Few thoughts on improving the Pakistani bowling attack

[xricket]

Two things really:

1- We need a bowler who can consistently deliver 150+ or at the very least 145+. Accuracy comes with experience and maturity. Can be right arm or left arm. Doesn't matter. But height should be bit high.

2- We need left arm leg spinner, as they are more deadly than finger spinners. Instead of having doosra, they can bowl googly as a replacement without having to worry about ICC ban.

Many of you guys are aware of our domestic circuit and I really hope we have the bowlers with these talents to look forward to.

 

[rhony]

So you want a Bumrah (145+) and Kuldeep.

 

[xricket]

So you want a Bumrah (145+) and Kuldeep.

Precisely. You read my mind, although Bumrah may be a bit slow for my liking

 

[Something]

Two things really:

1- We need a bowler who can consistently deliver 150+ or at the very least 145+. Accuracy comes with experience and maturity. Can be right arm or left arm. Doesn't matter. But height should be bit high.

2- We need left arm leg spinner, as they are more deadly than finger spinners. Instead of having doosra, they can bowl googly as a replacement without having to worry about ICC ban.

Many of you guys are aware of our domestic circuit and I really hope we have the bowlers with these talents to look forward to.

I have a few thoughts on improving our batting. We really need a couple of players who can consistently score 80-100 runs at a strike rate of 150 to open our batting and a hitter at the end who can bat at a strike rate of above 200 consistently.

If we get these players then surely we chase any score and set huge targets.


....Really bro??

 

[YousafTheBeast]

1- Wahab Riaz

2- Zafar Gohar (left arm finger off spin)

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I have a few thoughts on improving our batting. We really need a couple of players who can consistently score 80-100 runs at a strike rate of 150 to open our batting and a hitter at the end who can bat at a strike rate of above 200 consistently.

If we get these players then surely we chase any score and set huge targets.


....Really bro??

Umar Akmal is your answer.

 

[xricket]

I have a few thoughts on improving our batting. We really need a couple of players who can consistently score 80-100 runs at a strike rate of 150 to open our batting and a hitter at the end who can bat at a strike rate of above 200 consistently.

If we get these players then surely we chase any score and set huge targets.


....Really bro??

Yes, that will certainly help. But, I was talking about our bowling. The way it looked weak in 3rd odi, needs to be looked at. Also, during 1st odi. Now compare it with the India. We can certainly improve our bowling. Not sure, if there is any batting talent in domestic, but that would also help

 

[YousafTheBeast]

So you want a Bumrah (145+) and Kuldeep.

No, we don’t want our pace bowlers giving too many extras.

 

[xricket]

1- Wahab Riaz

2- Zafar Gohar (left arm finger off spin)

Lol. Wahab Riaz. Not sure if he has the intelligence to bowl at this level. It's like he didn't get the memo when players are expected to get mature with age. I just cant forget how he bowled to Smith / Aussie skipper, as he followed him. He shouldn't be selected. Zafar Gohar, can't be the answer, as Nawaz can also be picked if we go by this.

 

[Something]

1- Wahab Riaz

2- Zafar Gohar (left arm finger off spin)

Wahab Riaz is a spray gun. He can ball at the pace OP mentioned but he's a horrible bowler. His line and length is atrocious and any half decent batting attack will hammer him. He has his days when he gets it right but that's very rare more often than not he's absolute *****.

Zafar Gohar has pretty decent domestic stats but he can't bat to save his life which I why I think this guy will never work in ODI cricket.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Lol. Wahab Riaz. Not sure if he has the intelligence to bowl at this level. It's like he didn't get the memo when players are expected to get mature with age. I just cant forget how he bowled to Smith / Aussie skipper, as he followed him. He shouldn't be selected. Zafar Gohar, can't be the answer, as Nawaz can also be picked if we go by this.

Wahab Riaz is a spray gun. He can ball at the pace OP mentioned but he's a horrible bowler. His line and length is atrocious and any half decent batting attack will hammer him. He has his days when he gets it right but that's very rare more often than not he's absolute *****.

Zafar Gohar has pretty decent domestic stats but he can't bat to save his life which I why I think this guy will never work in ODI cricket.

You both are WRONG in regards to Wahab Riaz, a bowler can have his bad days, he’s our best bowler at the death, has good variations, and although he performed poorly in the CT, he was the pick of the bowlers in the Vitality blast which is held in England, and recently took a hat trick, so looks back in form, and if he does well in the PSL he should replace Faheem Ashraf for the WC as he can hold a bat too.

 

[xricket]

You both are WRONG in regards to Wahab Riaz, a bowler can have his bad days, he’s our best bowler at the death, has good variations, and although he performed poorly in the CT, he was the pick of the bowlers in the Vitality blast which is held in England, and recently took a hat trick, so looks back in form, and if he does well in the PSL he should replace Faheem Ashraf for the WC as he can hold a bat too.

Just no. Please. Wahab is one of those, who would do more damage than good for Pakistan. He go for plenty and releases pressure developed by our opening bowlers

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Just no. Please. Wahab is one of those, who would do more damage than good for Pakistan. He go for plenty and releases pressure developed by our opening bowlers

If that was true, there wouldn’t be a thread right now on how to improve our bowling attack.

 

[topspin]

1- Wahab Riaz

2- Zafar Gohar (left arm finger off spin)

Number 2 is a good suggestion if he is capable of hitting brisk cameos like Imad.

As for Wahab he was the very reason why Pakistan conceded 444 in that Trent Bridge game. But more notably - his bowling was woeful in the opening CT match against India. After his replacement with Junaid, there were no weak links in the pace attack and therefore the side was able to restrict SA, SL, Eng to under 250 and bowl India out for 150-160 in the remaining matches.

 

[xricket]

If that was true, there wouldn’t be a thread right now on how to improve our bowling attack.

But that doesn't mean we should worsen our bowling attack even more, by selecting bowler who has played so much international cricket and still can't control his line and length, besides with poor intelligence or IQ when it comes to making real time decisions. I have watched enough matches to know he won't be good for our cause.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Number 2 is a good suggestion if he is capable of hitting brisk cameos like Imad.

As for Wahab he was the very reason why Pakistan conceded 444 in that Trent Bridge game. But more notably - his bowling was woeful in the opening CT match against India. After his replacement with Junaid, there were no weak links in the pace attack and therefore the side was able to restrict SA, SL, Eng to under 250 and bowl India out for 150-160 in the remaining matches.

I agree, but the OP asked for a bowler that bowls 150+, and Wahab is currently 1 of the 2 bowlers who can bowl at such speed for Pakistan, the other being Muhammad Sami.

In regards to Junaid Khan, i’d have him in place for Shinwari as he doesn’t look threatening with the new ball, whereas Junaid can pick up early wickets.

But that doesn't mean we should worsen our bowling attack even more, by selecting bowler who has played so much international cricket and still can't control his line and length, besides with poor intelligence or IQ when it comes to making real time decisions. I have watched enough matches to know he won't be good for our cause.

You asked for a 150 click bowler, there’s only Wahab or Sami lol.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Also need an athletic wicket keeper-cum-opener who can give flying starts, especially in knock out games.

 

[xricket]

I agree, but the OP asked for a bowler that bowls 150+, and Wahab is currently 1 of the 2 bowlers who can bowl at such speed for Pakistan, the other being Muhammad Sami.

In regards to Junaid Khan, i’d have him in place for Shinwari as he doesn’t look threatening with the new ball, whereas Junaid can pick up early wickets.



You asked for a 150 click bowler, there’s only Wahab or Sami lol.

Have you seen the recent tour. Looks as if Shaheen has developed a shape back in. Shinwari is utter garbage, no personal vendetta against him. He can't bowl that express fast. I would have rather Faheem, who like Shinwari, can slant the ball at 140, and then bat too, so that would be a bonus

 

[BreadPakoda]

I agree, but the OP asked for a bowler that bowls 150+, and Wahab is currently 1 of the 2 bowlers who can bowl at such speed for Pakistan, the other being Muhammad Sami.

In regards to Junaid Khan, i’d have him in place for Shinwari as he doesn’t look threatening with the new ball, whereas Junaid can pick up early wickets.



You asked for a 150 click bowler, there’s only Wahab or Sami lol.

Sami has been unfairly treated. Average in 20s and eco 4.xx. Such bowlers are a rare breed. Should give an SOS to him just before the world cup

 

[Something]

Also need an athletic wicket keeper-cum-opener who can give flying starts, especially in knock out games.

Also a Jinn who can cast fears into the hears of the opposition so they get bowled out for ducks

 

[Something]

Sami has been unfairly treated. Average in 20s and eco 4.xx. Such bowlers are a rare breed. Should give an SOS to him just before the world cup

Sami is even worse than Wahab.

 

[xricket]

Also need an athletic wicket keeper-cum-opener who can give flying starts, especially in knock out games.

Only problem with rizwan i see, as i read here, that he tries to read off the pitch. This is very poor. Especially for wicket keeper. Of all the players, wicket keeper is the one who should check the release of the ball, to find which it would go and what kind of delivery the bowler has bowled. That's what really define good wicket keepers, and that's what generally make them better than average batsmen

 

[xricket]

I agree, but the OP asked for a bowler that bowls 150+, and Wahab is currently 1 of the 2 bowlers who can bowl at such speed for Pakistan, the other being Muhammad Sami.

In regards to Junaid Khan, i’d have him in place for Shinwari as he doesn’t look threatening with the new ball, whereas Junaid can pick up early wickets.



You asked for a 150 click bowler, there’s only Wahab or Sami lol.

The problem with Sami, i don't know if you have watched him play, is that he often gets disappointed when batsman scores off him when he bowls full length and then he drags it too short instead of just full of a good length, which is then either pulled or hooked easily due to his low height. He also won't have 145 pace.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Have you seen the recent tour. Looks as if Shaheen has developed a shape back in. Shinwari is utter garbage, no personal vendetta against him. He can't bowl that express fast. I would have rather Faheem, who like Shinwari, can slant the ball at 140, and then bat too, so that would be a bonus

Yes, and I also saw how our bowlers performed in the Asia Cup.

Shinwari was our fastest bowler in the previous game, bowled around 145.

Faheem doesn’t get into the side as bowler only, and he averages around 11 so he really can’t bat.

 

[xricket]

Yes, and I also saw how our bowlers performed in the Asia Cup.

Shinwari was our fastest bowler in the previous game, bowled around 145.

Faheem doesn’t get into the side as bowler only, and he averages around 11 so he really can’t bat.

Faheem has the potential to score as he has first class average is around 30. He has proved it on few occasions.

 

[rhony]

No, we don’t want our pace bowlers giving too many extras.

Especially no balls I guess

 

[lahoriyah1234]

We will see how good bumrah is in the WC. I personally dont see anything outstanding about Bumrah, he is like Zaheer Khan, he was a decent fast bowler. Personally speaking and i m not taking anything away from bumrah and his recent performances, he has the skills but some how i still believe Pakistani Pace Bowlers are much better and talented than Indian fast bowlers. Indian batting is a amazing and has always been. I dont much enjoy Indian bowling when in display, much rather watch SA bowling attack and NZL and Pakistan. No offence guys just my opinions.

 

[Syed1]

Perhaps bringing back 'injured' Junaid might be a start. Also a genuine offie who has a competent doosra is seriously missing. Offies generally offer captains plenty of control and don't go for many runs, and if that guy then starts bowling the doosra he becomes a serious weapon. Shadab is an attacking bowler. He will pick up a wicket or two on average, but he will also get smashed about. You cannot hope to build up the pressure with just Shadab.

Imad has ok economy but pathetic wicket taking ability. He becomes useless when teams realize that they have to play him like a medium pacer rather than a spinner. I remember on an Aus tour Imad ripped through them in the first match and after that had a torrid time, got smashed about because the Aussies figured out how to play him.


In terms of fast bowling, Shaheen is the obvious bright star. I want to see him in Australia, hitting people on the helmet from good length. What a sight to behold. If he adds 5kph to his bowling he could be a candidate for best LOI bowler in a couple of years. Amir and Hasan have proven quality and ability, but it is just not happening for them lately like it used to. If they regain their old self then dafnay bich jaingi


Shinwari I don't rate that much (despite his spell in the last match). He seems to me a bowler right out the Sami or Wahab school of pace bowling. Bus pace pe pace, no thought, no swing or seam, no setting up the batsman. He is at best a good squad option for when we need an enforcer.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

I doubt Pakistan have a single slow left arm Chinaman bowler.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Genuinely believe Zafar Gohar should be a regular in all three formats. Very effective spinner with the stats to back it up, and handy with the bat. No clue why he hasn't been given a run yet

 

[Pete Rose]

I don’t see these requirements as particularly important