Fawad Chaudhry should be banned: Mufti Muneeb

[Abdullah719]

The usual Eid moon-sighting drama, but getting more dramatic as time goes by.

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Ruet-e-Hilal Committee chairperson Mufti Muneebur Rehman says Federal Science and Technology Minister Fawad Chaudhry should be banned.

He was speaking to the media in a press conference to announce the committee's decision on the Eid moon sighting Saturday evening.

Rehman said Chaudhry should stay within his ministry. He said the committee condemns the science minister's interference in religious matters.

He made a reference to Chaudhry''s comment earlier in the day over moon sighting for Eid and said Eid is the business of those who fast and pray.

Chaudhry had said the Eid moon will be visible in Pakistan tonight (Saturday night), making Sunday Eid before the committee's announcement.

He had said the State was trying to accommodate religious groups when it shouldn’t be. The State is and should be above factions, he said.

Chaudhry’s statements came as no surprise as he has been vocal in his opposition of the Ruet-e-Hilal Committee, Pakistan’s official moon sighting body.

He rejected statements by people who said science and technology had no place in Islam.

He also slammed ‘maulvis’ who were fine with wearing glasses to see the moon but not use telescopes. It’s all science and technology, said the minister.

https://www.samaa.tv/news/2020/05/fawad-chaudhry-should-be-banned-mufti-muneeb/

 

[Syed1]

Hahaha typical mullah


Fawwy 2 - Mullah 0

 

[Khan12]

Hahaha typical mullah


Fawwy 2 - Mullah 0

Both of them are clowns of the highest order.

 

[Abdullah719]

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[Knight_Rider]

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Lol, he was mainly focused on iftar.

That joker Fawad Chaudhry should be banned from any post, what so ever.

 

[Nostalgic]

Banned from what exactly? The government? TV? Life?

I don’t know much about the minister, but anyone who riles up the maulvis is alright in my book.

 

[Greenstorm]

This mufti and his ruet committee must be banished.

 

[Bhaijaan]

What has Dabbu been up to now

 

[Knight_Rider]

Banned from what exactly? The government? TV? Life?

I don’t know much about the minister, but anyone who riles up the maulvis is alright in my book.

Do a google search on Fawad Chudharys past, his previous statements on different matters and you will see why he should be banned from any position of responsibility.

As for the Maulvis, i am not much in their favour either but somethings (like a sharai masla of moon sighting) should be left to them. This is sumnah and a religious matter, hence the Royat-e-Hilal committee has the authority. Fawad Chaudhry has no justification to meddle in this matter.

 

[Nostalgic]

Do a google search on Fawad Chudharys past, his previous statements on different matters and you will see why he should be banned from any position of responsibility.

That sort of answers my question: he should be banned from government. However, there’s this: “Rehman said Chaudhry should stay within his ministry.” It almost sounds like the Mufti wants him banned from being outdoors, which is sagacious advice in this pandemic era.

 

[IAJ]

Looking at the majority of the posts here I am not surprised why this country is in a mess. People like you deserve clowns like FC!

 

[Nostalgic]

Looking at the majority of the posts here I am not surprised why this country is in a mess. People like you deserve clowns like FC!

Instead we’ve been blessed with Mufti Muneeb for several decades. Verily, the Lord is Most Merciful, Most Beneficent.

 

[IAJ]

Instead we’ve been blessed with Mufti Muneeb for several decades. Verily, the Lord is Most Merciful, Most Beneficent.

A genuine question; what mistakes or blunders have Mufti sahib made?

 

[King-Misbah]

A genuine question; what mistakes or blunders have Mufti sahib made?

Mufti is a blunder himself, the country needs unity as oppose to celebrating Eid on different days. I support Fawad and his recent contributions have been praise worthy.

 

[ahmedzee]

What did Fawad do wrong this time ?

For the first time in history of pakistan, Pakistan is celebrating eid with the rest of the world. This is thanks to astronomical calculations and technology used worldwide, including Saudi and other major Islamic countries. That’s how you even determine the prayers timings everyday. Muftis want to sight the moon, but they follow technology when it comes to prayer timings. Why not sight the position of the sun daily 5 times a day to predict the prayer timings as well? The refusal to use technology is the main reason why there is a massive divide between certain organizations worldwide.


In Toronto, the same ruet hilal committee create confusions every year, major reason being their refusal to use technology. They need to realize we are one ummah, and if it is eid in Mississauga, it is eid in Toronto. If it is eid in Islamabad, it is eid in Lahore too. One worldwide body is there already that has a subset in almost every country. That should be followed.

This year fawad chaudary informed the ullemas already as to where the moon can be sighted for their satisfaction. He based it on astronomical calculations widely used worldwide and mufti muneeb finally looked in the same direction, proving fawad right.

 

[Nostalgic]

A genuine question; what mistakes or blunders have Mufti sahib made?

I never insinuated that Mufti Sb (Daamat Barakatuhum) made any blunders. I was expressing genuine gratitude that he had graced us with his presence for this long, batting away the occasional barb with trademark stoicism.

 

[Knight_Rider]

What did Fawad do wrong <b>this time ? </b>

Lol, this sums it up pretty much.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Mufti is a blunder himself, the country needs unity as oppose to celebrating Eid on different days. I support Fawad and his <b> recent contributions </b>have been praise worthy.

Which ones exactly?

 

[Bigboii]

Which ones exactly?

Chitrol and pouncing of the journalists

Only that's one of the few reasons I know him for

 

[Asifnow]

What did Fawad do wrong this time ?

For the first time in history of pakistan, Pakistan is celebrating eid with the rest of the world. This is thanks to astronomical calculations and technology used worldwide, including Saudi and other major Islamic countries. That’s how you even determine the prayers timings everyday. Muftis want to sight the moon, but they follow technology when it comes to prayer timings. Why not sight the position of the sun daily 5 times a day to predict the prayer timings as well? The refusal to use technology is the main reason why there is a massive divide between certain organizations worldwide.


In Toronto, the same ruet hilal committee create confusions every year, major reason being their refusal to use technology. They need to realize we are one ummah, and if it is eid in Mississauga, it is eid in Toronto. If it is eid in Islamabad, it is eid in Lahore too. One worldwide body is there already that has a subset in almost every country. That should be followed.

This year fawad chaudary informed the ullemas already as to where the moon can be sighted for their satisfaction. He based it on astronomical calculations widely used worldwide and mufti muneeb finally looked in the same direction, proving fawad right.

Actually, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh along with several other Muslim nations usually celebrate Eid on the same day. It is a minority of the Muslim world which celebrates at the same time as Saudi.

Also, there is no obligation of every Muslim to celebrate on the same day, as the lunar calendar is dependent upon geography and according to the sunnah, absolutely nothing wrong with eid being on different days, unless there is a central Khilafah and they announce eid on a particular day, then there can be cause for it being world wide. There is currently no caliphate in charge.

The use of technology, sightings or calculations is an entirely different matter to the other points you mentioned. You have conflated all 3 points for no reason.

 

[Bigboii]

I never insinuated that Mufti Sb (Daamat Barakatuhum) made any blunders. I was expressing genuine gratitude that he had graced us with his presence for this long, batting away the occasional barb with trademark stoicism.

Mullah Sb just dab on them haters and buy a telescope and do sightings of moon slash aunties from your balcony

 

[Nostalgic]

Mullah Sb just dab on them haters and buy a telescope and do sightings of moon slash aunties from your balcony

I would if I had a balcony.

 

[PetroDollars]

Moon wars are getting boring now

 

[MenInG]

This should end the debate. Science wins.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Looking at the majority of the posts here I am not surprised why this country is in a mess. People like you deserve clowns like FC!

You calling me clown bro

 

[last_knight]

This should end the debate. Science wins.

Science can, and it should, assist Moon Sighting but it can't be used as a sole criterion. Having said that, I think Maulvis are at fault here.

Even if science predicts moon sigting on Day-X , there still need to be credible eye witness reports of sighting the moon. If sky is cloudy and vision unclear ( so much so that people can't see moon on 29th) , Hadees tells people of "that area" to continue fasting on next day. ( That I believe is a case when there is no communication between 02 areas).

With better communication in 21st century, Moon sighted anywhere is equivalent to moon sighted everywhere.

But Maulvis exploit this whole issue to further their collateral motives.

More relevant question is how we should define "Moon Regions" ?
Even between two ends of Map, Gap of One day is a very big difference. Otherwise why would Islamic Calendar start and end on same day across the globe ?

How is it possible that across the globe Moon year starts on same day, ends on same day but behave differently in between ?

Indo-Pak culture follows a self-established "Moon Region" , specifically for Ramdhan. It adds to dimensions of Religious Groups who otherwise will not attract much fans on merit.

I am very Conservative but Maulvis aren't.

 

[Bewal Express]

This should end the debate. Science wins.

For this year. Maulvis need the power for the $

 

[Mueez]

At the end Fawad Ch won the battle

 

[IAJ]

This should end the debate. Science wins.

What do you mean science win? Over whom or what?

One thing is clear, science will only follow Islam, not the other way around. Allah SWT has already laid the plattform, and if He wants the human brain will understand certain things today or tomorrow.

Regarding the moonsighting, there are proper rules for that, the Sunna and you need to follow that. You just can’t use your logic always as that has restrictions.

Have you ever questioned why Fajr is way shorter than Isha? I mean when you have slept during the night you will have more enery than late in the evening. So according to your logic things should have been other way around maybe? Sometimes it’s better to let the Aql take rest andfollow what we are ordered to by Allah and his Prophet (pbuh)

 

[KB]

The usual Eid moon-sighting drama, but getting more dramatic as time goes by.

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Ruet-e-Hilal Committee chairperson Mufti Muneebur Rehman says Federal Science and Technology Minister Fawad Chaudhry should be banned.

He was speaking to the media in a press conference to announce the committee's decision on the Eid moon sighting Saturday evening.

Rehman said Chaudhry should stay within his ministry. He said the committee condemns the science minister's interference in religious matters.

He made a reference to Chaudhry''s comment earlier in the day over moon sighting for Eid and said Eid is the business of those who fast and pray.

Chaudhry had said the Eid moon will be visible in Pakistan tonight (Saturday night), making Sunday Eid before the committee's announcement.

He had said the State was trying to accommodate religious groups when it shouldn’t be. The State is and should be above factions, he said.

Chaudhry’s statements came as no surprise as he has been vocal in his opposition of the Ruet-e-Hilal Committee, Pakistan’s official moon sighting body.

He rejected statements by people who said science and technology had no place in Islam.

He also slammed ‘maulvis’ who were fine with wearing glasses to see the moon but not use telescopes. It’s all science and technology, said the minister.

https://www.samaa.tv/news/2020/05/fawad-chaudhry-should-be-banned-mufti-muneeb/

This raises a few questions more broadly. One of which is, who speaks for Islam?

The religious establishment zealously guard the religious sphere from encroachments from the state. They consider themselves as experts akin to specialists in other areas such as doctors in the field of medicine. This has frequently led to tensions with modernists who have also often sought to speak on behalf of Islam.

To go somewhat off topic, historical context is helpful here. We turn first to that remarkable figure in the nineteenth century, Sayyid Ahmad Khan. Sir Sayyid was a pioneer of Islamic modernism in South Asia. He expended considerable energy to argue that the divine message could be reconciled to science and that it was wholly within the ambit of reason. During his life he was attacked mercilessly, especially by the ulama, and even labeled a kafir and representative of the Devil. But in his own defence he stated “I have done this work, for which I am not qualified, out of love for Islam.”

Crucially, Sir Sayyid rejected the exclusive right of the ulama to express ijma. We should note that Sir Sayyid’s vision was not democratic in the way we would understand it today, but his conception marked a sharp break from traditional ideas on ijma. It paved the way for lay people to speak in the name of Islam and for ideas of ijma that were more sensitive to popular opinion.

We see this in Iqbal, as we shift to the twentieth century, who states that religious consensus can be arrived through a parliamentary system of government:

“The transfer of the power of Ijtihad from individual representatives of [classical] schools [of law] to a Muslim legislative assembly which, in view of the growth of opposing sects, is the one possible form Ijma can take in modern times, will secure contributions to legal discussions from laymen who happen to possess keen insight into affairs.”

The Pakistan movement is of significance too, for it was led not by the religious establishment but by the modernist elite that regularly invoked Islam in their speeches. This is true even of Jinnah in the last decade of his life. In one speech in 1945 to mark Eid al-Fitr, Jinnah spoke of Islam as “not merely confined to the spiritual tenets or doctrine or rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society, every department of life, collectively and individually.” Significantly the modernist thrust was revealed by the statement “every Musalman should possess a copy of the Quran and be his own priest.” This idea of each person being their own ‘priest’ no doubt raised the eyebrows of the ulama and pirs who saw themselves as crucial intermediaries.

In the early years of Pakistan’s life, the modernist elite, despite pressures from the religious establishment, continued to advance their understanding of Islam. The Constitution of 1956 in fact was largely in accord with modernist orientations. Quoting the legal scholar Dieter Conrad, Matthew Nelson states Pakistan’s first Constituent Assembly took a momentous decision in respect to “the power of interpretation” regarding Islamic law and that, as Conrad wrote “this decision has remained the common basic structure [for every] constitution” thereafter. “The power to ... bring all legislation in accordance with “the injunctions of Islam”, Conrad wrote “was vested in parliament as the final interpreting authority.” “The general disposition" of the state was “to treat Islamic principles as a matter [for] the future’”and “to entrust their realization to the ... political responsibility of the legislature.”

The Ayub era was the height of the modernist vision and also marked the start of its decline. Ayub was intent on demonstrating the inherent compatibility of development and progress on one hand and Islam on the other. He did not seek to erase Islam from public life, but like the modernists before him, he believed that Islam, ‘properly’ interpreted “alone provides a natural ideology that can save the soul of humanity from destruction.” The Central Institute of Islamic Research set up by the government in 1960 reflected modernist principles, with the government explaining that the purpose of the institute was “to define Islam in terms of its fundamentals in a rational and liberal manner and to emphasise…the basic Islamic ideas of universal brotherhood, tolerance and social justice” as well as to “interpret the teachings of Islam in such a way as to bring out its dynamic character in the context of the intellectual and scientific progress of the modern world.”

For Ayub, the state rather than the ulama or pirs, was central to this vision of Islamic modernism. This in fact led to controversy in 1967 over the day Eid was to be celebrated. The ‘moon sighting committee’ made up of the defence minister, a naval official and one member of the ulama had declared Thursday, 12 January as the day of Eid. Many religious figures protested. Rumours were circulated that the regime wished to avoid Friday as Eid in the superstitious belief that it bode ill for its future. Five figures of the religious establishment - including prominent figures Maududi and Ehtisham ul-Haq Thanvi - were imprisoned by the state for their displays of dissent.

Yet far from representing strength, Ayub was increasingly becoming a beleaguered figure. Islamic modernism was coming under considerable stress in the Ayub years. It was in 1968, that the great modernist intellectual, Fazlur Rahman was forced to resign as director of the Institute of Islamic Research, for instance.

With the decline of modernism the religious establishment has become more determined to defend what it considers its turf. It explains some of the strong reaction to Fawad Chaudhry’s statements.

 

[Bewal Express]

What do you mean science win? Over whom or what?

One thing is clear, science will only follow Islam, not the other way around. Allah SWT has already laid the plattform, and if He wants the human brain will understand certain things today or tomorrow.

Regarding the moonsighting, there are proper rules for that, the Sunna and you need to follow that. You just can’t use your logic always as that has restrictions.

Have you ever questioned why Fajr is way shorter than Isha? I mean when you have slept during the night you will have more enery than late in the evening. So according to your logic things should have been other way around maybe? Sometimes it’s better to let the Aql take rest andfollow what we are ordered to by Allah and his Prophet (pbuh)

If the Maulvis follow Sunnah why do we have 2 Eids in the same country, surely one group is not following the Sunnah.

 

[Knight_Rider]

What do you mean science win? Over whom or what?

One thing is clear, science will only follow Islam, not the other way around. Allah SWT has already laid the plattform, and if He wants the human brain will understand certain things today or tomorrow.

Regarding the moonsighting, there are proper rules for that, the Sunna and you need to follow that. You just can’t use your logic always as that has restrictions.

Have you ever questioned why Fajr is way shorter than Isha? I mean when you have slept during the night you will have more enery than late in the evening. So according to your logic things should have been other way around maybe? Sometimes it’s better to let the Aql take rest andfollow what we are ordered to by Allah and his Prophet (pbuh)

Science is just a snapshot of what fact based knowledge we ve at any given point in time. Scientific views may change at any time.

Where as religion to most part is just blind belief.

Both aren’t necessarily compatible all the time, so you Choose whatever you want to believe in. Ramadan is a religious event, so how can science justify or specify how the moon should be sighted?

 

[saeedhk]

Fawad zindabad! I hope Imran Khan had Fawad’s guts when its comes to taking on rabid mullahs!

 

[moghul]

Sack useless mutif Naeem and his equally useless committee. Its 2020 we're still relying on Moulvis for scientific matters like predicting precise timing of moon sighting.

Good Job Fawad Chaudhry.

 

[last_knight]

This raises a few questions more broadly. One of which is, who speaks for Islam?

The religious establishment zealously guard the religious sphere from encroachments from the state. They consider themselves as experts akin to specialists in other areas such as doctors in the field of medicine. This has frequently led to tensions with modernists who have also often sought to speak on behalf of Islam.

To go somewhat off topic, historical context is helpful here. We turn first to that remarkable figure in the nineteenth century, Sayyid Ahmad Khan. Sir Sayyid was a pioneer of Islamic modernism in South Asia. He expended considerable energy to argue that the divine message could be reconciled to science and that it was wholly within the ambit of reason. During his life he was attacked mercilessly, especially by the ulama, and even labeled a kafir and representative of the Devil. But in his own defence he stated “I have done this work, for which I am not qualified, out of love for Islam.”

Crucially, Sir Sayyid rejected the exclusive right of the ulama to express ijma. We should note that Sir Sayyid’s vision was not democratic in the way we would understand it today, but his conception marked a sharp break from traditional ideas on ijma. It paved the way for lay people to speak in the name of Islam and for ideas of ijma that were more sensitive to popular opinion.

We see this in Iqbal, as we shift to the twentieth century, who states that religious consensus can be arrived through a parliamentary system of government:

“The transfer of the power of Ijtihad from individual representatives of [classical] schools [of law] to a Muslim legislative assembly which, in view of the growth of opposing sects, is the one possible form Ijma can take in modern times, will secure contributions to legal discussions from laymen who happen to possess keen insight into affairs.”

The Pakistan movement is of significance too, for it was led not by the religious establishment but by the modernist elite that regularly invoked Islam in their speeches. This is true even of Jinnah in the last decade of his life. In one speech in 1945 to mark Eid al-Fitr, Jinnah spoke of Islam as “not merely confined to the spiritual tenets or doctrine or rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society, every department of life, collectively and individually.” Significantly the modernist thrust was revealed by the statement “every Musalman should possess a copy of the Quran and be his own priest.” This idea of each person being their own ‘priest’ no doubt raised the eyebrows of the ulama and pirs who saw themselves as crucial intermediaries.

In the early years of Pakistan’s life, the modernist elite, despite pressures from the religious establishment, continued to advance their understanding of Islam. The Constitution of 1956 in fact was largely in accord with modernist orientations. Quoting the legal scholar Dieter Conrad, Matthew Nelson states Pakistan’s first Constituent Assembly took a momentous decision in respect to “the power of interpretation” regarding Islamic law and that, as Conrad wrote “this decision has remained the common basic structure [for every] constitution” thereafter. “The power to ... bring all legislation in accordance with “the injunctions of Islam”, Conrad wrote “was vested in parliament as the final interpreting authority.” “The general disposition" of the state was “to treat Islamic principles as a matter [for] the future’”and “to entrust their realization to the ... political responsibility of the legislature.”

The Ayub era was the height of the modernist vision and also marked the start of its decline. Ayub was intent on demonstrating the inherent compatibility of development and progress on one hand and Islam on the other. He did not seek to erase Islam from public life, but like the modernists before him, he believed that Islam, ‘properly’ interpreted “alone provides a natural ideology that can save the soul of humanity from destruction.” The Central Institute of Islamic Research set up by the government in 1960 reflected modernist principles, with the government explaining that the purpose of the institute was “to define Islam in terms of its fundamentals in a rational and liberal manner and to emphasise…the basic Islamic ideas of universal brotherhood, tolerance and social justice” as well as to “interpret the teachings of Islam in such a way as to bring out its dynamic character in the context of the intellectual and scientific progress of the modern world.”

For Ayub, the state rather than the ulama or pirs, was central to this vision of Islamic modernism. This in fact led to controversy in 1967 over the day Eid was to be celebrated. The ‘moon sighting committee’ made up of the defence minister, a naval official and one member of the ulama had declared Thursday, 12 January as the day of Eid. Many religious figures protested. Rumours were circulated that the regime wished to avoid Friday as Eid in the superstitious belief that it bode ill for its future. Five figures of the religious establishment - including prominent figures Maududi and Ehtisham ul-Haq Thanvi - were imprisoned by the state for their displays of dissent.

Yet far from representing strength, Ayub was increasingly becoming a beleaguered figure. Islamic modernism was coming under considerable stress in the Ayub years. It was in 1968, that the great modernist intellectual, Fazlur Rahman was forced to resign as director of the Institute of Islamic Research, for instance.

With the decline of modernism the religious establishment has become more determined to defend what it considers its turf. It explains some of the strong reaction to Fawad Chaudhry’s statements.

Thank you sir for great piece of historical information.

 

[last_knight]

My goodness. Everyone please go to your roofs and see the moon. Crystal clear and definitely 2nd day moon.

I am capturing the video.

Fawad Ch. actually helped every one.

 

[MenInG]

JHELUM: Science and Technology Minister Fawad Chaudhry said Sunday that two moon observatories will be set up by next year to "permanently resolve" moon-sighting conflicts.

Speaking to the media here in the city, Chaudhry said the plan was to set up moon observatories in Islamabad and Gwadar where anyone would be able to go and see the moon for themselves.

"Given the debate we observed over moon [sighting] this year, we intend to set up a moon observatory in Islamabad next year and we're also trying to set one up in Gwadar too," the federal minister explained.

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"The issue of moon-sighting will be permanently resolved after the moon observatories" are established, he noted. "A common person will be able to go and see the moon and decide for themselves," he added.

The minister also thanked Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee Chairperson Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rahman and other members, as well as religious scholars of Pakistan, for their contributions to the country.

"This Eid was not possible without them. I thank them all," he mentioned.

Chaudhry noted that the happiness of Eid-ul-Fitr had been dimmed, first due to the coronavirus pandemic and then because of the PIA plane crash when flight PK-8303 plunged into a residential neighbourhood of Karachi, killing all but two of the 99 people aboard.

"The good thing is that the entire country celebrated Eid together on one day this time. From Pasni to Lahore and from Karachi to Peshawar, one Eid was celebrated throughout the Islamic world," he added.

Religious festivities, the minister said, should be a reason of unity and agreement and "that happened today".

https://www.geo.tv/latest/289653-mo...y-resolve-moon-sighting-issues-fawad-chaudhry

 

[Bilal_103]

I may be mistaken but I heard that it's better to have Eid on the same day as the majority of the other muslims so in that sense all the countries in Asia should celebrate it on the same day IMO.

 

[Greenstorm]

What do you mean science win? Over whom or what?

One thing is clear, science will only follow Islam, not the other way around. Allah SWT has already laid the plattform, and if He wants the human brain will understand certain things today or tomorrow.

Regarding the moonsighting, there are proper rules for that, the Sunna and you need to follow that. You just can’t use your logic always as that has restrictions.

Have you ever questioned why Fajr is way shorter than Isha? I mean when you have slept during the night you will have more enery than late in the evening. So according to your logic things should have been other way around maybe? Sometimes it’s better to let the Aql take rest andfollow what we are ordered to by Allah and his Prophet (pbuh)

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) used swords for fighting, thats the sunnah. Why do our army use guns these days ? He used to ride on horse/camel. Is it against Islam to use cars these days ?

Prophet and his companions used to observe the position of sun/stars for daily namaz because there were no clocks. Why don't we follow that sunnah these days ?

Islam actually encourages the use of aql. Muslim scientists during the golden era made great contributions to astronomy i.e phases of moon etc.
In this case, we don't even need that much aql. Its just common sense.

 

[Nostalgic]

One suspects that the maulvis' vitriol is directed not so much at the fact that science can determine whether there is a new moon or not, but more at the fact that this constitutes an encroachment onto what they consider to be their turf. Its the thin end of the wedge. First this, next what? Will family elders start presiding over nikahs all of a sudden? There goes the trademark insinuation that if there had been no maulvi to do it, we would all have been born illegitimate.

 

[Greenstorm]

One suspects that the maulvis' vitriol is directed not so much at the fact that science can determine whether there is a new moon or not, but more at the fact that this constitutes an encroachment onto what they consider to be their turf. Its the thin end of the wedge. First this, next what? Will family elders start presiding over nikahs all of a sudden? There goes the trademark insinuation that if there had been no maulvi to do it, we would all have been born illegitimate.

Exactly. This is the issue. Mullahs are losing ground and now they are starting to feel it hence these outbursts. After 2-3 more Eids, people will start questioning the role of this ruet committee.

 

[Nostalgic]

Exactly. This is the issue. Mullahs are losing ground and now they are starting to feel it hence these outbursts. After 2-3 more Eids, people will start questioning the role of this ruet committee.

And it isn't as if membership of the Ruet committee is too lucrative in the monetary sense. But once there's a crack in the dam, what if the leak can't be plugged? They've built up an entire economy reliant upon people's gratuitous veneration of them: from monthly donations to the sacrificial hide racket, from CII to the niaz delivered to their doorsteps on every occasion of significance. What if all of that were to be threatened? The horror.

 

[moghul]

Mullah cannot replace technology.

 

[Bigboii]

One suspects that the maulvis' vitriol is directed not so much at the fact that science can determine whether there is a new moon or not, but more at the fact that this constitutes an encroachment onto what they consider to be their turf. Its the thin end of the wedge. First this, next what? Will family elders start presiding over nikahs all of a sudden? There goes the trademark insinuation that if there had been no maulvi to do it, we would all have been born illegitimate.

during prophets era there was no clergy class or being a maulvi wasn't a profession but know a days it's a profession but it shows our negligence more than it shows their monopoly tbh hope we get to a point where everyone can do these basic duties

But I don't have a problem with muftis and high level clergy cause they are needed in society to help better understand Quran, Hadith

 

[Savak]

Ruet-e-Hilal Committee is a waste of space, a waste of the national Exchequer and should be banned

 

[MenInG]

Chairman of the Ruet-e-Hilal Committee, Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rahman, on Wednesday said that Prime Minister Imran Khan should declare a three-day holiday for Eid ul Adha as it is traditionally a three-day celebration.

Last week, the federal government had announced a three-day holiday, from Friday, July 31 to Sunday, August 2, on account of Eid ul Adha.

Addressing the press conference in Karachi, the religious scholar said there is "no conflict between ulema and science" and that the ulema "also have scientific knowledge".

He said meterologists from Pakistan Meteorological Department were a part of the decision making during the moon-sighting.

Lamenting the ongoing brutal lockdown in India-occupied Kashmir by the Indian forces, Mufti Muneeb said that it has been nearly a year and the incumbent government "has done nothing and only passed resolutions in this regard".

"A clearer message on the Kashmir conflict has still not been given to India at the international level," he said.

Occupied Kashmir has been under a clampdown since August 5, after the Indian government revoked the special status of the valley. The Modi government sent in an unprecedented number of Indian troops to the region, imposed a curfew and placed Kashmiri politicians under house arrest.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/300351-th...-ulema-and-science-says-mufti-muneebur-rehman

 

[Kashur_Kalkharab]

Fawas chaudery is usually so mad at people still following the molvi sahab,he sometimes in the process behaves absolutely as someone who has dozens of scientific achievements.

There is nothing wrong in being liberal but doesn't mean he gets into religious matters where there are greater consultations required. I am all with ulamahs using every scientific method but still I think at the end consultations are necessary.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry said Saturday the moon of Ramadan can be “clearly” sighted in major cities on the evening of April 13 and the first roza will be on April 14.

“May the Almighty bless everyone in this month,” he prayed.

Earlier, the science ministry said the moon will be clearly sighted in Islamabad, Lahore, Peshawar and Karachi.

The Ruet-e-Hilal Committee will meet on April 13 in Peshawar to sight the moon for the holy month of Ramadan, a statement from the body had said earlier this week.

Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee Chairperson Maulana Abdul Khabir Azad summoned the session, the statement said, adding that the meeting of zonal and district committees will take place at their respective headquarters.

This will be the first Ramadan moon sighting under the Ruet-e-Hilal Committee's new chairperson, who was appointed by the federal government in December last year, replacing Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman.

The new chairperson, in January, said he will try his best to bring harmony in observing Ramadan and celebrating Eid in the country in the years to come.

"The entire nation will observe fasting on the same days and also celebrate Eid on one day," he had said.

GEO

 

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Ruet-e-Hilal Committee seeks technical support from Fawad Chaudhry

The Ruet-e-Hilal Committee has sought technical support from Federal Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry on Tuesday for the Ramadan moon sighting.

The decision was announced by the committee's chairperson Abdul Khabeer Azad during a press conference where he said Ruet-e-Hilal Committee's meetings will be held across the country.

"The central meeting will be held in Peshawar," he said.

He said the Ruet-e-Hilal Committee said he had spoken to Fawad Chaudhry about the moon sighting exercise as well.

"I have spoken to Fawad Chaudhry about technical support. He will provide it to us," said Azad.

He said the committee had also extended an invitation to Mufti Popalzai to take part in the meeting as well.

However, he said decisions will be taken keeping in mind "the Shariah principles and eyewitness testimonies".

Every year, Mufti Popalzai holds separate meetings for the sighting of the Ramadan and Shawwal moons and makes independent decisions, which are often in contradiction to official announcements.

Maulana Azad says he will ensure Eid & Ramazan fasts observed on same dates countrywide
Earlier, Maulana Azad had said he would ensure the first day of Ramadan and Eid are observed in the same day throughout the country.

Azad had also held a meeting with the provincial minister of Auqaf (Trust) Saeed-ul-Hasan Shah and had said that he would bring about an improvement in the Ruet-e-Hilal Committee's working, adding that he will make decisions with "all schools of thought on board."

 

[ahmedzee]

I used to dislike Fawad in 2018, but honestly, since he became science and technology minister, I have nothing but respect and praise for him. The Islamic calendar using technology is the best thing he has done. Middleastern countries already rely on it. Unfortunately, the mufti type people in Canada have made things miserable for us, where we are not relying on technology, and hence why half the people celebrate Eid on one day, the other half the next day (especially in Toronto & Area).

 

[MenInG]

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Oh dear Fawad...

According to Fawad there are no chances for Moon sighting.

Mod can you please past the news here for the below link.

https://jang.com.pk/news/925851

 

[Mamoon]

The only good thing this joker government has achieved in the last 3 years is to put an end to this Eid drama.

Every year, it is scientifically proven that Popalzai in Peshawar is right. It was ridiculous to Mufti Muneeb to reject the testimonies from KP.

There were no basis for it other than his own ego and stubbornness and his refusal to accept that he was wrong.

With him no longer at the helm, it is now possible for the country to have one eid.

 

[Free Hit]

The only good thing this joker government has achieved in the last 3 years is to put an end to this Eid drama.

Every year, it is scientifically proven that Popalzai in Peshawar is right. It was ridiculous to Mufti Muneeb to reject the testimonies from KP.

There were no basis for it other than his own ego and stubbornness and his refusal to accept that he was wrong.

With him no longer at the helm, it is now possible for the country to have one eid.

You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about!

Who you are backing are claiming today’s decision is wrong.

Its a fact you’re just a plain hater of Barelvis, and consider them to be anything but Muslims.

Labbayk Ya RasoolAllah, we call upon out Prophet and he will certainly intercede for us with the will of Allah Paak. In’sha’Allah

 

[Major]

The only good thing this joker government has achieved in the last 3 years is to put an end to this Eid drama.

Every year, it is scientifically proven that Popalzai in Peshawar is right. It was ridiculous to Mufti Muneeb to reject the testimonies from KP.

There were no basis for it other than his own ego and stubbornness and his refusal to accept that he was wrong.

With him no longer at the helm, it is now possible for the country to have one eid.

Bro, fawad chaudry has said eid was suppose to be on friday he is still saying scientifically it is impossible to see the moon incpakistan thus eid cant be tomr.

Popalzai again like every year just accepted random witnesses and announced eid before anyone else.

So now you tell us, who is right? Popalzai who has had a habit of making stuff up or the ministry of science and technology?

 

[Zeshan547]

Bro, fawad chaudry has said eid was suppose to be on friday he is still saying scientifically it is impossible to see the moon incpakistan thus eid cant be tomr.

Popalzai again like every year just accepted random witnesses and announced eid before anyone else.

So now you tell us, who is right? Popalzai who has had a habit of making stuff up or the ministry of science and technology?

And the irony is he said "scientifically proven", Just wish its a typo for Mamoon sake. Otherwise it's the funniest thing I will see or read most likely on this eid. Hilarious.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Should we believe the Pakistan Meteorological Department who says its not possible to see the moon? Or some KPK Mullah who celeberate Eid one day early every year?

On Tuesday, the Pakistan Meteorological Department (PMD) predicted that the chances of sighting the new moon of Shawwal 1442 AH on the evening of May 12 i.e. 29th of Ramazan (Wednesday) are slim.

Eid-ul-Fitr (1st Shawwal) will most likely fall on Friday. The new moon of Shawwal, 1442 AH will born on crossing conjunction point at 00-01 PST on May, 12, (Wednesday), the weather department said in a statement.

According to astronomical parameters, there is ‘no chance’ of sighting the new moon of Shawwal, 1442 AH on the evening of Wednesday 12 May i.e. 29th of Ramazan, 1442 AH, the met office said.

https://arynews.tv/en/sighting-shawwal-crescent-today-impossible-fawad-chaudhry/

 

[Mamoon]

Bro, fawad chaudry has said eid was suppose to be on friday he is still saying scientifically it is impossible to see the moon incpakistan thus eid cant be tomr.

Popalzai again like every year just accepted random witnesses and announced eid before anyone else.

So now you tell us, who is right? Popalzai who has had a habit of making stuff up or the ministry of science and technology?

Are you accusing people of coming up with fake testimonies? This is the same attitude that Mufti Muneeb adopted for years and which led two multiple Eids.

You cannot reject testimonies of dozens of people. If you are doing so, you are accusing them of lying.

The issue here is of racism not of moon-sighting. The rest of the country do not want to accept testimonies from KP. If there are testimonies from Punjab or Sindh, no one will have an issue.

It is all part of the propaganda against KP. There is nothing more to it.

The only proper solution to all of this is to put an end to this moon sighting practice. In today’s world of communication, you do not need for moon to show up in your sky for you to celebrate Eid and declare the start of Ramzan.

Like the rest of the world, we need to get in tandem with KSA.

If the Prophet PBUH lived today, would people not fast and celebrate Eid alongside him or would they do it a day or two after?

 

[Mamoon]

You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about!

Who you are backing are claiming today’s decision is wrong.

Its a fact you’re just a plain hater of Barelvis, and consider them to be anything but Muslims.

Labbayk Ya RasoolAllah, we call upon out Prophet and he will certainly intercede for us with the will of Allah Paak. In’sha’Allah

I am not backing anyone. My point is simple - you cannot reject testimonies of people. If you are doing that, you are accusing them of lying.

The problem is not with the testimonies; the problem is that the testimonies come from KP. It is an issue of racism.

 

[Major]

Are you accusing people of coming up with fake testimonies? This is the same attitude that Mufti Muneeb adopted for years and which led two multiple Eids.

You cannot reject testimonies of dozens of people. If you are doing so, you are accusing them of lying.

The issue here is of racism not of moon-sighting. The rest of the country do not want to accept testimonies from KP. If there are testimonies from Punjab or Sindh, no one will have an issue.

It is all part of the propaganda against KP. There is nothing more to it.

The only proper solution to all of this is to put an end to this moon sighting practice. In today’s world of communication, you do not need for moon to show up in your sky for you to celebrate Eid and declare the start of Ramzan.

Like the rest of the world, we need to get in tandem with KSA.

If the Prophet PBUH lived today, would people not fast and celebrate Eid alongside him or would they do it a day or two after?

I dont care about kpk or sindh or punjab.

Testimonies are a ** concept.

People give fals oath in court by placing their hand on the quran, this is still just for eid.

You have a metreology department that csn give accurate moon sighting.

Plus, popalzai has again been proven as a liar today. Fawad chaudry himself saod moon sighting scientifcally wasnt possible, so how can those testimonies be true?


Popalzai only wants to make eid with saudis thats about it

 

[OMB]

Fawad reveals plan to promote state narrative

ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Fawad Chaudhry has said the entire ministry will be revamped in seven to 10 months to turn it into an effective “voice of the state” and not the ruling party for which besides introducing latest technologies and public-private partnership in the media, reforms will be carried out in each department.

“Unfortunately, nobody has ever realised that information ministry has become a spokesperson of the ruling party [whichever comes to power] though it should be a spokesperson of the state,” Mr Chaudhry said while talking to Dawn on Saturday.

He explained that he had tried to bring about changes in the ministry in 2018 when he had become the first information minister of the present government but the process stopped soon after his portfolio was changed.

The minister said all major components of the ministry including administration, news wing, broadcasting and Press Information Department (PID) were being revamped.

Says information ministry to be revamped

As a first step, the minister said the state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) would become High Definition (HD) channel by June. “PTV will begin digital transmission next month,” he said, adding that PTV was also available on YouTube. As PTV and Radio Pakistan were being revamped at present, people would see changes in next few months, he said.

He said there was a dire need to overhaul PTV and run some of its components on the basis of public-private partnership.

The minister said PTV should focus on substantial issues instead of following private TV channels. “For example the government is implementing uniform curriculum for the first time in the history of the country but nobody is highlighting it in a way it should have been highlighted,” he explained.

Mr Chaudhry said entertainment and sports channels of PTV — PTV Home and PTV Sports —would be run through public-private partnership to bring some quality in their programmes especially the entertainment side. In this connection, he said private parties even the youth would be encouraged to make quality dramas. “In the whole world entertainment and sports channels are not run by the state but the private sector,” he argued.

The minister said PTV News Channel and PTV English News Channel would be run by the government and would be improved on modern lines with an aim to present quality news so that the state narrative was promoted in the “war of opinions”.

He said he was deadly against a proposal to increase TV licence fee which was deducted in electricity bills of consumers from Rs 35 to Rs100 per month. “I am not in the favour of increase in the fee but we will use dead assets of the PTV to cater to financial needs of revamping,” he added.

The minister said surplus staff of PTV would be given golden handshake and benefits before being sent home. Asked if he would bring back some officials removed from PTV, Mr Chaudhry made it clear that he had no such intention to re-appoint the officials who had been recently removed from the organisation.

While expressing dissatisfaction over the performance of Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (Pemra), the information minister said the authority was not playing its basic role of media development and policing. “It is just acting as a regulatory body,” he added. He said the ministry would establish a media university in Islamabad.

The minister said Pakistan Broadcasting Corporation was being restructured on modern lines and it would be soon connected to YouTube and other internet platforms.

He was of the opinion that the virtually ‘dead film industry’ would be revived and a new policy was being introduced to encourage people to establish cinema houses which would be almost tax free. He said soft loans would be given under PM Kamyab Jawan Programme to the youth so that they could make quality films.

He was completely against imported films and dramas and proposed heavy taxes if anyone imported foreign dramas, he said, disclosing the plan to remake 10 legendary dramas of PTV such as Waris, Taabeer, Shama etc with new actors. Plays for kids like Ameer Hamza and others would also be presented, he added.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1623839/fawad-reveals-plan-to-promote-state-narrative

 

[MenInG]

The federal government on Thursday declared a nationwide public holiday for five days on the occasion of Eidul Fitr, Express News reported.

The holidays will begin on Friday, April 21, and run until Tuesday, April 25, according to a notification issued by the Ministry of Interior.

Earlier, the Ruet-e-Hilal Research Council (RHRC) said that Eidul Fitr is likely to be celebrated across the nation this year on Saturday, April 22.

The council's Secretary-General, Khalid Ijaz Mufti, said that the committee's meeting is set to convene on Thursday, April 20, in order to sight the Shawwal moon.

If the crescent is sighted on Thursday evening, then Eidul Fitr will be celebrated on Friday, April 21. However, he added, it was unlikely that the moon will be sighted the same evening.