Finds of PSL 2017

[NauV]

So now that we are well into PSL 2017, would love to see the views of PPers on emerging talent . .

I have identified 4 that have highly impressed me:

1.) Usama Mir (Karachi Kings): Tall, decent line and length . . turns the ball and has a decent googly . . For me, he needs to be drafted into the LOI team for Pakistan immediately . . Looks very good . . He looked good last time too, but unfortauntely got injured! I believe he can also use the long handle, albeit I haven't seen it.

2.) Shadab Khan (Islamabad United): Very very promising! I love his attitude . . he is a very good bowler too . . very young! and a brilliant fielder . . very vibrant in the field . . I think this guy really has a future with Pakistan . . I would put Usama Mir in the LOI team for now just because of his experience . . but Shadab Khan right behind him! One for the future definitely!

3.) Hassan Khan (Quetta Gladiators): Another very good find . . He seems to be another Mohammad Nawaz (although M. Nawaz took a lot more wickets last year) . . and he seems to be a decent bat as well! Although, I would still have Nawaz as my first guy in the LOI team, Hassan Khan can definitely be his competition

4.) Mohammad Irfan Jr. (Lahore Qalandars): Now this guy is the one I am really excited about, however . . let me say! He is no where NEAR ready for international cricket right now! But there is a lot to like about him . . He is very tall . . his bowling action is a lot more upright than mohammad irfan (senior), so he can get more bounce . . Irfan (senior) collapses on delivery stride so doesn't get the most of his height . . This guy bowls good yorkers as well (even though he got pummelled by KP today . . but thats fine . . all part of the learning . . KP has decimated some serious bowlers around the world) . . Things to work on for him would be . . firstly, pace! He is averaging low 130s . . with his height . . he needs to build some muscle and get to an average of 140 km/hr . . His run up is all over the place . . get his run up sorted, which will help his momentum into the crease which will also help his pace . . Anyway . . a lot to like about this guy . . I think he is a good prospect should he work hard!

 

[dhump]

Shadab Khan is by far the best emerging player..It is unfortunate that Amad Butt is not tried enough I think he deserves his chance not sure he is considered emerging player or not.

 

[Rayyman]

I think Ghulam Mudassar is more ready than Irfan Jr. I really want to see him bowl.

 

[Mamoon]

Usama is not exactly a PSL find, because he was known prior to this edition, but Hassan and Shadab have been impressive. Irfan is not international material.

The big disappointment for me is that apart from Fakhar who I don't think is cut for international cricket either, no young Pakistani batsmen has stood up and shown that he has got what it takes to become a star for Pakistan, which pretty much sums the lack of available talent in the country, irrespective of what the likes of McCullum are paid to say.

The three best innings in the PSL so far by Pakistani batsmen have been played by Kamran, Sarfraz and Babar, followed by some decent knocks by Malik and Zaman, which is just sad.

 

[Rayyman]

Usama is not exactly a PSL find, because he was known prior to this edition, but Hassan and Shadab have been impressive. Irfan is not international material.

The big disappointment for me is that apart from Fakhar who I don't think is cut for international cricket either, no young Pakistani batsmen has stood up and shown that he has got what it takes to become a star for Pakistan, which pretty much sums the lack of available talent in the country, irrespective of what the likes of McCullum are paid to say.

The three best innings in the PSL so far by Pakistani batsmen have been played by Kamran, Sarfraz and Babar, followed by some decent knocks by Malik and Zaman, which is just sad.

Babar is a great young talent; But he does have experience. So you mean that nobody new has established himself. A big reason for this is the foreign batsman like Billings, Morgan, Roy, McCullum, Gayle, etc. hogging spots for youngsters.

 

[Ellipsism]

Usama is not exactly a PSL find, because he was known prior to this edition, but Hassan and Shadab have been impressive. Irfan is not international material.

The big disappointment for me is that apart from Fakhar who I don't think is cut for international cricket either, no young Pakistani batsmen has stood up and shown that he has got what it takes to become a star for Pakistan, which pretty much sums the lack of available talent in the country, irrespective of what the likes of McCullum are paid to say.

The three best innings in the PSL so far by Pakistani batsmen have been played by Kamran, Sarfraz and Babar, followed by some decent knocks by Malik and Zaman, which is just sad.

You can't just give blatant statements like player X isn't international material. If you would offer some reasoning behind your statement that would be most appreciated.

 

[Hasan123]

Agree with the 4 you have given.

 

[Mamoon]

You can't just give blatant statements like player X isn't international material. If you would offer some reasoning behind your statement that would be most appreciated.

The reasons have been discussed in other threads. Don't feel like repeating myself on this.

 

[RehanG]

What i dislike is all of them are (spinners!!!) barring Irfan (who is for sure not ready) but others are very good spinners and will represent Pakistan one day for sure.

But where are batsmen? and 140+ bowlers..

 

[Mamoon]

Babar is a great young talent; But he does have experience. So you mean that nobody new has established himself. A big reason for this is the foreign batsman like Billings, Morgan, Roy, McCullum, Gayle, etc. hogging spots for youngsters.

That is my point. Apart from Zaman, the rest are known players. Babar performing is nothing to shout about because we know that he is a quality player and the best young batsman in Pakistan.

The big reason is not the foreigners but the fact that we are well behind other teams when it comes to producing dynamic batsmen. PSL has simply exposed that weakness.

Let's see how many season it takes for PSL to unearth a batting star. Sharjeel played for Pakistan before the PSL, so he doesn't count either.

 

[aloo paratha]

You can't just give blatant statements like player X isn't international material. If you would offer some reasoning behind your statement that would be most appreciated.

Slow, not consistent enough with his line and length.

 

[Barragan]

I was impressed with Hassan Khan today.

Flat wicket, but he held his nerve and bowled in the right areas.

His counterpart Nawaz on the other hand, kept on bowling poorly and later on was feeding Delport on the leg-side to be hit.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Usama is not exactly a PSL find, because he was known prior to this edition, but Hassan and Shadab have been impressive. Irfan is not international material.

The big disappointment for me is that apart from Fakhar who I don't think is cut for international cricket either, no young Pakistani batsmen has stood up and shown that he has got what it takes to become a star for Pakistan, which pretty much sums the lack of available talent in the country, irrespective of what the likes of McCullum are paid to say.

The three best innings in the PSL so far by Pakistani batsmen have been played by Kamran, Sarfraz and Babar, followed by some decent knocks by Malik and Zaman, which is just sad.

Young batsmen not coming throught in this edition is also voiced by ian bishop today in the post match talk

Also the young batsmen from pak domestics who has the potential are as follows

imam ul haq, sami aslam, saad ali, saud shaqeel, jaahid ali and hussain talat..

But none of them got selected for this edition except Hussain talat who is also on the wrong side where only old players and captain friends are preferred...

the pakistani batsmen playing in this PSL and are batting from 1-5 are

IU - MISBAH, RIFFAT joined now after SHARJEEL gone
PZ - HAFEEZ, KAMRAN, MAQSOOD
KK - BABAR, MALIK (no more chances to shahzaib after he was questioned and cleared not sure why)
LQ - ZAMAN, UMAR AKMAL, RIZWAN
QG - SHEHZAD, SARFRAZ

Who is the new face here ? Only ZAMAN and he is the top scorer among all of them already...

Why do u say ZAMAN not cut for int'l cricket is it because he slogs leg side, he has a good and much better off-side game too compared to sharjeel of early days but he is given the license by the captain to go all out attack from the word go and he is delivering for his captain..

This PSL hasn't find any young batting talent because they are either not selected in the squad or in the playing 11 as the seniors tend to dominate them and play their friends above them...

This guy shadab khan is much better batsman than Imran khalid but whenever Imran Khalid gets a game he is batting above Shadab and also asif ali (who is actually lucky to get a PSL contract i believe)

 

[Ellipsism]

Slow, not consistent enough with his line and length.

That's more to do with technical aspects rather than raw ability.

I wouldn't say Irfan is slow, rather his pace is very inconsistent. Bowls a few at 135 kph+ and then some in the highly 120's

 

[aloo paratha]

That's more to do with technical aspects rather than raw ability.

I wouldn't say Irfan is slow, rather his pace is very inconsistent. Bowls a few at 135 kph+ and then some in the highly 120's

Exactly, he's not good enough. Doesn't mean he'll never be.

 

[Ellipsism]

Exactly, he's not good enough. Doesn't mean he'll never be.

There's a fine line between not good enough and not ready.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Another thread should be made for talents warming the bench and talents not purchased at all in the squad selection during the draft..

 

[Speedster777]

Talented youngsters are never picked by these franchises and even if they do pick one or two they warm the bench to allow the old TTFs to play. Rubbish league.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I hope in the new draft on 22nd feb they bring in some young batsmen.... I also feel that this league is simply next to MCL when it comes to playing veterans...If we look at the foreign players of the top 6 teams, all of them are not in contention for their national team selections except Sam Billings and Morgan...and yes from bangladesh we have their main players in shakib, tamim and mahmudhullah, which is just a reciprocity for Pak players playing in BPL... clearly need more teams and more players from the next season...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Talented youngsters are never picked by these franchises and even if they do pick one or two they warm the bench to allow the old TTFs to play. Rubbish league.

yes the TTFs are given this league to showcase their batting to get another a year of free ride in the national team but still TTFs being TTFs and failing every day even in this league...I dont see any motive in grooming young batsmen from pak, it is all TTFs and no new faces except ZAMAN who has already scored more runs than the TTFs...

 

[Hasan123]

Young batsmen not coming throught in this edition is also voiced by ian bishop today in the post match talk

Also the young batsmen from pak domestics who has the potential are as follows

imam ul haq, sami aslam, saad ali, saud shaqeel, jaahid ali and hussain talat..

But none of them got selected for this edition except Hussain talat who is also on the wrong side where only old players and captain friends are preferred...

the pakistani batsmen playing in this PSL and are batting from 1-5 are

IU - MISBAH, RIFFAT joined now after SHARJEEL gone
PZ - HAFEEZ, KAMRAN, MAQSOOD
KK - BABAR, MALIK (no more chances to shahzaib after he was questioned and cleared not sure why)
LQ - ZAMAN, UMAR AKMAL, RIZWAN
QG - SHEHZAD, SARFRAZ

Who is the new face here ? Only ZAMAN and he is the top scorer among all of them already...

Why do u say ZAMAN not cut for int'l cricket is it because he slogs leg side, he has a good and much better off-side game too compared to sharjeel of early days but he is given the license by the captain to go all out attack from the word go and he is delivering for his captain..

This PSL hasn't find any young batting talent because they are either not selected in the squad or in the playing 11 as the seniors tend to dominate them and play their friends above them...

This guy shadab khan is much better batsman than Imran khalid but whenever Imran Khalid gets a game he is batting above Shadab and also asif ali (who is actually lucky to get a PSL contract i believe)

Agree with your point about young batsmen not getting selected. Hardly any new batters other than Fakhar are being given games.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=137698]ask_analyse_act[/MENTION]

The worrying sign regarding Zaman has been that he has looked unconvincing against anything above 135 kph. It isn't technical, but he has been late on the ball. That shows that he doesn't have the reflexes to play bowling at that speed and that is where the element of natural talent comes into play.

We will continue to produce players who will hold their own against SL, WI, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe etc., but Zaman doesn't seem like the type of player who can do well against the quality pacers of other teams. He probably deserves a chance based on his PSL performances, but I don't see him as someone who can the fortunes of the team like Sharjeel did of late.

 

[aloo paratha]

There's a fine line between not good enough and not ready.

Same thing IMO. ATM he's not good enough because he'll get smacked. Call it not ready or not good enough, doesn't really make a difference.

 

[o_ahsan99]

Not only is there a lack of emerging Pakistani batsmen, very few "Pakistani" batsmen have performed consistently at this years PSL. I think only Sarfraz and Zaman have consistently played good innings. Yes, we have had Kamran play a good innings, Misbah scored a 70 odd, the other day Babar Azam scored a 50, but these were just one off knocks. The likes of Babar Azam, Shahzaib Hasan, Ahmed Shehzad, Kamran Akmal, Umer Akmal, Sohaib Maqsood and Shoaib Malik should have had greater influence in this PSL. These guys should be winning games consistently for their franchises.

 

[Rayyman]

Agree with your point about young batsmen not getting selected. Hardly any new batters other than Fakhar are being given games.

Are they any new batsman sitting in dressing room or carrying drinks? Can you name them?

 

[ask_analyse_act]

[MENTION=137698]ask_analyse_act[/MENTION]

The worrying sign regarding Zaman has been that he has looked unconvincing against anything above 135 kph. It isn't technical, but he has been late on the ball. That shows that he doesn't have the reflexes to play bowling at that speed and that is where the element of natural talent comes into play.

We will continue to produce players who will hold their own against SL, WI, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe etc., but Zaman doesn't seem like the type of player who can do well against the quality pacers of other teams. He probably deserves a chance based on his PSL performances, but I don't see him as someone who can the fortunes of the team like Sharjeel did of late.

Not sure if ur following him from the domestics because i didnt , but he did well in the A-tour to England i guess where pitches are good for pace, bounce and swing... It can also be that he is trying to swing too hard at everything according to his captain's desire... we have to wait and watch

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Are they any new batsman sitting in dressing room or carrying drinks? Can you name them?

hussain talat is one of them, i think one more guy named Noor wali was selected by quetta but not sure he is a batsman or bowler...

What about Hammad Azam , i think he was with IU last season, how about now?

 

[Saj]

Worrying that all 4 are bowlers.

Shadab is a decent bat although we've not seen it yet at the PSL.

Fakhar Zaman has enhanced his reputation and should have earned himself a place on the tour of West Indies.

 

[Hasan123]

hussain talat is one of them, i think one more guy named Noor wali was selected by quetta but not sure he is a batsman or bowler...

What about Hammad Azam , i think he was with IU last season, how about now?

Hammad was with Lahore, this season he wasn't selected.

 

[Hasan123]

Are they any new batsman sitting in dressing room or carrying drinks? Can you name them?

Can't think of anyone off top of my head. But some batsmen who went unsold in the auction, Saud Shakeel, Nauman Anwar, Saad Ali,Imam ul Haq.

 

[Rayyman]

hussain talat is one of them, i think one more guy named Noor wali was selected by quetta but not sure he is a batsman or bowler...

What about Hammad Azam , i think he was with IU last season, how about now?

Yes. Khushdil Shah, Saif Badar, Shahzaib Hasan, Aamer Yamin, Hasan Mohsin, Umar Amin and Bismillah Khan are there too; But they are not getting chances behind the TTFs. Noor Wali is a bowler btw. I think.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Worrying that all 4 are bowlers.

Shadab is a decent bat although we've not seen it yet at the PSL.

Fakhar Zaman has enhanced his reputation and should have earned himself a place on the tour of West Indies.

If u can reach out to MISBAH please tell him to stop sending Imran Khalid ahead of Shadab, is very infuriating to watch..

Also to note today in the post match press - conf with RAMBO , MISBAH is uninterested to praise Amad Butt who hit the winning run in a thriller and didnt notice whether he mentioned shadab's contribution with the ball..Moreover when shadab was interviewed by Bazid khan after the match he didnt say that MISBAH is guiding them.... It brings up a question as if MISBAH is venting his grudge on the younger players for him not being selected in his early days in the past...

 

[Fitness_era]

I think the selectors should pick more Pakistani top order batsman next year.
There are:
Ahmed shezad
Babar azam
Fakhar zaman
Kamran akmal

The selectors are picking too much bowlers.

 

[Mamoon]

Not sure if ur following him from the domestics because i didnt , but he did well in the A-tour to England i guess where pitches are good for pace, bounce and swing... It can also be that he is trying to swing too hard at everything according to his captain's desire... we have to wait and watch

I didn't get to see much before the PSL, so only going by what I've seen him so far. Excellent against spin but mediocre against pace, we already have plenty of such batsmen.

The weakness against fast bowling is the major reason why we are so far behind in Limited Overs batting. Most players can block against 140+ bowling, but not many can play shots against such pace, and our ODI team only has two such players. Well, one now since the other one is gone for good.

 

[NauV]

Definitely pertinent points about the lack of batting talent! You can clearly see the gulf between foreign stars/ Pakistani international team batsman and other local players . .

 

[super hitter]

Shadab Khan is by far the best emerging player..It is unfortunate that Amad Butt is not tried enough I think he deserves his chance not sure he is considered emerging player or not.

Hasan Khan is way too good and consistent to compare with others, despite his young and thin physique, he's an amazing fielder as well and such a positive batsman who plays more for the team unlike babar azam who just works on building a big innings

 

[super hitter]

Usman Shinwari seems good as well

 

[MMHS]

I think, there are few young spinners in show, only because spinners were given chances. Shadab, Hasan, Mir, last year Nawaz & Asghar were given matches & they did perform. Most disappointing is that every franchise even didn't select any young batsmen for squad or in emerging category. I don't think it's because of lack of talent - rather it's mostly due to nepotism & lack of knowledge about domestic players.

I am not sure how much or less talented are Ahsan Ali, Zain Abbas, Imam, Saad Ali, Saud, Muzammil, Aga Salman, Sallauddin, Hamad or U19 Zeeshan are, but they can't be worse than Rifatullah or Asif Zakir or Manzoor or Saad Nasim (who was played as specialist bat) & obviously MoHa. It can't be the case of T20 specialization for some young batmen as Azhar Ali is picked in LQ squad & Asad is opening. Also, apart from few known faces like Babar (that too for Arthur, otherwise Shahzaib would have played instead to him by 3rd match), hardly any team has given any chance to local batsmen - Haris & Shahzaib dropped after couple of matches, Khushdil didn't get a chance so far while while QG didn't even try Amin in 5 matches & opened with Asad.

Obviously franchise based T20 leagues will pick foreigners mostly for batting (even in IPL as that's the case), therefore 5 teams are too little for young, unknown batsmen; but I think those who were behind selecting players, either don't have any clue of local batsmen, hence just went for known faces or they picked their buddies.

May be PCB needs to enforce 2 emerging players in playing XI with one dedicated slot for emerging batsman. Still, as long as PSL's average age doesn't come down to 25 level, don't think it'll help finding any batsman. MoHa, Malik, Kamran, Misbah, Afridi .... will be playing till their mid 40s as the support batsman of the foreigners.

Nothing to mention about pacers, because these are the worst possible wickets for any young pacer. They could have tried few all-rounders, but only Amad & Yamin were picked & Yamin didn't get a game yet.

 

[Slog]

Babar is a great young talent; But he does have experience. So you mean that nobody new has established himself. A big reason for this is the foreign batsman like Billings, Morgan, Roy, McCullum, Gayle, etc. hogging spots for youngsters.

Foreign batsmen are hogging the spots purely because the youngsters aren't good enough and that is for all to see

 

[Slog]

Can't think of anyone off top of my head. But some batsmen who went unsold in the auction, Saud Shakeel, Nauman Anwar, Saad Ali,Imam ul Haq.

Said Shakeel may not be in tune with modern one day cricket let alone T20s

Nauman played last year and was up to no good and it was clear that he isn't the real deal

Imam Ul Haq lacks the aggressive game but should have been in the squads for the experience though he wouldn't have played

Saad Ali I don't know much about

Point is no potential superstar is there otherwise they would have played

 

[MightyObnoxious]

Usama is not exactly a PSL find, because he was known prior to this edition, but Hassan and Shadab have been impressive. Irfan is not international material.

The big disappointment for me is that apart from Fakhar who I don't think is cut for international cricket either, no young Pakistani batsmen has stood up and shown that he has got what it takes to become a star for Pakistan, which pretty much sums the lack of available talent in the country, irrespective of what the likes of McCullum are paid to say.

The three best innings in the PSL so far by Pakistani batsmen have been played by Kamran, Sarfraz and Babar, followed by some decent knocks by Malik and Zaman, which is just sad.

Why would you say that? I really liked Fakhar, he can really hit big and seems to be able to rotate the strike too. Also, seems like he has learned from Roy and Mcculum and have adopted some of their traning regimes, which he acknowledged in his Geo interview. Plus, he can bowl.

 

[MightyObnoxious]

Another player I liked is Irfan Jnr, yes he got pummeled but then again, he is raw, needs to be worked on. Has all the raw ingredients, height, action, yorker, plus is a decent fielder too. Should be worked on. I specially liked how he was asked to bowl the last overs by Mcculum against Karachi. That would also give him experience.

 

[Ellipsism]

Why would you say that? I really liked Fakhar, he can really hit big and seems to be able to rotate the strike too. Also, seems like he has learned from Roy and Mcculum and have adopted some of their traning regimes, which he acknowledged in his Geo interview. Plus, he can bowl.

Can't play pace.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Shadab and Hassan Khan.

 

[Madplayer]

Said Shakeel may not be in tune with modern one day cricket let alone T20s

Nauman played last year and was up to no good and it was clear that he isn't the real deal

Imam Ul Haq lacks the aggressive game but should have been in the squads for the experience though he wouldn't have played

Saad Ali I don't know much about

Point is no potential superstar is there otherwise they would have played

Saud shakeel is the best upcoming left handed batsman in Pakistan. Yes i said BEST.

 

[shah_1]

Peshawar is the only team that is not playing new young players

Islamabad
Shahdab Khan
Ammad Butt

Quetta
Hasan Khan

Lahore

Muhmmad Irfan

Karachi

Abrar Ahmed
Usama Mir
Usman

 

[saeed5646]

Peshawar is the only team that is not playing new young players

Islamabad
Shahdab Khan
Ammad Butt

Quetta
Hasan Khan

Lahore

Muhmmad Irfan

Karachi

Abrar Ahmed
Usama Mir
Usman

Well they have khushdil shah warming the bench that too after the horrendous performance from hafeez .this is just ridiclous from them

 

[Hawkeye]

Saud shakeel is the best upcoming left handed batsman in Pakistan. Yes i said BEST.

For Tests, Saud and Imam are competing.

Bug like [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] said, they aren't really what you want in this LOI era.

Would still give them a chance over Hafeez, Malik and Rizwan though. And see how and if they develop hitting ability.

But Mickey Arthur and Inzi are all talk! They will never drop these 3 or 4 seniors.

 

[Barragan]

Well they have khushdil shah warming the bench that too after the horrendous performance from hafeez .this is just ridiclous from them

Khusdil is in the supplementary picks.

He can't play, unless a local player gets injured.

Every team gets the chance to activate one of their suppl. picks, but don't know if PZ have or not.

 

[yasir]

[MENTION=137698]ask_analyse_act[/MENTION]

The worrying sign regarding Zaman has been that he has looked unconvincing against anything above 135 kph. It isn't technical, but he has been late on the ball. That shows that he doesn't have the reflexes to play bowling at that speed and that is where the element of natural talent comes into play.

We will continue to produce players who will hold their own against SL, WI, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe etc., but Zaman doesn't seem like the type of player who can do well against the quality pacers of other teams. He probably deserves a chance based on his PSL performances, but I don't see him as someone who can the fortunes of the team like Sharjeel did of late.

That's the right assessment, but reasons are technical rather pure reflexes... He is late on the ball because he does not read the length correctly, plus does not have a balance and back foot game...You cannot play express pace without strong backfoot game...You will hardly see a western player who cannot play at back foot, you just cannot survive there without strong backfoot strokes...Lack of backfoot game means you cannot play pull and cut or back foot drive... These are technical conditioning issues rather than lack of reflexes....

He also tries to make every thing half volley on both sides, again lack of backfoot game... These bad habits are developed because of Pakistan domestic pitches, to me its more of reflection of domestic pitches than talent...If we are not going to improve that we are not going to get strong backfoot players, which we need desperately

On the contrary, 18/20 years old spinners are looking lot more mature than medium fast bowlers...Again, it reflects the kind of pitches we have in domestic...Pakistan is becoming more like India of 90s, where there are too many spinners not enough fast bowlers...Now we don't have single young fast bowler in the PSL... Fastest bowler is Sami, who happens to be the oldest as well

 

[arehaan]

That's the right assessment, but reasons are technical rather pure reflexes... He is late on the ball because he does not read the length correctly, plus does not have a balance and back foot game...You cannot play express pace without strong backfoot game...You will hardly see a western player who cannot play at back foot, you just cannot survive there without strong backfoot strokes...Lack of backfoot game means you cannot play pull and cut or back foot drive... These are technical conditioning issues rather than lack of reflexes....

He also tries to make every thing half volley on both sides, again lack of backfoot game... These bad habits are developed because of Pakistan domestic pitches, to me its more of reflection of domestic pitches than talent...If we are not going to improve that we are not going to get strong backfoot players, which we need desperately

On the contrary, 18/20 years old spinners are looking lot more mature than medium fast bowlers...Again, it reflects the kind of pitches we have in domestic...Pakistan is becoming more like India of 90s, where there are too many spinners not enough fast bowlers...Now we don't have single young fast bowler in the PSL... Fastest bowler is Sami, who happens to be the oldest as well

I dont think this PSL is giving any reflection of the actual talent in Pak. Whatever, little we have seen has been very impressive but others are pure recycled players well past there prime who are playing more on there ties with existing Pak team member for e.g. Asif, Ajmal, Rafatullah, Imran Khalid, Asad Shafiq, Maqsood and the list goes on and on. Not enough youngsters getting the opportunities hence this season has been very disappointing. The total shocker for me is no Mohammed Asghar who for me is the best spinner in Pak at the moment and on the verge of international break through yet the way he is being put on bench especially on spin tracks is beyond me.

 

[yasir]

I dont think this PSL is giving any reflection of the actual talent in Pak. Whatever, little we have seen has been very impressive but others are pure recycled players well past there prime who are playing more on there ties with existing Pak team member for e.g. Asif, Ajmal, Rafatullah, Imran Khalid, Asad Shafiq, Maqsood and the list goes on and on. Not enough youngsters getting the opportunities hence this season has been very disappointing. The total shocker for me is no Mohammed Asghar who for me is the best spinner in Pak at the moment and on the verge of international break through yet the way he is being put on bench especially on spin tracks is beyond me.

This is wishful thinking, we don't have a single modern cricketer in PSL or domestic Cricket...By modern cricketer I mean a bowler who can bowl at 145 clicks or batsmen who can bat 145 SR against seamers... I don't care about million of spinners or batsmen who can play spin, that is nothing special, business as usual...We are not moving forward until we get modern players...PCB and domestic resources should be focus only on producing modern cricketers, we can come up with million of excuses but that's not going to help....

 

[Syed1]

We found out that Umar Akmal is beyond useless now

 

[saeed5646]

Khusdil is in the supplementary picks.

He can't play, unless a local player gets injured.

Every team gets the chance to activate one of their suppl. picks, but don't know if PZ have or not.

may be thats the reason

 

[pacesensation]

Unless and until a good express fast bowler is not unearthed then anything below that would be average. Since pakistan is a bowling oriented team.

No Muhammad Irfan jnr is not one of those
hasan ali is short and slow

Regards

 

[Syed1]

We need batsmen and pacers.

Fakhar may replace Sharjeel but the jury is still out on him. Haris hasn't gotten any chances so don't think he will be in the WI squad. Maqsood hasn't done well either. None of the teams have played any new, young batsmen apart from Zaman in LQ. Rizwan has done well and more importantly much better than super duper talented Akmal. However, we know what to expect from Rizwan at international level.

In terms of pacers only two new pacers are playing the tournament and those are Shinwari and Irfan Jr. Both have multitude of problems which may prevent them from being top-flight bowlers at international level. I'd like to see Ghulam Mudassir and see what all the hype is about.

Pace bowling alrounders in Amad and Hussain aren't getting many chances because of you-know-who.

 

[Brilliance]

may be thats the reason

Grant Elliot was also in the supplementary list for Lahore but he played many games.

 

[saeed5646]

Grant Elliot was also in the supplementary list for Lahore but he played many games.

foreign players can be picked even if they are in supplementary list the rule is only for local players

 

[Brilliance]

Told it before that Shadab Khan and Hassan Khan are going to be watch out for among the young players. They have proved me right. But Shadab has performed more than I expected.

 

[Brilliance]

But one thing I rue is that Shadab hasn't got the chance with the bat. He is a very capable batsman.

 

[Finisher]

hussain talat is one of them, i think one more guy named Noor wali was selected by quetta but not sure he is a batsman or bowler...

What about Hammad Azam , i think he was with IU last season, how about now?

Noor Wali is a Batsman.

fomerly a cloth seller.

 

[NauV]

Usama Mir furthering his case . . gotta love the attitude . . Kumar Sangakkara, "Usama put his hand up and said I wanna bowl! " . . Brilliant from Usama!

 

[proud_pakistani]

There are only a handful of potential finds to really choose from. Most of the cricketers have played international cricket at some point or the other. Only really find is Fakhar Zaman who I guess will be given a chance in ODIs and T20s especially since there is a vacancy after Sharjeel.

Usama Mir played last year as well.

Shadab Khan is definetely a find along with Hasan Khan. Besides that not much. We wont really find many players with 5 teams. Also, its pathetic that Islamabad selected a 43 year old in Rafatullah to replace Sharjeel. Could they not have opted for a younger player like Imam Ul Haq.

 

[Saj]

But one thing I rue is that Shadab hasn't got the chance with the bat. He is a very capable batsman.

Yes as he has proved for Pakistan A.

 

[Mamoon]

That's the right assessment, but reasons are technical rather pure reflexes... He is late on the ball because he does not read the length correctly, plus does not have a balance and back foot game...You cannot play express pace without strong backfoot game...You will hardly see a western player who cannot play at back foot, you just cannot survive there without strong backfoot strokes...Lack of backfoot game means you cannot play pull and cut or back foot drive... These are technical conditioning issues rather than lack of reflexes....

He also tries to make every thing half volley on both sides, again lack of backfoot game... These bad habits are developed because of Pakistan domestic pitches, to me its more of reflection of domestic pitches than talent...If we are not going to improve that we are not going to get strong backfoot players, which we need desperately

On the contrary, 18/20 years old spinners are looking lot more mature than medium fast bowlers...Again, it reflects the kind of pitches we have in domestic...Pakistan is becoming more like India of 90s, where there are too many spinners not enough fast bowlers...Now we don't have single young fast bowler in the PSL... Fastest bowler is Sami, who happens to be the oldest as well

Picking the length early is entirely down to reflexes. That is why technically flawed players like Steve Smith, Dhoni etc. have been able to play genuine pace with ease.

Fakhar has some good qualities - picks the spinners from the hand and has quick feet and hands. Very good player of spin, but he doesn't have the game for genuine pace. Which means that he does not bring anything new to the table. Most of our players are good against spin but mediocre against pace.

 

[Sub-Zero]

teams are not giving enough chances to youngsters.
Zalmi literally cheated by selecting Hasan Ali as an emerging player. In addition to that, they are stupid enough to not play their best bowler from last season Asghar and not even giving a game to Khushdil, Instead they are persisting with Maqsood who is failing again and again.
They are now in trouble, and that's well deserved.

 

[Justcrazy]

Fakhar Zaman and Shadab should be picked for WI Tour

 

[Sub-Zero]

Fakhar Zaman and Shadab should be picked for WI Tour

absolutely. Hassaan too and if any aggressive batsman perform (high hopes from Khushdil and Mohsin) he should be included too, as well as a young fast bowler who performed the best (high hopes from Shinwari, Mir Hamza and Mudassir)

 

[Brilliance]

1 Fakhar.
2 Zeeshan. ( highly unlikely).
3 Babar.
4 Shadab.
5 Sarfaraz.
6 Malik.
7 Khushdil.
8 Hassan Khan.
9 Amir.
10 Hassan Ali.
11Wahab ( for experience).

Play Malik upto CT and promote Khushdil to 6 .

This team has a blend of youth and experience and will do well.

 

[srh]

How can a good young batsman like Saad Ali can perform when he is not even selected

 

[samiakh]

There are not that many unknown young Pakistani bats playing in the PSL. Fakhar and Khushdil really the only ones and only one of them has had an opportunity

 

[samiakh]

teams are not giving enough chances to youngsters.
Zalmi literally cheated by selecting Hasan Ali as an emerging player. In addition to that, they are stupid enough to not play their best bowler from last season Asghar and not even giving a game to Khushdil, Instead they are persisting with Maqsood who is failing again and again.
They are now in trouble, and that's well deserved.

Agree 100%

 

[Slog]

Usama Mir furthering his case . . gotta love the attitude . . Kumar Sangakkara, "Usama put his hand up and said I wanna bowl! " . . Brilliant from Usama!

why didnt he play a single FC game in this last season?

 

[saeed5646]

why didnt he play a single FC game in this last season?

due to serious back injury .he is injury prone

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Shadab Khan as a package.

 

[Saj]

why didnt he play a single FC game in this last season?

Back injury. He was working in uk with the same guy who Haris Sohail was working with.

 

[Ellipsism]

I've liked the look of Shinwari, should get the nod to be in the IT20 squad ahead of Raees.

 

[Saj]

Rafatullah Mohmand not mentioned on this thread - why not?

He's been the find of the PSL - great work by the IU think tank.

 

[NauV]

Rafatullah Mohmand not mentioned on this thread - why not?

He's been the find of the PSL - great work by the IU think tank.

Lol, he was also a find in 1985

 

[Naim]

That is my point. Apart from Zaman, the rest are known players. Babar performing is nothing to shout about because we know that he is a quality player and the best young batsman in Pakistan.

The big reason is not the foreigners but the fact that we are well behind other teams when it comes to producing dynamic batsmen. PSL has simply exposed that weakness.

Let's see how many season it takes for PSL to unearth a batting star. Sharjeel played for Pakistan before the PSL, so he doesn't count either.

apart from fakhar . which unknown player is playing ?