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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sharing this because I believe that by speaking out about my own experience of sexual harassment, I will break the culture of silence that permeates through our society. It is not easy to speak out.. but it is harder to stay silent. My conscience will not allow it anymore <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MeToo?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MeToo</a> <a href="https://t.co/iwex7e1NLZ">pic.twitter.com/iwex7e1NLZ</a></p>— Meesha Shafi (@itsmeeshashafi) <a href="https://twitter.com/itsmeeshashafi/status/986918710991519744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Nasty stuff.

Guilty or not guilty Ali Zafae will suffer hard, both personally and professionally.

It's scary.

Alea iacta est, as the Roman said many centuries ago.
 
Women are indeed scary, they can destroy anyone through libel. #MGTOW here we come!
 
He's in trouble, serious trouble. Social media has come out against him very strongly. Already people are mobilizing on twitter asking for his endorsements, following on from the #AuratMarch and the international #MeToo, lot of women have been galvanized and will be motivated to ensure he's punished. PSL, Nokia, Lays etc have been mentioned, these are international brands & won't want there reputation being maligned cos of the actions of one guy. He's also got a movie coming out around Eid, interesting to see whether that's released now.

It's a shame, I'm a huge fan of his work, a true artist, can sing, dance, act and even paint/draw, but even that level of talent can't save you if you're a scumbag of a person.
 
Ali Zafar and Meesha a pic from 2 years ago

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Asim_khan said:
I see your pic and I raise you a Mobile jazz advert starring the two of them.... can't believe this is from 7 years ago

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Wow thats an old ad. I know it's off topic and i will be criticized for commenting on the looks but what exactly is attractive about Meesha? I never found her attractive and the dresses and her make up choice is just awful.
 
Mian said:
Wow thats an old ad. I know it's off topic and i will be criticized for commenting on the looks but what exactly is attractive about Meesha? I never found her attractive and the dresses and her make up choice is just awful.
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She got in the media industry because of her mom Saba Hamid,a veteran actress.
 
one accusation will not dent Ali much however if other females start speaking out against him then he is in serious trouble.
 
Mian said:
Wow thats an old ad. I know it's off topic and i will be criticized for commenting on the looks but what exactly is attractive about Meesha? I never found her attractive and the dresses and her make up choice is just awful.
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It's obvious she got a leg up into the industry via her parents, otherwise as you said, she's very plain looking. Nepotism is a curse except for those who profit from it. (Thanks Dad. Love you.)

Her being a plain jane could have led to the unwanted attention she's had from Ali Zafar. According to some think pieces I read after Arnold Schwarzenegger was found to have children with his house keeper, (don't google her), attractive men prefer unattractive women to cheat with because 1) seen as easy 2) they want to be admired & centre of attention.
 
Ali Zafar is married from 2009 and Meesha got married back in 2008 even before making any name in industry. Both got kids.
 
How exactly is anything going to be proved against Ali Zaffar?

Anyone guilty of it should be socially boycotted but at the end of the day its just her word against Ali's unless she has proof?
 
Asim_khan said:
It's obvious she got a leg up into the industry via her parents, otherwise as you said, she's very plain looking. Nepotism is a curse except for those who profit from it. (Thanks Dad. Love you.)

Her being a plain jane could have led to the unwanted attention she's had from Ali Zafar. According to some think pieces I read after Arnold Schwarzenegger was found to have children with his house keeper, (don't google her), attractive men prefer unattractive women to cheat with because 1) seen as easy 2) they want to be admired & centre of attention.
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Interesting point and don't forget Ali Zafar's first Pakistani movie is coming after 2 months. Movie is being produced by Ali Zafar himself and is written by his brother.

Guess what the movie title is "Teefa in Trouble" but looks like Teefa is in real trouble now
 
Sexual harassment has been going on since time and immemorial.

Chaplin was the originator of the "casting couch".
 
Mian said:
Interesting point and don't forget Ali Zafar's first Pakistani movie is coming after 2 months. Movie is being produced by Ali Zafar himself and is written by his brother.

Guess what the movie title is "Teefa in Trouble" but looks like Teefa is in real trouble now
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I've seen that poster doing the rounds today, great marketing move! :genius

But yea, she's really doubled down on the fact she's a mother of 2 and also seen as powerful in the industry, yet still been a victim. Almost like she's attacking Pakistan's respectability culture, saying even that won't save you.
 
Asim_khan said:
I've seen that poster doing the rounds today, great marketing move! :genius

But yea, she's really doubled down on the fact she's a mother of 2 and also seen as powerful in the industry, yet still been a victim. Almost like she's attacking Pakistan's respectability culture, saying even that won't save you.
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Why didnt she report to the police when it happened? (Assuming she did not) that should have been the first course of action no matter what the condition of police is in Pakistan. If that had failed then she could have raised the issue on social media. This would look like a stupid decision if Ali Zaffer sues her for defamation and actually wins the case (which in all likelihood he will because of no proof).
 
Madplayer said:
Why didnt she report to the police when it happened? (Assuming she did not) that should have been the first course of action no matter what the condition of police is in Pakistan. If that had failed then she could have raised the issue on social media. This would look like a stupid decision if Ali Zaffer sues her for defamation and actually wins the case (which in all likelihood he will because of no proof).
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Izaat
 
ManFan said:
Izaat
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I understand that as a social reality. I am talking about the current scenario. She has gathered enough courage to talk about it now hasn't she? Why not now go to the police first and she if they take an action? It has to be dramatic always by involving social media, without any proof at that.

Dont get me wrong, i would personally boycott Ali zaffer for the rest of my life if he is proven to be guilty. I am talking about the entire process of such public shaming without letting any investigations take place first.
 
Madplayer said:
I understand that as a social reality. I am talking about the current scenario. She has gathered enough courage to talk about it now hasn't she? Why not now go to the police first and she if they take an action? It has to be dramatic always by involving social media, without any proof at that.

Dont get me wrong, i would personally boycott Ali zaffer for the rest of my life if he is proven to be guilty. I am talking about the entire process of such public shaming without letting any investigations take place first.
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Maybe she wants to advocate greater attention to the women of Pakistan concerning sexual harassment.
 
Why are we blaming the victim here?



Sexual harassment can manifest in many forms. Whose to say that Ali didn't casually put his hand where it has no business being (anywhere on Meesha's body).... would she have gone to the police for that?
 
Madplayer said:
I understand that as a social reality. I am talking about the current scenario. She has gathered enough courage to talk about it now hasn't she? Why not now go to the police first and she if they take an action? It has to be dramatic always by involving social media, without any proof at that.

Dont get me wrong, i would personally boycott Ali zaffer for the rest of my life if he is proven to be guilty. I am talking about the entire process of such public shaming without letting any investigations take place first.
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Maybe she wanted to join that #MeToo campaign going on social media right now?
 
Why would Pakistani Entertainment industry be immune to sexual harassment?

It’ll be hard to believe her story unless other come out and say the same. Not saying that I don’t believe her. I have no reason to not to believe her.

Props to her to have a courage to speak out against sexual harrasment.
 
Syed1 said:
Why are we blaming the victim here?



Sexual harassment can manifest in many forms. Whose to say that Ali didn't casually put his hand where it has no business being (anywhere on Meesha's body).... would she have gone to the police for that?
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Pakistan is notorious when it comes to the "chup raho lekin hum kon so muh dekane ke liya re jaye ge" **. It boils my blood because its been integrated generation after generation.
 
She seems quite happy in the picture.

Anyway, if Ali Zafar has, after a blatant NO from Meesha, continued to harass her (flirting becomes harassment once a woman clearly indicates she is not interested) then he should be made an example of.

However, if she has taken Ali's flirting to be harassment, without ever letting him know she isn't interested then its not really harassment.

Otherwise no man would ever go up to a woman to chat her up!
 
Ali Zafar's response

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/j1C34onEXC">pic.twitter.com/j1C34onEXC</a></p>— Ali Zafar (@AliZafarsays) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliZafarsays/status/986969628869046272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Ali is saying he will take her to the courts instead of settling it on media.
 
She needs to write more in detail about what happened. She didn't give any examples, all of the celebrities in Hollywood like Kevin Spacey, and Harvey Wienstein and Aziz Ansari all had detailed accounts against them. She doesn't even mention what he said or did to her.
 
both of them needs to go to court. social media isnt the place to settle the issue.
 
The timing's a bit too perfect for my liking and literally out of nowhere.

Teefa in Trouble releases in 2 months.

Shocking if true tho.
 
The accused is innocent until proven guilty. This stance in no way implies that the "victim" is to be blamed.
 
Pakistanian said:
She needs to write more in detail about what happened. She didn't give any examples, all of the celebrities in Hollywood like Kevin Spacey, and Harvey Wienstein and Aziz Ansari all had detailed accounts against them. She doesn't even mention what he said or did to her.
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Stop with your common sense response or feminists and white knights will accuse you of blaming the victim.
 
Talking from the western society point of view :

The term "sexual harassment" has become such a vague term that even winking at a women can be termed as "sexual harassment". At one hand men are expected to make the "first move" when it comes to romance while on the other hand anything you do as a man can be miss-characterized and your whole career destroyed. Great job feminism.
 
She does not offer any proof at the moment and Ali Zafar will probably sue for defamation.She will probably lose the case.We should not point any fingers until we hear both sides of the story with real evidence.

This could be a clever (although cheap) marketing ploy for Ali's next movie..
 
Sirris said:
Talking from the western society point of view :

The term "sexual harassment" has become such a vague term that even winking at a women can be termed as "sexual harassment". At one hand men are expected to make the "first move" when it comes to romance while on the other hand anything you do as a man can be miss-characterized and your whole career destroyed. Great job feminism.
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A guy in my college was expelled without being questioned because a girl claimed that he was harrasing her by staring at her and touching her during a class.The thing was I was sitting right next to the guy in that same class with the girl in the row in front of us.I was friends with him so I knew he was mischievous but nothing like that.

The guy came back with his father the next day and threatened to sue the college.The girl was then asked to retell the incident and a few other 'witnesses'(including me) were also questioned to determine the real story.

Turns out the girl lied because the guy was kicking her chair(as he did with everyone just to annoy them) and wouldn't stop when requested.The 'staring' was when the girl turned around on her seat to confront the guy.It probably lasted 3 seconds.Awkward maybe,insensitive too.But harassment?Nah

The guy was brought back to college but his class was changed and he had a different schedule with no free time.What happened to the girl?Nothing.
 
In Pakistan even a simple facebook friend request seems to be sexual harassment. For Ayesha Gulalai harassment was Imran Khan sending text messages. So when Meesha makes this claim what exactly is she claiming?
 
proud_pakistani said:
In Pakistan even a simple facebook friend request seems to be sexual harassment. For Ayesha Gulalai harassment was Imran Khan sending text messages. So when Meesha makes this claim what exactly is she claiming?
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Its the same everywhere.

What is sexual harassment and what is a cute request depends on whether the woman is interested in the man or not.

If the woman likes the man, then everything is okay. If she does not, even a facebook request becomes sexual harassment.
 
troodon said:
Its the same everywhere.

What is sexual harassment and what is a cute request depends on whether the woman is interested in the man or not.

If the woman likes the man, then everything is okay. If she does not, even a facebook request becomes sexual harassment.
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IMO, the lady has no reason to lie - She is married with 2 kids. Ali Zafar is a more influential name and she would know that the male-centered entertainment industry can destroy her for going after one of their own. Something must have definitely happened for her to come out so openly and accuse this guy of sexual harassment. Most sexual harassment cases can never been corroborated by third parties, so to think that because there is no proof she is lying would be doing a serious injustice to her. This needs a thorough investigation.
 
Arham_PakFan said:
A guy in my college was expelled without being questioned because a girl claimed that he was harrasing her by staring at her and touching her during a class.The thing was I was sitting right next to the guy in that same class with the girl in the row in front of us.I was friends with him so I knew he was mischievous but nothing like that.

The guy came back with his father the next day and threatened to sue the college.The girl was then asked to retell the incident and a few other 'witnesses'(including me) were also questioned to determine the real story.

Turns out the girl lied because the guy was kicking her chair(as he did with everyone just to annoy them) and wouldn't stop when requested.The 'staring' was when the girl turned around on her seat to confront the guy.It probably lasted 3 seconds.Awkward maybe,insensitive too.But harassment?Nah

The guy was brought back to college but his class was changed and he had a different schedule with no free time.What happened to the girl?Nothing.
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Thank you for sharing. I am assuming this took place in Pakistan?
 
troodon said:
Its the same everywhere.

What is sexual harassment and what is a cute request depends on whether the woman is interested in the man or not.

If the woman likes the man, then everything is okay. If she does not, even a facebook request becomes sexual harassment.
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It is not always that direct. You are lucky if the girl let's you know that she is not interested. It can however also be that the lady is enjoying your advances in that moment. And with advances I mean just a little hug here and there or a kiss on the cheek. However the next morning or a couple of weeks later she ends up regretting them and her emotions towards that experience changes and you end up being accused of "sexual harassment".

That's what happens when you the definition is so vague it can literally mean anything.

If a girl tells a guy to stop approaching her and the guy keeps on hitting on her and goes on to be physical with her I can accept it as sexual harassment. However more often than not it isn't that clear and depends on how the women's emotions days later.
 
Mian said:
Wow thats an old ad. I know it's off topic and i will be criticized for commenting on the looks but what exactly is attractive about Meesha? I never found her attractive and the dresses and her make up choice is just awful.
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Meesha has an amazing voice. She is primarily a singer.

Anyway, Ali has announced that he will take this court, so, it would be all clarified.
 
The thing is that a few other women are now coming out about instances of him sexually harassing them in the past. I think it's time we actually start listening to them. It's a shame. He seemed like a nice dude. Also those old tweets someone posted show his mindset. It's ironic how these days he is the first to say something about giving women freedom (mahira/ranbir incident) but now is having these allegations come out against him. Disgusting
 
AT LEAST 5 women have come out now with detailed stories of him harassing them but some of the idiot men in our society will still blame the victims and start defining sexual harassment according to what they think it means
 
aliasad1998 said:
AT LEAST 5 women have come out now with detailed stories of him harassing them but some of the idiot men in our society will still blame the victims and start defining sexual harassment according to what they think it means
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Any link source please? Ali zafar was also quite flirty with mahira khan in an interview
 
Noman said:
Any link source please? Ali zafar was also quite flirty with mahira khan in an interview
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I saw posts on Facebook and twitter. Unfortunately these women aren't famous/authorized accounts so I can't link them. You'll have to dig
 
In the West compared to Pakistan, Women tend to be more casual regarding personal boundaries. I can narrate many episodes where gori's have come to close for comfort and have made physical contact. This girl in my office has a habit of getting to close for comfort when i am sitting in my chair and she comes to talk to me as if she wishes to sit on my lap or something.

I just take it as a man and move on because for me its a non-issue and i don't want to bring about embarrassment to the girl in question.
 
Sirris said:
It is not always that direct. You are lucky if the girl let's you know that she is not interested. It can however also be that the lady is enjoying your advances in that moment. And with advances I mean just a little hug here and there or a kiss on the cheek. However the next morning or a couple of weeks later she ends up regretting them and her emotions towards that experience changes and you end up being accused of "sexual harassment".

That's what happens when you the definition is so vague it can literally mean anything.

If a girl tells a guy to stop approaching her and the guy keeps on hitting on her and goes on to be physical with her I can accept it as sexual harassment. However more often than not it isn't that clear and depends on how the women's emotions days later.
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Well said.

You can hardly ever guess how a woman think. Sometimes it would make no sense at all to you but they will have some weird logic to back it up, a POV which you could never think of.

Women are generally more emotional than men and the vagaries of these emotions can result in a man peesing chakki in jail. No wonder western men are going their own way (MGTOW) and the time isnt far away when the east will follow suit.
 
Syed1 said:
Why are we blaming the victim here?



Sexual harassment can manifest in many forms. Whose to say that Ali didn't casually put his hand where it has no business being (anywhere on Meesha's body).... would she have gone to the police for that?
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This.....what proof can a woman give when a guy inappropriately touches her body without her permission? chappal utaake maar dene chahiye..then and there itself.
 
kaayal said:
This.....what proof can a woman give when a guy inappropriately touches her body without her permission? chappal utaake maar dene chahiye..then and there itself.
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Exactly. This is actually a very complex issue to be honest. On one hand we have an absurd social reality. Women feel that people will point fingers at them if they come to know that she has been touched by a man. This prevents her from taking instantaneous action against harassment. On the other hand when such issues are brought up many days or months or years after they happen, the case loses weight and generally there is no proof to back it up. So we can't really judge whether the accusation being made is actually true or not.

I think the best way to deal with it is to give women enough courage to take instantaneous actions against any such advances. It would give us a better chance to know the reality of what has happened. otherwise it just appears to be mudslinging at each other. A very complex problem indeed given the social setup that we live in.
 
See it's "unclassy" for a woman to swear but it's so important to learn some bad words when you have to face such animals alone. You can't always expect the male member of your family to come with you because of these eve teasers. One should make use of their abuse energy to their full potential on such occasions.
 
Madplayer said:
Exactly. This is actually a very complex issue to be honest. On one hand we have an absurd social reality. Women feel that people will point fingers at them if they come to know that she has been touched by a man. This prevents her from taking instantaneous action against harassment. On the other hand when such issues are brought up many days or months or years after they happen, the case loses weight and generally there is no proof to back it up. So we can't really judge whether the accusation being made is actually true or not.

I think the best way to deal with it is to give women enough courage to take instantaneous actions against any such advances. It would give us a better chance to know the reality of what has happened. otherwise it just appears to be mudslinging at each other. A very complex problem indeed given the social setup that we live in.
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I won't blame the victims tbh because always the initial reaction when such thing occurs is that of shock and embarassment. You won't be able to believe that this actually happened to you and you won't tell this to anyone,even your mom. It will take time to open up but by then your case will lose it's credibility.
 
Meesha is a very bold member of our showbiz i am not sure if any one can harass her she can rip him apart if there is such case.

I hope this is not a cheap publicity stunt for Ali's upcoming movie :(
 
Friend786 said:
Ali Zafar's response

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/j1C34onEXC">pic.twitter.com/j1C34onEXC</a></p>— Ali Zafar (@AliZafarsays) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliZafarsays/status/986969628869046272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Well articulated.

If Ali is guilty then he should receive an exemplary punishment.

And if the lady is lying then she should be charged with defamation, at least.
[MENTION=146617]OoparCut[/MENTION] People are already going after Zafar. There is no such thing as "innocent until proven guilty" in 2018.
 
troodon said:
Its the same everywhere.

What is sexual harassment and what is a cute request depends on whether the woman is interested in the man or not.

If the woman likes the man, then everything is okay. If she does not, even a facebook request becomes sexual harassment.
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Question is where do you draw the line between casual flirting and harassment and who decides that.
 
So easy for women to accuse men of such appaling crimes and get away with it.Whatever Happened to Ayesha Gulalai's allegations?
 
Probably thought he could get away with it being a handsome star with lots of female fans. I'll bet he got a shock to realise the #MeToo movement has hit Pakistan.
 
Everyone deserves a chance to defend themselves including Ali Zafar.

But let's not be blind. If Hollywood has had these issues then the Pakistani media industry will certainly have numerous big names involved in such behavior too.
 
Fineline said:
Exaggerated claims specially the one pertaining to kissing on the backstage!I wonder why none of them spoke when the incident occured?Placing hands around the waist or shoulders is no big deal until the women start to dislike that paticular guy!
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Thing is, most of this behaviour was probably seen as part of the celebrity culture. Even in the west no one batted an eyelid until recently. Since it blew up with Harvey Weinstein, now every single incident is being looked at with a different attitude.
 
Hamza jumps in
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FOR EXAMPLE: The man flirts, the woman doesn't tell him she is feeling uncomfortable, maybe he is in a position of power or other reasons, the man takes it as consent, the woman years later comes out saying she got harassed & the guy keeps thinking he just flirted with consent! <a href="https://t.co/muXaEZCH6b">https://t.co/muXaEZCH6b</a></p>— Hamza Ali Abbasi (@iamhamzaabbasi) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamhamzaabbasi/status/987253543257235456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am not justifying men here neither justifying silence as consent, i am just saying how things are getting so blurred & so easily prone to manipulation! Easy liberal hawks... Easy! :-) <a href="https://t.co/UsZsU0gdrs">https://t.co/UsZsU0gdrs</a></p>— Hamza Ali Abbasi (@iamhamzaabbasi) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamhamzaabbasi/status/987258190684442624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Cpt. Rishwat said:
Thing is, most of this behaviour was probably seen as part of the celebrity culture. Even in the west no one batted an eyelid until recently. Since it blew up with Harvey Weinstein, now every single incident is being looked at with a different attitude.
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I concur!Let thr truth prevail in the court.Until then,Ali Zafar is innocent akin to Imran Khan's case.
 
What is this new story coming about pepsi battle of the band? is that news legit or a fake image?
 
Slim said:
can you share the sauce?
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A channel reported this and there are some people talking about this on social media

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Right now we cannot ascertain the true story but the tweets from the other women sure do make Ali look guilty.
 
Mian said:
A channel reported this and there are some people talking about this on social media

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why do desi reporter sound like a 'robot' with their monotone, almost yelling voice, just speak in normal tone and voice.
 
I personally dont think that Ali did anything like that. The other women claims have been pretty rubbish and without proof of course.
 
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