his legs. It's really ugly and starting to get on my nerves.

I used to support him big time but I'm beginning to see why some people don't rate him and that his runs are useless. What's the point of his 38* exactly? He boosts his average at a pathetic strike rate of 52 and watches Pakistan lose from the other end. He can't hit one six to save his life, even when yesterday he should've gone for big shots.

Averages don't win matches. we need more dynamic players, who might not average very well, but are still capable of more than just singles. We should try Umer Amin for at least one series. He has his weaknesses too, but at least he's capable of more than just tuk tuk. And I'm sure he's made improvements since he played last for Pakistan
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You have made my night, thank you sir.
 
Silly Point said:
The more demanding the situation, the more awkward his stance gets. Yesterday, Ranatunga could have crawled through his legs. It's really ugly and starting to get on my nerves.

I used to support him big time but I'm beginning to see why some people don't rate him and that his runs are useless. What's the point of his 38* exactly? He boosts his average at a pathetic strike rate of 52 and watches Pakistan lose from the other end. He can't hit one six to save his life, even when yesterday he should've gone for big shots.

Averages don't win matches. we need more dynamic players, who might not average very well, but are still capable of more than just singles. We should try Umer Amin for at least one series. He has his weaknesses too, but at least he's capable of more than just tuk tuk. And I'm sure he's made improvements since he played last for Pakistan
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You obviously don't know about what the team is lacking at the moment and what it needs to start winning matches again.
 
I don't understand why he was kept out of the team for so long..

He should be your long term 3 and next captain imo
 
Aman said:
I don't understand why he was kept out of the team for so long..

He should be your long term 3 and next captain imo
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Exactly, he's captaincy material and has captaincy experience at domestic level. I don't understand the logic behind batting him at 6 when he's an anchor type who's strength is strike rotation and not big hitting. It should be him at 3, Maqsood 4, Misbah/Akmal 5/6. We've really got our middle order messed up...
 
Fawad would be an ideal no 3 or 4 in our ODI team once Misbah retires.
 
Silly Point said:
The more demanding the situation, the more awkward his stance gets. Yesterday, Ranatunga could have crawled through his legs. It's really ugly and starting to get on my nerves.

I used to support him big time but I'm beginning to see why some people don't rate him and that his runs are useless. What's the point of his 38* exactly? He boosts his average at a pathetic strike rate of 52 and watches Pakistan lose from the other end. He can't hit one six to save his life, even when yesterday he should've gone for big shots.

Averages don't win matches. we need more dynamic players, who might not average very well, but are still capable of more than just singles. We should try Umer Amin for at least one series. He has his weaknesses too, but at least he's capable of more than just tuk tuk. And I'm sure he's made improvements since he played last for Pakistan
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Just to refresh your memory before you completely lose it ...

- Since his return to ODIs Pak record is 2-3
- In both the wins, he played a major role in holding the innings together and playing with a S/R > 100
- First win against Bangladesh, helped Pak chased down a record largest total ever. Hit 2 sixes towards the end to help Pak win the game.
- In 2nd win against SL, he was involved in a record breaking 6th wicket partnership with Maqsood.
- In the 3 losses, scored a 100 in the Asia Cup helping Pak to get to a defendable total, scored 30 in the 2nd ODI and was the top scorer in the 3rd when no one stuck around to support him.

So if you still want Amin to replace him then you should because as a fan you really deserve to have players like him in the team.
 
Silly Point said:
The more demanding the situation, the more awkward his stance gets. Yesterday, Ranatunga could have crawled through his legs. It's really ugly and starting to get on my nerves.

I used to support him big time but I'm beginning to see why some people don't rate him and that his runs are useless. What's the point of his 38* exactly? He boosts his average at a pathetic strike rate of 52 and watches Pakistan lose from the other end. He can't hit one six to save his life, even when yesterday he should've gone for big shots.

Averages don't win matches. we need more dynamic players, who might not average very well, but are still capable of more than just singles. We should try Umer Amin for at least one series. He has his weaknesses too, but at least he's capable of more than just tuk tuk. And I'm sure he's made improvements since he played last for Pakistan
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That ranatunga comment made my day lol. Genius.:misbah
 
Fawad is playing at the wrong position though. He should bat at 4. Those who follow him in domestic cricket can they tell what's his batting position there?
 
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Silly Point said:
The more demanding the situation, the more awkward his stance gets. Yesterday, Ranatunga could have crawled through his legs. It's really ugly and starting to get on my nerves.

I used to support him big time but I'm beginning to see why some people don't rate him and that his runs are useless. What's the point of his 38* exactly? He boosts his average at a pathetic strike rate of 52 and watches Pakistan lose from the other end. He can't hit one six to save his life, even when yesterday he should've gone for big shots.

Averages don't win matches. we need more dynamic players, who might not average very well, but are still capable of more than just singles. We should try Umer Amin for at least one series. He has his weaknesses too, but at least he's capable of more than just tuk tuk. And I'm sure he's made improvements since he played last for Pakistan
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Hain?:tuq
 
Yes the sample data of Amin in ODI is very little in ODI but his stats in domestic arena is a reflection of his poor ODI average. His FC average is even less than Sarfraz Ahmad. Amin should have never been selected at the first place! How can you expect a player to be great in ODI when he is just a mediocre player in Domestic?. I think there should be a big push for young players who averages over 40. Get Harris Sohail into the team ASAP! Already it is paying dividends for Pakistan by selecting players like Sarfraz, Alam and Maqsood on merit!
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Just to refresh your memory before you completely lose it ...

- Since his return to ODIs Pak record is 2-3
- In both the wins, he played a major role in holding the innings together and playing with a S/R > 100
- First win against Bangladesh, helped Pak chased down a record largest total ever. Hit 2 sixes towards the end to help Pak win the game.
- In 2nd win against SL, he was involved in a record breaking 6th wicket partnership with Maqsood.
- In the 3 losses, scored a 100 in the Asia Cup helping Pak to get to a defendable total, scored 30 in the 2nd ODI and was the top scorer in the 3rd when no one stuck around to support him.

So if you still want Amin to replace him then you should because as a fan you really deserve to have players like him in the team.
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Lol. Caught every fish in the sea except for Mamoon. He knew exactly what was going on hahaha. Poor guy has been kinda hiding of late.
 
Hiding? not really. I have warmed up to Fawad and he has made me hate Misbah.

Its never been Fawad vs Amin because the latter is an opener/number 3 at most while Fawad is more suited to the anchor role. Its obvious that you can't have both Fawad and Misbah in the same team and its even more obvious who needs to be shown the door as soon as possible.
 
Btw he should bat at 4 , he can hold the innings together and score more runs for pakistan. From what I have seen he will achieve sr of close to 100 in his very big innings.
 
why Fawad struggles to play big shots ? is his technique not allowing that or he is just not so powerful . yesterday he was told to clear the circle but it was not happening from him all shots going to fielder . i hope he works on this he badly needs it
 
Mamoon said:
Hiding? not really. I have warmed up to Fawad and he has made me hate Misbah.

Its never been Fawad vs Amin because the latter is an opener/number 3 at most while Fawad is more suited to the anchor role. Its obvious that you can't have both Fawad and Misbah in the same team and its even more obvious who needs to be shown the door as soon as possible.
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Good on you to keep an open mind, even if it took you forever to admit that you were wrong. I have witnessed you go from Fawad is not a batsman, to he's not needed with Misbah still around, to Misbah isn't needed now that we have Fawad, all in a couple of months.:))
 
Fawad doesn't have the power nor the technique. At this stage, if he puts on too much muscle and remodels his technique, he might end up losing the only skill that he has - nudging the ball around.

Its fine for an anchor, as long as he manages to strike at 90+ without getting bogged down. Of course the possibility will always be there because he doesn't have a plan B.
 
I don't have a liking for anchors and one dimensional players, but there is little reason to complain as long as he can anchor the innings at a healthy strike rate, something Misbah has never been able to do.

I'd rather have Fawad walk in at 20/3 than Misbah. Both might end up with the same runs, but one would waste 15-20 balls less.
 
Aman said:
I don't understand why he was kept out of the team for so long..

He should be your long term 3 and next captain imo
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To accommodate Afridi and hafeez, we are destroying generations.
 
Mamoon said:
I don't have a liking for anchors and one dimensional players, but there is little reason to complain as long as he can anchor the innings at a healthy strike rate, something Misbah has never been able to do.

I'd rather have Fawad walk in at 20/3 than Misbah. Both might end up with the same runs, but one would waste 15-20 balls less.
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This. He is our next Misbah but with better strike rotation which is an edge over Misbah. So he will not be cursed like Misbah.
 
Silly Point said:
Lol. Caught every fish in the sea except for Mamoon. He knew exactly what was going on hahaha. Poor guy has been kinda hiding of late.
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Lol...

Mamoon is petitioning for Fawad to be included in the test team. Yes, he likes him so much now. :fawad
 
Asif321 said:
why Fawad struggles to play big shots ? is his technique not allowing that or he is just not so powerful . yesterday he was told to clear the circle but it was not happening from him all shots going to fielder . i hope he works on this he badly needs it
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He does not prefer to take the aerial route when hitting shots. All his shots were finding fielders yesterday. The reality is that he is never going to win you games singlehandedly but rather play a facilitating knock and make sure he provides a support to his more aggressive partner(s).

Also, if he is going to be a permanent member of the Pak team, he better learn to play with the tail quickly.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] bahi cannot believe you are advocating for Fawad. What happened ???? Enlightenment I guess
 
He is not an ideal player by any means but he's clearly better than Misbah.
 
Mamoon said:
Better than Azhar, but don't want him at number 3. I think Asad should be batting at 3 with Fawad at number 5.
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That is our skipper's spot.

I would move YK up to 3, Misbah to 4 to accommodate Fawad at 5. Asad can hold on to the number 6. Azhar should open and see off the new ball with Shehzad.
 
Age has caught up with Younis, his reflexes have slowed down and he is always nervy against pace early on.

I would go with this batting order against Australia:

Shehzad
Azhar/Masood
Shafiq
Younis
Fawad
Misbah
Sarfraz

Not good enough by any means, but better than Manzoor opening and Azhar at 3.

Azhar can work as an opener because he can really blunt the new ball and might be able to handle spin better after spending some time at the crease and well Lyon is no Herath.

However, there is also a case of giving Masood another go.
 
Mamoon said:
Age has caught up with Younis, his reflexes have slowed down and he is always nervy against pace early on.

I would go with this batting order against Australia:

Shehzad
Azhar/Masood
Shafiq
Younis
Fawad
Misbah
Sarfraz

Not good enough by any means, but better than Manzoor opening and Azhar at 3.

Azhar can work as an opener because he can really blunt the new ball and might be able to handle spin better after spending some time at the crease and well Lyon is no Herath.

However, there is also a case of giving Masood another go.
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Any chance that Maqsood replaces misbah ;)?
 
If have Fawad open in OZ tests. Only way he can get in since Misbah is not going anywhere for the time being.

Fawad Alam
Ahmed Shehzad
Haris Sohail
Younis Khan
Misbah ul Haq
Asad Shafiq
Sarfraz Ahmed
Bowlers
 
Maqsood needs to establish himself in ODIs first and improve his technique and shot selection (too many airiel shots and falls on his front foot). Let's not make the same mistake as well did with Shehzad who was drafted into the team on the back of a couple of good ODI series and has been clearly exposed.

I would like Haris Sohail to replace Misbah though.
 
Ahson Afzal said:
If have Fawad open in OZ tests. Only way he can get in since Misbah is not going anywhere for the time being.

Fawad Alam
Ahmed Shehzad
Haris Sohail
Younis Khan
Misbah ul Haq
Asad Shafiq
Sarfraz Ahmed
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After a 2-0 drubbing, I would have to question the IQ of the selectors if they do not select him in the test team and that of management if they do not play him at his natural position.

He is not an opener. I am not sure why people want him to open. That he was able to score a 100 on debut was a one-off.
 
Mamoon said:
Age has caught up with Younis, his reflexes have slowed down and he is always nervy against pace early on.

I would go with this batting order against Australia:

Shehzad
Azhar/Masood
Shafiq
Younis
Fawad
Misbah
Sarfraz

Not good enough by any means, but better than Manzoor opening and Azhar at 3.

Azhar can work as an opener because he can really blunt the new ball and might be able to handle spin better after spending some time at the crease and well Lyon is no Herath.

However, there is also a case of giving Masood another go.
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I seriously doubt Shafiq can survive at 3 especially considering the fact that Pak's number usually comes in to bat before 5 overs have been bowled. One-down is YKs natural position and age should not be a factor in deciding the batting order. We already have another who is almost ready to collect pension in the team.

As for Masood, he needs to first demonstrate he belongs at this level and is just not in the team because of his connections.
 
Fawad should be in Test team against Australia . Hope Moin doesn not go blind on this . he has to be selected in any case
 
Pak deserve to lose next test series if they don't include Alam.

Azhar Ali debacle is coming to an end.
 
He is a Michael Clarke in ODIs. This is by no means anything bad. Prolly the best batsman in Pak atm but Akmal, Haris and Maqsood (proper) potential wise are superior.
 
Haz95 said:
He is a Michael Clarke in ODIs. This is by no means anything bad. Prolly the best batsman in Pak atm but Akmal, Haris and Maqsood (proper) potential wise are superior.
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They may have more potential but lack in consistency.
 
JibranAnsari said:
I like him but yesterdays knock was a very bad one.
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yep.. should have batted like the rest of our superstars so we could have been bowled out for 50 runs.. would have saved some of our time and the time of the boys on the field
 
fasihulhaq94 said:
you would pick a guy who averages 19 in odis an 12 in tests over fawad :facepalm:
fawad averages 39 vs aussies in australia :fawad
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First of all I don't go by the averages in the early stages of career, BTW can you mention how many balls he faced for his 39 per innings, I am sure it will be atleast double for the score he makes because the guy can't find gapes and rotate strike much often, who says he is better at strike rotation? Because from what I've seen in the last few matches, He usually rotate strike after wasting 3 balls by taking a single (more like Misbah 2.0) which is detrimental to team's cause in middle overs plus he can't even consolidate later by hitting big strikes (which Misbah can) which has been his major weakness since his debut and a major factor of his non selection in the last four years.
Now speaking of Umar Amin, I think he's a very talented player, has the perfect technique, can rotate strike and also can accelerate at will something Fawad can only dream of, and will only get better with time and more exposure in International Cricket, He has been hardly dealt with by the selectors and team management. Just has been selected for a few games, even got some runs but one bad series and has been kicked out never heard of ever since while on the other hand a worthless and technically flawed hack like Sharjeel gets games after games who can't Bat/Bowl/Field, a complete garbage. How many times have we seen Sharjeel getting out before 10 to a loose shot or of his stumps because of no footwork in the past year or so? If I can remember Umar Amin had 3-4 (5 max) poor games and he was dropped but Sharjeel since that 60 in UAE series (which was 5 match series) has been constantly on the receiving end till now, If that many chances were given to youngsters like Umar Amin and Haris Sohail, It would have been a completely different story for Pakistan's Cricket but its a shame that hacks like Sharjeel can get a go after repeated poor performances, very ordinary technically deficient player like Fawad Alam can make a comeback (because he scores runs even if it kills the momentum of the team), An utterly proven failure in ODI's like Younis can be picked ahead of promising and technically sound players like Umar Amin and Haris Sohail.
As I posted before I would pick Umar Amin ahead of Fawad Alam any day everyday of the week because reality is far more concrete than fantasy and all of you PPers who have been advocating for Fawad Alam as some kind of savior or Messiah, are all living in a Fantasy which will come crashing down very soon when he gets exposed against tough oppositions.
 
Yes Fawad struggles to rotate the strike when wickets are falling around him. Watch the 1st ODI and last two Asia Cup games again and you will see his value. Amin was given a lot of chances at the international level but he couldn't come through. He needs to score runs in domestic to be considered again just like it should be.
 
DarkLord is a really good poster, great addition to Pakpassion.

Such insightful people are always welcome.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Yes Fawad struggles to rotate the strike when wickets are falling around him. Watch the 1st ODI and last two Asia Cup games again and you will see his value. Amin was given a lot of chances at the international level but he couldn't come through. He needs to score runs in domestic to be considered again just like it should be.
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Thats because he is more dependent on his partner at the crease, In Asia Cup Afridi provided the momentum needed for acceleration and in the first ODI against Srilanka, Maqsood provided that. The real test comes when wickets are falling around and you keep the tempo and retain most of the strike which Fawad can't because he can't build up unless someone else provide it from the other end. That's why he got exposed in the last two games and so will in the future because he neither has the technique nor the talent to fulfill whats required of him in the middle order.
 
Mamoon said:
DarkLord is a really good poster, great addition to Pakpassion.

Such insightful people are always welcome.
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Thanks Mamoon! I have been a silent observer in the forum for the past year or so but recently decided to put forth my views, btw I still don't understand why you get so many negative responses and unnecessary criticism in almost every thread, From what I have seen and read your posts, You seem like a very reasonable and logical analyst on PakPassion.
 
The only way people will like you here is if you don't speak your mind and simply follow others like sheep. Not long before you are also labeled an Indian agent. :najam
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
They may have more potential but lack in consistency.
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Akmal and Maqsood perhaps. Haris and Fawad are the kings of FC, i dont think anyone averages better than these two. Fawad worked out and i have confidence in Haris.
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Sohaib was averaging 51 @105 sr before he debuted in ODIs.
As for FC, Fawad is at the top then followed by Umar Akmal then Haris. All average above 50 in FC cricket.
 
DarkLord said:
First of all I don't go by the averages in the early stages of career, BTW can you mention how many balls he faced for his 39 per innings, I am sure it will be atleast double for the score he makes because the guy can't find gapes and rotate strike much often, who says he is better at strike rotation? Because from what I've seen in the last few matches, He usually rotate strike after wasting 3 balls by taking a single (more like Misbah 2.0) which is detrimental to team's cause in middle overs plus he can't even consolidate later by hitting big strikes (which Misbah can) which has been his major weakness since his debut and a major factor of his non selection in the last four years.
Now speaking of Umar Amin, I think he's a very talented player, has the perfect technique, can rotate strike and also can accelerate at will something Fawad can only dream of, and will only get better with time and more exposure in International Cricket, He has been hardly dealt with by the selectors and team management. Just has been selected for a few games, even got some runs but one bad series and has been kicked out never heard of ever since while on the other hand a worthless and technically flawed hack like Sharjeel gets games after games who can't Bat/Bowl/Field, a complete garbage. How many times have we seen Sharjeel getting out before 10 to a loose shot or of his stumps because of no footwork in the past year or so? If I can remember Umar Amin had 3-4 (5 max) poor games and he was dropped but Sharjeel since that 60 in UAE series (which was 5 match series) has been constantly on the receiving end till now, If that many chances were given to youngsters like Umar Amin and Haris Sohail, It would have been a completely different story for Pakistan's Cricket but its a shame that hacks like Sharjeel can get a go after repeated poor performances, very ordinary technically deficient player like Fawad Alam can make a comeback (because he scores runs even if it kills the momentum of the team), An utterly proven failure in ODI's like Younis can be picked ahead of promising and technically sound players like Umar Amin and Haris Sohail.
As I posted before I would pick Umar Amin ahead of Fawad Alam any day everyday of the week because reality is far more concrete than fantasy and all of you PPers who have been advocating for Fawad Alam as some kind of savior or Messiah, are all living in a Fantasy which will come crashing down very soon when he gets exposed against tough oppositions.
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Wow, great to see that you don't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

Fawad in Australia:
3rd ODI - came in at 60-4; built partnership with Umar Akmal until 145 when Umar got out. Scored 33 on 52 balls with only one four (that would be a lot of singles and doubles, in case you are wondering)

4th ODI - came in at 39-3; built a 60 run partnership with Umar Akmal until he got run out. Scored 22 on 52 balls (all singles and doubles)

5th ODI - came in 76-4; built an 82 run partnership with Umar Akmal, stayed until the end as he was the last wicket down. Scored 63 on 70 balls.

Sharjeel & Umar

Not a fan of either, but Sharjeel has played 11 ODIs and Umar Amin has played 14 ODIs; so technically he has gotten more chances than Sharjeel without much to show for. just sayin'
 
farsiddiqui said:
Wow, great to see that you don't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

Fawad in Australia:
3rd ODI - came in at 60-4; built partnership with Umar Akmal until 145 when Umar got out. Scored 33 on 52 balls with only one four (that would be a lot of singles and doubles, in case you are wondering)

4th ODI - came in at 39-3; built a 60 run partnership with Umar Akmal until he got run out. Scored 22 on 52 balls (all singles and doubles)

5th ODI - came in 76-4; built an 82 run partnership with Umar Akmal, stayed until the end as he was the last wicket down. Scored 63 on 70 balls.

Sharjeel & Umar

Not a fan of either, but Sharjeel has played 11 ODIs and Umar Amin has played 14 ODIs; so technically he has gotten more chances than Sharjeel without much to show for. just sayin'
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33 (52) and 22 (52) with no boundaries, that tells the story in itself, no need for an explanation, just confirmed my analysis.
I'm not a stats guy but I am sure Umar Amin must have made more runs in all those ODIs he played with the exception of last few plus he wouldn't have gotten out in the fashion hack Sharjeel gets out in almost every game.
 
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DarkLord said:
First of all I don't go by the averages in the early stages of career, BTW can you mention how many balls he faced for his 39 per innings, I am sure it will be atleast double for the score he makes because the guy can't find gapes and rotate strike much often, who says he is better at strike rotation? Because from what I've seen in the last few matches, He usually rotate strike after wasting 3 balls by taking a single (more like Misbah 2.0) which is detrimental to team's cause in middle overs plus he can't even consolidate later by hitting big strikes (which Misbah can) which has been his major weakness since his debut and a major factor of his non selection in the last four years.
Now speaking of Umar Amin, I think he's a very talented player, has the perfect technique, can rotate strike and also can accelerate at will something Fawad can only dream of, and will only get better with time and more exposure in International Cricket, He has been hardly dealt with by the selectors and team management. Just has been selected for a few games, even got some runs but one bad series and has been kicked out never heard of ever since while on the other hand a worthless and technically flawed hack like Sharjeel gets games after games who can't Bat/Bowl/Field, a complete garbage. How many times have we seen Sharjeel getting out before 10 to a loose shot or of his stumps because of no footwork in the past year or so? If I can remember Umar Amin had 3-4 (5 max) poor games and he was dropped but Sharjeel since that 60 in UAE series (which was 5 match series) has been constantly on the receiving end till now, If that many chances were given to youngsters like Umar Amin and Haris Sohail, It would have been a completely different story for Pakistan's Cricket but its a shame that hacks like Sharjeel can get a go after repeated poor performances, very ordinary technically deficient player like Fawad Alam can make a comeback (because he scores runs even if it kills the momentum of the team), An utterly proven failure in ODI's like Younis can be picked ahead of promising and technically sound players like Umar Amin and Haris Sohail.
As I posted before I would pick Umar Amin ahead of Fawad Alam any day everyday of the week because reality is far more concrete than fantasy and all of you PPers who have been advocating for Fawad Alam as some kind of savior or Messiah, are all living in a Fantasy which will come crashing down very soon when he gets exposed against tough oppositions.
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Umar Amin over Fawad :facepalm:

And what quality opposition are we talking about here??Australia??England??
He has done well against both of those teams.

Also has the highest domestic FC average and scores runs left right and center every season.And whatever chances he has got he has taken them with both hands and performed consistently.I am yet to see him fail.

On the other hand we have Amin.Has very poor domestic record and had been mediocre in whatever chances he has had in international circuit too.Looked all over the place and didn't seem to posses the mental strength to survive at the highest level.

Not sure how he makes a case over Fawad.
 
And Fawad in whatever matches he has played has rotated the strike way better than Amin.Not sure what people watch.

Take the game against Bangla, the first ODI against Lanka as an example.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Umar Amin over Fawad :facepalm:

And what quality opposition are we talking about here??Australia??England??
He has done well against both of those teams.

Also has the highest domestic FC average and scores runs left right and center every season.And whatever chances he has got he has taken them with both hands and performed consistently.I am yet to see him fail.

On the other hand we have Amin.Has very poor domestic record and had been mediocre in whatever chances he has had in international circuit too.Looked all over the place and didn't seem to posses the mental strength to survive at the highest level.

Not sure how he makes a case over Fawad.
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No matter what you say, I am not for Fawad, yes he scores runs but in the fashion he makes them aren't worthy of acknowledgment or what you may call ugly runs and sorry to say but its Fawad who looks all over the place falling down unable to rotate the strike, as far as I can remember Umar Amin was a natural striker, good footwork and could rotate strike at will. Just need some confidence and faith from selectors and can develop into a very good player for Pakistan.
Just wait a few months and you'll realize what I am talking about, Its upto Fawad to prove me wrong but I afraid he won't. He is/was/will be the same Fawad who was dropped 4 years ago because of all the reasons I mentioned before, PCB should always look forward never backwards, Players proven ordinary like Fawad/Younis/Malik/Farhat/Kamran should be nowhere near the team, Young guns like Amin/Haris/Hammad/Raza Hassan should be promoted and nourished and only then we will see some positive results.
 
DarkLord said:
No matter what you say, I am not for Fawad, yes he scores runs but in the fashion he makes them aren't worthy of acknowledgment or what you may call ugly runs and sorry to say but its Fawad who looks all over the place falling down unable to rotate the strike, as far as I can remember Umar Amin was a natural striker, good footwork and could rotate strike at will. Just need some confidence and faith from selectors and can develop into a very good player for Pakistan.
Just wait a few months and you'll realize what I am talking about, Its upto Fawad to prove me wrong but I afraid he won't. He is/was/will be the same Fawad who was dropped 4 years ago because of all the reasons I mentioned before, PCB should always look forward never backwards, Players proven ordinary like Fawad/Younis/Malik/Farhat/Kamran should be nowhere near the team, Young guns like Amin/Haris/Hammad/Raza Hassan should be promoted and nourished and only then we will see some positive results.
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'Umar Amin can rotate strike at will"
 
DarkLord said:
No matter what you say, I am not for Fawad, yes he scores runs but in the fashion he makes them aren't worthy of acknowledgment or what you may call ugly runs and sorry to say but its Fawad who looks all over the place falling down unable to rotate the strike, as far as I can remember Umar Amin was a natural striker, good footwork and could rotate strike at will. Just need some confidence and faith from selectors and can develop into a very good player for Pakistan.
Just wait a few months and you'll realize what I am talking about, Its upto Fawad to prove me wrong but I afraid he won't. He is/was/will be the same Fawad who was dropped 4 years ago because of all the reasons I mentioned before, PCB should always look forward never backwards, Players proven ordinary like Fawad/Younis/Malik/Farhat/Kamran should be nowhere near the team, Young guns like Amin/Haris/Hammad/Raza Hassan should be promoted and nourished and only then we will see some positive results.
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?? I don't remember Amin ever being able to do those things.

And like I said I am yet to see Fawad fail.And you need players like Fawad in your side.He is consistent, rotates the strike at will, builds partnerships and scores runs at a great strike rate as well.

Not sure what more do you want.
 
Another thing, he is great at finding the gaps too.And that is all he needs nowadays.With the fielding restrictions, it has become much easier to get boundaries and that is a blessing in disguise for players like Fawad.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Another thing, he is great at finding the gaps too.And that is all he needs nowadays.With the fielding restrictions, it has become much easier to get boundaries and that is a blessing in disguise for players like Fawad.
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Sorry but don't agree with you on finding gaps, the only thing he finds when he strikes the ball, are the fielders in the inner circle.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Another thing, he is great at finding the gaps too.And that is all he needs nowadays.With the fielding restrictions, it has become much easier to get boundaries and that is a blessing in disguise for players like Fawad.
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Sorry but don't agree with you on finding gaps, the only thing he finds when he strikes the ball, are the fielders in the inner circle.
 
DarkLord said:
Thanks Mamoon! I have been a silent observer in the forum for the past year or so but recently decided to put forth my views, btw I still don't understand why you get so many negative responses and unnecessary criticism in almost every thread, From what I have seen and read your posts, You seem like a very reasonable and logical analyst on PakPassion.
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Mamoon is one of the top posters on PP.
 
Haz95 said:
Sohaib was averaging 51 @105 sr before he debuted in ODIs.
As for FC, Fawad is at the top then followed by Umar Akmal then Haris. All average above 50 in FC cricket.
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That average was in LA. I remember the season which got him selected in ODIs and t20s. Top scorer in both LA tournaments, amongst the top 5 scorers in both FC tournaments. That aside the way he batted really made me a fan. I was one of his biggest supporters even before he got selected.

Haris averages 52 and Umar averages 49 in FC.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Another thing, he is great at finding the gaps too.And that is all he needs nowadays.With the fielding restrictions, it has become much easier to get boundaries and that is a blessing in disguise for players like Fawad.
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Not really. Hits it straight to the fielders when he tries to hit out. But if he has a partner doing it for him he not only rotates the strike well but also hits boundaries more often.
 
DarkLord said:
Sorry but don't agree with you on finding gaps, the only thing he finds when he strikes the ball, are the fielders in the inner circle.
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I'd say that was a trait of Amin, every time I've seen him bat he always picks out fielders. It's not enough to be stylish.
 
Fahdi said:
That average was in LA. I remember the season which got him selected in ODIs and t20s. Top scorer in both LA tournaments, amongst the top 5 scorers in both FC tournaments. That aside the way he batted really made me a fan. I was one of his biggest supporters even before he got selected.

Haris averages 52 and Umar averages 49 in FC.
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yep. I think we should let him settle into ODIs before slowly drafting into tests.
If you take Umars tests exploits out, his average actually becomes 54 making it the second highest :)
 
DarkLord said:
Sorry but don't agree with you on finding gaps, the only thing he finds when he strikes the ball, are the fielders in the inner circle.
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no wonder you and Mamoon think highly of eachother.
Fawad Alam scored 74 off 70 with only 4 4s and 2 6s with a 100+ sr however that was minnow bashing(The only thing Amin has so far done- even that inconsistently). on the other hand, Fawad scored 62 off 60 with 7 fours- again there are boundaries and strike rotation.
The only decent knock of Amins which showed promise was his 'quick' 20 odd as an opener. Even then all he did was tuk tuk and then hit 4 4s and a six- still didn't manage a 100+ sr. But hey 'he can rotate the strike at will'
The only person in all of Pak who can do it consistently at will is Umar Akmal atm.
Haris Sohail and Maqsood are others while Fawad can do it with a partner.
 
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I am just waiting for Fawad to be the captain of Pakistan in near future.I think he will be the captain one day inshallah if he is just given a lengthy run in both formats in the team.He is an amazing talent,wasted for the sake of nepotism by the PCB.Fawad's captaincy means the omission of someone from PP, who has declared it several times.It wont be bad actually for me...as his comment about Fawad is always irritating and seems rubbish to me.I am a big big fan of batsman Fawad
 
So you want him to become captain just so that I leave this forum? such obsession. :baelish
 
Not actually in that sense.I gave you a wrong impression.But yes, i dont want to see a stubborn hater and criticizer of Fawad here in PP anymore,whoever may be.Fawad actually dont deserves such treatment.He is a brilliant cricketer, a brilliant batsman.Pakistan needs him at the very supreme post-the captain of the Pakistan cricket team
 
I am not a hater. I have appreciated what he has brought to the team in case you did not notice.
 
Now you not only have to improve on your prediction skills but also on your image on PP.You have your work cut out ....
 
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