First Metro Bus, now Metro Train

[Mamoon]

I have spent a lot of time in Lahore and still do. These days, it's the most well developed city in the country and in better state than others. The good work of PML-N there cannot be undermined.

In my opinion, metro train is a great facility and not a waste of money. Very convenient and people are going to love it. There will always be better things to do, it's a never ending debate.

 

[Mamoon]

Is Lahore Punjab?

It's the capital of Punjab.

 

[96NotOut]

There's more to Pakistan than just Lahore/Punjab too.

We're being neglected.

 

[arsalan660]

There's more to Pakistan than just Lahore/Punjab too.

We're being neglected.

This is Punjab agreement with China.

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[waqar_ahmad]

^ police and healthcare in Lahore is better than that of any other city in Pakistan. Clearly the most well developed.

Police is lahore? I am not going to comment on the metro project, but your comment on lahori police shows how much you know.

I know you have fallen in love with NS but let's not go overboard

 

[arsalan660]

Police is lahore? I am not going to comment on the metro project, but your comment on lahori police shows how much you know.

I know you have fallen in love with NS but let's not go overboard

It's not the best but still way better than other cities.

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[Mamoon]

Police is lahore? I am not going to comment on the metro project, but your comment on lahori police shows how much you know.

I know you have fallen in love with NS but let's not go overboard

You surely have a better opinion about the police in Lahore sitting in India.

 

[Mamoon]

There's more to Pakistan than just Lahore/Punjab too.

We're being neglected.

Not only was Karachi leagues above any other city in Pakistan in the 90's, it was one of the best in Asia but unfortunately, it has self destructed in the last decade or so.

 

[battler]

You surely have a better opinion about the police in Lahore sitting in India.

He's not an Indian

 

[Mamoon]

He's not an Indian

Why does he have an Indian flag?

 

[battler]

Why does he have an Indian flag?

I remember him saying somewhere that he is not Indian.
If he is still here he should clear the confusion.

 

[Mamoon]

I remember him saying somewhere that he is not Indian.
If he is still here he should clear the confusion.

Yes he should.

 

[Mamoon]

It's not the best but still way better than other cities.

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Yes. I or no one claimed that security and medical facilities in Lahore are world class. No they aren't but compared to other major Pakistani cities, its clearly better.

 

[Alamgeer]

Showbaziyaan.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Yes he should.

He is Pakistani, I think he changed his flag over something related to cricket.

 

[amax]

There's more to Pakistan than just Lahore/Punjab too.

We're being neglected.

Karachi has itself to blame for lack of planning and execution, regardless of many faults Lahore always stayed proactive in terms of transport needs and did fine considering the developing world resources, you hardly see jams.Today because of incompetence of karachi city authorities JICA(Japan) has declined from financing Karachi Circular Railway as encroachments weren't cleared on time.

 

[96NotOut]

Not only was Karachi leagues above any other city in Pakistan in the 90's, it was one of the best in Asia but unfortunately, it has self destructed in the last decade or so.

That doesn't mean you stop working on it.

Wouldn't it be amazing if our politicians associated themselves with the whole country instead of just one place?

PML-N is to Punjab, esp Lahore, as PPP is to Sindh and MQM is to Karachi.

 

[waqar goraya]

This is Punjab agreement with China.

Nawaz can take CM Punjab or even his son on foreign tours but why not CMs of other provinces?

 

[Mamoon]

That doesn't mean you stop working on it.

Wouldn't it be amazing if our politicians associated themselves with the whole country instead of just one place?

PML-N is to Punjab, esp Lahore, as PPP is to Sindh and MQM is to Karachi.

Nawaz can take CM Punjab or even his son on foreign tours but why not CMs of other provinces?

He is heavily biased towards Punjab and Lahore. Who says he isn't.

 

[waqar_ahmad]

Yes he should.

I'm not Indian and yes I know a lot about Lahore. And the flag shouldn't have anything to do with the debate.

 

[Mamoon]

Why the Indian flag?

 

[waqar_ahmad]

Waisay he. It's fun

 

[Mamoon]

Okay.

 

[waqar_ahmad]

Love thy neighbor mamoon

 

[Mamoon]

I neither love or hate India. Its just like another country to me, but I did go there once and loved it.

 

[battler]

I neither love or hate India. Its just like another country to me, but I did go there once and loved it.

Where did u go?

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

I neither love or hate India. Its just like another country to me, but I did go there once and loved it.

Nor.

I don't understand the hate for India. Bear with it and move on.

 

[Kianig89]

Metro Train should not be the priority but since the Baldie Bro's like this show off then who can stop them

 

[Mamoon]

Nor.

I don't understand the hate for India. Bear with it and move on.

Yes, nor would be better.

 

[waqar goraya]

They are relying on ever increasing indirect taxes , further more increasing electricity and gas prices all the time and I think i should consider this 1.6 billion dollar cost of metro train a loan too but this is the austerity drive that is going on.

 

[Mamoon]

Where did u go?

Delhi, Mumbai, Jaipur and Amritsar. Crossed the Wagah border on bus.

In January 2007.

 

[Mamoon]

Metro Train should not be the priority but since the Baldie Bro's like this show off then who can stop them

Its a necessity not a luxury.

 

[Kianig89]

Its a necessity not a luxury.

there is a pecking order for necessities as well

 

[Mamoon]

there is a pecking order for necessities as well

They don't have to be achieved in a specific order.

 

[Kianig89]

^But food shelter education should come first

 

[battler]

Delhi, Mumbai, Jaipur and Amritsar. Crossed the Wagah border on bus.

In January 2007.

Did u see the army show in the wagah border?
Did u cross through chandigarh as well?

 

[Mamoon]

Not everyone can get food, shelter and education. Poverty will always exist.

 

[Mamoon]

Did u see the army show in the wagah border?
Did u cross through chandigarh as well?

I have seen that a dozen times. So childish and immature.

Went from Amritsar to Delhi by road. Passed through Chandigarh, Ludhiana, Ambala and few others which I don't remember now.

 

[battler]

I have seen that a dozen times. So childish and immature.

Went from Amritsar to Delhi by road. Passed through Chandigarh, Ludhiana, Ambala and few others which I don't remember now.

I haven't seen that though I had gone to Amristar once as we reached there after the evening show was over.
But yeah my mom has been there before and she found the army show to be very jingoistic as well.
Ludhiana is a terribly crowded and polluted city, though they are very rich

 

[Mamoon]

They have rich land lords?

 

[Mamoon]

I don't see the point of all that goes on the Wagah border.

 

[battler]

They have rich land lords?

There are many industries set up there.
Rich businessmen

 

[battler]

I don't see the point of all that goes on the Wagah border.

It is a show of patriotism for many

 

[DoosraTeesra]

It's a great project. Can't understand the disappointment of PTI lovers.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Chinese coaches (rail cars) are very poor quality, Our Mumbai Metro has same.

"Bidders for the contract included established metro-vehicle manufacturers such as Kawasaki, Alstom, Siemens and Bombardier, but CSR Nanjing of China was ultimately chosen."

Whereas Delhi has much superior Rail Cars from German, Sweden, Spain, South Korea.

 

[Lords]

Why so much hate for Metro project. It probably will be biggest intra-city project of independent pakistan.

Once you have a metro it will be hard to imagine life without it.

Delhi Metro carries 2.5 million people a day, if it wasnt there then one cannot imagine the traffic condition of Delhi.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Yeah infrastructure is must, roads/airports/metro will revive economy. Poverty cannot be eradicated by doles.

 

[Mamoon]

Its only appropriate if Imran pulls it off.

 

[Vegitto1]

It is not hate for the project. It is hate for neglect shown to all of Punjab bar Lahore. It is hate towards the mentality "not everyone can get food, education and shelter" as demonstrated by Mamoon.

Everyone SHOULD get food, education, shelter and medical treatment. Once we have these priorities sorted then we can move towards projects like Metro Train etc.

 

[arsalan660]

It is not hate for the project. It is hate for neglect shown to all of Punjab bar Lahore. It is hate towards the mentality "not everyone can get food, education and shelter" as demonstrated by Mamoon.

Everyone SHOULD get food, education, shelter and medical treatment. Once we have these priorities sorted then we can move towards projects like Metro Train etc.

I disagree a bit. Yes education, education electricity etc should be priorities but these thing need time to improve and it doesn't mean that you can't do any project before this. All priorities should go parallel whether it's infrastructure or food education etc

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[whatthewhat]

Meanwhile in KPK

 

[Lords]

It is not hate for the project. It is hate for neglect shown to all of Punjab bar Lahore. It is hate towards the mentality "not everyone can get food, education and shelter" as demonstrated by Mamoon.

Everyone SHOULD get food, education, shelter and medical treatment. Once we have these priorities sorted then we can move towards projects like Metro Train etc.

I think the hate is because in people's mind the Wrong person is doing the Right thing. Everyone imagined that NS will just do corruption, sit idle , and make common men's life miserable, where as they expected Captain khan to do the things which NS is doing.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Meanwhile in KPK

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It shouldn't overshadow the good work done by Sharif.

 

[waqar goraya]

Not everyone can get food, shelter and education. Poverty will always exist.

Flawed logic. I don't expect every one to get every basic necessity of this world but i want it for most of them.

 

[Mamoon]

^ I agree and it has nothing to do with Metro train which is a dire need of every big city.

 

[Vegitto1]

I think the hate is because in people's mind the Wrong person is doing the Right thing. Everyone imagined that NS will just do corruption, sit idle , and make common men's life miserable, where as they expected Captain khan to do the things which NS is doing.

Sharif family is a business family. To make money it is imperative that some sort of infrastructure development is always taking place. The steel, cement, bricks etc. is all from their factories.

What you won't see in institution building or improvement is services etc.

 

[waqar goraya]

It shouldn't overshadow the good work done by Sharif.

Have you been to a government hospital ever?

Have you tried to register a f.i.r in Police station?

How many government schools you have been to?

How many cities in Pakistan you have been to?

Do you know how many people don't have accessibility to drinking water even in the areas like Lahore and Islamabad?

And this is all because of lack of funds.

They are not bring this money from their own business that they deserve so much credit that you are trying to give.

 

[waqar goraya]

I am not against metro necessarily.

But it hurts me when they present a project like motorway, metro bus or metro train as their achievement to woo voters when they can't provide education, health or police services to a common man.. My mind can't tolerate such gimmicks when there is no justice for a common man in a office of this same government.

This also leaves frustration in the other backward areas of province or country.

 

[Mamoon]

Have you been to a government hospital ever?

Have you tried to register a f.i.r in Police station?

How many government schools you have been to?

How many cities in Pakistan you have been to?

Do you know how many people don't have accessibility to drinking water even in the areas like Lahore and Islamabad?

And this is all because of lack of funds.

They are not bring this money from their own business that they deserve so much credit that you are trying to give.

These things will remain the same even if Imran the savior Khan becomes the PM. This is Pakistani trademark.

 

[Mamoon]

This is getting nasty now.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Have you been to a government hospital ever?

Have you tried to register a f.i.r in Police station?

How many government schools you have been to?

How many cities in Pakistan you have been to?

Do you know how many people don't have accessibility to drinking water even in the areas like Lahore and Islamabad?

And this is all because of lack of funds.

They are not bring this money from their own business that they deserve so much credit that you are trying to give.

Why does it matter? They have taken an initiative and they deserve the credit. Also, these things have been the same since ages.

 

[Vegitto1]

This is getting nasty now.

Sincerely apologise for my post, but I won't let a mentally sick PML-N supporter get away with abusing us like that. He started it and I am in my right to respond to him in kind.

 

[Vegitto1]

oh dear, someone's thrown a fit here.

yet there are rumors flying about Ilzaam Khan fathering yet another illegitimate child.

Really! Mubarak ho, tum Mamoo ban Gaye. Surely ab jaldi PTI ke supporter ban jao gaye.

 

[Mamoon]

Okay I am outta here now.

 

[Rizwan25]

There is more to Punjab than just Lahore.

There is more to PAKISTAN than just Punjab.

What is PMNL doing for Balochistan, Sindh and NWFP?

 

[waqar goraya]

Why does it matter? They have taken an initiative and they deserve the credit. Also, these things have been the same since ages.

It matters because the reason for all these miseries is supposedly lack of funds.

As i said earlier i can't see every one to avail these things but i wish that most of them do. Otherwise these metros are only gimmicks.

 

[Badsha]

Useless to debate against some but I've known plenty of people who are quite high up the ladder and have worked under N-league governments. Projects like these are exactly where the top guys make their money. I can bet anything that this will be another Gold mine for nawaz and co.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

It matters because the reason for all these miseries is supposedly lack of funds.

I know that but why does it matter in this project? We are talking about only this project here.

As i said earlier i can't see every one to avail these things but i wish that most of them do. Otherwise these metros are only gimmicks.

Your wish is absolutely correct and I agree.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

This thread has taken an ugly turn.

 

[AZ]

Really! Mubarak ho, tum Mamoo ban Gaye. Surely ab jaldi PTI ke supporter ban jao gaye.

Indeed, bilkul ussi tareeke se jaise aap banay thay

 

[srh]

will it run on electricity or coal? I hope its electricity.

 

[arsalan660]

There is more to PAKISTAN than just Punjab.

What is PMNL doing for Balochistan, Sindh and NWFP?

Their provincial govt have to do. Cm Punjab will not go and work in sindh or balochistan

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[iRfaN_LA]

I am a PTI supporter. This is a good move by Punjab Government, and guys PLEASE, stop fighting, this project is funded by China. Just show me one development PPP has done in the Karachi's transportation system in the past 6 years. PML-N is corrupt but they are way better than PPP.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

Their provincial govt have to do. Cm Punjab will not go and work in sindh or balochistan

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exactly ! Sindh and Baloch ppl should demand an answer from their provincial gov.

 

[ddss]

He said the project would be completed within the stipulated period and after completion it would be extended to other cities of the province.

After the success of Lahore, both Rawalpindi and Peshawar have started their own Metro Bus projects, I'm assuming it will be the same for the train. Lahore daily ridership is almost hitting 2 lakhs and after 5 years completion of the Orange line it can be well over a million, which is a great number for just two lines. People have the right to be angry, but If you weigh the pros and cons I think this is a good project. Having a cheap and accessible way of transportation is beneficial to a community.

 

[ddss]

will it run on electricity or coal? I hope its electricity.

Not sure, I heard it might be pulled by horses.

Jk, mostly all if not most inner city subways since the 1950s have been running on electricity.

 

[blinding light]

Visiting after 1 year, I could barely recognise Lahore.

The place was bursting with activity. New malls, new restaurants, new markets, new business areas whatnot. The roads were fantastic, we had to visit a govt office for some work, and things were going smoothly - you could see an operational system in place, and I won't lie, it looked like a growing city within a progressive country.

I can only wish and hope the same can be replicated by every other city in the country. Being a stronghold of votes, Punjab has historically enjoyed such developments and such. But it's time for other parties to step up and work the way PMLN has worked for Punjab and Lahore.

I would be the first to trash PMLN for their foreign policy and politics, but where Lahore is concerned, I won't deny, they've done a lot of good work there.

I personally feel Karachi needs this Metro Train more than Lahore. Irrespective, its easier to continue with such developments in Lahore since there are no other parties to aid in, negotiate for this.

 

[Mamoon]

Visiting after 1 year, I could barely recognise Lahore.

The place was bursting with activity. New malls, new restaurants, new markets, new business areas whatnot. The roads were fantastic, we had to visit a govt office for some work, and things were going smoothly - you could see an operational system in place, and I won't lie, it looked like a growing city within a progressive country.

I can only wish and hope the same can be replicated by every other city in the country. Being a stronghold of votes, Punjab has historically enjoyed such developments and such. But it's time for other parties to step up and work the way PMLN has worked for Punjab and Lahore.

I would be the first to trash PMLN for their foreign policy and politics, but where Lahore is concerned, I won't deny, they've done a lot of good work there.

I personally feel Karachi needs this Metro Train more than Lahore. Irrespective, its easier to continue with such developments in Lahore since there are no other parties to aid in, negotiate for this.

Lahore is truly prospering MA these days and is comfortably the best city in the country for many reasons. Its really low to undermine PML-N's brilliant work there.

 

[Mamoon]

Secondly, just because there is poverty and other issues does not mean that you stop developing the infrastructure and other facilities. This isn't showbaazi, its a necessity.

As far as Metro is concerned, at least Karachi, Islamabad/RWP and Peshawar should all have it.

 

[blinding light]

What's more important, atm, is to ensure the transparency of all these projects, as was done with the Metro Bus.

1.3b is a massive amount. Have one built in Karachi, then Lahore, then Peshawar, Isb/Rwp..

But there's a dire need to allay the security concerns plaguing us as well.