Find express fast bowlers in Pakistan

[pacesensation]

I don't post a lot here as I think that Pakistan will only be a world beater of 90s and late 80s, only if they get their bowling sorted out.

I feel kinda happy to see this thread

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ted-Fast-Bowlers-in-Pakistan-Domestic-Cricket

however, I will only go with Atif Jabbar and Muhammad Abbas.
If Atif Jabbar can bowl around 145 on such phattas then he can crank it upto 151-154 in Australia

Further regarding Muhammad Abbas, as you can see, he was bowled batters with full length deliveries. Now that can only happen if he is bowling not at 130 not at 135 but at least around 142-145 range.

(its not the kind of pace I wanted but for now even this will do)

Regards

 

[ExpressPacer]

Express fast bowlers around the world seem to be the norm these days. Almost every team is producing quality fast bowlers who can rank it up to 150 KPH.

Australia being the perfect example:

Mitchell Starc.
Stanlake.
Pat Cummins.
James Pattinson.

Even Josh Hazlewood operates in the 140's in limited overs cricket.

New Zealand also have a good express pace duo in Adam Milne and Lockie Ferguson - both very much capable of bowling over 150 KPH.

As for England, they have Mark Wood; whose pace we have all seen in the recently concluded Pakistan vs England series. They have Tymal Mills who bowls 150 KPH for fun. Then there is also Liam Plunkett who operates close to 150. Even Jordan bowls in the late 140's. With that, they even have other express pacers in County waiting for a call up, like one of the Overton brothers.

India have Varun Aaron and Umesh Yadav - both very much capable of bowling at 150. Actually, Aaron consistently bowls in the late 140's.

Even Sri Lanka have Express fast bowlers in Chameera and Lahiru Kumara. Both young bowlers bowling at frighteningly quick speeds. Sri Lanka, of all teams..

As for South Africa, they have Rabada and Steyn. Morkel too.

West Indies have Alzarri Joseph and Gabriel. And, I can bet they have someone even faster in their domestic set up.

Now, I'm not someone who's obsessed with pace and yes, I would much rather have a bowler who is fast medium but can swing it but I think having a couple of Express pacers never does you bad. Pakistan used to produce Express fast bowlers for fun. Sami, Shoaib, Zahid.. Now, it looks like we have no one who can bowl in the 140's to save his life. Yeah, sure, Wahab is there but I think here on, he will start losing his pace and his age will start catching up on him. What is the reason we have suddenly stopped producing bowlers who can bowl quick? The ones who did, Junaid, Amir, Irfan, lost the plot and have been reduced to bowling in the mid 130's, which not bad but not fast.

I think PCB needs to get serious about this and start training young boys early on. Get them to work on their core fitness, flexibility and muscle. Yes, pace is God gifted but raising 10-15 km is within man's reach. Pakistan cricket team is currently the only major team without any young bowlers who can bowl quick consistently.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Australia, South Africa, New Zealand & England have one thing in Common :

High Performance Centres


Ours NCA isn't even worthy of called a Performance Centre. It's just an Academy of 80's facilities.


What do High Performance Centres have :


1. High Tech equipment, Latest Biomechanic Apparatus

2. Qualified Bowling Coach

3. Biomechanist or Human Movement Expert

4. Qualified trainer

5. Qualified Nutritionist


When they see an Under 15, Under 17, Under 19 pacer who is gifted with Pace ie naturally bowls quicker than majority bowlers they pluck him from their and he enters the High Performance Centre. Scientifically bowling action is analysed and than Scientifically Top 3 fellows twinker with the action in order to improve mechanics and make it more efficient (biomechanically)


Work goes on.


When a bowler gets unfit Best treatment is given. There are best rehab facilities.


In Case a bowler experiences injuries in Int Cricket than if needed Actions are modified in order to relieve weaker areas of body say back or ankles.


Ferguson is a latest finished product of NZ High Performance Centres. And it's not over. There is a bowler named " Young " and another bowler whose name I am forgetting. They are work in progress and will be unleashed within next 2 years. Both will be consistently 145+kph.



Pakistan got lucky in 2008-2009 when we naturally got a teenager, a very skinny athletic bowler with a gifted highly efficient (biomechanically) action.

That kid while being officially 17 and unofficially 19 crossed 150 kph on Aussie speed guns thrice and crossed 145 kph four dozen times. Hitting 152-153 kph at peak.


This was all natural just like Zahid.



But this did not happen all of a sudden. When the kid was 12-13 he stunned Wasim Akram in a Pepsi Talent hunt program when he was bowling 130+kph.


PCB did not do anything for the kid for next 4 years. They neither had intent nor the workforce or equipment. But atleast could have helped him in areas of nutrition and training but they did not.



Now the bowler is struggling with fitness, technical issues of ball release during bowling stride, Action isn't exact copy of previous action, follow through isn't as strong as previous, banana shape isn't formed while delivering (action issue) performances are way down.


Guess it just need 1 or 2 months in a High Performance Centre to revive previous Amir and to make his body stronger aswell to be able to bowl FAST. Modern day Fast bowlers have to be strong, lean, muscular.

Starc bowled Fastest ball of the 3rd Test in his 3rd or 4th Spell. It was 152kph. For this you need strength, power, Muscle, Energy.


When Ryan Haris was an okayish IPL bowler. Look what the High Performance centre made him ? His action improved after the age of 28-29, his physique improved, his speed improved. With improvement of action his swing improved, his control vastly improved and he became a strike force in Test Cricket.


Remember the resurgence of Mitchell Starc ? When the world thought that his Career is over. He rules International Cricket for 2 years post resurgence. It needed 6 months of work behind the scene.


Yes Amir has been signed by Essex but I highly doubt if he could work in their High Performance Centre for 2 months. At most pre season they will give him an oppurtunity to train with other guys for a week may be and that’s it. They haven't signed him to Develop him



Is NCA capable of making Atif Jabbar a peak Malinga ? When he has all the ingredients ? No.

A high performance centre could make Atif Jabbar a peak Malinga surely.




Our System is way way behind. We just expect natural god gifted talent to show up and make Pakistan team in a year or two. Stories like Waqar, Shoaib, Zahid. That's it.

 

[wrongun]

Sadly it sounds like the decline of the WI, just delayed a couple of decades as the much larger population helped keep finding fluke naturals for longer, even without facilities or money.

Eventually though, lack of proper investment means the rest of the world can just overtake. Coaches have been slowly taking steps to professionalise the Pakistan set-up in a modern way but you're right it really needs some quicker, more radical steps.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Australia, South Africa, New Zealand & England have one thing in Common :

High Performance Centres


Ours NCA isn't even worthy of called a Performance Centre. It's just an Academy of 80's facilities.


What do High Performance Centres have :


1. High Tech equipment, Latest Biomechanic Apparatus

2. Qualified Bowling Coach

3. Biomechanist or Human Movement Expert

4. Qualified trainer

5. Qualified Nutritionist


When they see an Under 15, Under 17, Under 19 pacer who is gifted with Pace ie naturally bowls quicker than majority bowlers they pluck him from their and he enters the High Performance Centre. Scientifically bowling action is analysed and than Scientifically Top 3 fellows twinker with the action in order to improve mechanics and make it more efficient (biomechanically)


Work goes on.


When a bowler gets unfit Best treatment is given. There are best rehab facilities.


In Case a bowler experiences injuries in Int Cricket than if needed Actions are modified in order to relieve weaker areas of body say back or ankles.


Ferguson is a latest finished product of NZ High Performance Centres. And it's not over. There is a bowler named " Young " and another bowler whose name I am forgetting. They are work in progress and will be unleashed within next 2 years. Both will be consistently 145+kph.



Pakistan got lucky in 2008-2009 when we naturally got a teenager, a very skinny athletic bowler with a gifted highly efficient (biomechanically) action.

That kid while being officially 17 and unofficially 19 crossed 150 kph on Aussie speed guns thrice and crossed 145 kph four dozen times. Hitting 152-153 kph at peak.


This was all natural just like Zahid.



But this did not happen all of a sudden. When the kid was 12-13 he stunned Wasim Akram in a Pepsi Talent hunt program when he was bowling 130+kph.


PCB did not do anything for the kid for next 4 years. They neither had intent nor the workforce or equipment. But atleast could have helped him in areas of nutrition and training but they did not.



Now the bowler is struggling with fitness, technical issues of ball release during bowling stride, Action isn't exact copy of previous action, follow through isn't as strong as previous, banana shape isn't formed while delivering (action issue) performances are way down.


Guess it just need 1 or 2 months in a High Performance Centre to revive previous Amir and to make his body stronger aswell to be able to bowl FAST. Modern day Fast bowlers have to be strong, lean, muscular.

Starc bowled Fastest ball of the 3rd Test in his 3rd or 4th Spell. It was 152kph. For this you need strength, power, Muscle, Energy.


When Ryan Haris was an okayish IPL bowler. Look what the High Performance centre made him ? His action improved after the age of 28-29, his physique improved, his speed improved. With improvement of action his swing improved, his control vastly improved and he became a strike force in Test Cricket.


Remember the resurgence of Mitchell Starc ? When the world thought that his Career is over. He rules International Cricket for 2 years post resurgence. It needed 6 months of work behind the scene.


Yes Amir has been signed by Essex but I highly doubt if he could work in their High Performance Centre for 2 months. At most pre season they will give him an oppurtunity to train with other guys for a week may be and that’s it. They haven't signed him to Develop him



Is NCA capable of making Atif Jabbar a peak Malinga ? When he has all the ingredients ? No.

A high performance centre could make Atif Jabbar a peak Malinga surely.




Our System is way way behind. We just expect natural god gifted talent to show up and make Pakistan team in a year or two. Stories like Waqar, Shoaib, Zahid. That's it.

Yes. Very true. The PCB needs to take some steps in order to polish its talent. We have only gotten lucky up until now because of having a very big population. If no steps are taking at this stage, I don't think Pakistan will be able to produce quality quicks in the future.

Another important aspect of this is that not only would a High Performance Centre increase pace and fitness of the players but also make them less injury prone. A lot of our players, especially fast bowlers have had huge problems with injuries, examples are Junaid Khan and Irfan. These injuries not only take them out for a long time but also change them as players.

I'm hoping that Essex work on Mohammad Amir. We don't play a lot of cricket in 2017-18 so if he gets retained for next year, they might send him to one of the High Performance Centers for a longer time where he can build on his pace and add some muscle.

However, I do think that Shahryar Khan and Najam Sethi are the best thing that have happened to PCB in recent times despite them not being very good. I'm sincerely hoping that at least one high performance center is launched and I think we may get to see one in the near future because otherwise we are headed the same way as Zimbabwe because it was only our bowling that saved us some respect all these years.