For how long will Mohammad Amir continue to get a free pass?

[Savak]

The guy has been living off that England Series in 2010 which mind you was played on one of the greenest wickets in English History and even the coach back then commented in the middle of the series Waqar Younis that in his entire life he had never seen an entire English Season where the wickets completely suited the bowlers.

Even RP Singh has demolished England and looked like a legend in English Bowling Conditions.

Barring that Eng series in 2010, Amir has had nothing to show in his entire career. That spell against India in the Asia Cup T-20 2016 didn't win Pakistan the game, that CT final spell came after we posted 360 runs in the final. The guy has remained impactless in all PSL Tournaments.

For how long will he continue to play game after game, opening the bowling and remain wicket less while the likes of even the mediocre Faheem Ashraf picks up a wicket and Mohd Abbas too picks up a wicket while remaining economical.

Pakistan has got to be fairer to the likes of Junaid Khan, Wahab Riaz, Rahat Ali, Usman Shinwari and co who get benched after 1-2 bad games while Amir continues to play game after game regardless of wickets.

The attitude of "Atleast he keeps things tight" is what has bought us to this state today.

 

[boomboomcheema]

How has Mohammed Amir regressed so badly?

He is not doing justice to his role as the opening bowler of the side. Today a good target was set for him to defend and yet again no breakthrough at the top inspite of getting the new ball.

 

[Sherlock]

I suppose the same amount as Shinwari

Joking aside, he should be nowhere near the side and nor should Yasir Shah. This was a chance to give youngsters a go, but Inzi has been nothing short of a galactic fail as the selector. Awful and poor planning.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Useless overhyped bowler. Now his fans have come up with a new excuse to back him up saying " he has lost the hunger to perform " as if with the hunger he will become the next Malcom Marshall.

A few others fans want him to reservef for bowling friendly conditions in UK, SA and NZ while Wahab, Abbas, Shaheen n co to be employed to do the donkey work on dead wickets in UAE.

 

[aloo paratha]

The only way he'll be dropped for good is if we have a terrible world cup.

 

[Hasan123]

Till he retires.

 

[Rafa]

He was never an ATG potential to begin with, was always hyped beyond his limits now we are seeing his real potential.

 

[Ali_Pakistan]

I have got some serious doubts over whether he will be in the world cup squad or he will be shown the door.

 

[Rafa]

I think a lot of people in the PCB believe that Amir has potential to become an ATG so they will keep backing him till he is able to fulfil his potential.

PCB invested and fought a lot to bring back Amir back into the international fold and still backing him the ordinary bowler for some reason.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Hes done and dusted unless he magically rediscover his old self. We have plenty of options though so don't need to worry

 

[Saj]

A few numbers.

Last 12 ODIs:

Overs 87
Maidens 8
Runs conceded 388
Wickets 3
Average 129.33

 

[Savak]

I think a lot of people in the PCB believe that Amir has potential to become an ATG so they will keep backing him till he is able to fulfil his potential.

PCB invested and fought a lot to bring back Amir back into the international fold and still backing him the ordinary bowler for some reason.

At some point in time, the PCB will have to cut their losses. Its one thing making a bad investment, it is even more foolishness to continue to throw money in an empty pit. Admit you made a mistake and move on. Pakistan needs wickets up front which he cannot appear to do even if his life depends on it.

 

[Savak]

A few numbers.

Last 12 ODIs:

Overs 87
Maidens 8
Runs conceded 388
Wickets 3
Average 129.33

I can bet my bottom dollar that even M Asif if you bring him back now at the age of 36 can have better stats than this. There is no way Amir should be in the squad ahead of the other bowlers.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

A few numbers.

Last 12 ODIs:

Overs 87
Maidens 8
Runs conceded 388
Wickets 3
Average 129.33

You forget to include the glorious economy rate of him

 

[Tiger96]

He will be back to his best when Pakistan batters set up a target of 350+ . Watch him turn into an unplayable bowler then. All these low targets of 280+ or Asia Cup targets against India just don't interest him that match.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

His mindset has changed since return. Its way too defensive. His mentality is to contain and just do enough to stay in the team. No venom, no aggression, lack of pace & swing and pitching the ball short.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

I think he's suffering from depression and he is hiding it, nothing seems to excite him any more to go full throttle. Its not that he can't do it but he purposely holding it back. Today the ball was swinging for couple of overs yet he was bowling 130-135 where he could have crank up it to 145k and make life difficult for aus openers

 

[The_Odd_One]

He is "unlucky" and not suitable for bowling in the UAE.

 

[a_tahir]

His mindset has changed since return. Its way too defensive. His mentality is to contain and just do enough to stay in the team. No venom, no aggression, lack of pace & swing and pitching the ball short.

I think he's realised he's not a proper bowler anymore. He's knows he's living on life support.
He should just go and play t20 leagues. He'd make money and actually be good. Learn from ingram.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I think he's suffering from depression and he is hiding it, nothing seems to excite him any more to go full throttle. Its not that he can't do it but he purposely holding it back. Today the ball was swinging for couple of overs yet he was bowling 130-135 where he could have crank up it to 145k and make life difficult for aus openers

I think so too.

 

[Madplayer]

Useless overhyped bowler. Now his fans have come up with a new excuse to back him up saying " he has lost the hunger to perform " as if with the hunger he will become the next Malcom Marshall.

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Amir is not doing himself any favours and with the likes of Hasnain coming into the side the future looks bleak for him.

 

[badsha001]

A few numbers.

Last 12 ODIs:

Overs 87
Maidens 8
Runs conceded 388
Wickets 3
Average 129.33

That's 4.46 runs per over...I would gladly take that in ODI as a support bowler than any other wicket taking and run leaking clown.

 

[UP]

Horrible bowler. Needs to be dropped asap.

 

[aloo paratha]

That's 4.46 runs per over...I would gladly take that in ODI as a support bowler than any other wicket taking and run leaking clown.

His economy has only been good against Zimbabwe. Against proper sides, his economy wasn't anything special either.

 

[Hitman]

Once you realize the horse is dead, you need to stop flogging it. Would the PCB have given him a second chance the moment his ban was over if they could foresee his performances since then?

 

[leatherface58]

That's 4.46 runs per over...I would gladly take that in ODI as a support bowler than any other wicket taking and run leaking clown.

I would take wicket taking expensive bowler over this defensive trash and he is not even economical anymore as Finch and SOS smashed him with ease.

 

[Savak]

Once you realize the horse is dead, you need to stop flogging it. Would the PCB have given him a second chance the moment his ban was over if they could foresee his performances since then?

Lol, not a chance, they would in fact have argued for a life ban.

 

[Hitman]

Lol, not a chance, they would in fact have argued for a life ban.

Inzi should just drop him like a sack of potatoes.

 

[Snowflake]

Till the end of WC.

 

[waleed88]

He is "unlucky" and not suitable for bowling in the UAE.

Or he always was a trash bowler in Asian conditions but it was masked by the hype from his spells in English and Australian series. And we bought into the hype

 

[ar2020]

People were saying Amir would have a better career than Akhtar LOL.

 

[a_tahir]

That's 4.46 runs per over...I would gladly take that in ODI as a support bowler than any other wicket taking and run leaking clown.

U confusing the australian tactics with amir being economical.

They chose not to attack him at the start because it wasn't required. I can guarantee that if the total was above 310. Amir would have been smacked for 80+.

Remember what happened to him in the asia cup

 

[a_tahir]

U confusing the australian tactics with amir being economical.

They chose not to attack him at the start because it wasn't required. I can guarantee that if the total was above 310. Amir would have been smacked for 80+.

Remember what happened to him in the asia cup

You're*

 

[BaankeJi]

Amir bowls as per occasion. This series is meaningless.

He needs occasions like world cup or CT with best batsmen in opposition. He can bowl well against Virat Kohli. But not against Amla.

 

[a_tahir]

Amir bowls as per occasion. This series is meaningless.

He needs occasions like world cup or CT with best batsmen in opposition. He can bowl well against Virat Kohli. But not against Amla.

I've seen so many of these type of comments that i can't even tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir's worrying form in ODIs - last 12 matches:<br><br>Overs 87<br>Runs conceded 388<br>Wickets 3<br>Average 129.33<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1109166423119667200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Sadozai]

believe or not, It's his last series unless some miracle happens.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Or he always was a trash bowler in Asian conditions but it was masked by the hype from his spells in English and Australian series. And we bought into the hype

I think he is trash in all conditions.

 

[hadi123]

He's awful in ODI's, he's ok in Tests and T20I's

 

[OmaIR1]

Isn't the world cup in England?

Isn't that enough reason to persist with him or at least keep him in the team?

 

[Abdullah]

He's working his way out of the team, but will still be in the squad.
Maybe that is what will forward him up for the latter half of the world cup!

 

[Abdullah]

I'd still keep him in the squad, better bowler than shinwari and Junaid

 

[a_tahir]

I'd still keep him in the squad, better bowler than shinwari and Junaid

Keep him in the squad but don't let him get into the top 11.

 

[a_tahir]

Isn't the world cup in England?

Isn't that enough reason to persist with him or at least keep him in the team?

He has an average of 38 in England.

 

[Saj]

That's 4.46 runs per over...I would gladly take that in ODI as a support bowler than any other wicket taking and run leaking clown.

His job should not be to contain.

I'd rather he went for a few more runs but be ensure that he took more wickets.

 

[Bilal7]

He's a match-winner when the ball seams or swings. However, I would rest him for the next two matches of the current ODI series. Just not the same bowler on dead tracks.

 

[Finisher]

Should have been rested from the first 3 games.
His mother has just passed away he needed a break.
If he has a bad world cup then he will get dropped

 

[Wahid1234]

This guy is finished we need to discard him for good. Totally lost his pace and swag which made him lethal. Bring in haris Rauf

 

[Abdul]

Seems like people are finally starting to see the light

 

[coy0607]

he's not getting a free pass. He has been dropped from the team in the past year, only came back because he did well domestically

and he is certainly not a lock for the WC. If he was, he would have been rested from the Aus series.

he is competing with Abbas, Shinwari, Husnain and Junaid for the last 2 spots .. based on current form, I am sure someone will out perform him

 

[Usman Chadda]

Lol Amir is getting this series to prove his form/fitness. He won't be selected for the World Cup, if he doesn't do well.

Mickey is playing this right. PPers will be left frustrated with the lack of results in this series, but he is making sure whoever doesn't make the trip to England doesn't have ANYTHING to whine about.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Lol Amir is getting this series to prove his form/fitness. He won't be selected for the World Cup, if he doesn't do well.

Mickey is playing this right. PPers will be left frustrated with the lack of results in this series, but he is making sure whoever doesn't make the trip to England doesn't have ANYTHING to whine about.

Amir is in the team for the World Cup.

You would have to be delusional to think that Mickey will drop Amir after the last Champions Trophy final 17.

It would lead to major lash back everywhere.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Amir is in the team for the World Cup.

You would have to be delusional to think that Mickey will drop Amir after the last Champions Trophy final 17.

It would lead to major lash back everywhere.

Even if he does, he won't play all the matches. Playing Amir continuously in this form will lead to major backlash.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It seems some fans are missing Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If amir is dropped pakistan will crash out of the group stage.
Amir is ineffective in UAE but he will surely perform well in england,the advantage of having amir is that he seldom gets hit and his bowling figures are like 45-1 and on his day he can dismantle any batting order.
On the other hand Usman khan shinwari is very expensive and gets carted more often than not,add to that amir's lower order hitting,he is a much better player than shinwari or junaid etc etc.

 

[Usman Chadda]

If amir is dropped pakistan will crash out of the group stage.
Amir is ineffective in UAE but he will surely perform well in england,the advantage of having amir is that he seldom gets hit and his bowling figures are like 45-1 and on his day he can dismantle any batting order.
On the other hand Usman khan shinwari is very expensive and gets carted more often than not,add to that amir's lower order hitting,he is a much better player than shinwari or junaid etc etc.

Shenwari is not making the squad. That much is for certain.

 

[shaz619]

What a waste of investment, Asif would have done much better then him if given the same oppourtunity. A fish never forgets how to swim

 

[a_tahir]

he's not getting a free pass. He has been dropped from the team in the past year, only came back because he did well domestically

and he is certainly not a lock for the WC. If he was, he would have been rested from the Aus series.

he is competing with Abbas, Shinwari, Husnain and Junaid for the last 2 spots .. based on current form, I am sure someone will out perform him

What well domestically??
That was just a cover up. They made it seem like amir was doing good and got him back into the test side. He's always been decent in test cricket and then using that to bring him back into the odis. It's just games they're playing. He was always going to comeback.

 

[a_tahir]

If amir is dropped pakistan will crash out of the group stage.
Amir is ineffective in UAE but he will surely perform well in england,the advantage of having amir is that he seldom gets hit and his bowling figures are like 45-1 and on his day he can dismantle any batting order.
On the other hand Usman khan shinwari is very expensive and gets carted more often than not,add to that amir's lower order hitting,he is a much better player than shinwari or junaid etc etc.

The difference is that in 2017 he actually wanted to get wickets now he's way too defensive. His speed was consistently 140kmph in 2017, now it barely touches 135. He swung it in 2017 now he can't even do that.
There's a clear difference. He's getting get smacked in the wc. Likely in the first match vs wi.

 

[Hawkeye]

If amir is dropped pakistan will crash out of the group stage.
Amir is ineffective in UAE but he will surely perform well in england,the advantage of having amir is that he seldom gets hit and his bowling figures are like 45-1 and on his day he can dismantle any batting order.
On the other hand Usman khan shinwari is very expensive and gets carted more often than not,add to that amir's lower order hitting,he is a much better player than shinwari or junaid etc etc.

Yes, you're right.

But, this thread's starter is a known anti-Amir guy and has a tendency of creating Amir-hate threads every other week.

So, chill and let the World Cup come - he's our main asset.

Don't pay much attention to this thread. [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] is also a huge Shinwari fan, so that should tell you something.

 

[Slim]

Shenwari is not making the squad. That much is for certain.

Expect the worst from the CS and management - they will love to drop Junaid Khan for Shinwari.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Because he is the guy who will win Pakistan its first world cup match vs India. This is why he is being kept. To take the Indian top order apart at the grandest stage of them all - WRESTLEMANIA!!!

No i meant cricket world cup. Got carried away with that dialogue.

 

[Kroll]

The new excuse is that Amir is depressed. I don't want make light of someone's mental well being, but if that's the case, then he should be on sick leave.

 

[unemployedgm]

Mohammad Amir's continued inclusion is a product of building a team on perception rather than reality. It is the reason why Fakhar Zaman, Mohammad Hafeez, and Shoaib Malik continue to be selected.

 

[a_tahir]

Mohammad Amir's continued inclusion is a product of building a team on perception rather than reality. It is the reason why Fakhar Zaman, Mohammad Hafeez, and Shoaib Malik continue to be selected.

Fakhar is 8th in odi ranking. Amir is 32nd.

 

[Muhammad10]

Yes, you're right.

But, this thread's starter is a known anti-Amir guy and has a tendency of creating Amir-hate threads every other week.

So, chill and let the World Cup come - he's our main asset.

Don't pay much attention to this thread. [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] is also a huge Shinwari fan, so that should tell you something.

Instead of playing the hater card, why don't you share your thoughts on Amir's average of 129 in his last 12 ODIs (keep in mind that he gets the luxury of taking the new ball)?

 

[Syed1]

Yeah numbers don't look good but I'll still have him in the squad over garbage Shinwari any day of the week.

 

[pakistani pride]

Because he is the guy who will win Pakistan its first world cup match vs India. This is why he is being kept. To take the Indian top order apart at the grandest stage of them all - WRESTLEMANIA!!!

No i meant cricket world cup. Got carried away with that dialogue.

How do you explain that to posters who care so much about JAMODIS?

Amir is our trump card and I still back him to come good in the UK.

Give him the WC.

 

[BakuGM]

Is Amir going the way of Irfan Pathan? Amir seems to have lost pace and swing ala Irfan... I would still take him to WC and see in the practice matches if he shows he still has it in him to be our lead bowler.

 

[Savak]

Shinwari every day of the week over the over rated Heartless Amir. Atleast Shinwari races in and gives 100% every delivery

 

[Usman Chadda]

Shinwari every day of the week over the over rated Heartless Amir. Atleast Shinwari races in and gives 100% every delivery

No way. Shinwari can lose you a match with his wayward bowling. He has no upside. There's no point of running in and getting smacked senseless.

 

[Savak]

No way. Shinwari can lose you a match with his wayward bowling. He has no upside. There's no point of running in and getting smacked senseless.

Shinwari's upside is quick 3-4 wicket burts when he gets a wicket. Yes in his bad days he can go for plenty but Amir does not deserve a spot in the team on any basis.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Instead of playing the hater card, why don't you share your thoughts on Amir's average of 129 in his last 12 ODIs (keep in mind that he gets the luxury of taking the new ball)?

He can't answer that.

Most people can only comment when Amir performs once after every 15 games to say I told you so.

The rest of the 14 days, they are waiting for the 15th day.

 

[Xoib]

Amir on his form should miss the World Cup my World Cup attack will be Hassan Shaheen hasnain junaid Faheem

 

[Abdul Moiz]

As long as he is in the good books of Mickey & Co.

 

[Hawkeye]

Instead of playing the hater card, why don't you share your thoughts on Amir's average of 129 in his last 12 ODIs (keep in mind that he gets the luxury of taking the new ball)?

He can't answer that.

Most people can only comment when Amir performs once after every 15 games to say I told you so.

The rest of the 14 days, they are waiting for the 15th day.

Was our best bowler most recently on the SA tour.

And, will be our best bowler in the World Cup too, just like the CT.

Temporary blip in stats doesn't mean anything. That too for meaningless JAMODIs. Class is permanent.

 

[Hawkeye]

Shinwari every day of the week over the over rated Heartless Amir. Atleast Shinwari races in and gives 100% every delivery

So, my fellow PPers, this is what the thread is about.

Now y'all can chill and see what the OP really wanted.

An out of form Amir is still 100x better than a brainless, skill-less Shinwari.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Was our best bowler most recently on the SA tour.

And, will be our best bowler in the World Cup too, just like the CT.

Temporary blip in stats doesn't mean anything. That too for meaningless JAMODIs. Class is permanent.

I think you are quite confused.

Would you be willing to put up with a careless surgeon who performs routine surgeries with minimal interest and causes infections right, left and centre, but suddenly manages to perform a life saving surgery after 15 botched attempts?

And if yes, how long before your patience runs thin with such a surgeon?

I don't deny Amir performs magnificently when Pakistan has 360 runs to defend or when the ball is swinging banana crazy, but then those days are few and far between.

That is not to say Shinwari is the answer.

But you have to look above the crooked spectacles and sometimes look beyond a match or two, to see what is happening with Pakistan's premier bowler in most games.

 

[Kroll]

And, will be our best bowler in the World Cup too, just like the CT.

Eh? Hasan was our best bowler by a country mile in the CT, next best was Junaid.

 

[NauV]

I have said it before as well . .

Fast bowlers need to be in the following categories to be successful:
1. Speed only (92/93 mph and above on average)
2. Speed and swing combined (bowlers 85 mph and above on average)
3. Swing and Seam (83 to 87 mph on average)
4. Seam only (78 to 82 mph) - but you gotta be really good at Seam like Vernon, Asif, etc.

Amir used to be in Category 2 back in the day hence making him good. If anyone heard Steyn's interview recently, it says a lot! He said . . I had to come back playing and bolwing at 90 mph and swing the ball . . otherwise I may as well have retired!! This is the greatest fast bowler of his era saying after major shoulder injuries!!!!! In simpler words. . he is saying, just swinging the bowl (which comes naturally to him) at slower speeds would make him of NO USE!!

The following categories of fast bowlers will remain mediocre AT BEST!

1. 85 mph and below with no swing
2. 80 to 83 mph with some swing

Amir is in the above 2 categories today! Hence, no chance of being successful . . I can bet my bottom dollar on it!!

He needs to be told the following bluntly:

1. He has no space in the team with his current style of bowling (even generally he just seems . . the urdu word is . . DHEELA . . loose! without any fire . . or desire or ambition . . )
2. He can come back to the team if he does the following:
a. Gets back swinging the ball consistently at an average speed of above 85 mph
b. When he can't swing the ball or the ball isn't swinging due to conditions, get his average speed up to 90 mph

Otherwise . . move on! Too bad . . .

This whole notion of I am a wiser bowler . . I don't need to bowl fast . . I have skills . . etc. etc. etc . . is all plain and simple **!

P.S. I have been one of Amir's greatest supporters!